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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.11 01:12:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:[So what your saying is that what The Mittani wrote is wrong or is he just incompetent. http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/75"Goonswarm is the first and largest example of a community-born group. Goonswarm hails from Somethingawful.com" I got my facts from the horses mouth as it were, where are you getting yours from? You are aware that we have allies, right? Always have? Always will? Hint: they're not from SA.
Yes I am aware that you have allies and they are not from SA but goons are different due to the fact they are really not part of the EVE culture. I stated that I was concerned about Goons on the CSM as they are not part of the EVE community, and The Mittani backs me up
As The Mittani stated "What makes a pilot in Goonswarm alien compared to the rest of the so-called GÇÿEVE communityGÇÖ? The answer is community itself - external community, independent from Eve Online. As the game has matured, there are now two classes of player, radically different in mindset - the EVE-born and the community-born. "
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Takashi Kaeda
Perkone Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.03.11 02:03:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Takashi Kaeda wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Interesting post by Mittens, that translates as: EVE favors the kind of people who don't need EVE for anything, thus can kill it without any personal consequence.
So to translate your translation what your saying is Mittens does care about the future of EVE. Oh and BTW where did you get your populations demographics data the only one I can find is the 2010 4th quarter report that says 11.26% Null space population. Very strange that the Null population prior to December 2010 was never changed much but now your stating it almost doubled in the last 12 months. Mittens worries about the SA community, namely the Goonwaffe. He's proud of it. But then Goonwaffe are less than 3% of the player base. As for the population numbers, CCP Diagoras tweeted them, somebody quoted him, and I quote the guy who quoted CCP Diagora's tweet. Very sound data sourcing, CCP style. The data are from october 2011, IIRC. Except you are too ******** to distinguish characters from players. But please, continue. How original argument. Wait a minute, I look for the answer from the FAQ: - The argument that "characters don't equal players" can be used in both directions: characters in hisec or nullsec can be randomly claimed to be alts to players mainly living on the other side of the divide. This doesn't dimishes the argument that players choose to place most of their characters in hisec.Any more questions?
Except that if you stop to think how EVE is structured for just a second you'd realize what a wet paper bag your argument is and why most characters are in nullsec..
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
269
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Posted - 2012.03.11 02:25:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Yes I am aware that you have allies and they are not from SA but goons are different due to the fact they are really not part of the EVE culture. I stated that I was concerned about Goons on the CSM as they are not part of the EVE community, and The Mittani backs me up
As The Mittani stated "What makes a pilot in Goonswarm alien compared to the rest of the so-called GÇÿEVE communityGÇÖ? The answer is community itself - external community, independent from Eve Online. As the game has matured, there are now two classes of player, radically different in mindset - the EVE-born and the community-born. "
Hahaha, check out this space nativism. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.11 02:50:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Yes I am aware that you have allies and they are not from SA but goons are different due to the fact they are really not part of the EVE culture. I stated that I was concerned about Goons on the CSM as they are not part of the EVE community, and The Mittani backs me up
As The Mittani stated "What makes a pilot in Goonswarm alien compared to the rest of the so-called GÇÿEVE communityGÇÖ? The answer is community itself - external community, independent from Eve Online. As the game has matured, there are now two classes of player, radically different in mindset - the EVE-born and the community-born. "
Hahaha, check out this space nativism.
Not quite sure what your getting at there. Will admit would be nice if you used an alt that was at least 60 days old or better yet showed who you really were. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
269
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Posted - 2012.03.11 03:00:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Not quite sure what your getting at there. Will admit would be nice if you used an alt that was at least 60 days old or better yet showed who you really were.
Would be nice if you used an alt with more than 4 likes. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.11 03:10:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Not quite sure what your getting at there. Will admit would be nice if you used an alt that was at least 60 days old or better yet showed who you really were.
Would be nice if you used an alt with more than 4 likes.
Actually not an alt. Sorry to disappoint. Hell if my alts had this many SP I would be laughing. I only have 4 likes as I don't involve myself in trivial issues. Most things I post about are the CSM and things like botting or the lovely Sumer of Rage. But I spose I should thank you for allowing me to continue on my 10,000 hours of practice. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.03.11 09:45:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: just come clean and say vote for issler is all about the wis I noticed you really dodged the a vote for mittens there. Is this because a vote for mittens isn't a vote for eve? As it goes into in Sins of a spy master 75 http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/75Goons are recruited from Somethingawful.com quite often before they have even commenced playing EVE. So goons are recruited outside the EVE community, then they are surrounded and nurtured by the Goonswarm fleet. Never having been real newbies or having been a part of the EVE community as a whole. This probably explains why a large part (I will admit not all) of the goonswarm fleet seem so different from us. And on your post a vote for issler is not all about Wis, there is so much more to this game and she has made her opinions clear to all who look. I will admit I myself would prefer a lot more done with Wis. That is due to my belief that Newbies are the way forward. If things stay as they are and CCP can see no expanding profits they may decide to sell the game or focus on another game again like they did before with Dust and World of Darkness.. Then who knows what will happen to the game it might even become Pay 2 Win Yuck. Interesting post by Mittens, that translates as: EVE favors the kind of people who don't need EVE for anything, thus can kill it without any personal consequence. oh yes the important voice of the greater I and F Taxation Trust community, which translate into hey guys check out my new space barbie avatar Mr. Epeen do you like it?
confirming the goons are going to kill eve online and along with it all the ingame sov, assets and out of game web infrastructure, just for some goddamn giggles because we are the kind of people who don't need EVE for anything, thus can kill it without any personal consequence.
oh and i voted for the mittani because he is mankind's last salvation against the scourge of frivolous frill avatar social gaming emote nongameplay. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.03.11 09:47:00 -
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oh and, Indahmawar Fazmarai why don't you tell us a bit more on that emoting and dance thing that you really want because without it eve is really dying. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.11 10:18:00 -
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issler issler issler how many of your votes are dirty like this
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...)
Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that.
Adaris wrote:I would very much like if the short term focus for Incarna was on a three-fold approach:
- Avatar expression (emote system) - Avatar customization (clothes, tattoos, hair styles, body elements etc) - Avatar socializing (facilitating more avatars being in the same location as one another)
Customization, for the most part is stand-alone. Expression is tied to socializing though, so the issue with the graphical demands of having multiple avatars in the same location needs to be addressed. If we can get a system whereby the facility to invite a set amount of avatars to the same location is possible, then much has been achieved for future iteration.
I would talk about what type of environments and activities should follow these three themes, but that should be considered more long term, especially with just one Dev Team assigned right now.
I am unsure if the current team has the technical expertise to address the issues of having multiple avatars occupy the same CQs though, but perhaps the expansion of expression through emotes (likely through the chat system) could follow alongside the continued work on avatar customization.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1787
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Posted - 2012.03.11 10:28:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Mr Epeen
Still signing your posts, still jealous of Mittens.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.03.11 11:06:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Mr Epeen Still signing your posts, still jealous of Mittens.
Hell I am He has an army of sheep at his disposal, massive amounts of isk and a huge trek of space to call his own.
As the top member of his Politburo he has a lot to be jealous of.
I may not like his politics or style but you have to love what he has got for himself and the other members of his politburo. Also the players I suppose that would be the members of the Goon Socialist-Democratic Workers Party, haven't fared to badly either. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
308
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Posted - 2012.03.11 15:04:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Yes I am aware that you have allies and they are not from SA but goons are different due to the fact they are really not part of the EVE culture. I stated that I was concerned about Goons on the CSM as they are not part of the EVE community, and The Mittani backs me up
You might have missed the way that the "Goon Culture" has basically infected the rest of Eve at this stage - you can't throw a stone in this game without it hitting some guy calling another guy a Pubbie, or talking about a Failure Cascade or Internet Spaceships and how they are Serious Business. ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
912
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:56:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Mr Epeen Still signing your posts, still jealous of Mittens.
A vote for mittens is a vote for mittens. A vote for Issler is a vote for EVE.
To the top and confirming I will be shortly logging in acct five and six to cast my votes for EVE and not ego.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Carl Thunderthise
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.03.11 19:08:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
Actually I would have gone for "And remember. A vote for Mittens is a vote for a community. A vote for Issler is a vote for the EVE community.
True! My vote is placed. Go Issler!
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Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
10
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Posted - 2012.03.11 22:28:00 -
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Issler is running for a place on the CSM for the right reasons - the idea that all the diverse activities players do in EVE and all the areas of the game should be represented to CCP as they go forward developing this game we like. I don't see how that could be a bad thing at all. She may or may not agree with an idea, but at least she'll listen to it without contempt... |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.11 23:20:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:A vote for mittens is a vote for mittens. A vote for Issler is a vote for EVE. To the top and confirming I will be shortly logging in acct five and six to cast my votes for EVE and not ego. Mr Epeen
A vote for Issler is a vote for space barbie faggotry.
Using long words doesn't change the fact that she (he?) supports anti-eve crap. We need a strong csm who can keep ccp focused on eve, and not making another captains quarters to show off in ads. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2587
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Posted - 2012.03.12 00:09:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Mr Epeen Still signing your posts, still jealous of Mittens. A vote for mittens is a vote for mittens. A vote for Issler is a vote for EVE. To the top and confirming I will be shortly logging in acct five and six to cast my votes for EVE and not ego. Mr Epeen thanks for wasting your votes on a pubbie with no chance whatsoever goonswarm appreciates you taking those votes out of the pool |
Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
10
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Posted - 2012.03.12 00:10:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote: A vote for Issler is a vote for space barbie faggotry.
Using long words doesn't change the fact that she (he?) supports anti-eve crap. We need a strong csm who can keep ccp focused on eve, and not making another captains quarters to show off in ads.
"Long words"?....sorry... Issler is a she. Sure don't have to look very hard to see the hate being thrown around. Please, keep it up, you are painting a clear picture.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
916
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Posted - 2012.03.12 00:18:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Mr Epeen Still signing your posts, still jealous of Mittens. A vote for mittens is a vote for mittens. A vote for Issler is a vote for EVE. To the top and confirming I will be shortly logging in acct five and six to cast my votes for EVE and not ego. Mr Epeen thanks for wasting your votes on a pubbie with no chance whatsoever goonswarm appreciates you taking those votes out of the pool
No... thank you!
You and all the other little bees fearfully buzzing around this thread trying desperately to discredit the only balanced candidate. All you are really accomplishing is drawing more and more attention to her platform and showing mittens cowering behind his army of shitposting alts.
You're not doing yourselves any favors but keep it up because you are doing favors for others.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.03.12 00:31:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes I am aware that you have allies and they are not from SA but goons are different due to the fact they are really not part of the EVE culture. I stated that I was concerned about Goons on the CSM as they are not part of the EVE community, and The Mittani backs me up You might have missed the way that the "Goon Culture" has basically infected the rest of Eve at this stage - you can't throw a stone in this game without it hitting some guy calling another guy a Pubbie, or talking about a Failure Cascade or Internet Spaceships and how they are Serious Business.
Yes a few minor quotes have made it out of Goon swarm. Yes Internet spaceships are serious business. Very Serious, which is a very good reason for Goons to be in the minority .
I suppose I would consider Goons a more reasonable idea, if you ever heard a reasonable percentage of Goonswarm disagreeing with Mittens rather than all of the members of the Goon Socialist-Democratic Workers Party, towing the party line.
Why is that comrade? Do you get shot for treason? |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:22:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I suppose I would consider Goons a more reasonable idea, if you ever heard a reasonable percentage of Goonswarm disagreeing with Mittens rather than all of the members of the Goon Socialist-Democratic Workers Party, towing the party line.
Why is that comrade? Do you get shot for treason?
This of course makes the ridiculous assumption that Mittens' ideas are 100% his own concoction and have nothing to do with elements of the game that the literal thousands of pilots that fly under his coalition banner encounter every day. That's just silly though! |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
269
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:23:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Goon Socialist-Democratic Workers Party
You say that like it's a bad thing. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:32:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I suppose I would consider Goons a more reasonable idea, if you ever heard a reasonable percentage of Goonswarm disagreeing with Mittens rather than all of the members of the Goon Socialist-Democratic Workers Party, towing the party line.
Why is that comrade? Do you get shot for treason? This of course makes the ridiculous assumption that Mittens' ideas are 100% his own concoction and have nothing to do with elements of the game that the literal thousands of pilots that fly under his coalition banner encounter every day.
Yes I'm sure the other members of the politburo help on his ideas.
As one of the members of your collective describes here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=922618#post922618
If you don't tow the party line your banned from forums and left out in the cold to rot. Yes very democratic. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:37:00 -
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I should be upset that someone's pulling back the curtain on how we really do operate, but in all honesty, that guy's going to get disappeared, so I really just kind of feel sorry for his friends. Figures you'd use this to gloat, though. Have you no shame? He literally stakes his life to get the truth out, and do you offer help to those of us who are trapped? No, you gloat like the shameless self-absorbed publord scum that you are.
How do you even sleep at night? |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:55:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:I should be upset that someone's pulling back the curtain on how we really do operate, but in all honesty, that guy's going to get disappeared, so I really just kind of feel sorry for his friends. Figures you'd use this to gloat, though. Have you no shame? He literally stakes his life to get the truth out, and do you offer help to those of us who are trapped? No, you gloat like the shameless self-absorbed publord scum that you are. How do you even sleep at night? heh must have been a space barbie lovin deviant
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.03.12 02:22:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:I should be upset that someone's pulling back the curtain on how we really do operate, but in all honesty, that guy's going to get disappeared, so I really just kind of feel sorry for his friends. Figures you'd use this to gloat, though. Have you no shame? He literally stakes his life to get the truth out, and do you offer help to those of us who are trapped? No, you gloat like the shameless self-absorbed publord scum that you are. How do you even sleep at night?
Actually I feel a great sense of honor to know that people with Morals do exist in the Goonswarm. Ok he wont be existing for long. But this is besides the point.
Due to his courage we now know that when The Mittani talks of a mandate from the people. He is full of it. "Mandate (politics), the power granted by an electorate" Its hardly granted by an electorate if you have forced them to vote in a specific way.
Frankly behavior like this is really beneath the CSM. I really does make the CSM into a joke. You expect some forms of devious behavior from CSM candidates (Like the email spam) but Extorting votes should really be against the rules of the CSM election it is vote fixing.
Extortion (also called shakedown, outwresting, and exaction) is a criminal offence which occurs when a person unlawfully obtains either money, property or services from a person(s), entity, or institution, through coercion. Refraining from doing harm is sometimes euphemistically called protection. Extortion is commonly practiced by organized crime groups. The actual obtainment of money or property is not required to commit the offense. Making a threat of violence which refers to a requirement of a payment of money or property to halt future violence is sufficient to commit the offense. Exaction refers not only to extortion or the unlawful demanding and obtaining of something through force,[1] but additionally, in its formal definition, means the infliction of something such as pain and suffering or making somebody endure something unpleasant. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.03.12 02:36:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Frankly behavior like this is really beneath the CSM. I really does make the CSM into a joke. You expect some forms of devious behavior from CSM candidates (Like the email spam) but Extorting votes should really be against the rules of the CSM election it is vote fixing.
You don't get this, do you? This goes so far beyond the CSM and extorting votes. Everything, EVERYTHING any of us do is solely for Mittani's benefit. Every anomaly, every asteroid mined (yes, he forces us to mine - I think it's just for his amusement), every last scrap of loot from whatever PVP success we fall backwards into - it ALL goes to him. Him personally, too, not the corp, or the alliance. The CSM is just another vanity project for him.
Life is hell in this alliance. We get nothing, are forced to fly ships we don't want to fly, forced to fight for regions and moons we see absolutely no benefit from, forced to rat, forced to mine. Some poor sacks are even forced to SCAM - can you imagine how degrading that is? None of us have a choice. Some of us yearn to be a part of something else, but there's fear - he has spies all over. Many, many people would sell out anyone for his favor. I shouldn't even be saying any of this, but I just don't care anymore. At this point, getting kicked and hunted until I have nothing left would be putting me out of my misery.
Please, help spread the word. There's probably no hope, but people need to learn ~the truth~ about him, and about us. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1790
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Posted - 2012.03.12 02:55:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I suppose I would consider Goons a more reasonable idea, if you ever heard a reasonable percentage of Goonswarm disagreeing with Mittens rather than all of the members of the Goon Socialist-Democratic Workers Party, towing the party line.
Why is that comrade? Do you get shot for treason? This of course makes the ridiculous assumption that Mittens' ideas are 100% his own concoction and have nothing to do with elements of the game that the literal thousands of pilots that fly under his coalition banner encounter every day. Yes I'm sure the other members of the politburo help on his ideas. As one of the members of your collective describes here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=922618#post922618If you don't tow the party line your banned from forums and left out in the cold to rot. Yes very democratic.
Look at you falling for trolls.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.03.12 03:10:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I suppose I would consider Goons a more reasonable idea, if you ever heard a reasonable percentage of Goonswarm disagreeing with Mittens rather than all of the members of the Goon Socialist-Democratic Workers Party, towing the party line.
Why is that comrade? Do you get shot for treason? This of course makes the ridiculous assumption that Mittens' ideas are 100% his own concoction and have nothing to do with elements of the game that the literal thousands of pilots that fly under his coalition banner encounter every day. Yes I'm sure the other members of the politburo help on his ideas. As one of the members of your collective describes here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=922618#post922618If you don't tow the party line your banned from forums and left out in the cold to rot. Yes very democratic. Look at you falling for trolls.
Yes Snow Axe is a troll but this doesn't lessen the extortion and vote rigging apparently committed by The Mittani in this election. Personally I believe he should be removed from the Ballot for attempting to destroy a democratic process. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.03.12 03:16:00 -
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confirming the mittani is forcing me to vote for spaceships instead of pants and emoting One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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