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Lucas Avignon
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:10:00 -
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If you take a look at the vexor, myrm and domi you will see that it is perfect as it is. This is why.
Each class gets 10% bonus to drone hitpoints per level and both the vexor and domi get a bonus to turret damage per level except the myrm which gets a repair bonus instead.
Now the Vexor is a tech I tier II cruiser that can field 3 heavy drones and costs less than 4m. The domi is a tech I tier I bs that can use 6 large hybrid's with a bonus and can field 5 heavies, it costs a little over 50m. It also can field more heavies even if all are destroyed twice.
Now the myrm costs 33m, it has no bonus to turret damage, power grid is lacking if you try to fit 6 medium hybrids and is completely fair to be able to field 5 heavies as it cannot replace them when they get destroyed.
It's in a class called Battlecruiser which would suggest it's closer to Battleship than cruiser, certainly it's price would if that didn't ;)
There is another crucial point, the myrm is part of a new gallente design which ofc must be some improvement over lets say old gallente designs like the domi, the domi still outperforms the myrm in every repect, however the domi costs more and is a bs and so it should.
It just doesn't make sense to nerf this ship, this is a good drone boat for those that have invested in drone skills, it's balanced between cruiser and bs. If it's nerfed then there is no reason to pay more and train for it when a brutix will completely destroy it.
Or maybe ccp don't want variety amongst drone users and just want us all to fly domi's, cause all that will happen if this is nerfed is that all myrm pilots will start flying domi's and no one will bother to fly the myrm.
From a personal aspect it's quite fun and on the edge risking your fully rigged myrm in level 4 missions trying not to get popped or lose a drone, using a domi will just be like oh lets sit here tank the whole mission, oh lost a drone nvm 10 more in the bay, and ofc large hybrids making sure you insta pop all the rats and a full set of medium or light drones for frigs in the bay too.
So yeah lets destroy this ship and hit it with the nerf bat because some pilots put time into drone skills to make it worth it and some noob in his hurricane couldn't be arsed to train for tech II autocannons and hail, zomfg the myrm so pwned me and needs to be nerfed
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:12:00 -
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You seem to like beating a dead horse.
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Delichon
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:15:00 -
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Solution to this - train Ammar.
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ollobrains
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:17:00 -
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give it a bonus say 3% dps per level for lasers, projectiles and smartbombs
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TimMc
Skiddies of Doom
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sirial Soulfly You seem to like beating a dead horse.
Its only dead when its on Tranquility.
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Kyp Yuun
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:37:00 -
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Why should gallente be the only one with out some sort of fitting limit to there main source of dps.
I'm assuming your talking about drone bandwidth
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Lucas Avignon
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kyp Yuun Why should gallente be the only one with out some sort of fitting limit to there main source of dps.
I'm assuming your talking about drone bandwidth
I am refering to drone bandwidth, to be fair if the myrm got 125mb of bandwidth there would not be a problem, as it should, but I believe someone said that on the test server it only had 75mb of bandwidth which is the same as a tech I cruiser the vexor.
This is a nerf too far. I'm sorry but if your a noob and you want to fly a decent ship, like the best frig or best cruiser or best bc and so on, then you train for it and it's fun and an achievement. In everything there is a best at some particular thing, if your gallente and use drones, then if they do this you will move directly from vexor to domi.
Who the hell is going to train for a ship that can only field as many drones as a vexor when in just a little longer you can get in a domi for not much more cost!!!
This is a an idea that doesn't achieve anything, where is the balance? These myrm pilots are going to be in domi's then!!!
This isn't broken, drone control is, fix that. Your not balancing anything, your just killing a ship and putting more people in domi's.
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Kyp Yuun
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Avignon
Originally by: Kyp Yuun Why should gallente be the only one with out some sort of fitting limit to there main source of dps.
I'm assuming your talking about drone bandwidth
I am refering to drone bandwidth, to be fair if the myrm got 125mb of bandwidth there would not be a problem, as it should, but I believe someone said that on the test server it only had 75mb of bandwidth which is the same as a tech I cruiser the vexor.
This is a nerf too far. I'm sorry but if your a noob and you want to fly a decent ship, like the best frig or best cruiser or best bc and so on, then you train for it and it's fun and an achievement. In everything there is a best at some particular thing, if your gallente and use drones, then if they do this you will move directly from vexor to domi.
Who the hell is going to train for a ship that can only field as many drones as a vexor when in just a little longer you can get in a domi for not much more cost!!!
This is a an idea that doesn't achieve anything, where is the balance? These myrm pilots are going to be in domi's then!!!
This isn't broken, drone control is, fix that. Your not balancing anything, your just killing a ship and putting more people in domi's.
Quit being dramatic, they'll most likely increase it from 75 to 100. Its not as if those numbers are set in stone
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:55:00 -
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Train for caldari turret ships, nothing beats them.
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Kyp Yuun
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn Train for caldari turret ships, nothing beats them.
Epic Moa FTW
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Lucas Avignon
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Posted - 2007.10.24 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn Train for caldari turret ships, nothing beats them.
lol
About those numbers being not set in stone, well they are finalising the code for the expansion soon and tbh I see it getting nerfed into oblivion, so by then I'll be flying a domi.
Shame really as I think it's one of the coolest looking ships in the game and it's going to be a real pain having to fly what I consider is the ugliest ship in the game but meh it's far better than a myrm
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 10:52:00 -
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Myrm is overpowered and should not be able to fit 5 heavy drones, simple as this
Gal have no reason to cry and it annoys me go train ammar then you can cry
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Lucas Avignon
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Posted - 2007.10.24 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Wizzkidy Myrm is overpowered and should not be able to fit 5 heavy drones, simple as this
Gal have no reason to cry and it annoys me go train ammar then you can cry
A tech I cruiser the vexor can field 3 heavys and costs 3.8m, a myrm cost's 35m, I think it should be able to field 5 heavies ;)
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Avignon
Originally by: Wizzkidy Myrm is overpowered and should not be able to fit 5 heavy drones, simple as this
Gal have no reason to cry and it annoys me go train ammar then you can cry
A tech I cruiser the vexor can field 3 heavys and costs 3.8m, a myrm cost's 35m, I think it should be able to field 5 heavies ;)
That makes no odds? the cost means nothing, the myrm is a BC! no other BC can fit 5 heavy drones and none should be able too. You know this as well as anyone else.
Jesus you Gal lot really need to get over this nerf its brining it IN LINE with OTHER BC's
no excuses can be made for this one
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Xiong Yoshi
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains give it a bonus say 3% dps per level for lasers, projectiles and smartbombs
I second this. I use lasers on my Myrm and would love a Damage bonus.. Though to be honest: I'd love to see it get a Drone Bay of 175m3, bandwidth of 100Mhz, and Sentry Drones require 20Mhz... THAT would be ideal to me.. No one really uses sentries it seems (except me) so I see no reason why Sentries should have the same Bandwidth as Heavies.. hell, your ship doesn't even need to guide their movements - which means that it would be easily to justify giving them much less Bandwidth requirements than even Mediums...
But anyways, as a Myrm Pilot, THAT is what I'd want to see.
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Lucas Avignon
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Wizzkidy
Originally by: Lucas Avignon
Originally by: Wizzkidy Myrm is overpowered and should not be able to fit 5 heavy drones, simple as this
Gal have no reason to cry and it annoys me go train ammar then you can cry
A tech I cruiser the vexor can field 3 heavys and costs 3.8m, a myrm cost's 35m, I think it should be able to field 5 heavies ;)
That makes no odds? the cost means nothing, the myrm is a BC! no other BC can fit 5 heavy drones and none should be able too. You know this as well as anyone else.
Jesus you Gal lot really need to get over this nerf its brining it IN LINE with OTHER BC's
no excuses can be made for this one
Your not getting what I'm saying then, if this gets 75mb bandwidth, it's obsoltete, doesn't matter about other bc, no drone pilot will bother training or paying 35m for a ship when a domi for about 52m is nearly 3 times as good.
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Lucas Avignon
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Xiong Yoshi
Originally by: ollobrains give it a bonus say 3% dps per level for lasers, projectiles and smartbombs
I second this. I use lasers on my Myrm and would love a Damage bonus.. Though to be honest: I'd love to see it get a Drone Bay of 175m3, bandwidth of 100Mhz, and Sentry Drones require 20Mhz... THAT would be ideal to me.. No one really uses sentries it seems (except me) so I see no reason why Sentries should have the same Bandwidth as Heavies.. hell, your ship doesn't even need to guide their movements - which means that it would be easily to justify giving them much less Bandwidth requirements than even Mediums...
But anyways, as a Myrm Pilot, THAT is what I'd want to see.
From my perspective, either the Myrm gets 125mb drone bandwidth or if they actually do nerf it, then they better listen to their own blog and increase the drone bay, tbh I think 100mb drone bandwidth and 175m3 dronebay to compensate would be the way to go if they have to hit it with the nerf bat.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Avignon
Originally by: Wizzkidy Myrm is overpowered and should not be able to fit 5 heavy drones, simple as this
Gal have no reason to cry and it annoys me go train ammar then you can cry
A tech I cruiser the vexor can field 3 heavys and costs 3.8m, a myrm cost's 35m, I think it should be able to field 5 heavies ;)
A tech 1 Tier 2 Omen can field 4 guns. I demand that the Harbinger can field atleast 8 Mega Pulses!! Look at the cost. 4 mill for an Omen and a lot more for the Harbinger. Its an outrage.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:15:00 -
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Except when you fit anything other than turrets on a domi, it and the Myrmidon have the same DPS at one third the cost. You really don't have an issue with that?
Or is it that you fly it and just don't want it nerfed? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
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Minigin
Ganja Labs
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:20:00 -
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I can kick the **** out of most other bc's using medium drones.
Why the hell are you complaining. 5 heavise in a myrm is a stupid fit anyway. You are 1 smart pilot away from losing all your dps. mediums just keep on popping out.
Before you yell caldari swine... im a pure bred gallente, with a fugly portrait. I have always fit mediums in my myrmidon and i always will.
now we know ccp isnt going back no this nerf, think how you can work around it. 5 meds... is still a significant amount of dps. More than enough to beat the **** out of another bc.
MINIGIN! Occasionally posting in "limegreen"
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Raneru
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:24:00 -
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Is it possible to break the passive tank of a drake with a drone bandwidth of 75 and whatever guns you manage to fit after a decent tank is fitted?
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Herring
Pimpology Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Avignon
Originally by: Kyp Yuun Why should gallente be the only one with out some sort of fitting limit to there main source of dps.
I'm assuming your talking about drone bandwidth
I am refering to drone bandwidth, to be fair if the myrm got 125mb of bandwidth there would not be a problem, as it should, but I believe someone said that on the test server it only had 75mb of bandwidth which is the same as a tech I cruiser the vexor.
This is a nerf too far. I'm sorry but if your a noob and you want to fly a decent ship, like the best frig or best cruiser or best bc and so on, then you train for it and it's fun and an achievement. In everything there is a best at some particular thing, if your gallente and use drones, then if they do this you will move directly from vexor to domi.
Who the hell is going to train for a ship that can only field as many drones as a vexor when in just a little longer you can get in a domi for not much more cost!!!
This is a an idea that doesn't achieve anything, where is the balance? These myrm pilots are going to be in domi's then!!!
This isn't broken, drone control is, fix that. Your not balancing anything, your just killing a ship and putting more people in domi's.
Yeah
WTS myrmidon bpo....balls. TBH when I spend more time thinking about what's going to be nerfed next than what I want to do in the game, that's when the game starts to be not so fun. Nerfage is rampant, and it's ****ing people off. CCP - please stop with the nerfing and boost something already. |
000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:27:00 -
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Theres something wrong with the myrmi?
I have no clue tbh, i own one cuz i think the myrmi is one of the sweetest looking ships in the game and i bought one for my eve b-day but thats about it.
I don't have a lot of skills for it but it seems fine to me? CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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Minigin
Ganja Labs
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Raneru Is it possible to break the passive tank of a drake with a drone bandwidth of 75 and whatever guns you manage to fit after a decent tank is fitted?
i have done so on many occasions.
MINIGIN! Occasionally posting in "limegreen"
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Herring WTS myrmidon bpo....balls. TBH when I spend more time thinking about what's going to be nerfed next than what I want to do in the game, that's when the game starts to be not so fun. Nerfage is rampant, and it's ****ing people off.
I'll be happy to purchase that BPO from you. Is it researched? Despite the upcoming nerf I'll buy it at NPC market order prices, so you know it'll be a good deal. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
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Lucas Avignon
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Except when you fit anything other than turrets on a domi, it and the Myrmidon have the same DPS at one third the cost. You really don't have an issue with that?
Or is it that you fly it and just don't want it nerfed?
ofc you could simple pretend the turrets didn't exist and say that they have the same dps, however a domi can tank a hell of a lot more than a myrm and if you do fit turrets, then you can fit large ones with bonus'es and the Myrm is only 33% cheaper than a domi.
tbh I hate to look of the domi but if this comes in I will be flying it, lets hope that the updated model looks better by then ^^
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:53:00 -
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Maybe fit medium drones on it and keep spares?
Drones are unique among weapons for oversizing at the moment. I can't put torpedos on my Drake, so why should you get a full compliment of HEAVY drones as well as guns?
~Ryoji Tanakama
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Xiong Yoshi
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama Maybe fit medium drones on it and keep spares?
Drones are unique among weapons for oversizing at the moment. I can't put torpedos on my Drake, so why should you get a full compliment of HEAVY drones as well as guns?
I can't shoot your weapon system, why should you be able to shoot mine?
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benzss
The Increment Retribution.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:01:00 -
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While the Myrmidon is a little bit overpowered as it is, I still maintain the best way to bring it in line is to make it very difficult to fit medium hybrids in the high slots - either by reducing the number of high slots, number of turret slots, or reducing the powergrid. Making the Myrmidon a Vexor with a fat arse is a joke.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama Maybe fit medium drones on it and keep spares?
Drones are unique among weapons for oversizing at the moment. I can't put torpedos on my Drake, so why should you get a full compliment of HEAVY drones as well as guns?
When i can shoot your missile launchers off of your ship you can win this argument.
A drake, even with ****ty t1 passive tank, can tank a myrmiddon for an incredibly long time, long enough for the pilot to kill the myrms DPS(heavys) and wait for backup, or, be an enterprising young fool, kill your own cap and his (the nos nerf has made this possible for you)
The PG on a myrm is lacking and its slow to get its dps on target, any ship that is cap stable while MWDing can render the myrm worthless because: it has to have you webbed to kill you with heavy drones, if they get more than say... 20km from the myrm, they're ******* toast.
The myrm has no onboard weapon bonus, nor the PG required for a decent blaster setup, but thats ok, because no one gives a **** and it can fit autocannons.
The myrm has some SERIOUS DEFICIENCIES when it comes to aligning and so often a dominix will escape faster anyway (one of the myrms main +'s is meant to be: it can get into and out of dodge a lot faster than the superior dominix)
Dont get me wrong, it IS a good ship in some circumstances, but if you have the brains not to let it web you its basically roasted.
I've lost far too many being over adventuress and now im avoiding using them but theres no need to nerf the myrm fans out there...
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