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Grytok
moon7empler Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.06.07 09:25:00 -
[991]
Originally by: Raniss
Originally by: Cailais Nearly 8 months on from the OPs post. CCP comments....0
C.
CCP doesnt post in topics in S&M.
They didn't bother to post in any of the Pilgrim-Threads in Game Development as well.
Actually they only don't post in Pilgrim-Threads. .
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Diomidis
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.07 09:36:00 -
[992]
Originally by: Grytok
Originally by: Raniss
Originally by: Cailais Nearly 8 months on from the OPs post. CCP comments....0
C.
CCP doesnt post in topics in S&M.
They didn't bother to post in any of the Pilgrim-Threads in Game Development as well.
Actually they only don't post in Pilgrim-Threads.
So the Pilgrim is not broken... Either the covert-hauler option makes it useful "enough", or they have in mind a proper fitting/tactic that evades our imagination and these thread(s) - yet it's so obvious (even powerful) that they don't wonna share Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game! |
A Ingus
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Posted - 2008.06.07 15:55:00 -
[993]
Basically the only warp-cloaked recons worth anything are the Caldari and Minmatar. Which appears to be fine with the devs for some reason. I'm doing something I swore I would never do, train Caldari.
At least Amarr has the Curse, which is still usefull. The Lachesis and Arazu are only worth type 2 salvage. (Not meant as a derail) I agree the Pilgrim is broken, and also only worth type 2 salvage.
Possible motivations for the devs? Force players to cross-train with rotating lengthy nerfs? Still funny how the ECM nerf got fixed so quickly, while Amarr suffer(s-ed) for so long. Some comfort, appears Gallente is joining you.
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Depp Knight
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.12 01:58:00 -
[994]
Did the pilgrim get a boost in the new expansion at all? Any plans to?
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Tyrrhena Maxus
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.14 08:52:00 -
[995]
tl;dr
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Ceylana Zari
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Posted - 2008.06.14 15:26:00 -
[996]
I have tried to post a constructive topic in the assembly hall. I would appreciate it if all the Pilgrim supporters would go there and post their support for getting the Pilgrim fixed. Please no stupid comments as I would like for this thread to be taken seriously.
CZ
Linkage
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2008.06.14 17:28:00 -
[997]
I am an Arazu pilot, and I complain incessantly about my ship. But as bad as my ship is, I gotta say you guys got screwed even more. A paper thin ship whose primary function (neut/nos) forces it to operate within web range? Yeah, that's useful. I feel for you guys.
Address the issues CCP!! Give us feedback.
Taxman V: Back in Black
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Suitonia
interimo Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.14 18:06:00 -
[998]
100% Agree the Pilgrim, and Arazu/Lachesis needs to be reviewed by CCP. ---
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Feng Schui
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.06.16 06:38:00 -
[999]
Over 1000 posts and still no acknowledgment from CCP.
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.06.16 10:29:00 -
[1000]
Originally by: Feng Schui Over 1000 posts and still no acknowledgment from CCP.
:( as well.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.17 05:48:00 -
[1001]
Originally by: Feng Schui Over 1000 posts and still no acknowledgment from CCP.
They really need to do something about the pilgrim.
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Spermcell Giganticus
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Posted - 2008.06.20 17:48:00 -
[1002]
Bump...Pilgrim NEEEEDDS a boost CCP
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ian666
Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.06.20 20:20:00 -
[1003]
maybe ccp need new staff, because old doesnt want to work
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Blind Jhon
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Posted - 2008.06.20 21:31:00 -
[1004]
if nos nerf has contribute broking the thempes....
... it clean of the pilgrim (and a bit the cure)
i suport this request
@CCP please guys, good job in new stuff... but now wake up, the old stuff starts smelling...
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Xaen
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.06.20 21:50:00 -
[1005]
Curse is fine. (My favorite ship) Pilgrim, Arazu, and Lach aren't worth buying.
Just check the market prices.
Compare to the Caldari/minmatar recon prices.
The market is incapable of lying, you can't get every eve player in the game to work together to make it lie any more than you can get them out of jita. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
gee ai
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Posted - 2008.06.21 00:30:00 -
[1006]
I had plan to train for piglrim but after I've found this thread Im really not sure.. The main reason was to fly warp-cloaked solo pvp ship. Any other recon ship is suitable for this role?
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Feng Schui
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.06.21 01:45:00 -
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All of them are capable of solo'ing, even the Pilgrim, however, I would say go with the Arazu or the Rapier.
I think the main problem with the Pilgrim is that while the other recons can engage higher tiered ships (battlecruisers, battleships, tackle carriers, etc..), the pilgrim is a "do or die" ship. All of the other recons can escape easily, except the Pilgrim.
This in itself wouldn't be so bad, if it had the capacitor & tank to support this type of fighting.
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Jenni Falorgen
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Posted - 2008.06.21 01:55:00 -
[1008]
stupid n00b question:
how does the drone capacity and bonuses of the non-amarr recons compare to the Pilgrim and Curse?
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Feng Schui
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.06.21 02:01:00 -
[1009]
Caldari = non existent iirc Gallente = 40 m3 Minmatar = 40 m3
TBH, I would use ECM drones on these ships, better for survivability.
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Jenni Falorgen
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Posted - 2008.06.21 02:22:00 -
[1010]
i read the first bunch of posts in this thread. the argument is very well thought out and clearly stated.
the problem is I didn't see much in the way talking about the these ships' drone capacity. the can hold 150m3, with bandwidth for 50m3.
there is a +10%/level bonus on dmg/hp/yield of all drones. at Cruiser 5 it's +50% Drone Interfacing 5 +100% dmg/hp/yield Combat Drone Ops 5 +25% dmg Scout Drone 5 +25km range Faction Drone Spec 5 +10% dmg Drone Durability 5 +25% hp shield/armor/hull EW Drone 5 +15km range
+ 2x Drone Link Augs (+20km range each)
base dmg on a Hammerhead 2 is 24hp, base range is 20km.
the Arbi and Recon cruisers are less than useless without at least 0.5mill in Drone SPs. the more drone specialized you are the more powerful these ships become.
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Cailais
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.06.22 22:29:00 -
[1011]
Yet another pilgrim bites the dust without so much as making a dent in my opponent(s). Why do I bother?
C.
VITOC - Amarr Corp for Faction Warfare! |
Tarron Sarek
Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2008.06.23 00:56:00 -
[1012]
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff A paper thin ship whose primary function (neut/nos) forces it to operate within web range?
Well this could be fixed by giving the Pilgrim the Nos/Neut range bonus instead of the amount bonus.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.23 02:14:00 -
[1013]
Originally by: Tarron Sarek
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff A paper thin ship whose primary function (neut/nos) forces it to operate within web range?
Well this could be fixed by giving the Pilgrim the Nos/Neut range bonus instead of the amount bonus.
No because neuts have sizes and the amount bonus is there to make neuts useful. Webs, TPs, scrams arent sized so they only need the range bonus. Neuts need 2 bonuses to be useful. This mean in short that pilgrim has been short of one bonus. If you change amount bonus to range bonus it will still suck badly. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
Tarron Sarek
Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2008.06.23 02:35:00 -
[1014]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Webs, TPs, scrams arent sized so they only need the range bonus.
Webs and Scrams are not racial EW, just like Nos. TPs are (like ECM, RSDs and TDs). So this is a bit apples and oranges. Especially since TPs (/RSDs/TDs) actually need their strength bonus.
Quote: Neuts need 2 bonuses to be useful.
I think you meant 'powerful'. To be useful I'd say it would already be nice to apply them without the certainty of dying soon after.
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Balance is power, guard hide it well
-Ceterum censeo Polycarbonem esse delendam-
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Feng Schui
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.06.23 03:47:00 -
[1015]
why don't we just get rid of the nos and TD bonuses, and give it a cargo bonus and mining amount bonus.. seriously.
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Depp Knight
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.25 02:26:00 -
[1016]
Originally by: Feng Schui why don't we just get rid of the nos and TD bonuses, and give it a cargo bonus and mining amount bonus.. seriously.
LOL, imagine if that actually happened.
Bump, hello, fix the pilgrim.
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Feng Schui
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.06.25 04:11:00 -
[1017]
My Pilgrim would be useful?
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.25 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tarron Sarek Webs and Scrams are not racial EW, just like Nos. TPs are (like ECM, RSDs and TDs). So this is a bit apples and oranges. Especially since TPs (/RSDs/TDs) actually need their strength bonus.
Recons are EW ships. Recons counter your own race with suitable bonuses. That is why minmatar recons get long webs+TDs to counter speedy ships for example. You can go anal all you like about the word but everything that is bonused on a recon is ELECTRONIC WARFARE in one way or another. Sure nos/neuts isnt technically ELECTRONIC warfare but that doesnt matter. You seem to be perfectly fine with falcon getting dual bonuses to EW, with you logic that would make the other recons suck because they only get one bonus to their EW?
So no, its not apples and oranges. The recons bonuses are balanced when you ADD up both bonuses together. Why the hell do you think people arent complaining about rapiers? Because long webs+tps are still good because webs are very good.
You just want to keep pilgrim nerfed because of a word technicality. Nos DOES need str AND range bonus to be useful. End of story. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
Anubis Hatak
OUTLAWZ IMMORTAL White Core
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Posted - 2008.06.25 13:56:00 -
[1019]
Yea a range bonus of about 70-100% on the nos/neuts would be good, then it's not a covert-ops cloaking curse but it has a 20-24km (non faction) nos/neut range.
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Madla Mafia
The Dead Man's Hand
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Posted - 2008.06.25 14:28:00 -
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If the pilgrim got this range bonus, LIKE ALL THE OTHER FORCE RECONS HAVE, then the problem would be solved. ------------------------------------------
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