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Hastur DragonTooth
Amarr coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.10 19:43:00 -
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Armed with pitchforks and torches, a hoard of True Amarr believers start their long march across the Atlantic to CCP headquarters, demading that justice be had for the pilgrim.
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LetsDoThis
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Posted - 2008.07.10 19:59:00 -
[1082]
I like the pilgrim its my exploration ship omg please don't nerf it!
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.07.11 02:00:00 -
[1083]
We fix can please pilgrim? ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.11 03:02:00 -
[1084]
Originally by: Diomidis
In larger gangs with BSs present, rook and huginn > curse IMHO, tho not as capable to solo stuff, and long range scram - even damps - have their uses too.
Having their uses is not playing support for Falcons.
Quote: The thing is that both Curse/Pilgrim and Arazu/Lachesis need to focus multiple Neut/Damp modules to really mess up a single target, while Minmatar and Caldari can cripple at least 2x targets.
Well said.
BTW, boost the Pilgrim. :)
-Liang -- The Universe has a really good firewall. Why else do you think nobody has hacked the Universe yet? |
Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.07.11 07:41:00 -
[1085]
Originally by: Erotic Irony
The task: bring the Pilgrim performance in line with other recons.
The limitation: The logic of its bonuses must be consistent with the other recons, you can't trade drone damage for neut range for example.
The premise:The energy neutralize amount bonus should be a multi-attribute skill much like drone interfacing. Should be neut amount & range rather splitting the two and trying to make the pilgrim competitive without shedding its EWAR, role bonus or cap war premise. This would give both the sentinel and the pilgrim a new lease on life, especially given how weak non battleship neuts are. Curse could have a capacitor amount or cap recharge bonus to replace the "lost" bonus as a result.
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Sejet
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Posted - 2008.07.11 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Erotic Irony
The task: bring the Pilgrim performance in line with other recons.
The limitation: The logic of its bonuses must be consistent with the other recons, you can't trade drone damage for neut range for example.
The premise:The energy neutralize amount bonus should be a multi-attribute skill much like drone interfacing. Should be neut amount & range rather splitting the two and trying to make the pilgrim competitive without shedding its EWAR, role bonus or cap war premise. This would give both the sentinel and the pilgrim a new lease on life, especially given how weak non battleship neuts are. Curse could have a capacitor amount or cap recharge bonus to replace the "lost" bonus as a result.
I agree for the most part, changing the Neut/Nos bonus to a two part bonus will let the Pilgrim (And Sentinel) be a lot more competative.
But, and it's a rather big one, the Curse is by no means in need of an extra ship bonus, if the result of all of this is to merge the amount and range bonus the addet bonus to the curse needs to be near useless. somthing like HAM RoF.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:34:00 -
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Ya know, when there was a potential carrier nerf, the forums had a whole 10 page thread, and dev's commented like whoa.
38? 39 pages, and not a ****ing word from ccp.
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Stabby McStabbins
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:08:00 -
[1088]
CCP belongs to the Caldari.... no reply imminent.
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.07.20 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Feng Schui Ya know, when there was a potential carrier nerf, the forums had a whole 10 page thread, and dev's commented like whoa.
38? 39 pages, and not a ****ing word from ccp.
Thats because the carrier nerf prompted an Alliance wail of despair - predominantly from Triumvirate but others followed suit. The pilgrim is a 'solo' ship and we all know what CCP feels about solo players.
C.
VITOC - Amarr Corp for Faction Warfare! |
Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.07.21 06:11:00 -
[1090]
Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Feng Schui Ya know, when there was a potential carrier nerf, the forums had a whole 10 page thread, and dev's commented like whoa.
38? 39 pages, and not a ****ing word from ccp.
Thats because the carrier nerf prompted an Alliance wail of despair - predominantly from Triumvirate but others followed suit. The pilgrim is a 'solo' ship and we all know what CCP feels about solo players.
C.
Carrier nerf would have posed a major problem for all alliances. It was not acceptable by anyone, especially cap heavy reliant alliances such as RA, BoB, MC, AAA, MM, RZR and many others. While MC may no longer exist it would have been a problem for them too. So as you can see the carrier nerf would have affected many people.
Recon noobishness only affects recon noobs. I know people who are solo gods in recons so the whine here is pointless. Hydrogen can't fly recons so complains. Recons were never meant to be flown alone so if you get wasted flying one solo take it to the forums and make 40 page threads about it because maybe somoene might care.
Hydrogen I didn't even read that wall of text of yours. It was horrible and it was drama by a drama queen. Please stop posting this nonsense, it's the same nerf titans, nerf carriers, dreads, battleships, battlecruisers, cruisers, frigates and then the most ridiculous are the pirares who miss out on a pod and then come to these forums and make threads about how pods need to get nerfed.
You want to fly an Amarr recon? Fit cap boosters. Don't want to fit cap boosters? Don't fly Amarr. Want to fly Amarr and whine incessantly about nothing? Give me your stuff and bye.
These noobie whine threads are ridiculous and I don't care whether you've been playing EVE from the day you were born or from the beginning of time. I'm not new to EVE either and all I see are whine threads. At least Goons learned that Titans aren't invincible and neither are Carriers or Dreads.
End of discussion. Farjung is my God |
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Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.07.21 06:13:00 -
[1091]
Originally by: Hastur DragonTooth
Armed with pitchforks and torches, a hoard of True Amarr believers start their long march across the Atlantic to CCP headquarters, demading that justice be had for the pilgrim.
Don't give CVA any idea's!! Farjung is my God |
Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.21 06:17:00 -
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So because fewer people fly amarr recon than fly carriers this topic is offlimits for discussion? On a forum created for discussing ships and their fits? Please.
If you had a point anywhere in your post, it might have been worth reading, but as is I consider it a waste of my time. You 'know people' who use the ship so of course it's fine. That's about as credible as you saying you saw a pilgrim win a fight in a video once, and so it's obviously fine. Or hell, maybe the 'friend' of yours is just some guy who made a video. Who knows. Point being, if you aren't flying it, if you aren't fitting it, if you aren't offering up any more argument than you know someone who flies it, then you aren't contributing anything except flames.
For someone complaining about lots of whines and dribble on the forums, you certainly let a lot of it spew out of your own mouth.
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.07.21 06:19:00 -
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I recently bought a new pilgrim.. ive maxed out the disrubter skilz so im going to get it a different shot..
The problem is i think with the optimal range so far away while the pilgrim fights up close range.. its just not logical.. www.garia.net |
BiggestT
Caldari Fun Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.21 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Stabby McStabbins CCP belongs to the Caldari.... no reply imminent.
yes thats why our ships are jove-like in comparison to others:
fear the mighty nighthawk run from the swift drake hide from the evil rook..
oh wait those ships are mediocre at best
fail post
poudly annoying fc's since 2007 |
Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.07.21 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well So because fewer people fly amarr recon than fly carriers this topic is offlimits for discussion? On a forum created for discussing ships and their fits? Please.
If you had a point anywhere in your post, it might have been worth reading, but as is I consider it a waste of my time. You 'know people' who use the ship so of course it's fine. That's about as credible as you saying you saw a pilgrim win a fight in a video once, and so it's obviously fine. Or hell, maybe the 'friend' of yours is just some guy who made a video. Who knows. Point being, if you aren't flying it, if you aren't fitting it, if you aren't offering up any more argument than you know someone who flies it, then you aren't contributing anything except flames.
For someone complaining about lots of whines and dribble on the forums, you certainly let a lot of it spew out of your own mouth.
You either lack the sp, the skill, the team or a combination of the three. My friend isn't dumb enough to make a film and give his secrets away but I have seen him in action and he is amazing, how many people do you know who dual account recons?. If you so desire to find out we can arrange a low sec system for you to experience the neut power of Amarr recons.
Don't level that recon skill to 5 it's a total waste of time! Level forum whining instead, your forum warrioring is weak. Farjung is my God |
Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.07.21 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: Liranan on 21/07/2008 07:34:10
Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 07/07/2008 00:06:44 I can say this honestly as a long time amarr recon pilot.... Stop crying... The curse is probably the best recon in game with a full rack of nuets and the pilgrim (while i would love to see a range bonus) is fine for solo hunting if you fit a booster and pick targets wisely. Ask yourself an honest question. If you were going solo pirating would you be caught dead in an arazu or a rapier, or for god's sake a falcon? Maybe the rapier, anything else is maddness. The real problem is that the ships were over-powered before and most people miss that power. Still a nuet curse will freaking solo own almost anything BC sized and smaller...sometimes even BS. Can any other recon do that? Your only problem might be passive drakes and HICs, but shouldn't every ship have a weakness? Honestly if you've lost a BS to a solo rapier, arazu or falcon you should probably be checking your fit, you should be able to tank the jesus out of anyone of them. They should lock this thread, its pointless.
I didn't think quoting was necessary but it is. All recon noobs with 0 experience should read that a few times.
Can I have your stuff before you self destruct and leave the game because you lost a ship with skills at lvl 1?
P.S. I myself have lost quite a few BC's and HAC's to Amarr recons. Farjung is my God |
Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.07.21 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Liranan
Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Feng Schui Ya know, when there was a potential carrier nerf, the forums had a whole 10 page thread, and dev's commented like whoa.
38? 39 pages, and not a ****ing word from ccp.
Thats because the carrier nerf prompted an Alliance wail of despair - predominantly from Triumvirate but others followed suit. The pilgrim is a 'solo' ship and we all know what CCP feels about solo players.
C.
Carrier nerf would have posed a major problem for all alliances. It was not acceptable by anyone, especially cap heavy reliant alliances such as RA, BoB, MC, AAA, MM, RZR and many others. While MC may no longer exist it would have been a problem for them too. So as you can see the carrier nerf would have affected many people.
Well DUHH! Isnt that my point?!!? The carrier nerf effected a large number of ALLIANCES led, predominantly by....carrier pilots...who promptly whipped up their underlings into a forum frenzy in order to get CCP to stop what were arguably needed changes.
Pilgrim Pilots are a miniscule % of the EVE player base - and so get ignored.
As for the rest of your trolling, Id agree the Amarr Combat Recon (Curse) is an excellent ship and I fly it almost exclusively. The Pilgrim is not. In fact I wouldnt mind if was 'not as good but not far off' but its nowhere near as capable: which is bonkers considering the skill requirements are broadly the same & using the same hull.
That's the argument here - not whether your mates cousins best mates brother thinks Amarr recons are 'teh pwn', which frankly is the poorest argument Ive read on this forum.
C.
VITOC - Amarr Corp for Faction Warfare! |
Ballamahamabad Madas
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Posted - 2008.07.22 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Liranan
Originally by: Boz Well So because fewer people fly amarr recon than fly carriers this topic is offlimits for discussion? On a forum created for discussing ships and their fits? Please.
If you had a point anywhere in your post, it might have been worth reading, but as is I consider it a waste of my time. You 'know people' who use the ship so of course it's fine. That's about as credible as you saying you saw a pilgrim win a fight in a video once, and so it's obviously fine. Or hell, maybe the 'friend' of yours is just some guy who made a video. Who knows. Point being, if you aren't flying it, if you aren't fitting it, if you aren't offering up any more argument than you know someone who flies it, then you aren't contributing anything except flames.
For someone complaining about lots of whines and dribble on the forums, you certainly let a lot of it spew out of your own mouth.
You either lack the sp, the skill, the team or a combination of the three. My friend isn't dumb enough to make a film and give his secrets away but I have seen him in action and he is amazing, how many people do you know who dual account recons?. If you so desire to find out we can arrange a low sec system for you to experience the neut power of Amarr recons.
Don't level that recon skill to 5 it's a total waste of time! Level forum whining instead, your forum warrioring is weak.
So you're saying that since your "friend" dual boxes with a curse and falcon, that the pilgrim is perfectly fine?
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Endless Subversion
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.07.22 14:27:00 -
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Quote: So you're saying that since your "friend" dual boxes with a curse and falcon, that the pilgrim is perfectly fine?
No, no, he's not JUST saying that, he's also implying his friend has some secret, never before seen uber setup and totally novel tactics that allow him to totally pwn everything in his amarr recons of doom (plus his other unspecified recon that he dual boxes).
Lol. Great addition to this thread. I'd like to read more by this champion!
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Madla Mafia
The Dead Man's Hand
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Posted - 2008.07.30 00:21:00 -
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So anyway, what's gonna happen with this ship then? Will it ever get fixed? Seems like CCP like to nerf thing beyond usefulness. Pilgrim - Dead. Nanos - Dead. Hello Caldari Online! ------------------------------------------
Amarr - getting screwed since 2005. |
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White Ronin
Gallente Screenout
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Posted - 2008.07.30 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais The pilgrim is a 'solo' ship and we all know what CCP feels about solo players.
C.
The one true truth. From CCP to the CSM, those who do not play the game as they want you get missions and a steaming hot cup of "shut the hell up". Enjoy.
P.S. - Drink that slow cause it's hot. --------------------------------------------- "There have always been ghosts in the machine . . . random segments of code that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. " |
Frankinator
Ascent of Ages Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.07.30 02:06:00 -
[1102]
Um, you obviously havent flown the Pilgrim on the test server lately. If anything its better now with the nano nerf.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.07.30 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Frankinator Um, you obviously havent flown the Pilgrim on the test server lately. If anything its better now with the nano nerf.
Better or not on sisi; Pilgrim still sucks. Sorry, but they need to give it RANGE just like other recons. End of story. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
whysoserious
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Posted - 2008.07.30 09:25:00 -
[1104]
Any news on this ship?
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Madla Mafia
The Dead Man's Hand
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:07:00 -
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Doesn't look like it. Pretty sure CCP has given up on this ship. Pilgrim = Bottom of the food chain. ------------------------------------------
Amarr - getting screwed since 2005. |
Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Madla Mafia Doesn't look like it. Pretty sure CCP has given up on this ship. Pilgrim = Bottom of the food chain.
Incorrect. If the nano-nerf patch goes through more or less as it is, then the pilgrim will be vastly improved. So much so that after just an hour on SISI I logged onto TQ and bought one.
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Aleus Stygian
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:41:00 -
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That's as may be, but the Pilgrim still faces rather sharp limitations, due to limits in bandwidth and the lack of use as a scout ship. And not only it; most other Force Recons feel sharp limitations. Certainly with the up and coming speed patch.
My suggestion is to give all Recon ships one more slot. In the Pilgrim's case this would be another high slot. In addition, one could either up the Pilgrim's cap by 15%, or place its speed on par on par with the Curse's, or increase its bandwidth by 10-25 Mbit/s, or increase any other stat(s) just minutely until it balances out.
As it is, without drastic fits or skills at their absolute peak, the Pilgrim is not very good at anything else than taking out unfortunate and less-skilled solo miners and ratters. And not everyone wants to be such a ***** as to use their ship for this only. They are also rather meaningless in fleet, and with their limited range this is understandable and intentional, but when this stretches out to not even providing a fleet function by opening the way for other ships...
Well, hopefully, and probably, Black Ops will be able to ignore cynojammers when they jump in the future, and so we'll see at least a small change on that last point.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.04 17:18:00 -
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Give range to pilgrim like all other force recons. NOW! ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
Ashaz
Mindstar Technology The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2008.08.04 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Give range to pilgrim like all other force recons. NOW!
yea what he/she said. How hard can it be to realize that this is the main issue with this ship?
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VJ Maverick
Caldari Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.08.04 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ashaz
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Give range to pilgrim like all other force recons. NOW!
yea what he/she said. How hard can it be to realize that this is the main issue with this ship?
I disagree. I prefer the drone bonus over a range bonus on this ship any day, especially with the upcoming changes. A close range, AB fitted pilgrim will be downright scary after the next patch.
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