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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 23/10/2007 18:55:53
Ishkur: 25mbit, 25m¦, same bonus (50m¦ at lvl 5 compared to 40m¦ now) Vexor: 75mbit, 100m¦ Myr: 75 mbit, 150m¦ Eos: 75 mbit, 150m¦ and as dronebay bonus +15m¦/lvl (275m¦ at lvl 5 compared to 300m¦ at lvl5 now)
Arbi: 50mbit, 150m¦ Curse: 50mbit, 150m¦ Pilg: 50mbit, 150m¦
Ishtar unchanged, dominix unchanged
25mbit = being able to control drones with a total volume of 25m¦, meaning 5 lights or 1 heavy, for example.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:49:00 -
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Nice.
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Deathnail
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:49:00 -
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Aramendel is sexeh.
Cannot login atm. Any bay upgrade for Sean's Vagabond?
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Frothgar
Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:50:00 -
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Very nice.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel Edited by: Aramendel on 23/10/2007 18:50:56
Ishkur: 25mbit, 25m¦, same bonus (50m¦ at lvl 5 compared to 40m¦ now) Vexor: 75mbit, 100m¦ Myr: 75 mbit, 150m¦ Eos: 75 mbit, 150m¦ and as dronebay bonus +15m¦/lvl (275m¦ at lvl 5 compared to 300m¦ at lvl5 now)
Curse: 50mbit, 150m¦ Pilg: 50mbit, 150m¦
Ishtar unchanged, dominix unchanged
25mbit = being able to control drones with a total volume of 25m¦, meaning 5 lights or 1 heavy, for example.
Unneeded nerf on the Myrmidon and Eos tbh. Bandwidth on both should be at least 100 (but probably not 125).
Liang
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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:57:00 -
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The only ship were the nerf was *maybe* unneeded is the pilgrim.
I kinda expected the myr at 50mbit instead 75mbit.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:16:00 -
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So Myrm and Eos are limited to deploying 3 heavies, or 2 heavies 2 meds and light. Sounds reasonable enough.
I was kinda hoping that there would be more variations in the bandwidths of different drones - so there might be slight differences between the bandwidths of T1 and T2 drones, combat and ewar and logistic drones, etc., though.
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Edriahn
Gallente Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:17:00 -
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It's a little strange that a cruiser and a BC have similar bandwith. 125 is absolutely too much with that bigger drone bay, but 100mbit will work just fine. And if the Vexor gets 75/100, than what about Navy Vexor? It should get at least 75/125 and that means I can carry heavys with it, sounds scary, brrr. And I love that ship.
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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:18:00 -
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Navy vexor has 100mbit and 100m¦
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Razin on 23/10/2007 19:22:22
Originally by: Aramendel
I kinda expected the myr at 50mbit instead 75mbit.
So it's DPS would be on par with a Gal tier 2 cruiser. Idiot much? ...
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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Razin So it's DPS would be on par with a Gal tier 2 cruiser. Idiot much?
Vexor = 5 effective guns Myr = 6 effective guns
Moron much?
And nevermind that the vexor has like..no? tank with 4 hightier guns. The myr can fit 6 guns and a monster tank. It is a tank focussed ship. Try reading its description sometimes.
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Amuko
Amarr Happy Little Roid Huggers
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Amuko on 23/10/2007 19:24:48 Don't like it on the Eos, it doesn't even have a damage bonus .
And yes I know the Eos could do loads of damage, so change something else instead, like guns, but make it a real droneboat.
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Jerat
Gallente Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:25:00 -
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Ishkur is being nerfed. Now I can use 3 medium and 2 Light drones (with AF lv5) after the nerf I will only be able to use 5 light drones :( (or 2 medium and 1 light)
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Staggerr
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jerat Gallente is being nerfed.
fixed
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Jerat
Gallente Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Staggerr
Originally by: Jerat Gallente is being nerfed.
fixed
:) True. Were only pointing out Ishkur also as the rest were already pointing at Myrm, eos
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Edriahn
Gallente Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel Vexor = 5 effective guns Myr = 6 effective guns
Moron much?
And nevermind that the vexor has like..no? tank with 4 hightier guns. The myr can fit 6 guns and a monster tank. It is a tank focussed ship. Try reading its description sometimes.
But it's drone carrier after all. there should be some difference between drone cruiser and drone BC. Brutix has more blasters than thorax, so the myrm should have more drones than Vexor. It's higher class after all.
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Kunming
The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:39:00 -
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Oh man, so glad I'm a blaster-ho...
Gallente drone users are going to get upset by the nerf on the: Ishkur (why?!) Myrmidon (100mbit should have been the mark, seriously gimped now as the ship has no gun bonus like the vexor) Eos (same as myr, eos was powerful but pretty balanced, shoot the drones then close in for the kill)
Arbi, curse, pilgrim... I never used heavies with these anyway, more like 5 HH/Valkies with 5 EC/EV-300s, thx for the extra drone bay now amarr cruisers have batter dronebays than gallente cruisers YAY!
Note: I got a question though, will ships still be limited to control only 5 drones?
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:44:00 -
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They nerfed the arbi, curse, and pilgrim? ******* again?
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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Edriahn But it's drone carrier after all. there should be some difference between drone cruiser and drone BC. Brutix has more blasters than thorax, so the myrm should have more drones than Vexor. It's higher class after all.
There is a difference - it can carry more replacements. It has a bigger total dronebay.
The myrmidon goes more the role of having a superior tank (2 more lows + tanking bonus + more grid to fit said tank after guns) than the vexor.
The throax and brutix have the same amount of low slots.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:47:00 -
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Only thing I'll like about this is having more spare drones for my Curse.
Why does the Vexor have more drone bandwidth than the Arby?
I think 100m3 bandwidth would've been fine for the Myrm & Eos. Also 75m3 for the Pilgrim doesn't help an already broken ship, unless they plan on giving it the much needed nos/neut range bonus.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong They nerfed the arbi, curse, and pilgrim? ******* again?
Only if you used 3x heavy. But for most pilots (who used 5x med 5x small) its major boost. Now you can have 2 spare sets of each drone type, so IMO thats nice.
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Rulkez
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:49:00 -
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another win for the forum whine army
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Razin So it's DPS would be on par with a Gal tier 2 cruiser. Idiot much?
Vexor = 5 effective guns Myr = 6 effective guns
Moron much?
And nevermind that the vexor has like..no? tank with 4 hightier guns. The myr can fit 6 guns and a monster tank. It is a tank focussed ship. Try reading its description sometimes.
Do try and pay attention: watch the difference between 50mbit (your suggestion for the myrm) and Vexor's 75mbit bonused drone bandwidth.
The rest of your 'analysis' is too inane to reply to.
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:51:00 -
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I always loved the idea of drones since beta and having favored those ship types since those days, I have to say I do welcome this kind of change. Not a whole lot of ships changed really. The amarr ones seem about the same. I usually only see them using 5 mediums now and now they can have several replacements which is good.
The significant changes affect the gallente drone ships. To those who ***** about Gallente being too strong, this will help shut them up. I'm sure drone ship pilots will hate it simply because their ships will no longer do damage equivalent to a ship class that is one class above it, which is the part I always thought was stupid, to be honest. The Ishkur took a bit of a hit but at top level, you are able to have 3 mediums and 2 lights. That can be an awful lot of damage coming from just a frigate. Now you get pushed more towards the light drones but then you also have a full compliment of replacements. Yes the Myrmidon and Eos took the largest hit, but for something not quite a BS, should they be doing the same damage as a Dominix? I don't factor in guns since nearly all Dominix pilots I have known never or rarely use them. If you want to compare the Eos or Myrmidon's performance, measure them in comparison to another ship of its class or another drone ship, not based on what they are now and what they are going to have. With the new change, a navy vexor may be able to put out one more heavy drone than a myrmidon but who would you bet on in a fight? My money goes on the Myrmidon for its much higher armor, higher grid for better fittings and better tanking bonus.
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Vajak
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming
Ishkur (why?!) Why what ? Ishkur is actually getting to use MORE drones.
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Jasai Kameron
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:56:00 -
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Eos and Myrmidon nerfs I can live with. I was really hoping for 80m3 on the Myrmidon, because fielding a light feels wimpy, but I suppose 75m3 makes more sense.
Ishkur? Wtf? Why? You're limiting it to 5 lights! That's the equivalent of giving the Vexor and Myrmidon 50 bandwidth. It's completely unfair. Out of all proportion and generally idiotic. Should be 35m3, at the very least. Not that I ever fly the ship, but it's the principle really.
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ThunderGodThor
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:57:00 -
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I saw that wtf Ishkur nerf. No one has been asking for that. In genral All the AS need to be buffed not further nerfed. Never have flown the eos so i dont really have an oppion on that.
But the myrmidon nerf seems a bit much. Its a drone ship with no bounes to guns so it should be able to field 4 hvys. Tho personally it think we should leave the drones alone and either take off a few turrets. The other and i think better way is to nerf the PG. By doing that it places it in the same position as the domi. You can have enough grid to tank well or put guns on and gank. But meh what can i say ccp loves that nerf bat.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mourn Navarre ...Yes the Myrmidon and Eos took the largest hit, but for something not quite a BS, should they be doing the same damage as a Dominix? I don't factor in guns since nearly all Dominix pilots I have known never or rarely use them...
Another genius philosophizer! ...
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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Razin Do try and pay attention: watch the difference between 50mbit (your suggestion for the myrm) and Vexor's 75mbit bonused drone bandwidth.
And what made you think I would give the vexor 50m¦ then as well?
Quote: The rest of your 'analysis' is too inane to reply to.
*yawn*
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Pointless Vengence
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming Oh man, so glad I'm a blaster-ho...
... Myrmidon (100mbit should have been the mark, seriously gimped now as the ship has no gun bonus like the vexor) Eos (same as myr, eos was powerful but pretty balanced, shoot the drones then close in for the kill)
I totally agree with you on both points:
On the Myrmidon, it is a T1 Battlecruiser with a Drone Damage bonus. Let it's stats fall somewhere between that of a Vexor and Dominix which would let it field 5 mediums with a damage bonus, or 4 heavies with a damage bonus.
As for the Eos, it was good the way it was. It is, afterall, a T2 Battlecruiser drone ship with no damage bonus. If it had a damage bonus (like the Myrmidon) then it would be overpowered. It should be able to field 5 heavies. The current changes would make the Eos's label of being a T2 Droneship kind of . . .
-Pointless
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Jasai Kameron
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Pointless Vengence Let it's stats fall somewhere between that of a Vexor and Dominix which would let it field 5 mediums with a damage bonus, or 4 heavies with a damage bonus.
It is falling between the two of those. Now it can fit 2 x heavy, 2 x Medium, 2 x light, with damage bonus, with replacements. I think it is just about fair.
The nerf to the Eos (wasted bonuses) and to the Ishkur are completely out of line though. No one in their right mind will fly either ship after this.
Nice work, CCP.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:21:00 -
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The Ishkur (of all ships) gets kicked in the balls.
The Eos, it gets emasculated (it's balls cut off, for those of you who don't have a vocabulary) with not only a HUGE drone nerf, but also loses TWO Turrets. Are you kidding me? Meanwhile, no tanking increase. Brilliant.
Myrmidon: another pointless change to another pointless ship.
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jasai Kameron
Originally by: Pointless Vengence Let it's stats fall somewhere between that of a Vexor and Dominix which would let it field 5 mediums with a damage bonus, or 4 heavies with a damage bonus.
It is falling between the two of those. Now it can fit 2 x heavy, 2 x Medium, 2 x light, with damage bonus, with replacements. I think it is just about fair.
The nerf to the Eos (wasted bonuses) and to the Ishkur are completely out of line though. No one in their right mind will fly either ship after this.
Nice work, CCP.
I would. It is a command ship with gang bonuses for ewar, not a combat ship like an Astarte.
I also never used mediums on an Ishkur either. They are frankly too easy to kill as they have no ship HP bonus and using them eliminates the ability to have replacements, which severly weakens you. I prefered lights since they are faster and can be harder to kill based on that. When up against an Ishkur with medium drones, I kill the drones first. Then it just becomes pathetic. Alot like the way a Myrmidon is now.
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:42:00 -
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Crazy idea. Just occurred to me. For all those who hate the Eos change, fly an Ishtar instead.
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TimMc
Skiddies of Doom
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:43:00 -
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Ouch... a third of my SP is in drones and I wub the myrmidon...
Is anyone actually going to use 2 H, 2 M and 1 L? Works fine for PvP where your on top anyway, but for PvE I think the speed differences will be so much that full sets of mediums would be better.
Drones really need Mid or High slot damage bonus modules... especially now
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Ouch... a third of my SP is in drones and I wub the myrmidon...
Is anyone actually going to use 2 H, 2 M and 1 L? Works fine for PvP where your on top anyway, but for PvE I think the speed differences will be so much that full sets of mediums would be better.
Drones really need Mid or High slot damage bonus modules... especially now
I had started to mix up the drone types so I could carry spares after a duel I had with a drake pilot friend of mine. We were both highly skilled skillpoint wise for both ships. To beat me, he targetted my drones with precision heavies and killed them really fast before I could scoop them. Then I had no replacements so I lost. I was only just able to dent his armor.
Using this old system, the myrmidon basically fell into category where it was just going to be a cheaper dominix and have the same firepower if they gave it more drone bay.
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Sandzibarr
A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:15:00 -
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Hmmm.. id like a Myrmidon hull based Field command ship now please..
old man Darieux must be spinning in his grave.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:18:00 -
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Guess i wont be flying arbitrators as much anymore :-(
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Farscape Hw
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:30:00 -
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OMG this game is sucking bad enough already, oh yay, they nerf my chars to ****... what am i suposed to do with 2 galente specced chars with 5m sp each in drones now? holy **** i ******* hate ccp...
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Farscape Hw OMG this game is sucking bad enough already, oh yay, they nerf my chars to ****... what am i suposed to do with 2 galente specced chars with 5m sp each in drones now? holy **** i ******* hate ccp...
Fly an Ishtar?
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shinsushi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Farscape Hw OMG this game is sucking bad enough already, oh yay, they nerf my chars to ****... what am i suposed to do with 2 galente specced chars with 5m sp each in drones now? holy **** i ******* hate ccp...
Welcome to how amarrian laser-boat pilots have been feeling for the last 2 years.
Anyway, Drones will still be very usefull. Throw 2-3 damps on a ship, release your drones, scoop them in 1 minute then rinse and repeat. Instead of actually waiting for drones to become damaged, scoop them preemptively.
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:50:00 -
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CCP seems to be starting a tradition of over-nerfing things.
Sure, knock the Myrm down. But when the Vexor has as much drone control? I think the Vexor should've gone with 50 m^3 bandwidth and the Myrmidon 80 m^3. This would've given the Vexor the standard 5 mediums, and the Myrmidon would've gotten 2 heavies 3 mediums, still better than pre-nerf Vexors.
The Ishkur nerf was also a mistake, on one of the ships where AFs V shined, suddenly there's NO POINT in training the assault ships skill at all. Optimum range is kinda useless on a close-range boat, and training it just to carry spares around? Meh.
The Eos I don't know enough to comment about.
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Farscape Hw
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Farscape Hw OMG this game is sucking bad enough already, oh yay, they nerf my chars to ****... what am i suposed to do with 2 galente specced chars with 5m sp each in drones now? holy **** i ******* hate ccp...
Fly an Ishtar?
yes, but eos is sooooo much funner to fly, so is the myrmidon. ffs myrm is a drone specific ship, WHY oh God WHY remove the ability to use 5 heavy drones?
and why is it not enough to nerf the drone usage of these 2 ships but also remove some of thier turrets???????? this is a perfect example of how ccp overnerf things without thinking carefully about it.
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Mark Lucius
Forbidden Lore
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow Guess i wont be flying arbitrators as much anymore :-(
Why not? You can still use 5 mediums and you get room enough for spares/different types. I see this as an upgrade, even without the ability to use heavies. ---
Originally by: Malachon Draco
If you eat your veggies, maybe one day you'll grow up and be a real big alt poster like Johnny ReeRee or Alice C.
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Amuko
Amarr Happy Little Roid Huggers
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Farscape Hw
Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Farscape Hw OMG this game is sucking bad enough already, oh yay, they nerf my chars to ****... what am i suposed to do with 2 galente specced chars with 5m sp each in drones now? holy **** i ******* hate ccp...
Fly an Ishtar?
yes, but eos is sooooo much funner to fly, so is the myrmidon. ffs myrm is a drone specific ship, WHY oh God WHY remove the ability to use 5 heavy drones?
and why is it not enough to nerf the drone usage of these 2 ships but also remove some of thier turrets???????? this is a perfect example of how ccp overnerf things without thinking carefully about it.
I agree that some of the nerfs are a bit too much, especially the Eos one. But man, no offense meant, but why would you train two chars for one race?
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Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow Guess i wont be flying arbitrators as much anymore :-(
Seems like a boost TBH. 3 loads of meds, or 2 meds and 2 lights. -
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Jack Jombardo
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:15:00 -
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does any of you realize that there are new drones coming with more damage as the T2 now?
maybe CCP "adjusted" some ships becouse they would become to heavy with this new drones and the old mbit?
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Sandzibarr
A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Sandzibarr on 23/10/2007 22:25:13 same damage amounts.. just split.. so the new ogres do kinetic and thermal, and not just thermal. the rest of their stats are pretty much the same.. just a bit more HP and speed IIRC.
they should really remove all the drones from the Eos anyway. Change it from Creodron to Duvolle or something.. it needs rails more than its drones for its role fleet support role. And then introduce a new tier2 Field Command based on the Myrmidon.
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Katrina Coreli
toxicology
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:23:00 -
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I cant get on SiSi atm to check but does anyone know about the gallente blaster boats bandwidth? i.e can the rax still use 5 meds, like wise the brutix and does the mega keep its tasty 5 heavys :)
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:30:00 -
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Wow... Now I know how the Amarr feel.. It kinda sucks.
What I don't understand is how the Ishtar didn't get changed. Of all the droneboats it's the most broken. Drop drones, engage target, nanophagtar go!go!go!.. Amazing.. Guess I'll be skilling up for phagtar then. Oh yay.
Taxman IV: Rogue Agent
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:35:00 -
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meh was expecting this change. specially considering that I only use like med drones on the myrm and light drones on the ishkur, this change won't hurt me a bit. ---
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TimMc
Skiddies of Doom
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: TimMc on 23/10/2007 22:36:40
Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Farscape Hw OMG this game is sucking bad enough already, oh yay, they nerf my chars to ****... what am i suposed to do with 2 galente specced chars with 5m sp each in drones now? holy **** i ******* hate ccp...
Fly an Ishtar?
Only 6 weeks of training for my to move from my Myrmidon to an Ishtar, so I might.
Wait a minute...
Why can an ishtar use 5 Heavy Drones, dealing damage "near to a battleship", and the Myrmidon cannot? This mates no sense. The Brutix can outproform the Deimos for less isk and same SP amount, so why can the Myrmidon no longer compete with the HAC now?
EDIT: Just thought I would make the point, I would rather loose all my turrets hardpoints on my myrmidon than lose my ability to use 5 ogre IIs. I fit T1 crap guns in there and nos/neuts anyway.
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Acinonyx Jubatus
Minmatar Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:43:00 -
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Wow...some of the reactions here are somewhat sad tbh...
Eos and myrm, I can understand (didn't realize the turret reduction ont he eos) but those are the only two hit the hardest.
honestly, sit and think about it before spouting off complaints.
Vexor is pretty much the exact same, only has some extra space for spares. Abritrator/Curse/ Pilgrim are slgihtly different, that's only if you threw a heavy drone out int eh first place, but oh noes a heavy drone or two, I would so toss 2 heavy drones away for a chance to have SIX waves of lights, or 3 waves of mediums, or a mix of the two, 2 med/2 lights.
And Ishkur? It's not that bad of a reduction/change, honestly I never ran mediums in it(yes I have AF 5 so hush) because I felt I'd wind up getting gang warped off or something and being left without drones period, unless I packed 8 lights, and honestly losing 5 of the 8 only leaves 3 "whee, I'm a multimillion isk imicus!!!" AF5 is still worth it in a sense, 2 waves of 5 lights, now you can have 5 hobgoblins for dps and 5 warriors for chasing fast ships, no sacrificing one another.
You also have to consider these new waves of drones are also allowing the abandon drone option, which yeah I can't totally think of a good example, but I'm sure it'll come in the future.
These aren't even final, either.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente GNATHIC
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:44:00 -
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can any1 tell me what dronebay and bandwidth the typhoon has on sisi? and as we are at it, exactly how far do torps reach now with maxed skills? thx
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Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:44:00 -
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I welcome the changes to the Arbitrator family.
Forsch Defender of the empire
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Sandzibarr
A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:46:00 -
[56]
Originally by: TimMc Edited by: TimMc on 23/10/2007 22:36:40 I would rather loose all my turrets hardpoints on my myrmidon than lose my ability to use 5 ogre IIs. I fit T1 crap guns in there and nos/neuts anyway.
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Karandor
Minmatar Wildlands Heavy Technologies FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:48:00 -
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Lol the Eos out-damaged all the field commands with 5 hvy drones and 7 turrets and completely DESTROYED the DPS of any fleet command. The astarte is suppose to be the damage dealing command ship.
I find it kind of weird that the ishtar remains the same while the myrm gets nerfed. The myrm was at least very vulnerable to destroyed drones.
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Acinonyx Jubatus
Minmatar Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Acinonyx Jubatus on 23/10/2007 22:53:05 Typhoon and Domi both have their normal dronebay sizes, 175/375 or w/e it is. Their bandwidth is at 125 though, so it's technically the same as launching 5 heavies as normal. Actually, I may need a confirmation ont eh Typhoon, but I swear I checked it earlier (not logging in atm)
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente GNATHIC
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Acinonyx Jubatus Edited by: Acinonyx Jubatus on 23/10/2007 22:53:05 Typhoon and Domi both have their normal dronebay sizes, 175/375 or w/e it is. Their bandwidth is at 125 though, so it's technically the same as launching 5 heavies as normal. Actually, I may need a confirmation ont eh Typhoon, but I swear I checked it earlier (not logging in atm)
i don't care much about the BW tbh, i only use T2 med drones in missions anyways... but i hoped to get more drone bay to get more web drones, armor repair drones and all that utilities i usually leave "at home" because they dont fit.
i love the phoon for it's huge drone bay, but i just would like it bigger, hehe.
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Gavin Darklighter
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:36:00 -
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You whinners are hilarious. So the myrmi lost some drone dps? Guess what, with a rack of electrons and no damage mods you still dish out nearly 600dps; thats on a battlecruiser with five mid slots, six lows, and a tanking bonus!
The ishkur nerf sucks, I'll give you that.
The arbi-class ships got a boost IMO since now you can carry hammerheads and valks to pick the damage type you want to deal.
The EOS got nerfed hard, but all this did was bring it in line with how much the other fleet command ships stink. Maybe it should just get the 150m3 drone bay and have the drone size bonus changed to some optimal range or tracking bonus. You do want a "usefull" bonus just like the other fleet commands right? But really the EOS is lacking in the tank department, so switching a high slot to a low slot might be a good idea since it now doesnt have the turret hardpoints to fill all 7 highs.
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin Darklighter You whinners are hilarious. So the myrmi lost some drone dps? Guess what, with a rack of electrons and no damage mods you still dish out nearly 600dps; thats on a battlecruiser with five mid slots, six lows, and a tanking bonus!
The ishkur nerf sucks, I'll give you that.
The arbi-class ships got a boost IMO since now you can carry hammerheads and valks to pick the damage type you want to deal.
The EOS got nerfed hard, but all this did was bring it in line with how much the other fleet command ships stink. Maybe it should just get the 150m3 drone bay and have the drone size bonus changed to some optimal range or tracking bonus. You do want a "usefull" bonus just like the other fleet commands right? But really the EOS is lacking in the tank department, so switching a high slot to a low slot might be a good idea since it now doesnt have the turret hardpoints to fill all 7 highs.
and that's that.
however I don't mind the ishkur nerf. I was using a full light drone bay in my setups already.
....now if only the Afrigs would get a real 4th bonus... (hint hint: ishkur's drone velocity bonus) ---
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Praxis1452
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Posted - 2007.10.24 03:48:00 -
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his now makes the blasterboats just that much better. Screw the vexor I'll just go rax then brutix. The vexor change isn't bad but I was going to train skills up for the myrm. No point in that now. Myrm doesn't even have a damage bonus to hybrids.
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Gavin Darklighter
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.10.24 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Praxis1452 his now makes the blasterboats just that much better. Screw the vexor I'll just go rax then brutix. The vexor change isn't bad but I was going to train skills up for the myrm. No point in that now. Myrm doesn't even have a damage bonus to hybrids.
Myrmi with blasters will do more dps than the brutix WHILE tanking better when using realistic setups.
Basicly, the myrmi can do anything the brutix can do, only the myrmi does it better. Thats both before and after the comming nerf.
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Laughing Mime
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.24 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin Darklighter
Originally by: Praxis1452 his now makes the blasterboats just that much better. Screw the vexor I'll just go rax then brutix. The vexor change isn't bad but I was going to train skills up for the myrm. No point in that now. Myrm doesn't even have a damage bonus to hybrids.
Myrmi with blasters will do more dps than the brutix WHILE tanking better when using realistic setups.
Basicly, the myrmi can do anything the brutix can do, only the myrmi does it better. Thats both before and after the comming nerf.
Wrong. Brutix in gank fit(3 damage mods) - 932 dps myrm in gank fit (3damage mods) - 800 dps. (myrm has no real tank in this setup). standard myrm with tank - 645 dps.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.10.24 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Laughing Mime
Originally by: Gavin Darklighter
Originally by: Praxis1452 his now makes the blasterboats just that much better. Screw the vexor I'll just go rax then brutix. The vexor change isn't bad but I was going to train skills up for the myrm. No point in that now. Myrm doesn't even have a damage bonus to hybrids.
Myrmi with blasters will do more dps than the brutix WHILE tanking better when using realistic setups.
Basicly, the myrmi can do anything the brutix can do, only the myrmi does it better. Thats both before and after the comming nerf.
Wrong. Brutix in gank fit(3 damage mods) - 932 dps myrm in gank fit (3damage mods) - 800 dps. (myrm has no real tank in this setup). standard myrm with tank - 645 dps.
Pretty much. Myrm was lame before, it's worse now, but who cares. The Eos and Ishkur nerf though, wtf? Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I |
Ecky X
The Aforementioned
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Posted - 2007.10.24 05:07:00 -
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<3
I just recently trained up Amarr cruisers, and I love this.
Vexor with 2 full sets of mediums? Arbitrator with 3?
Still on my list: 1. buff the 3 other teir 1 BCs (or nerf the tier 2's a bit) 2. make lasers a tad better 3. Change carrier nerf a bit - 10 drones max? or how about allowing 20 fighters, 15 assignable 4. ....wow can't think of anything atm -----
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.10.24 05:12:00 -
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The ishkur change... err, why? Why give less of a reason to fly an AF than there already is. Why not just leave it alone, buff the rest of the class and then balance it once the class gets the attention it needs?
With the incoming drone shield autoheal nerf, the EOS change is way too much (and to a lesser extent the Myrm). Drone nerf AND a turret nerf? WTF? So, now the drones can be popped much easier, AND the unbonused guns get reduced in number? Too far guys. Another change ignoring how fights actually happen rather than just looking at spreadsheet numbers and changing ze numbers in ze little boxes.
Yah, the EOS was a bit silly in comparison to the rest of the field, now it's just got a major kick in the face it shouldn't have got. __________________________________________________ FOLD. The Ultimate PVP. It really is Us vs. Them. clicky |
Ort Lofthus
Wildlands Heavy Technologies FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2007.10.24 05:37:00 -
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I agree with pretty much all the changes except to some degree the Eos. A better idea would be to give it a naturally large drone bay, say what it is with these bonuses maxed out, and give it a drone damage bonus tied to command ships. In its current iteration it does great damage for a command ship in general and absurdly high dps compared to the other fleet commands. But this change I feel puts its dps too low, as its racial links give far weaker bonuses than the other three, therefore the Eos should be a big better in frontline combat but needs to be worse for straight battle than the astarte.
Myrm needed a nerf. People who think that kind of dps with that sort of tank and ewar support are delusional. And yes, in theory shooting the drones works, but that theory is really based around 1v1s. Once you get to small to mid-sized gangs, its highly unlikely that the myrm will have to worry about losing drones, so then the myrm is just a DPS/EWAR/Tank boat...killing drones didn't work that well in 1v1s either, just not that realistic vs a competant pilot.
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Braise Erighani
Gallente Galaxia Entertainment
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Posted - 2007.10.24 07:31:00 -
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So, we end up with a myrmidon having the same dps as a vexor...
Well, there was no need to improve the drones interface, considering what use we will have of drones now.
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TimMc
Skiddies of Doom
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Posted - 2007.10.24 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Braise Erighani So, we end up with a myrmidon having the same dps as a vexor...
Well, there was no need to improve the drones interface, considering what use we will have of drones now.
Yep, basically besides being able to tank alot better.
This nerf to myrmidon sucks even more because of the nerf to scooping drones then redeploying with full shields.
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Formulka
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:04:00 -
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uhm what about a harbinger, does it have 50mbit to control 5 mediums or just 25mbit for 5 small?
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ort Lofthus I agree with pretty much all the changes except to some degree the Eos. A better idea would be to give it a naturally large drone bay, say what it is with these bonuses maxed out, and give it a drone damage bonus tied to command ships.
Exactly. I don't mind losing the 2 turrets (can't use them anyway when you're running 3 gang links), but it needs more drone bandwidth, at least the old drone bay size, and a drone damage bonus instead of that turret bonus. It's supposed to boost EW ships, yet it's pushed towards weapons that have 2-3km range (blasters)? Wtf?
Make drones the primary weapon systems, and the ship stays at least somewhat useful as a fleet command ship. I don't need to be able to field 5 x heavies, but I do want some more drone-based damage (take away the rest of the turrets for all I care). Otherwise the ship is just a sad puppy... poor and cap-intensive tank, poor gang links, fitting problems, etc (as compared to other field commands).
The Eos needs to be usable and on par with the others as a field command ship. The new Eos is certainly not.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Forsch I welcome the changes to the Arbitrator family.
Not being able to field 2x heavy, 2x medium and 1x light drones any more will be a bit of a pain, but the increased bay size more than compensates for that.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Blutreiter
Pelennor Swarm R i s e
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:13:00 -
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Okay can someone seriously explain to me why THE HELL Arbitrator dronebay was nerfed?
And compared to the Vexor which additionally has weapon bonuses lose out by 25 m^3?
I mean, christ, get a grip.
This change will kill 2 of my primary setups. And I never heard complains about Arbis being overpowered.
Furthermore, i'd like to join the "Amarr is nerfed!" whining fleet now...
...feck...
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Formulka
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Blutreiter ... I never heard complains about Arbis being overpowered. ...
well the problem is, noone whined about em being gimped, so CCP had to put em in line with other Amarr ships ... nos nerf wasnt enough, gonna support it with dronebay nerf
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OneSock
Crown Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:41:00 -
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Make Sentry drones 15mbit bandwidth, this way Eos and myrm can keep some PVE roles, but still cannot use the heavies which supposedly overpower it in PVP. Also change the Eos bonus to 10% optimal and falloff. The drone bay bonus is just dumb considering the bandwidth limitations and the whole stated aims of the drone changes.
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Gavin Darklighter
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Laughing Mime
Originally by: Gavin Darklighter
Myrmi with blasters will do more dps than the brutix WHILE tanking better when using realistic setups.
Basicly, the myrmi can do anything the brutix can do, only the myrmi does it better. Thats both before and after the comming nerf.
Wrong. Brutix in gank fit(3 damage mods) - 932 dps myrm in gank fit (3damage mods) - 800 dps. (myrm has no real tank in this setup). standard myrm with tank - 645 dps.
Wrong. Myrmi hits 800dps with max skills, no implants, 6x neutron IIs, and 3x mag stab IIs, but brutix with your gank setup gets 860 dps. Also read the part where I said "when using realistic setups".
A brutix with 7x Neutron IIs ends up with 4 open med slots, 2 open low slots, and a whopping 70 free powergrid (thats WITH awu v). Myrmi with this setup has one more med and low+- slot as well as about 200 more free grid. So while the brutix can do a touch more dps with a gank fit that no one outside a suicide ganker will use, the myrmi is able to get similar dps with a fitting that is far more survivable. I call that doing the gank role better. But I will admit that the brutix has slightly more DPS potential than the myrmi.
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Chr0nosX
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:16:00 -
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Ishkur, vexor and Eos nerf are just silly. Why try and fix what isn't broken?
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Chr0nosX Ishkur, vexor and Eos nerf are just silly. Why try and fix what isn't broken?
Well, I fly the Eos and even I think it needed some nerf in the dps department. But this went way overboard, making the ship effectively useless (since the others now do similiar dps and are much, much better as gang support). In typical CCP fashion, from somewhat overpowered to useless, in one fell swoop. Sigh.
Ishkur did not need a nerf. All AFs need a serious boost.
Vexor... well, yeah. Didn't really need nerfing either.
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Dristra
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Goumindong They nerfed the arbi, curse, and pilgrim? ******* again?
Only if you used 3x heavy. But for most pilots (who used 5x med 5x small) its major boost. Now you can have 2 spare sets of each drone type, so IMO thats nice.
Its a nerf, really, it limits your flexibility, and flexibility is the one ting the arby gave the amarr cruiser lineup
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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gangstaaaaaa
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:31:00 -
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gallente raceism -_- This race has been pwned by ccp
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Dristra
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: gangstaaaaaa gallente raceism -_- This race has been pwned by ccp
Well, with the eos issue I agree, never seen a ship become so staked with oddly shaped objects.
Heard the great laser nerfing crusade was worse though.
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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Sikozu Prioris
Suns Of Korhal YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:35:00 -
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damm ccp to hell and back
"A enemy fleet emerges from the shadows"
- What shadows!?! We're in ****ing space for gods sake
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel Edited by: Aramendel on 23/10/2007 20:15:54
Arbi: 50mbit, 150m¦ Curse: 50mbit, 150m¦ Pilg: 50mbit, 150m¦
So I get a choice of 3 different flights of medium drones? Or 2 Flights of mediums and 2 flights of lights?
I'm a happy camper if I can pick my damage type against enemies! And have even more drones as backup. This mitigates nos nerf slightly. How about 5 Neut drones to aid killing of cap, recall, send out damage dealers? ============================================
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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: N1fty How about 5 Neut drones to aid killing of cap, recall, send out damage dealers?
Dunno if they are worth sacrificing 50m¦ dronebay. A medium neut drone kills 10 cap every 6 seconds, that are 8.3 cap/sec for 5.
A neut kills 30 cap/sec on the curse, a nos 12 cap/sec.
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Nyx STeeLGamers
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:32:00 -
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i was on testerserver yesterday late, with a mate, we both made a bc, i fitted a myrm with Nos/neut and 5 x ogre, when i came out, i launched them, and then 3 ogres.. **** :D gall drone boats vs lights? ****:P when he launched his drones, i returned mine, and when i tried to release them, they didnt, very annoying bug:).. but it seems like u should use dominix instead of myrm to rat with from now.. or a very expensive navy vexor?:P
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Mannakin
Caldari Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:39:00 -
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Since the Myrmiddon has no gun bonus, I usually run it with Autocannons. It benefits your cap for tanking and has a better effective range.
The EOS nerf is too much, although it did need some nerfing. I fly Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar command ships of both types and I doubt my EOS will be used much now I'm afraid.
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MingRan
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:46:00 -
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Imho, the Myrmidon should at least get 80mbit.
Mixing 3 (!) different sizes is a bit annoying ( 2heavy, 2 medium, 1 light) With 80mbit one could make at least one group of 2 heavy/3 medium ( 2nd group of 5 light for the small targets.)
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Motokko
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Chr0nosX Ishkur, vexor and Eos nerf are just silly. Why try and fix what isn't broken?
I thought the Vexor got buffed. Its still able to field the same drone configuration as before but gets an extra 25m3 dronebay capacity. Is there something I'm missing?
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Blutreiter
Pelennor Swarm R i s e
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Motokko
Originally by: Chr0nosX Ishkur, vexor and Eos nerf are just silly. Why try and fix what isn't broken?
I thought the Vexor got buffed. Its still able to field the same drone configuration as before but gets an extra 25m3 dronebay capacity. Is there something I'm missing?
My whine about the Arbitrator recieving the nerf-bat in comparison to the Vexor, because the other true drone cruiser in the game just got shafted with 50m^3 bandwidth.
So replace "Vexor" above with "Arbi".
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Motokko
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:58:00 -
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Phew, thanks for that, the Vexor is my current ratting ship of choice. The Vexor buff is pretty awesome actualy since now I'll be able to pack 3 heavies for anti-BS work and 5 lights for anti-frig.
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel Edited by: Aramendel on 23/10/2007 20:15:54
Ishkur: 25mbit, 25m¦, same bonus (50m¦ at lvl 5 compared to 40m¦ now) Vexor: 75mbit, 100m¦ Navy Vexor: 100mbit, 100m¦ Myr: 75 mbit, 150m¦ Eos: 75 mbit, 150m¦ and as dronebay bonus +15m¦/lvl (225m¦ at lvl 5 compared to 300m¦ at lvl5 now) and for the sake of completeness: reduction to 5 turret hardpoints.
Arbi: 50mbit, 150m¦ Curse: 50mbit, 150m¦ Pilg: 50mbit, 150m¦
Ishtar unchanged, dominix unchanged
25mbit = being able to control drones with a total volume of 25m¦, meaning 5 lights or 1 heavy, for example.
To the post about mrym being gimped, you still have a phenomenal armor tank for durability, you can fit the nos/neut system with med injector to drain out the enemy, fit 5-6 220mm vulcan II's and do good drone damage, or fit 6 ion blaster II's to it. Ship wasn't meant to do battleship level damage. EOS totally outclassed all other commandships in terms of gank and tank, so why complain? It had it's day of glory and now being leveled out.
Has CCP considered giving a few drone ships a bonus to drone mwd speed to catch enemy easier/faster or better sentry tracking? THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Futher Bezluden
EOS totally outclassed all other commandships in terms of gank despite a so-so tank, so why complain? It had it's day of glory and is now being made totally useless in any role.
Fixed it for you.
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Futher Bezluden
EOS totally outclassed all other commandships in terms of gank despite a so-so tank, so why complain? It had it's day of glory and is now being made totally useless in any role.
Fixed it for you.
Thanks THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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rafaman
New European Regiment Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.10.24 18:52:00 -
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I'm one of those players that dont take it very well when after spending huge amounts of time specializing on skills to max the usage of the ships I prefer to fly, I get to see that investment being nerfed.
I went gallente for 2 reasons. Race description and the type of warfare. Gallente are all about drones. So what do I do? I spend months training drones, gunnery and ships... and when I got enought ISK spend it on ships where drones are a plus. Vexor, Dominix, Myrmidom, etc.
In this past 1.5 years I saw strange things heppening. I've saw for example a new BS that cant even take 5 heavy drones - Hyperion. Sure its a blaster boat... but does it makes sense at all that a Gallente Battleship with no Drone Bonus, can only carry 4 heavy drones? We are talking about a race where drones are one of the main skills trained by the players. I also say a nerf to the EAN II. Gallente are all about armor tanking. Again a nerf to that. So we have already a hard time fitting a decent armor on a Myrmidon and now we also get a nerf on our dps by nerfing the drones. Great. Whats next?
I must say I'm starting to feel that I'm paying for a game where I'm subject on each new patch new nerfs to my race and to my ships, that took me so long to train for. At some point we have to consider if this makes any sense at all. For me, it does not. It starts to seem to me that when CCP first designed the game, it was not balanced and now we are getting patches to reduce here, increase there... at the expense or our gameplay. This is pure bad PR IMHO. If I had to write a review today, it would not be as good as it was 6 months ago even tho a lot of "improvements" where put in place.
Some say.. dont use that ship... use the other. Dont use heavys... use mediums ... give me a break. This is not about a change and how it affects some ships and not the others. This is a change that affects directly my game experience and makes me have to change the way I use my ships in a negative way. I do like to use my Myr with 5 Ogre II. I do like to use my Mega with 5 OGRE II. I do hate to be able to use only 4 OGRE II on my Hyperion, but then again when I spent 140M on the ship I knew that in advance. Are other races in disavantage when it comes to gallente? I dont think so. Take a look at the BC Drake that can tank more then some BS.
In fact... why do gallente have bonus for Drones anyway? Could it be that its a race that depends a lot on cap for weapons and trusts and keep the optimal range for hybrids? If CCP is nerfing gallente by nerfing drones and ships that makes use of them, then perhaps changes to the hybrid PG and CAP are in order. And be able to fit more guns perhaps?
And as a final note this bandwith thing is to me something in the line of heat. Its nice to have but on the field its just another level of complexity that eventually will make this game just too complex and just too dificult to learn. It will keep on increasing the learning curve of it... that in turn will make it less attractive for someone that just wants to spend a few hours a week having fun and not having to worry about so many details.
From someone that plays this game for over 1.5 years, its just something new to deal with. For a new gammer is one more thing to learn... When it comes to marketing, its a good thing to have as many players as possible to upgrade from trial to paying customer... I wonder if eventually the tendency to increase complexity of the game will not be a turn-off for most people. I would be much better to invest time and resources on new ships, new items, optimizations to be able to actually login on Jita even when there are 700 in local and to improve the game experience overral.
My 0.4 cent
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Xiong Yoshi
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:24:00 -
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I hope that they atleast up the Myrm Dronebay to 175m3.... that way a player COULD have 2 waves of mediums and a "wave" of heavies...
now I'm hoping that they lower sentry Bandwidth to 15Mhz - not likely but sentries need some loving.
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Veng3ance
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:35:00 -
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I suggest changing both the Eos and Myrm drone bandwidth, that Nerf is just a bit much.
Either change them to 80mbit or 100mbit.
4 heavy drones might be a bit much, but 80mbit is a lot more reasonable then 75mbit bandwidth. With 75mbit your deploying 3 different drones types if you want to fill your complete DPS potential..... no one does that, and no one will.
Give us 80mbit so we can at least launch 2 Heavies + 3 Mediums. I don't think this is unreasonable.
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Zitheral
Species 5618 R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: rafaman I'm one of those players that dont take it very well when after spending huge amounts of time specializing on skills to max the usage of the ships I prefer to fly, I get to see that investment being nerfed.
.... BLAH BLAH BLAH ....
My 0.4 cent
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Luke Lamarr
Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:45:00 -
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Ouch... goodbye drone boats...
Not only they nerf the numbers of max drones you can field, but they do so at the same time at they 'fix' drones. Once they make it so that shields do not insta-regen when you scoop drones, it will become really easy to pop drones of any droneboat (even if the droneboat wants to remote rep)
So not only the top DPS you can reach gets nerfed, but it also becomes real easy to drop a ships DPS during combat... The scoop nerf was imo the only nerf needed. I'm looking forward to see how these nerfs combined will really affect drone boats, but my hopes aren't very high
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Julius Romanus
Amarr Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:55:00 -
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My arbitrator got buffed. I never used the "mix in heavies meds and lights for maxxxiums dps"
Looks like I can carry 5x warrior II's, 5x Hammer II's, and a bunch of ewar drones. Or spares for my combats.
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Seringol
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:56:00 -
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As mostly a user of Drones for DPS, im feeling pretty shafted right now.
Especially on my precious little Ishkur, a ship that already had enough ****ing problems as it was.
Gallente should have more bandwith, period. Or start saying that hey, Gallente is no longer the main drone race.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 24/10/2007 20:30:16
Originally by: rafaman I'm one of those players that dont take it very well when after spending huge amounts of time specializing on skills to max the usage of the ships I prefer to fly, I get to see that investment being nerfed.
*stuff*
My 0.4 cent
And yet with your insanely gimped armor tank, dps, everything, the mym still totally outmatches the drake and hurricane (cept maybe speed?)
The Eos-nerf is the only gimp I don't really understand; it's a dps command ship and it should be able to field 5 heavies. 80 on the mym would make more sense, but oh well, it will still out dps 95% of caldari ships
Only 4 heavies on a blaster boat? Oh noes... my tier 3 bs doesn't even USE missles. Be glad yours has a drone bay at all.
A nerf doesn't happen because 5 people whined on a forum. A nerf doesn't happen JUST to **** you off. A nerf happens when something is broken or unbalanced and CCP trys to fix it. There doesn't need to be any "compensation". If this turns out to be to heavy a nerf, I'm sure they'll make it all better for you in a few months.
Finally, people that can't understand Eve play WoW. Making it so you can only use X drone band width at the same time won't make it any harder to understand that it already is.
Edit: Grammer
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Dzajic
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.24 20:52:00 -
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You dear folks do know that nos nerf, damp nerf and no more drone shields recharging on scoop directly nerf drone boats?
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Endica Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.24 21:33:00 -
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I definitely don't say things like this very often, but.. Cry me a river!
Adapt people. It's not like Gallente usually gets the short end of the stick.
Or do as I do and choose your ships by looks instead of stats. It's far less likely to change, and if so (graphics update) hopefully to the better.
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Justice Bringer
Minmatar Space-Bar FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2007.10.24 21:40:00 -
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Look the whole thing on SISI is nonesense pure and simple. Sure bring things into line with other ships but don't change their fundamental reason for being just because.
Look:
Megathron Drone Bay - 125m3 Bandwidth - 125m3 = 5 Heavies
Eos Drone Bay - 225m5 (at lvl 5) Bandwidth - 75m3 = 3 Heavies
Now which of these two ships is a 'drone boat' ???
Even the Hyperion is in on the act:
Drone Bay - 100m3 Bandwidth - 100m3 = 4 Heavies
Can anyone understand this in the slightest because I don't. Sure remove 2 turrets from the Eos and so allow people to use the ship in its pre designated role as a Fleet Command ship and therefore actually fit gang modules there. But to also do the following is too much:
A) Reduce the drone bay bonus fom 50m3 to 15m3 B) Remove the auto shield regen on drone dock
By increasing the base drone bay from 50m3 on Tranq to 150m3 on SISI and then messing with the drone bandwidth is analagous to shops raising the price of their goods just before the put them in a sale.
It may look like an attractive proposition but people always know when they're being stiffed and this is a case in point CCP.
You're stiffing the public (those that own an Eos in any case) and we don't like it one bit.
Justice
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Acinonyx Jubatus
Minmatar Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.24 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Acinonyx Jubatus on 24/10/2007 23:20:06 That comment on the EANM change nerfing gallente was amusing tbh, you do know that it's the mod being changed, not "this module gets an increase on cpu fitting requirements when fitted onto gallente racial ships" type of deal, it goes to anyone who fits the mod.
Then the one somewhere above me, asking which of the two is a drone ship(hyperion/mega/eos) Yeah, the Eos is technically a drone ship, but all it gets is a dronebay size increase, as does the ishkur... it doesn't get a drone damage bonus, though it probably should instead of the hybrid one, I'm not gonna go into it really as it's "fine". But the mega and hype being able to launch a full wave of their class sized drones isn't bad. If you look at it like that, then the Rupture is a droneship, as is the Thorax, and Brutix, and Moa, and Catalyst, so on and so forth for any ship that can field all of their dronebay.
Why the Hype can field only 4 Heavies, who knows, guess it's supposed to fit a better tank than the mega, personally I don't care because I don't like the hype, looks weird, costs more, and performs roughly the same as the mega with differences.
What I find hilarious is people misunderstanding things like the vexor/arbitrator changes and screaming "run for the hill it's a nerf!!"Yeah arbi got a bit of a change as to available loadout but got more variation aswell. what I find funny is the people panicing in this thread will wind up finding things to be "ok" and fine after awhile int he future, these aren't 100% final and even if they're final they still get adjusted, Eos pilots have a fair bit of adjustment to go through, heck everyone does, namely carrier pilots.
Forgot what Iwas going to say now :|
Edit: oh right... there's a saying I've seen in the past... if it's too good to be true, then it probably is, don't spend months or years training on one race just because it's good at something, then cry when some changes occur after 10 months. Gallente haven't been touched in awhile anyways. I predict Minmatar will get an eventual change aswell, then caldari, then Gallente in a circle(see how I skipped Amarr?), who cares, we'll all eventually be equally nerfed into extinction and resort to typing each other to death.
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Corphus
The NewOrder BORG Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 23:22:00 -
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well apart from the myrmidon the bandwidth thing seems ok.
i think that the myrmidon suffers too much since its main arsenal consists of drones. the 6 guns the myrm can use arent bonused, which is kind of disapointing. the effective dps advantage over the vexor is only the dps output ability of one single gun taking ship bonuses into account. i dont know how this pays out but ill coment on this once i had the chance testing it.
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Danjira Ryuujin
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Danjira Ryuujin on 24/10/2007 23:30:10 It's alright guys. Give gallente posters a break. They're not used to having people actually balance their ships.
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Vulsutyr
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Posted - 2007.10.24 23:55:00 -
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not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere but ccp didn't really increase the amount of waves/drones gallentes have in ships they just made it so you can use less of them at once which in the end gives you more waves which is pointless i would much rather be able to launch all 5 ogres then 2 waves of 3
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rafaman
New European Regiment Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.10.25 00:15:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Acinonyx Jubatus Edited by: Acinonyx Jubatus on 24/10/2007 23:20:06 That comment on the EANM change nerfing gallente was amusing tbh, you do know that it's the mod being changed, not "this module gets an increase on cpu fitting requirements when fitted onto gallente racial ships" type of deal, it goes to anyone who fits the mod.
First, Gallente are in fact Armor tanking. So this means that EAN2 are in fact a very important modules for us. EAN2 nerf was a big deal for us.
Let me take sides here and compare my ex-beloved-before-drone-nerfs-Myrmidon and compare it with the over-tanked-bc Drake that can tank like hell and has... guess what... 8 fitting slots for lauchers. Myr has 6 for rails that need cap and relied on Drones for the extra dps. Why would I use a Myr now? There is no point in doing so. I may as well sell mines.
Cheers
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Danjira Ryuujin
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.25 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: Danjira Ryuujin on 25/10/2007 00:41:07
Originally by: rafaman
Let me take sides here and compare my ex-beloved-before-drone-nerfs-Myrmidon and compare it with the over-tanked-bc Drake that can tank like hell and has... guess what... 8 fitting slots for lauchers. Myr has 6 for rails that need cap and relied on Drones for the extra dps. Why would I use a Myr now? There is no point in doing so. I may as well sell mines.
WTB 8 launcher drake.
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Keithos
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.25 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: rafaman Edited by: rafaman on 25/10/2007 00:17:25
Originally by: Acinonyx Jubatus Edited by: Acinonyx Jubatus on 24/10/2007 23:20:06 That comment on the EANM change nerfing gallente was amusing tbh, you do know that it's the mod being changed, not "this module gets an increase on cpu fitting requirements when fitted onto gallente racial ships" type of deal, it goes to anyone who fits the mod.
First, Gallente are in fact Armor tanking. So this means that EAN2 are in fact a very important modules for us. EAN2 nerf was a big deal for us.
Let me take sides here and compare my ex-beloved-before-drone-nerfs-Myrmidon and compare it with the over-tanked-bc Drake that can tank like hell and has... guess what... 8 fitting slots for lauchers. Myr has 6 for rails that need cap and relied on Drones for the extra dps. Why would I use a Myr now? There is no point in doing so. I may as well sell mines.
Cheers
Edit: Not to mention that drake has more CPU... when it was Armor tanking races that got their CPU nerfed by nerfing EAN2. I must stop writing nerfed... :)
You do realize that launcers use cpu more and grid less, (the opposite of turrets they use more grid then cpu) thus almost all missile ships tend to have more cpu (as it gets used).
Further I think the whole chicken little the sky is falling cause my myri no longer so outrageously out dpses just about every bc by a sizeable margin is amusing.
If you really didn't think the myri was going to lose mediums when bandwidth was announced or that CCP was never going to some how nerf the myri's damage, well can I have what you're smoking cause it seems like it's quality stuff.
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port22
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2007.10.25 02:35:00 -
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EOS should be changed to 100mbit not 75mbit. Either that or give it back its turret slots for christ's sake. Im all about balance in the game but this is a ******** move. Its not like it gets bonus's on its drones damage.
GG CCP - Can you nerf the **** out of anyone else today? o_0
Originally by: Temp Boi Port FTMFW Period.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2007.10.25 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: rafaman Edited by: rafaman on 25/10/2007 00:17:25 First, Gallente are in fact Armor tanking. So this means that EAN2 are in fact a very important modules for us. EAN2 nerf was a big deal for us.
Let me take sides here and compare my ex-beloved-before-drone-nerfs-Myrmidon and compare it with the over-tanked-bc Drake that can tank like hell and has... guess what... 8 fitting slots for lauchers. Myr has 6 for rails that need cap and relied on Drones for the extra dps. Why would I use a Myr now? There is no point in doing so. I may as well sell mines.
Cheers
Edit: Not to mention that drake has more CPU... when it was Armor tanking races that got their CPU nerfed by nerfing EAN2. I must stop writing nerfed... :)
Drake uses 7 launchers. Myrm out tanks the drake (myrms passive shield tank is greater than it's armor tank, and it can actually cause damage with said tank using drones, while the drake becomes a useless-heavy-missle-modless-firing-stuck-boat)
Amarr armor tank as well, it wasn't a "gal nerf." It's your first major nerf I understand; I know it hurts now but you'll be walking fine in a few days I promise. If Caldari can deal with their mass-nerf then you can deal with having your myrm dragged in line with the other bcs.
Myrm will still outdps and outtank a drake post-patch. Give my drake 5 mediums please
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2007.10.25 05:34:00 -
[115]
The drone boats in general should have larger mbit bandwidth, not gallente ships alone.
So an Arby should have a bigger bay at least, than a EOS which isn't even a drone boat, (no bonus to drones period)
R.E.C.O.N. is recruiting
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Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2007.10.25 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver The drone boats in general should have larger mbit bandwidth, not gallente ships alone.
So an Arby should have a bigger bay at least, than a EOS which isn't even a drone boat, (no bonus to drones period)
the eos IS a droneboat. its build by creodron and it has a drone bay size bonus. and combat recons are only able to use medsized or light drones due to their dronebay limitations. after the patch u might be able to use up to 5 meds iff ccp decidec that the recons get 50M/bit and more dronebay. imo this is more than u can ask for.
Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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Testosterone Bomb
Red Ballz
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Posted - 2007.10.25 06:51:00 -
[117]
Actually with the EOS , they should give it a bandwith of 95 so that it can field 3 heavies and 2 mediums, that would at least make sense.
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rafaman
New European Regiment Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.10.25 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Danjira Ryuujin Edited by: Danjira Ryuujin on 25/10/2007 00:41:07
Originally by: rafaman
Let me take sides here and compare my ex-beloved-before-drone-nerfs-Myrmidon and compare it with the over-tanked-bc Drake that can tank like hell and has... guess what... 8 fitting slots for lauchers. Myr has 6 for rails that need cap and relied on Drones for the extra dps. Why would I use a Myr now? There is no point in doing so. I may as well sell mines.
WTB 8 launcher drake.
LOL.... My bad.... :)
Cheers
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Winston Farrel
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:17:00 -
[119]
Ouch!
Heh, the myrm was pretty much my combat bread and butter ship... I'll miss being able to field five heavies.
Quite honestly, I think I fall in the camp of myrm users here generally... The myrm is supposedly a drone boat, if it's overpowered, why are they cutting it's drones?
I think it could stand to take it's DPS hit elsewhere, lose a couple of slots for fitting other kit, perhaps.
I dunno... I don't have experience of other races ships, honestly. I found myself liking the Myrm a lot in comparaison to other ships I'd flown, maybe that is indication of it having been too powerful.
I'll adapt. I generally PVE anyhow, so it's not so bad for me.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:22:00 -
[120]
I actually regret suiciding my Mrymidon a month ago.
Its not to bad being able to fly two flights of mediums. Sure, the damage aint too hot, but it is still pretty wtfpwn for slot layout...unless they've chopped into those too (cant remember, still reeling from my Eos nerf) ----------------- Friends Forever
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