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CCP Prism X
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:21:00 -
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Just a quick note: That agenda thing was a joke you know. My funny-harr-harr way of thanking you for making a to-the-point criticism with no added.. 'flavour'. I don't actually think this is a part of some greater conspiracy to force us to beef up the glorious empire.
Complimentary emoticon (cause I found the post lacking in them and I like typing excess nonsense.. cause that clicking sound is just so damn giving) after the colon:
~ Prism X EvE Ectoplasmic Database Developer, Relocating your character to a cozy, giant secure container since 2006. |
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Brianna Talnor
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:36:00 -
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I suddenly am not as depressed about the amarr being gimped. I have no idea why though? lol
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Darpz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Brianna Talnor I suddenly am not as depressed about the amarr being gimped. I have no idea why though? lol
because amarr caps are getting boosted even more?
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Redback911
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Darpz
Originally by: Brianna Talnor I suddenly am not as depressed about the amarr being gimped. I have no idea why though? lol
because amarr caps are getting boosted even more?
? What did I miss ?
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Druadan
Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:31:00 -
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/signed
Amarr boats need love :) MOAR DAMAGE!!!
Also known as the Oveur manoeuvre :)
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 26/10/2007 19:34:31
Originally by: Cosmo Raata I have no agenda really, for a long time I've been mad about the Amarr race being gimped, but its been so long now that I've mellowed out on the subject. If there is any agenda I have, its to stop the whine and hope we can all just get along like we did so long ago. That is all.
Sadly I think most people were with you on mellowing regarding Amarr. CCP had mentioned they felt Amarr needed a look many moons ago so, knowing their glacial pace, we waited (mostly) calmly. Of note though in their original mention of helping Amarr they said the Apoc needed some sort of role twist. Hardly a surprise to anyone...it is universally regarded as the most gimp battleship in EVE (it isn't even the best battleship miner anymore).
But then they hit us with the Paladin and what faith the community had that Amarr were being given a look went right out the window. Here was a perfect chance to make a decent Amarr ship. It's new, can be balanced with its peers right out of the gate. What do we get? A 600 million ISK Apoc clone. For me it is here where I stopped being mellow about it. The WORST battleship in EVE, a perfect chance to do something, and we get a SECOND Apoc (albeit with a nifty tractor beam bonus)?
Talk about a WTF!? moment. Honestly it felt like a slap in the face and ruined most everyone's notion that CCP is remotely thinking about this except perhaps as something on the bottom of the mountain that is their "To Do" box.
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gavhriel
Amarr Critical Analysis Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.10.26 21:00:00 -
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/signed
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Mastin Dragonfly
Absolutely No Return The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.10.26 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 26/10/2007 19:34:31
Originally by: Cosmo Raata I have no agenda really, for a long time I've been mad about the Amarr race being gimped, but its been so long now that I've mellowed out on the subject. If there is any agenda I have, its to stop the whine and hope we can all just get along like we did so long ago. That is all.
Sadly I think most people were with you on mellowing regarding Amarr. CCP had mentioned they felt Amarr needed a look many moons ago so, knowing their glacial pace, we waited (mostly) calmly. Of note though in their original mention of helping Amarr they said the Apoc needed some sort of role twist. Hardly a surprise to anyone...it is universally regarded as the most gimp battleship in EVE (it isn't even the best battleship miner anymore).
But then they hit us with the Paladin and what faith the community had that Amarr were being given a look went right out the window. Here was a perfect chance to make a decent Amarr ship. It's new, can be balanced with its peers right out of the gate. What do we get? A 600 million ISK Apoc clone. For me it is here where I stopped being mellow about it. The WORST battleship in EVE, a perfect chance to do something, and we get a SECOND Apoc (albeit with a nifty tractor beam bonus)?
Talk about a WTF!? moment. Honestly it felt like a slap in the face and ruined most everyone's notion that CCP is remotely thinking about this except perhaps as something on the bottom of the mountain that is their "To Do" box.
Sorta agree with this statement, if it weren't for the redesign of the Nightmare I'd prolly find myself cancelling my accounts, I still might, enough is enough. It's not that anything changed for the worse, it's just that CCP apparently isn't taking any of the Amarr complaints serious.
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Alt 363
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Posted - 2007.10.26 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Alt 363 on 26/10/2007 21:24:50 Nothing wrong with amarr except a select few ships:
Apoc Prophecy Maller Omen Paladin (in b4 crystal ball nonsense) Pilgrim Punisher
The rest are very strong in gangs. Great optimal range and tracking on lasers, and the khanid ships provide a very nice solo option with different damage types, and great tanks. Arguably the best capital ships in game also. Amarr have a very solid t2 lineup. Not solo monsters, perhaps, but who is, besides the gallente anyway? Amarr are solid gang ships through and through.
No, I don't think there is anything wrong with the Amarr ships as a whole, just a few tweaks are needed on the above ships (its mostly the "tank" ships really, and the pilgrim just got hit pretty hard by two successive nerfs, the ecm and nos nerfs).
Oh and they need a t1 astrometrics frig. Just change the laser bonus on the crucifier to the scan bonus to be honest, it says in the description that it was an exploration ship to begin with anyway.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.10.26 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 26/10/2007 21:40:05
Originally by: Alt 363 The rest are very strong in gangs. Great optimal range and tracking on lasers, and the khanid ships provide a very nice solo option with different damage types, and great tanks. Arguably the best capital ships in game also. Amarr have a very solid t2 lineup. Not solo monsters, perhaps, but who is, besides the gallente anyway? Amarr are solid gang ships through and through.
I disagree in general. First off Pulse have the worst tracking of the close weapon systems. Beams have the best. This is fine but be clear it is not across the board.
Second while many Amarr ships are ok they are never a first choice. Barring the Geddon and maybe Damnation can you think of any Amarr ship you'd pick first given the choice (sub-cap ship and assume you had max skills in everything and could choose anything)?
Sure some ships in Amarr are fine but watch the last tournament. That was small gang warfare at its best. How many Amarr ships did you see represented? Not many is the answer (Guardian seemed semi-popular for that role...otherwise almost none).
And what good ships Amarr had have been nerfed. Curse, Pilgrim and the Arbitrator soon (and notably none of those ships were laser boats).
Amarr might be ok(ish) but they are almost never "good".
EDIT: You are also missing the miserable fitting reqs on Beam lasers
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Menkaure
Amarr Vanitas Corp.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 21:45:00 -
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To the above peeps, can we respect the wishes of the original poster and not talk about Amarrian flaws in this thread?
We've heard every side of every argument several thousand times now, and this thread wasn't supposed to do that.
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Alt 363
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Posted - 2007.10.26 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 26/10/2007 21:40:05
Originally by: Alt 363 The rest are very strong in gangs. Great optimal range and tracking on lasers, and the khanid ships provide a very nice solo option with different damage types, and great tanks. Arguably the best capital ships in game also. Amarr have a very solid t2 lineup. Not solo monsters, perhaps, but who is, besides the gallente anyway? Amarr are solid gang ships through and through.
I disagree in general. First off Pulse have the worst tracking of the close weapon systems. Beams have the best. This is fine but be clear it is not across the board.
Second while many Amarr ships are ok they are never a first choice. Barring the Geddon and maybe Damnation can you think of any Amarr ship you'd pick first given the choice (sub-cap ship and assume you had max skills in everything and could choose anything)?
Sure some ships in Amarr are fine but watch the last tournament. That was small gang warfare at its best. How many Amarr ships did you see represented? Not many is the answer (Guardian seemed semi-popular for that role...otherwise almost none).
And what good ships Amarr had have been nerfed. Curse, Pilgrim and the Arbitrator soon (and notably none of those ships were laser boats).
Amarr might be ok(ish) but they are almost never "good".
EDIT: You are also missing the miserable fitting reqs on Beam lasers
I have little problems tracking with pulse, especially at their longer ranges. And the tournament? Are you really using that as basis for what you think is small gang pvp? You didn't see almost any minmatar ships at all (the ones you saw got slaughtered) but minmatar are popular in small gang pvp. Amarr are generally weaker at the smaller spectrum of gang sizes (but still useful!) but as they get bigger, amarr really starts coming into its own due to the high ranges of pulse lasers which allow for quicker killing due to less moving around.
I think a solution, perhaps, to the amarr whining that amarr have no versatility, is to turn ALL of the "tankey" (useless) ships into versatile drone/midslot/missile ships. Good for solo and small gang, but poor for larger stuff, where the laser boats shine.
As far as beams fitting, I think perhaps the small/medium ones need a fitting boost, forgot to mention that one. Agreed with you there. But large are fine, solely due to the fact that amarr beam battleships have by far the best long range DPS even with the harsh fitting (requiring RCU IIs often).
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.10.26 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Menkaure To the above peeps, can we respect the wishes of the original poster and not talk about Amarrian flaws in this thread?
We've heard every side of every argument several thousand times now, and this thread wasn't supposed to do that.
I'd agree except I think the OP has been answered (oddly enough) by not being answered by the Devs. Yes one nicely popped in but was pointedly non-committal. By now I would assume Wrangler and the rest have swung by this and they are not posting either.
Too bad. I did hope the OP would get the answer he sought.
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Cosmo Raata
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.26 21:59:00 -
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Guys, lets try to stay on topic. We all know Amarr suck and those that disagree either haven't flown Amarr enough, are just those type of people that accept everything as fine or they have a distaste for them and will argue against them regardless of logic.
The point is we just want to know if there is still something in the work....Paladin sucks, but if they boosted damage then it might be fine. I dont have a lot of hope anymore, I just want a simple yes or no, if the devs feel kind enough to elaborate then happy day, but I am only shooting for a yes or no answer.
There are literally hundreds of threads & 10's of thousands of posts about Amarr, what should be done & how CCP has failed. Let those things stay in those threads. Keep this one clean and perhaps a dev will come along & dip their toes in.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.10.26 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 26/10/2007 22:02:00 NM
I should not be hijacking this thread. Sorry...still hoping for a Dev response too.
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Alt 363
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Posted - 2007.10.26 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Alt 363 on 26/10/2007 22:08:54
Originally by: Cosmo Raata Guys, lets try to stay on topic. We all know Amarr suck and those that disagree either haven't flown Amarr enough, are just those type of people that accept everything as fine or they have a distaste for them and will argue against them regardless of logic.
Nice way to insult people that don't take your dogmatic whines as gospel. Funny how the Amarr, a race known for their blind religious views, are played by people so adamant in their almost religious belief that they are right and everyone else is clearly uninformed.
And no, you can't make a thread and decide what people are allowed to reply with and who is allowed to or not. I'm not going to let you make a thread where you get all your buddies to chime in with a /signed or /agreed without anyone able to show that they disagree. If the devs want to chime in they'll do it whether they want to or not, not because you created a candlelight vigil of sympathizers outside their window.
I think I was being pretty civil, but I guess thats not enough? You just don't want the devs to see that not everyone agrees with you.
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Cosmo Raata
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.26 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Alt 363 Rabble
Wrangler, please remove this alts posts, I dont need an illegal poster hijacking my thread insulting me and those that wish to post in here.
Don't Ban me for my Love of Amarr! |
Malashek Vatrii
Kaminjosvig
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Posted - 2007.10.26 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmo Raata
Originally by: Alt 363 Rabble
Wrangler, please remove this alts posts, I dont need an illegal poster hijacking my thread insulting me and those that wish to post in here.
QFT..
I just did that to a BoB post.. I feel so dirty!
Jokes... seriously though, Amarr have serious issues! I can't outline them all, there's no point, but some sort of buff needs to come our way. Cruiser and the like of Amarr just aren't used in PvP (well, rarely). * * * *
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Alt 363
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.26 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Alt 363 on 26/10/2007 22:33:04
Originally by: Cosmo Raata
Originally by: Alt 363 Rabble
Wrangler, please remove this alts posts, I dont need an illegal poster hijacking my thread insulting me and those that wish to post in here.
Some ego you have, if you think that me politely disagreeing you equates to insulting you. On the contrary, you in fact are insulting me by implying that I know not of what I speak of. And you are in fact insulting me by decreeing that people that disagree with you are "not allowed" to post in your thread. I'm afraid this is not your personal forum where you can ban those who have opposing viewpoints, Cosmo.
I would like to make it clear that I do not mean any disrespect to anyone, nor do I intend to insult anyone by my previous posts. Just putting in my "two cents", as it were. As I am entitled to.
The devs will reply when they want. Me posting my opinion in your thread will not change whether they want to reply or not.
Also, this is not CAOD, alts are in fact allowed here.
Anyway, I am done in this thread, you have nothing to fear now. I have put my point across and I hope everyone will respect it, as I respect your right to make this thread.
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Cosmo Raata
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.26 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Alt 363 Edited by: Alt 363 on 26/10/2007 22:33:04
Originally by: Cosmo Raata
Originally by: Alt 363 Rabble
Wrangler, please remove this alts posts, I dont need an illegal poster hijacking my thread insulting me and those that wish to post in here.
Some ego you have, if you think that me politely disagreeing you equates to insulting you. On the contrary, you in fact are insulting me by implying that I know not of what I speak of. And you are in fact insulting me by decreeing that people that disagree with you are "not allowed" to post in your thread. I'm afraid this is not your personal forum where you can ban those who have opposing viewpoints, Cosmo.
I would like to make it clear that I do not mean any disrespect to anyone, nor do I intend to insult anyone by my previous posts. Just putting in my "two cents", as it were. As I am entitled to.
The devs will reply when they want. Me posting my opinion in your thread will not change whether they want to reply or not.
Also, this is not CAOD, alts are in fact allowed here.
Anyway, I am done in this thread, you have nothing to fear now. I have put my point across and I hope everyone will respect it, as I respect your right to make this thread.
You are right, this isn't CAOD, but the same courtesy in General Discussion would be nice. Alts posting against anything/everything they want to....I dont understand why you can't/won't post with a main, its quite cowardice. Oh & you did insult me, I am not some freak religious Amarr player, I simply trained the race 4 years ago & have maxed out my training with them. Glad to hear you are leaving this thread alone though, you were doing nothing be detracting from what I was asking for in "MY THREAD".
Don't Ban me for my Love of Amarr! |
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Major Death
Caldari Space Salvage Incorperated
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Posted - 2007.10.26 23:07:00 -
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If all my Gallente Skill points (Ships plus Hybrids) got reassigned to Amarr ships and weapons I wouldn't complain. Heck if I could go back to 2006 I would have made an Amarr character. Although I might hurl abuse from time to time I completely agree with the OP.
My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) |
Morkus Rex
Cereus Research
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Posted - 2007.10.27 08:08:00 -
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I will sign this ___ To die while serving the Empire is the hope of every Amarrian. |
Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.10.27 08:34:00 -
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I'll sign this, but do remember people wasting their time on a forum and "whining" about internetz space ships does mean those actually care enough about the game to post. ---
-The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
shinsushi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.27 21:11:00 -
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bump
++++++++++ AMARR - Taking it up the butt since 2005
Fixing Laser Boats 101 |
Gort
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2007.10.27 21:30:00 -
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I'll give this a bump.
I remember back in the day when flying Matari was "playing Eve on the hard setting" and in those days Amarr ships pretty much just vaporized mine.
Now I can't remember when was the last time I saw an Apoc or Geddon in space.
The wheel turns slowly, but we can hope it keeps turning.
Meanwhile, one has to fly Amarr with a kind of reverse-pride, sort of how the infantryman holds his head up when the aviators drive by in their limos....
Respectfully,
Gort
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Erim Solfara
Amarr House of Solfara
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Posted - 2007.10.28 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Senghir
Originally by: Lucius Dracus /signed.
Amarr are still my favorite race because we do have the coolest looking ships but I think we do need an overhaul, or at least SOMETHING to make us viable vs other races.
And Khanid MK2 is not a fix, it's just turning us into Caldari, and while I like Caldari, I didn't choose Amarr so I could play Caldari.
Amen to that!!! Finally I've found someone else who thinks the same (are there more?). To me, Khanid MKII wasnt about improving Amarr, it was just about trying to lure players away from Caldari ships and by giving them a new ship class that they didnt have to spend half a year training the weapon skills for, they did that.
/sign
Next time we get an improvement, how about it being to the core of the Amarr ships and not just a T2 sub-group? It's hard enough for new players as it is seeing all this stuff come out that they will never be able to fly for months. Not that I'm a new player but I know how I felt when I started.
Khanid now have as much to do with Amarr as human-rights associations, both group are made up of people, they just don't see eye to eye on anything...
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Agetec Core
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Posted - 2007.10.28 07:59:00 -
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Tricky lil dev Still no answers eh?
/signed for answers
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Phantom Slave
Amarr Mozzaki United
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Posted - 2007.10.28 18:11:00 -
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So I guess we're never going to see a Game Design Dev reply to this?
Oh well, we can try again next year.
P.S. Thanks again Prism, for replying to this thread ____________________
Pirating in EVE is like kicking a squirrel and stealing his food. The squirrel hates you afterwards, but it's fun none the less. |
magnus amadeus
Amarr Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2007.10.28 20:21:00 -
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I'll give this a bump. _________________________________________________ Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you down with experience. |
Cosmo Raata
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.28 23:45:00 -
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Oomph
Don't Ban me for my Love of Amarr! |
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