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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
552
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:36:00 -
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The change in the CSM elections and the Iceland face to face meeting attendance make it even more important that the Eve general population get involved in the upcoming elections. To that end I am anouncing I will be running and organizing the "Voice of Reason Party". Let me explain my plans and ask for your support (but maybe not in the way you think).
The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
Basically folk that often are discarded as "carebears" but make up a huge portion of the Eve population. A group that has not had representaion for a long time in the CSM.
So "Issler", you say, there may be many folks that would want to run supporting those players. I would say "yes, I hope there are!"
I am asking anyone who will be running to support this segment of Eve to declare themselves as part of the "Voice of Reason" party. We will organize and debate in the public spaces of Eve to narrow the field to the best two candidates and refine our party planks using some "party voting" (method TBD) and then ask any that would support our party put their support behind the best of us. If we organize we could easily have the chair and another Iceland bound seat!
So "bears", will you join me in finding the right candidates, get our supporters energized and take back the CSM???
I will be putting considerable energy in getting folks from our party elected and those folks don't have to include me, lets find and elect the best!
Together we cannot be defeated!!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 candidate Member of the Voice of Reason Party
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Goonswarm Recruitment
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:43:00 -
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I hereby declare myself to be the voice of reason party. |
Deltor Griffith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:43:00 -
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I declare myself part of the voice of reason party (VOR) |
Einde
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:44:00 -
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I declare myself a voice of reason. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:44:00 -
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I am a carebear and I support this message. |
Laranzu Talshiar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:44:00 -
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Running the Voice of Treason party here. |
Samahiel Sotken
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:45:00 -
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I am a carebear and I support this message. |
Lana Nastee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:46:00 -
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I am part of the 1% and I am a voice of reason! |
That One Guy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:48:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
Please down throw lowsec into your list when talking about uniting carebears.
Seriously, fly into lowsec (assuming carebears are brave enough to fly into lowsec) and ask the people there how enthused they are about some of the other things on your list, like Walking in Stations.
It looks like you just threw together a list of people you know exist in eve with no concept of how to accurately represent their interests. You might as well have thrown "People who fly space ships" in that list because, "Oh wow I fly a space ship! Better vote for that guy, he is looking out for me." |
Bartholemu Fu-Baz
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:03:00 -
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Looks like da goons approve (and/or want to subvert and kill as quickly as possible).
Color me interested (in a non-goon capacity). |
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Olleybear
I R' Carebear
26
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:32:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
Heya Issler. I've seen you flying in space on more than a few occasions and recognize you by name.
In your OP you are saying you intend to represent these groups in that list.
My questions:
How do you intend to represent these groups? What specific issues are these groups of people complaining about and what are you ideas to fix and present them to CCP? What are some of the current CSM issues that were covered in the CSM minutes that you agree or disagree with? Of those issues that you disagree with, why do you disagree and do you have an idea on what to do differently?
These may be some hard questions to answer, but answering them will steer you away from the "marketing propoganda" and into the area of "I understand Eve and its issues".
Fly safe o/ When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
157
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:04:00 -
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My question is...
WHY U NO LIKE WORMHOLES!?!
What the hell!
:P
Poopie head!
(JK dude - needed to throw a fit somewhere tonight!)
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
252
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:19:00 -
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lol too late Issler, I hear Chribba, a guy who's show little if any interest in the CSM and what comes with it, is being championed by carebears as their champion
so I think it's safe to say that the evil nullsec people's days are numbered |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
209
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Posted - 2012.01.26 06:15:00 -
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rabblerabblerabble |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2666
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Posted - 2012.01.26 09:07:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:The change in the CSM elections and the Iceland face to face meeting attendance make it even more important that the Eve general population get involved in the upcoming elections. To that end I am anouncing I will be running and organizing the "Voice of Reason Party". Let me explain my plans and ask for your support (but maybe not in the way you think).
The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
Basically folk that often are discarded as "carebears" but make up a huge portion of the Eve population. A group that has not had representaion for a long time in the CSM.
So "Issler", you say, there may be many folks that would want to run supporting those players. I would say "yes, I hope there are!"
I am asking anyone who will be running to support this segment of Eve to declare themselves as part of the "Voice of Reason" party. We will organize and debate in the public spaces of Eve to narrow the field to the best two candidates and refine our party planks using some "party voting" (method TBD) and then ask any that would support our party put their support behind the best of us. If we organize we could easily have the chair and another Iceland bound seat!
So "bears", will you join me in finding the right candidates, get our supporters energized and take back the CSM???
I will be putting considerable energy in getting folks from our party elected and those folks don't have to include me, lets find and elect the best!
Together we cannot be defeated!!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 candidate Member of the Voice of Reason Party
So what are you gonna do when the Miners ask you to champion changes that raise the price of minerals so that they can get more income, but the Industrialists want cheaper minerals so they can make better ISK and both of them want you to stop those god damb Traders exploiting their products?
Which constituency will you throw under the bus? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Tore Vest
159
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Posted - 2012.01.26 09:15:00 -
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Im a carebear... and are going to do the same as 90% of eve... not vote...
Highsec carebear... and proud of it |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
535
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Posted - 2012.01.26 10:27:00 -
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Goonswarm Recruitment wrote:Goonswarm Federation, the one true Photobucket alliance hereby declares its support for the VOR. I also hereby declare my intention to make sure everything on Photobucket is VORPORN, (Voice of Reason Party Organizationally Recognized Newbees)
Thats why no one should take GSF serius |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
287
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:09:00 -
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So essentially you represent everybody who is not a nullbear?
That is rather... wide. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
348
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:48:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Im a carebear... and are going to do the same as 90% of eve... not vote... ...and then whine for the rest of the year about not being represented by the people you didn't vote for. |
Osabojo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.01.26 14:00:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Thats why no one should take GSF serius
agreed!! |
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Einde
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:41:00 -
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Osabojo wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Thats why no one should take GSF serius
agreed!!
Do not take us serius. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
557
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:11:00 -
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So some additional clarification.
Low sec should be in there as well as WHs. As to how best represent the group I propose, once we have a slate of candidates we can refine our message and plans.
Here is a profile of the Eve pilot the VOR would represent.
Casual players, folks that don't have the time to commit to "serious" play styles for whatever reason. Folks looking for stress free space fun.
Independent pilots not interested in joining large alliances, folks that are in small corps or even just want to remain in an NPC corp.
Folks that prefer PvE over direct combat PvP.
Miners! When was the last time there was an interesting change in mining?
Low sec - a segment of the game that has been ignored forever! When I started I often mined in low sec, now no one mines in low sec because it just isn't worth the risk.
Industrialist - we still have huge problems in production like T2 BPOs, Technetium monopolies and a host of other issues.
Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case.
WiS - so many of us wanted ambulation and the current CSM clearly fought to kill it dead. Someone on the next CSM clearly needs to champion the future of ambulation.
Basically, folks that don't think null is interesting to them and want to enjoy life in Eve in a more PvE or PvP in markets only manner.
Finally, this is just a place to start. I hope some other "bear" candidates will join this effort and we can develop the focus for a real attempt to get our views clealy represented in CSM7.
And the one celebrity that is the focus of an effort to draft him in CSM 7 would also be wonderful but I hope we don't count on that as our only plan.
So VOR candidates, join me in becoming the voice of the formally silent majority. We can be their voice when they stream in space!
Issler |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2667
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:25:00 -
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Einde wrote:Osabojo wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Thats why no one should take GSF serius
agreed!! Do not take us serius.
seriuscat for CSM? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:25:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Thats why no one should take GSF serius Even we don't. But tears, now that is serious business.
Issler Dainze wrote:We can be their voice when they stream in space! Which streaming service do they use? I really want to see what they're up to.
Note: Though I might be too busy MINING IN NULL to go and gank them, doubtless some people will. Please link to internet steams of internet space miners. |
Goonswarm Recruitment
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:27:00 -
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Can I get a response to my plan regarding vorporn? Do you think vorporn on photobucket is helpful or would there be a better place for vorporn? |
Deltor Griffith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:36:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:So some additional clarification.
Low sec should be in there as well as WHs. As to how best represent the group I propose, once we have a slate of candidates we can refine our message and plans.
Here is a profile of the Eve pilot the VOR would represent.
Casual players, folks that don't have the time to commit to "serious" play styles for whatever reason. Folks looking for stress free space fun.
Independent pilots not interested in joining large alliances, folks that are in small corps or even just want to remain in an NPC corp.
Folks that prefer PvE over direct combat PvP.
Miners! When was the last time there was an interesting change in mining?
Low sec - a segment of the game that has been ignored forever! When I started I often mined in low sec, now no one mines in low sec because it just isn't worth the risk.
Industrialist - we still have huge problems in production like T2 BPOs, Technetium monopolies and a host of other issues.
Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case.
WiS - so many of us wanted ambulation and the current CSM clearly fought to kill it dead. Someone on the next CSM clearly needs to champion the future of ambulation.
Basically, folks that don't think null is interesting to them and want to enjoy life in Eve in a more PvE or PvP in markets only manner.
Finally, this is just a place to start. I hope some other "bear" candidates will join this effort and we can develop the focus for a real attempt to get our views clealy represented in CSM7.
And the one celebrity that is the focus of an effort to draft him in CSM 7 would also be wonderful but I hope we don't count on that as our only plan.
So VOR candidates, join me in becoming the voice of the formally silent majority. We can be their voice when they stream in space!
Issler
I'll run for CSM7 as a VOR representative. I've been playing this game off and on since release and have experienced everything from high-sec mining to null sec combat. I believe I can bring changes that keep the bears at heart. Like my post if you support me, and ask me any questions.
Deltor
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
557
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Posted - 2012.01.26 21:01:00 -
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We will not be supporting candidates from large power blocks or with ties to large powerblocks. The point of VOR is to support the "little guy".
Issler |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.01.26 22:02:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:We will not be supporting candidates from large power blocks or with ties to large powerblocks. The point of VOR is to support the "little guy". Wait I thought over here in GF/CFC were being oppressed by the evil Mittens who controls us mercilessly and makes us mine and totally doesn't give newbies free ships and fleet warriors millions out in reimbursements and makes us endlessly camp gates and I ran out of things. What else is supposed to happen here?
Anyway we're supposed to be being oppressed. As members of a massive swarm, we are indeed very small. Bees are small, but you must never bump the
EDIT: Oh right, we mine AND camp gates. That's just how hard we are worked here in the wild wild west of nullsec. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
259
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Posted - 2012.01.26 22:09:00 -
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As a VOR candidate running for CSM7 I will specifically address my stance on the aformentioned issues and how I will represent them.
Miners: By removing NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, highsec can no longer be flooded with minerals to the degree that only botted up NPC corp miners can. Trit and pye will only increase in value as supply decreases to meet demand. Ban NPC Corps.
Low-Sec: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, lowsec's 'safety' will increase in relation, making it more sensible for players to move there in a calculated risk/reward move. Ban NPC Corps.
Industrialists: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, industrialists will no longer have one option - to undercut thousands of other industrialists with max skills and max safety. By forcefully decreasing the supply, industrialists' work is valued more individually. Ban NPC Corps.
Traders: Traders benefit the most by banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually decable. Imagine the potential profit determined traders could make if the non-stop fleet of AFK autopiloting NPC freighters were made vulnerable. Ban NPC Corps.
WiS: Ban NPC Corps
Nicolo 2012 CSM VOR High Council Ban NPC Corps |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.01.26 22:21:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:... Miners: By removing NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, ....
Low-Sec: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable,....
Industrialists: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable,....
Traders: Traders benefit the most by banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually decable......
WiS: Ban NPC Corps I support this message whole heartedly. Please do not flip flop on this important issue that will decide the future of EVE as we know it.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
557
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Posted - 2012.01.26 22:22:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:As a VOR candidate running for CSM7 I will specifically address my stance on the aformentioned issues and how I will represent them.
Miners: By removing NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, highsec can no longer be flooded with minerals to the degree that only botted up NPC corp miners can. Trit and pye will only increase in value as supply decreases to meet demand. Ban NPC Corps.
Low-Sec: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, lowsec's 'safety' will increase in relation, making it more sensible for players to move there in a calculated risk/reward move. Ban NPC Corps.
Industrialists: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, industrialists will no longer have one option - to undercut thousands of other industrialists with max skills and max safety. By forcefully decreasing the supply, industrialists' work is valued more individually. Ban NPC Corps.
Traders: Traders benefit the most by banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually decable. Imagine the potential profit determined traders could make if the non-stop fleet of AFK autopiloting NPC freighters were made vulnerable. Ban NPC Corps.
WiS: Ban NPC Corps
Nicolo 2012 CSM VOR High Council Ban NPC Corps
Well, it is a start of a discussion about a potential VoR party plank. :-)
Could you clarify your position in NPC corps?
Issler |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
259
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Posted - 2012.01.26 22:37:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Could you clarify your position in NPC corps? You dislike the Technetium monopoly of null alliances, right Issler? Well how do you feel about the 0.0 logistics crew's NPC corp freighter alts under 100% wardec-proof CONCORD safety that haul in all that moon goo for you to pay out the nose for? And then load up said freighters with compressed minerals, minerals mined non-stop by NPC corp hulks that flood the market making carebears like you sell their ore at a pittance. Not to mention eliminating the necessity of moving in casual, PvE types into 0.0 for stuff like manufacturing and mining in null. With NPC Corps pushing the margin of profit in easily accessed hisec ever lower due to lack of opposition, you just aren't needed or wanted in our space. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
558
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Posted - 2012.01.26 23:36:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Could you clarify your position in NPC corps? I gathered that you dislike the Technetium monopoly of null alliances, right Issler? Well how do you feel about the 0.0 logistics crew's NPC corp freighter alts under 100% wardec-proof CONCORD safety that haul in all that moon goo for you to pay out the nose for? And then load up said freighters with compressed minerals, minerals mined non-stop by NPC corp hulks I add, that flood the market making carebears like you sell their ore at a pittance. Not to mention eliminating the necessity of moving in casual, PvE types into 0.0 for stuff like manufacturing and mining in null. With NPC Corps pushing the margin of profit in easily accessed hisec ever lower due to lack of opposition, you just aren't needed or wanted in our space (beyond the status of a renter).
Actually I appologize for the flip remark. You do have a valid point to make.
Using NPC alts to make safer supply chain logisitcs are not in the spirit of Eve.
The issue is boting is bad m'kay. I am 100% behind removing the mechanisms that make it possible. Changes in NPC corps may be a part of solving the problem.
NPC corps and the issues they cause should be part of a healthy VoR party planks discussion.
The question really should be "what is an NPC corp intended to be"? Maybe NPC corp members are restricted in ship types of activities? Or some type of modification of war dec that removes the shield is the answer.
I don't claim to know how to solve the problem but I'd love to participate in a serious discussion of the issues.
I'll be setting up a SoV web site and forums in the next couple of days. We can set up a section for discussion of every proposed VoR plank there and decide the party postion.
Issler |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
57
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Posted - 2012.01.26 23:42:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
So, basically almost everyone in EVE. I count my own EVE experience in part all of those except Mining, Industry, and WiS. Perhaps you should look at some of my previous ideas for EVE and incorporate them into your Platform.
Speaking of NPC corps, I disagree that they should be removed, but agree they are a problem and should be changed. I think having all members of NPC corps automatically enlisted in Faction War would be a happy medium between keeping them as is and removing them altogether as suggested by Nicolo. Would also make High Sec a much more interesting place by having game lore impact players lives far more than it does atm... Sadly Lore/Roleplayers were left off your list Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
558
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Posted - 2012.01.26 23:57:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
So, basically almost everyone in EVE. I count my own EVE experience in part all of those except Mining, Industry, and WiS. Perhaps you should look at some of my previous ideas for EVE and incorporate them into your Platform. Speaking of NPC corps, I disagree that they should be removed, but agree they are a problem and should be changed. I think having all members of NPC corps automatically enlisted in Faction War would be a happy medium between keeping them as is and removing them altogether as suggested by Nicolo. Would also make High Sec a much more interesting place by having game lore impact players lives far more than it does atm... Sadly Lore/Roleplayers were left off your list Issler
Thanks for pointing out RP as missing! I absolutely think RP is very important to enjoyment of Eve for a lot of us (just look at the crazy back story for my corp and alliance)
I will add it as a VoR Plank!
Issler |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1005
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:50:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:The change in the CSM elections and the Iceland face to face meeting attendance make it even more important that the Eve general population get involved in the upcoming elections. To that end I am anouncing I will be running and organizing the "Voice of Reason Party". Let me explain my plans and ask for your support (but maybe not in the way you think).
The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
Basically folk that often are discarded as "carebears" but make up a huge portion of the Eve population. A group that has not had representaion for a long time in the CSM.
So "Issler", you say, there may be many folks that would want to run supporting those players. I would say "yes, I hope there are!"
I am asking anyone who will be running to support this segment of Eve to declare themselves as part of the "Voice of Reason" party. We will organize and debate in the public spaces of Eve to narrow the field to the best two candidates and refine our party planks using some "party voting" (method TBD) and then ask any that would support our party put their support behind the best of us. If we organize we could easily have the chair and another Iceland bound seat!
So "bears", will you join me in finding the right candidates, get our supporters energized and take back the CSM???
I will be putting considerable energy in getting folks from our party elected and those folks don't have to include me, lets find and elect the best!
Together we cannot be defeated!!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 candidate Member of the Voice of Reason Party
Issler Dainze, I salute your intentions and effort. I agree, the high sec group needs representation. You have my vote. It's a shame that this thread was blobbed by the opposition. Best to just ignore em.
Personally I think Low Sec should be removed from that list. The party should be comprised of 3 members. If elected, this would at least have 1/3rd of the CSM representing citizens in high security. The platform could be something like PvE, Industrial and Political.
PvE: Missions Incursions Exploration WiS
Industrial: Mining & PI Market & Trade Invention & Production Transport & Courier
Political: NPC Corp Members Independent Player Corps Role Playing & Lore Content High Security Game Mechanics
Each member should be knowledgeable or highly active in the group they interview. They should canvas their respective group's population regarding issues, solutions, concerns, viewpoints and ideas for future content pertaining to that group. The 3 members would then compare, debate, vote and compile a shared list based on the interviews as their platform for election to CSM which will be presented to CCP during their term.
Obviously a bit more thought would have to be put into this but I think you get the idea. Good luck to you and the 'Voice of Reason Party'.
EDIT: I'm in a NPC corp and this is my main character. I do missions and exploration with a little bit of invention, production and trade. I don't like the idea to get rid of NPC corps or make all NPC corps part of Factional Warfare. I pay my taxes and am happy with my freedom to do whatever I want, whenever I want, anywhere I want without having to deal with a CEO's orders or worry about a WarDec from a Griefer Corp. Yes, I play mostly solo but I keep half a dozen chat channels open and fleet up with other players from time to time. The change I would like to see for NPC corp members is when in a gang or fleet, if someone aggros one of the members in the fleet, all gang members should be allowed to retaliate without Concord interfering. This would help level the playing field with can flippers, suicide gankers and Ninja mission invaders. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
558
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:54:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The change in the CSM elections and the Iceland face to face meeting attendance make it even more important that the Eve general population get involved in the upcoming elections. To that end I am anouncing I will be running and organizing the "Voice of Reason Party". Let me explain my plans and ask for your support (but maybe not in the way you think).
The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
Basically folk that often are discarded as "carebears" but make up a huge portion of the Eve population. A group that has not had representaion for a long time in the CSM.
So "Issler", you say, there may be many folks that would want to run supporting those players. I would say "yes, I hope there are!"
I am asking anyone who will be running to support this segment of Eve to declare themselves as part of the "Voice of Reason" party. We will organize and debate in the public spaces of Eve to narrow the field to the best two candidates and refine our party planks using some "party voting" (method TBD) and then ask any that would support our party put their support behind the best of us. If we organize we could easily have the chair and another Iceland bound seat!
So "bears", will you join me in finding the right candidates, get our supporters energized and take back the CSM???
I will be putting considerable energy in getting folks from our party elected and those folks don't have to include me, lets find and elect the best!
Together we cannot be defeated!!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 candidate Member of the Voice of Reason Party
Issler Dainze, I salute your intentions and effort. I agree, the high sec group needs representation. You have my vote. It's a shame that this thread was blobbed by the opposition. Best to just ignore em. Personally I think Low Sec should be removed from that list. The party should be comprised of 3 members. If elected, this would at least have 1/3rd of the CSM representing citizens in high security. The platform could be something like PvE, Industrial and Political. PvE: Missions Incursions Exploration WiS Industrial: Mining & PI Market & Trade Invention & Production Transport & Courier Political: NPC Corp Members Independent Player Corps Role Playing & Lore Content High Security Game Mechanics Each member should be knowledgeable or highly active in the group they interview. They should canvas their respective group's population regarding issues, solutions, concerns, viewpoints and ideas for future content pertaining to that group. The 3 members would then compare, debate, vote and compile a shared list based on the interviews as their platform for election to CSM which will be presented to CCP during their term. Obviously a bit more thought would have to be put into this but I think you get the idea. Good luck to you and the 'Voice of Reason Party'.
Great Idea. I was already thinking that we could select a slate of candidates with specific focus and your post makes the first swipe at how that might work As for low sec, maybe just keep it on the table where it affects risk/reward in mining and PvE.
The VoR members in the CSM7 could make some great things happen!
I'll be counting you among the VoR party members!!
Issler |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1007
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:28:00 -
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I'm in a NPC corp and this is my main character. I don't like the idea to get rid of NPC corps or make all NPC corps part of Factional Warfare or any other major changes. I pay plenty of taxes which is payment for freedom to do whatever I want, whenever I want, anywhere I want without having to deal with a CEO's orders or worry about a WarDec from a Griefer Corp. Because of that, I'm not allowed to have a POS.
My career is missions and exploration with a little bit of invention, production and trade. Yes, I play mostly solo but I keep half a dozen chat channels open and fleet up with other players from time to time. I've traveled in low and null sec but usually keep to high sec.
About the only change I would like to see for NPC corp members is when in a gang or fleet, if someone aggros one of the members in the fleet, all gang members should be allowed to retaliate without Concord interfering. This would help level the playing field a bit against can flippers, suicide gankers and Ninja mission invaders.
Just remember that there's a lot of potential votes sitting in NPC corps so best to tread lightly on that subject. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
560
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:33:00 -
[39] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:I'm in a NPC corp and this is my main character. I don't like the idea to get rid of NPC corps or make all NPC corps part of Factional Warfare or any other major changes. I pay plenty of taxes which is payment for freedom to do whatever I want, whenever I want, anywhere I want without having to deal with a CEO's orders or worry about a WarDec from a Griefer Corp. Because of that, I'm not allowed to have a POS.
My career is missions and exploration with a little bit of invention, production and trade. Yes, I play mostly solo but I keep half a dozen chat channels open and fleet up with other players from time to time. I've traveled in low and null sec but usually keep to high sec.
About the only change I would like to see for NPC corp members is when in a gang or fleet, if someone aggros one of the members in the fleet, all gang members should be allowed to retaliate without Concord interfering. This would help level the playing field a bit against can flippers, suicide gankers and Ninja mission invaders.
Just remember that there's a lot of potential votes sitting in NPC corps so best to tread lightly on that subject.
That is why I hope we can have some healthy dialogs that address the concerns. I definitely think NPC corps have a place in Eve. But I am not sure that perfect safe havens in a lot of Eve activities is the right place.
I became a CEO to escape a crazy CEO. I did it mostly because I had some RL friends that thought our own corp would be better than NPC, but if it wasn't for that I might very well be in an NPC corp myself.
I hope you'll join the discussion soon to follow about NPC corps and how they fit in Eve!
Issler |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
669
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:41:00 -
[40] - Quote
You must be on to something if you have fearful little bees going for the derail right from the second post.
That said. And for what it's worth. I'll throw my support behind any candidate who is in favor of doing something good for the silent majority.
I look forward to seeing more detail on your platform.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:49:00 -
[41] - Quote
I actually wonder if it is possible to not have NPC corps. Does the game coding require everyone to be in some corp?
New players are always in an NPC corp, after all. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1007
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:03:00 -
[42] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: I definitely think NPC corps have a place in Eve. But I am not sure that perfect safe havens in a lot of Eve activities is the right place.
Issler
NPC corp members are not safe, not by a long shot. They get can flipped, suicide ganked and Ninja'd quite often. Probably because they can't dish out very much retribution due to the current game mechanics.
Those who say being in a NPC corp is safe don't know jack. A few months ago I was assassinated in a 0.7 system at a Radar site by 1/2 dozen Merc players in Battleships. It was a hit paid for by another player who brought forum rage into the game as grief play. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
562
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:17:00 -
[43] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: I definitely think NPC corps have a place in Eve. But I am not sure that perfect safe havens in a lot of Eve activities is the right place.
Issler NPC corp members are not safe, not by a long shot. They get can flipped, suicide ganked and Ninja'd quite often. Probably because they can't dish out very much retribution due to the current game mechanics. Those who say being in a NPC corp is safe don't know jack. A few months ago I was assassinated in a 0.7 system at a Radar site by 1/2 dozen Merc players in Battleships. It was a hit paid for by another player who brought forum rage into the game as grief play.
I agree they aren't safe, I've certainly died when in them. So point taken. It's all about balance in the end. The NPC corp discussion clearly will be very interesting!
Issler |
Miranda Etxebarria
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:18:00 -
[44] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case.
Not sure if serious.
But I am quite curious to see what kind of platform would get the approval from such a diverse target audience. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
562
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:29:00 -
[45] - Quote
Miranda Etxebarria wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case. Not sure if serious. But I am quite curious to see what kind of platform would get the approval from such a diverse target audience.
I've started with a scatter gun approach to be sure. I just have a strong conviction a lot of players are not represented by the current power block focused CSM. The idea earlier of a slate of candidates working together with specific areas of focus is where I expect is us to converge.
I am serious about this and I hope others will join. There is no reason a minority of Eve should control the CSM. CSM6 has made it clear to a much larger audience that the CSM does affect CCP. For folks out there like myself the reject the notion that "null is the end game" (a sandbox by definition has no end game) and that CCP needs to hyperfocus on null.
I hope this is the way to make sure CSM7 makes CCP realize he majority of Eve could care less about supercaps and sov and would love something as simple as making mining better, keeping PvE fresh or making high sec more dynamic.
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason CSM 7 Candidate |
Miranda Etxebarria
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:35:00 -
[46] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Miranda Etxebarria wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case. Not sure if serious. But I am quite curious to see what kind of platform would get the approval from such a diverse target audience. I've started with a scatter gun approach to be sure. I just have a strong conviction a lot of players are not represented by the current power block focused CSM. The idea earlier of a slate of candidates working together with specific areas of focus is where I expect is us to converge. I am serious about this and I hope others will join. There is no reason a minority of Eve should control the CSM. CSM6 has made it clear to a much larger audience that the CSM does affect CCP. For folks out there like myself the reject the notion that "null is the end game" (a sandbox by definition has no end game) and that CCP needs to hyperfocus on null. I hope this is the way to make sure CSM7 makes CCP realize he majority of Eve could care less about supercaps and sov and would love something as simple as making mining better, keeping PvE fresh or making high sec more dynamic. Issler Dainze Voice of Reason CSM 7 Candidate
Sure, and I applaud your effort. I just thought the notion of being unable to make a living trading was weird. But I'm looking forward to seeing your proposals. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
562
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:40:00 -
[47] - Quote
Miranda Etxebarria wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miranda Etxebarria wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case. Not sure if serious. But I am quite curious to see what kind of platform would get the approval from such a diverse target audience. I've started with a scatter gun approach to be sure. I just have a strong conviction a lot of players are not represented by the current power block focused CSM. The idea earlier of a slate of candidates working together with specific areas of focus is where I expect is us to converge. I am serious about this and I hope others will join. There is no reason a minority of Eve should control the CSM. CSM6 has made it clear to a much larger audience that the CSM does affect CCP. For folks out there like myself the reject the notion that "null is the end game" (a sandbox by definition has no end game) and that CCP needs to hyperfocus on null. I hope this is the way to make sure CSM7 makes CCP realize he majority of Eve could care less about supercaps and sov and would love something as simple as making mining better, keeping PvE fresh or making high sec more dynamic. Issler Dainze Voice of Reason CSM 7 Candidate Sure, and I applaud your effort. I just thought the notion of being unable to make a living trading was weird. But I'm looking forward to seeing your proposals.
Of, the trading comment. I am basing that more on things I used to see a lot of folks doing that I rarely hear about any more. In our corp we see steady stream of players new to Eve. Used to be a time when we'd see them get thier fist Badger ot Mammoth and grind goods between regions, being pretty satisfied with the isks that made at that stage of their life in Eve. I don't see that as much anymore.
Again, this is the sort of stuff that might very well be dropped from the focus of the party. Once we get going we should be able to figure out the "right" focus.
Thanks for contributing to the discussions already!
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 candidate |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
260
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:49:00 -
[48] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
The question really should be "what is an NPC corp intended to be"? Maybe NPC corp members are restricted in ship types of activities? Or some type of modification of war dec that removes the shield is the answer.
I don't claim to know how to solve the problem but I'd love to participate in a serious discussion of the issues.
I believe the intent of NPC Corps was to provide an avenue for pilots unwilling to join a corporation to play eve while still having a corp channel to socialize in (because the devs have stated strong feelings on that players should interact in an MMO). It was not intended as an easy metagaming tool, a special mode for maxed out veteran bears who want to opt out of PvP while ratting/hauling billions without a care in the world or to be New Eden's logistical backbone that puts those who want to work as a team at a competitive disadvantage.
Wanting to play EVE solo is an entirely valid stance I feel and because of that disagree with Malcanis/Xorv's suggestion that NPC Corps should be merged with FW. I agree with DeMichael that being a lone wolf in EVE is perfectly fine, but think his entitlement to special no-wardec mode to do it with is the antithesis of everything EVE is about and his ability to do so through NPC corps is the source of the majority of EVE's risk/reward problems.
I've talked about the improvements to PvE, but taking away NPC Corps and letting them be wardec'd individually solves a lot of PvP metagaming problems too. The neutral RR-alt trend or NPC scout in highsec shouldn't be protected at all times; their ass should be next on the line of people eating a wardec from the other corp. Convoluted aggro fixes for the latest FOTM trick used by combat alts aren't as needed; next time you go after a corp, you tack on the alts they brought along last time for good measure. |
Ghazu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.27 03:48:00 -
[49] - Quote
lol why is wis on the bottom of the list |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
563
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Posted - 2012.01.27 05:59:00 -
[50] - Quote
Ghazu wrote:lol why is wis on the bottom of the list
Please don't assume the order of the list to be the priority of the issues. WiS is something I think should be a high priority to make sure someone keeps it in CCPs plans.
Issler
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Bernie Nator
Insidious Design Talocan United
67
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:22:00 -
[51] - Quote
So you're young to unite all those people but leave wormhole alliances out of it? So Much for that balance you proposed. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
57
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:25:00 -
[52] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Wanting to play EVE solo is an entirely valid stance I feel and because of that disagree with Malcanis/Xorv's suggestion that NPC Corps should be merged with FW. I agree with DeMichael that being a lone wolf in EVE is perfectly fine, but think his entitlement to special no-wardec mode to do it with is the antithesis of everything EVE is about and his ability to do so through NPC corps is the source of the majority of EVE's risk/reward problems. Playing EVE solo and choosing not to share commitments with other players should have consequences, not just benefits.
I can't speak for Malcanis, but I never intended or viewed my stance of having all NPC corps tied into Faction War as anti solo play. The whims and demands of NPCs are much more easily managed than those of real players, and the bonds between players of the same faction are not the same as those of a Corp or an Alliance. So being dragged into a Faction War is much more accommodating than being part of Player Sovereignty Wars for casual players. There's a cost though as the NPCs in half of Highsec won't protect you, they'll shot at you.. nevermind the opposing Factions players. If you want to be independent of the NPC factions then you should be in a player corp and be fully subject to Wardecs as they were pre P alliance wardec nerf. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1008
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:33:00 -
[53] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: I believe the intent of NPC Corps was to provide an avenue for pilots unwilling to join a corporation to play eve while still having a corp channel to socialize in (because the devs have stated strong feelings on that players should interact in an MMO). It was not intended as an easy metagaming tool, a special mode for maxed out veteran bears who want to opt out of PvP while ratting/hauling billions without a care in the world or to be New Eden's logistical backbone that puts those who want to work as a team at a competitive disadvantage. Perhaps it was intended to be a entry point for rookies at one point, but if it was, in it's current form it is unrecognizable.
Wanting to play EVE solo is an entirely valid stance I feel and because of that disagree with Malcanis/Xorv's suggestion that NPC Corps should be merged with FW. I agree with DeMichael that being a lone wolf in EVE is perfectly fine, but think his entitlement to special no-wardec mode to do it with is the antithesis of everything EVE is about and his ability to do so through NPC corps is the source of the majority of EVE's risk/reward problems. Playing EVE solo and choosing not to share commitments with other players should have consequences, not just benefits.
I've talked about the improvements to PvE, but taking away NPC Corps and letting them be wardec'd individually solves a lot of PvP metagaming problems too. The neutral RR-alt trend or NPC scout in highsec shouldn't be protected at all times; their ass should be next on the line of people eating a wardec from the other corp. Convoluted aggro fixes for the latest FOTM trick used by combat alts aren't as needed; next time you go after a corp, you tack on the alts they brought along last time for good measure.
I'm going to address each section here and show you what consequences I have to deal with for not being in a Player corp.
Nowhere in the game description does it say I have to join a player corp or do PvP battle. It says I can join a player corp if I wanted to which would allow me more opportunity in game. Since I'm in an NPC corp, I'm basically on my own, none of my corp mates can come help me if someone in a player corp steals my loot. Even if I was fleeted with other players from the NPC corp before the aggression, only the gang leader or owner of the loot would be able to retaliate. Yet if I take the player corp loot, his whole corp can jump on me. I used to accept that as payment for being tax free, however we now pay tax which doesn't do anything for us.
Before anyone says it's payment for being WarDec free, no it's not. That is to protect player corps. If the WarDec option existed, us players in NPC corps would go on the warpath. Last time I checked, there was over 600 players in my NPC corp chat. The price of not being in a player corp is no POS. Because of that I have to deal with very long waiting times for most Science and Industry slots in high sec. I have to do a lot of searching and travel to find open slots. And yes I go into low sec too.
You talk about alt scouts hiding in NPC corps and doing RR. That's a problem with combat mechanics, not the NPC corp being active. If someone does RR, they should be flagged red and become part of the battle since they decided to get involved with the conflict. As for scouts, doesn't have to be in a NPC corp. Shouldn't matter anyway since this is supposed to be about high sec game mechanics.
As for not being active with other players, I already said I fleet with others when needed. I socialize with a lot of different players in various chat channels including local. As I said earlier, the major problem with being in NPC corp is we pay tax yet we can't do retaliation as a small gang if a gang member is aggressed while fleeted. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
261
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Posted - 2012.01.27 07:28:00 -
[54] - Quote
So all those effects on the game and other players I described is mitigated because you can't gang up on a can flipper/salvage thief.
Ban NPC Corps. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2669
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Posted - 2012.01.27 08:58:00 -
[55] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Wanting to play EVE solo is an entirely valid stance I feel and because of that disagree with Malcanis/Xorv's suggestion that NPC Corps should be merged with FW...
That might be Xorv's stance; it's the polar opposite of mine:
Malcanis wrote: So, again, what we should be looking to do is open up opportunities for chosing a level of risk and reward appropriate to their requirements rather than simply punish people for not wanting to join a player corp. One obvious way of doing this is to allow players a free choice of NPC corp and then attach different terms and conditions to membership of those corps... membership of different NPC corps might give access to different activities and privileges but might also involve obligations and risks. Did you know that Caldari corporations fight amongst each other? And that there's a war on (that might well involve the military organisations). Some NPC corps even have a presence in lo-sec......but then what privileges or opportunities does membership confer? Zero NPC corp tax? access to better missions than other NPC corp members? Faster faction standings increases?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
141
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Posted - 2012.01.27 12:23:00 -
[56] - Quote
I don't classify myself according to the sec status of whatever system I might currently be based from, but I support this initiative and wish you good luck!
About NPC corps- I wish they were all treated like universities/educational institutions. Most of them actually are unis, but they should have a graduation mechanism based on certificates.
After you receive the required certificates you graduate from the starter institution, get a diploma and a special graduation gift, and either move on to a player corp (obviously you could leave for a player corp before graduating) or gain access to a NPC corporation. This NPC corp should have some advantages compared to the starter corps, not sure about the details.
Those who fail to graduate would be booted from the Uni after a certain period, and end up in a corp that has higher taxes, and is wardeccable. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
683
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Posted - 2012.01.27 16:55:00 -
[57] - Quote
I'll tell one thing I'd like to see and why.
I would like the ability to delete skills I don't want. No refund. No trade. Just delete them.
Why you ask?
1) This is a sandbox game where we should have the means to make our own decisions and accept the consequences of them.
2) I have a lot of characters. Most of them are three to six years old. They're focused for the tasks I have set for them. The old character creator used to hand out about 800k SP willy nilly and it just irks me to look at these nicely focused characters and see a block of skills that I never wanted and will never use.
3) I'm just that anal guy who likes to see a nice skill board with only the skills I desire on it.
So... do you have any thoughts on this? Would you be interested in adding this small change to your platform?
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
3
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:22:00 -
[58] - Quote
Tore Vest wrote:Im a carebear... and are going to do the same as 90% of eve... not vote...
All too true... (but I hope you do, Tore) Wouldn't take near all that huge non-voting-for-CSM bloc of EVE players to make a difference for themselves, would it? Every aspect/playergroup in EVE is equally valid as long as the people using that playstyle are enjoying themselves, I'd say ('cause...um...it's a game, and that's kinda the point, right?) - the pirate as well as the prospector, the 0.0 powerblock as well as the highsec fuel block... All the different people and activities going on in this giant space-box make it the game we all like (but why do we have to put down others if they do different things than we do? - c'mon now...maybe one person likes to make spaceships into expanding clouds of superheated tritanium particles and another just likes to make spaceships, one person wants to sit in a station and play the market and another wants to fight in fleet actions...it's all good). Right now the representation on the CSM is unbalanced. 0.0 players are overrepresented. To their credit, that is because they are organized . Now, 0.0 security space absolutely needs to be represented, as it is an essential part of what makes EVE EVE - but - it is far from the only group of players in EVE. The "silent majority" of EVE players are not letting themselves be heard, and that's the main problem. Wouldn't take much; just vote and let the CSM folks know what we would like to see that would make our game more fun.
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
177
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:07:00 -
[59] - Quote
Supported.
I've flirted with the idea of candidacy myself, but...meh: Politics, not my thing, it would seem.
E: I should clarify, supported in principle. Specific support/lack thereof depends on where candidates will stand on things like:
1) Actually fixing losec 2) Bringing the risky "safer, but never 100% safe" element back to hisec (and ideally, pushing for an end to pants-on-head stupidity like the now-legal dec-shielding exploit). Think of me as the Jester to your King Lear: Because annoying you is more fun than politicking with you. Because your predictable outrage makes you even more fun to play with. Because forum PvP = best PvP. Come to me, little puppet! |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
177
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:10:00 -
[60] - Quote
Tore Vest wrote:Im a carebear... and are going to do the same as 90% of eve... not vote...
And then spend the rest of the next CSM's term complaining about the result, mustn't forget that.
E: Argle-Bargle!! Think of me as the Jester to your King Lear: Because annoying you is more fun than politicking with you. Because your predictable outrage makes you even more fun to play with. Because forum PvP = best PvP. Come to me, little puppet! |
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
177
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:19:00 -
[61] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: W-hole Alliances? Isn't W-Hole space the same as Null Sec or 0.0 Alliance space?
Not even close, mate.
Not even freakin' close, beyond the w-system's nominal security rating of -1.00:
Which means that bubbles and bombs can be used there, and that you can PvP and/or podkill with no security-status hit, and there are no sentry/station guns. That's where the similarities to k-space zerosec end.
So "w-space is the same as [k-space] zerosec" in the sense that the basic (mainly tactical/PvP-oriented) mechanics based off of that security rating are the same, but that's pretty much it.
In w-space (condensed list):
1) Cynos cannot be lit 2) Sovereignty cannot be held. No stations present or possible, you live out of a POS (and I've heard of some who've done so out of a cloaky Orca and some judiciously-anchored GSCs in a safe-spot) 3) No moon-mining 4) No normal asteroid-belts, any rocks to mine must be probed down (and the best POS-refining modules carry huge waste compared to station-refineries; On the order of 25%, IIRC), and the amounts of ore you get are miniscule compared to known-space, as the grav sites usually don't re-spawn for at least a few days, usually much longer. No Ice-belts either, so those critical products must also be brought in from k-space. 5) Supercapitals cannot enter (IIRC) due to mass-limits on wormholes, nor can they be built in a wormhole (you need sov. to anchor an SCAA) 6) The only realistic way to have a fleet of standard capitals is to build them in your hole due to mass-limits, and it's likely that that is where they will stay until they get urp-sploded 7) No local chat 8) Your ways in and out on any given day change, and you've no idea where your "out-gate" goes until you go through it--logistics/re-supply/selling loot and salvage (Sleepers give no bounties, it's all in loot and especially salvage) is much more challenging/risky
W-Life is about as different from sov-null as it can get, and in many ways, its' exact antithesis, with mechanics--mainly mass-limits on the wormhole deciding how much can enter at any given time--biased towards small-scale PvP, and high-end PvE with real risks of PvP at all times. In other words, the "end-game" for many of us in small corps/alliances that want nothing to do with sov-zerosec.
That's why it belongs on Issler's list:
Being a "holie" is the last bastion of the independent small corp./Alliance that wants to remain so, whilst still making a good living, whilst yet still holding most closely to EVE's core ethos of "more rewards = more risks to get/keep them."
(Despite the hathos-inducing bleating of the sov-null sheep, this is not the case in a lot sov-null, and hasn't been for quite some while. Oh, have I mentioned that it's essentially impossible to bot in wormhole-space, too?) Think of me as the Jester to your King Lear: Because annoying you is more fun than politicking with you. Because your predictable outrage makes you even more fun to play with. Because forum PvP = best PvP. Come to me, little puppet! |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
127
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:41:00 -
[62] - Quote
@Issler: Good luck.
Malcanis wrote:So what are you gonna do when the Miners ask you to champion changes that raise the price of minerals so that they can get more income, but the Industrialists want cheaper minerals so they can make better ISK and both of them want you to stop those god damb Traders exploiting their products? Any capable industrialist will pass on the material costs to the buyers. Traders only come into play if any of the other two price their products too low... |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
585
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Posted - 2012.01.28 08:40:00 -
[63] - Quote
So the questions about miners asking to tilt the markets. Not our platform. I want to see the mining experiences get more interesting, rewarding and dynamic. To give the miners a reason to develop active skills to make them more isks. If I am PvP-ing fighting ship to ship my skills matter, my fit matters and my real time actions define my fate. Why isn't there something similar at the high end of mining?
The party believes in the market. The party will never support a position that violates that concept.
Eve is about conflict, the idea of risk and rewards, the idea that better skills and real time actions while in Eve improve outcomes.
The Voice of Reason Party wants CCP to make that true for EVERY aspect of Eve.
I hope that clarifies why CCP needs to think about high sec and all the activities many of us enjoy there.
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
585
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Posted - 2012.01.28 08:41:00 -
[64] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: W-hole Alliances? Isn't W-Hole space the same as Null Sec or 0.0 Alliance space?
Not even close, mate. Not even freakin' close, beyond the w-system's nominal security rating of -1.00: Which means that bubbles and bombs can be used there, and that you can PvP and/or podkill with no security-status hit, and there are no sentry/station guns. That's where the similarities to k-space zerosec end. So "w-space is the same as [k-space] zerosec" in the sense that the basic (mainly tactical/PvP-oriented) mechanics based off of that security rating are the same, but that's pretty much it. In w-space (condensed list): 1) Cynos cannot be lit 2) Sovereignty cannot be held. No stations present or possible, you live out of a POS (and I've heard of some who've done so out of a cloaky Orca and some judiciously-anchored GSCs in a safe-spot ) 3) No moon-mining 4) No normal asteroid-belts, any rocks to mine must be probed down (and the best POS-refining modules carry huge waste compared to station-refineries; On the order of 25%, IIRC), and the amounts of ore you get are miniscule compared to known-space, as the grav sites usually don't re-spawn for at least a few days, usually much longer. No Ice-belts either, so those critical products must also be brought in from k-space. 5) Supercapitals cannot enter (IIRC) due to mass-limits on wormholes, nor can they be built in a wormhole (you need sov. to anchor an SCAA) 6) The only realistic way to have a fleet of standard capitals is to build them in your hole due to mass-limits, and it's likely that that is where they will stay until they get urp-sploded 7) No local chat 8) Your ways in and out on any given day change, and you've no idea where your "out-gate" goes until you go through it--logistics/re-supply/selling loot and salvage (Sleepers give no bounties, it's all in loot and especially salvage) is much more challenging/risky W-Life is about as different from sov-null as it can get, and in many ways, its' exact antithesis, with mechanics--mainly mass-limits on the wormhole deciding how much can enter at any given time--biased towards small-scale PvP, and high-end PvE with real risks of PvP at all times. In other words, the "end-game" for many of us in small corps/alliances that want nothing to do with sov-zerosec. That's why it belongs on Issler's list: Being a "holie" is the last bastion of the independent small corp./Alliance that wants to remain so, whilst still making a good living, whilst yet still holding most closely to EVE's core ethos of "more rewards = more risks to get/keep them." (Despite the hathos-inducing bleating of the sov-null sheep, this is not the case in a lot sov-null, and hasn't been for quite some while. Oh, have I mentioned that it's essentially impossible to bot in wormhole-space, too?)
Would you consider joining the Voice of Reason party as out WH candidate? You get it!
Issler
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
182
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Posted - 2012.01.28 08:52:00 -
[65] - Quote
There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode Think of me as the Jester to your King Lear: Because annoying you is more fun than politicking with you. Because your predictable outrage makes you even more fun to play with. Because forum PvP = best PvP. Come to me, little puppet! |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
182
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Posted - 2012.01.28 08:55:00 -
[66] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: Would you consider joining the Voice of Reason party as out WH candidate? You get it!
Issler
Why, thank you :)
I had flirted with the idea of standing, but politicking is not for me, I think (read: I don't suffer fools gladly, and I'm sure you'll agree, there are a great many fools out there.)...
In any case, there already is a wormhole candidate--Two Step--who seems to be running again for the right reasons, and who has, imho, demonstrated his integrity during CSM6. Maybe ask him?
E: Sort. Your bloody. Forums, CCP! Think of me as the Jester to your King Lear: Because annoying you is more fun than politicking with you. Because your predictable outrage makes you even more fun to play with. Because forum PvP = best PvP. Come to me, little puppet! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
586
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Posted - 2012.01.28 10:39:00 -
[67] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Would you consider joining the Voice of Reason party as out WH candidate? You get it!
Issler
Why, thank you :) I had flirted with the idea of standing, but politicking is not for me, I think (read: I don't suffer fools gladly, and I'm sure you'll agree, there are a great many fools out there.)... In any case, there already is a wormhole candidate--Two Step--who seems to be running again for the right reasons, and who has, imho, demonstrated his integrity during CSM6. Maybe ask him? E: Sort. Your bloody. Forums, CCP!
Let's see if we can recruit him to the party and definitely join the discussions in the party forums when I get the VoR forums up and running!
Issler |
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
18
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Posted - 2012.01.28 21:59:00 -
[68] - Quote
Xorv wrote: ... So being dragged into a Faction War is much more accommodating than being part of Player Sovereignty Wars for casual players. There's a cost though as the NPCs in half of Highsec won't protect you, they'll shot at you.. nevermind the opposing Factions players. If you want to be independent of the NPC factions then you should be in a player corp and be fully subject to Wardecs as they were pre P alliance wardec nerf.
It would make sense that if you're a member of an official organ (NPC corp) of a faction at war with another faction, that you would not be greeted with open arms in their space.
True freedom from your government could indeed mean that you'd need to train corporation management to 1. I for one would definately love to see more factions to have militias (or be at war by default) then the current 4 empires. If you wish to be an enterpreneur (explorer, trader, miner ...) you should be required to have a business license (aka player corp membership). But then you should also be freed of the NPC corp wars.
On the other hand, one should not dismiss the advantages of having experienced players and newbs in the same chat channels as is the case now with NPC corps.
But to stay on the OP's topic. I think that Issler doesn't try to run specifically for this group or that group, but rather as a counterweight to the dominating 0.0 alliances. There have been candidates in the past who ran on similar propositions. The main problem seems to be, getting 2000+ votes to counter candidates from 0.0 alliances who are more likely to get that many votes.
Now I don't think that every "type" of player needs his own candidate to represent just one issue. As eve is a sandbox, almost everything is interconnected at some point. The ideal candidate for me, is the one who tries not to look where a particular change might benefit him or his voters. Instead, there should be a consideration of whether a particular change "works as intended" (and not by CCP's interpretation of this phrase) and , whether it adds to the game as a whole.
I hope I don't miss the voting deadline this time around
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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
18
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:04:00 -
[69] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: Eve is about conflict, the idea of risk and rewards, the idea that better skills and real time actions while in Eve improve outcomes.
The Voice of Reason Party wants CCP to make that true for EVERY aspect of Eve.
Holy cowbell,
you just convinced me !
Take all my votes
Jill. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:37:00 -
[70] - Quote
Jill Xelitras wrote:but rather as a counterweight to the dominating 0.0 alliances. There have been candidates in the past who ran on similar propositions. The main problem seems to be, getting 2000+ votes to counter candidates from 0.0 alliances who are more likely to get that many votes. Yes. All of you should do your best to run in the coming elections. I wish you all the best as you campaign your best to gain the votes of {non-dominating 0.0 alliances}. Your numbers of candidates swell by the day, surely this will lead to a landslide success! |
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
184
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Posted - 2012.01.29 21:54:00 -
[71] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: Yes. All of you should do your best to run in the coming elections. I wish you all the best as you campaign your best to gain the votes of {non-dominating 0.0 alliances}. Your numbers of candidates swell by the day, surely this will lead to a landslide success!
This is getting stale...Try harder next time.
1/10.
Think of me as the Jester to your King Lear: Because annoying you is more fun than politicking with you. Because your predictable outrage makes you even more fun to play with. Because forum PvP = best PvP. Come to me, little puppet! |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
www.shipsofeve.com
208
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Posted - 2012.01.30 05:10:00 -
[72] - Quote
Olleybear wrote:[quote=Issler Dainze]
You have one of my favourite character portraits. nice job
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Olleybear
I R' Carebear
31
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Posted - 2012.01.30 06:57:00 -
[73] - Quote
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon wrote:Olleybear wrote:[quote=Issler Dainze]
You have one of my favourite character portraits. nice job
My sarcasm meter is currently broken and out for repair. As a result, I am unable to tell the difference between sincerity and sarcasm.
Please choose an appropriate response from the list:
Thanks man. Appreciate it. Was doing my best to get a normal guy look.
or
You @#RFD#, your a $^G$^&U#, and your mom #%^(%!
Fly Safe o/
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
863
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Posted - 2012.01.30 20:32:00 -
[74] - Quote
I have a few question for Issler -
How many candidates is the VOR party hoping to place on the ballot?
What is your strategy to thwart the "vote splitting problem" (where placing multiple candidates might simply ensure none of them make it into the top 7) ?
What representative areas is the VOR party trying to field candidates for?
Which area do YOU represent as a VOR candidate?
- Thank you for your time. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
605
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Posted - 2012.01.30 21:40:00 -
[75] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I have a few question for Issler -
How many candidates is the VOR party hoping to place on the ballot?
What is your strategy to thwart the "vote splitting problem" (where placing multiple candidates might simply ensure none of them make it into the top 7) ?
What representative areas is the VOR party trying to field candidates for?
Which area do YOU represent as a VOR candidate?
- Thank you for your time.
The current idea is possibly three candidates with specific focus. There is a great proposal in this thread as to how we might make that split.
I'd be likely to be WiS, Mining and small corps.
If we can get the three "strongest" candidates of the independent candidates onboard and we get more of the folks that ignored the CSM voting last time as backlash from the CSM I hope we can collect enough votes among the three to get some of us in the top 7.
It is still technically before the whole mess starts so a lot of details are "tbd". Any suggestions are very welcome!
Issler |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
864
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Posted - 2012.01.30 21:52:00 -
[76] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I have a few question for Issler -
How many candidates is the VOR party hoping to place on the ballot?
What is your strategy to thwart the "vote splitting problem" (where placing multiple candidates might simply ensure none of them make it into the top 7) ?
What representative areas is the VOR party trying to field candidates for?
Which area do YOU represent as a VOR candidate?
- Thank you for your time. The current idea is possibly three candidates with specific focus. There is a great proposal in this thread as to how we might make that split. I'd be likely to be WiS, Mining and small corps. If we can get the three "strongest" candidates of the independent candidates onboard and we get more of the folks that ignored the CSM voting last time as backlash from the CSM I hope we can collect enough votes among the three to get some of us in the top 7. It is still technically before the whole mess starts so a lot of details are "tbd". Any suggestions are very welcome! Issler
Thank you very much! |
Katrinazinski
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.31 04:31:00 -
[77] - Quote
Do not choose the mining or ratting profession in Eve. At present, the mining profession has become a "dead end" due to a Null Sec tactic with cloaked ships.
You cannot successfully mine in Null Sec if you are member of a small or medium alliance. Bitter vets have discovered how to use alts in cloaked ships to basically "grief" all industrial activities in enemy systems. CSM approves of this activity, because they think it leads to more hostilities and conflicts. In fact, the industrialists usually have no idea which enemy is backing the "neutral" cloaked pilot. And, some pilots just enjoy giving this grief. Miners are a primary target. So are the ratters.
At present, cloaked ships can stay cloaked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. In this way, only one "alt" account can shut down industrial activities in just about any system in null sec. Provided, of course, the hostile kills an industrial pilot once in awhile (or serves as the "warp in" for his buddies once and awhile to kill an industrial pilot).
While there are counters to this tactic of pilots who grief systems cloaked (usually AFK) for days and weeks on a 24/7 basis. The only effective tactic against this grief is to join a HUGE alliance with enough space that the industrial pilot can find a "quiet" system. Since most of your CSM representatives are elected by LARGE alliances, guess who approves this tactic? CSM approves this tactic. CCP approves this tactic. They say that it is to "increase conflict"? No. I think it is intended to keep the small alliances down by denying them the ability to maximize their industrial potential. But, that's just my opinion.
How to counter this problem if you are a miner? Just QUIT GAME. The pilot won't grief an empty system. But, then again... that only benefits the large alliances, doesn't it?
Anticipating the response saying I'm a whiner, and saying you just kill the cloaky dudes ... I ask for proof or STFU. Because, you cannot scan down a cloaked ship. IF the guy is AFK 23/7, this means you can put your team on the scanning job for 24/7 and maybe find him. But, have you ever tried to scan down a cloaked ship 24/7? Oh, so you want to bubble and watch the gates 24/7, too? Get serious. The cloaked ship has bookmarks to avoid such traps and will laugh at your feeble attempts. We could call bullshit, but this is an approved feature of the game, not a bug and not an exploit.
What we really need is a new MMORPG game. Maybe a clone that is "like Eve". A new game, which would emphasize industrial cooperation for your PvP wins. At that point, you might get CCP's attention to this insufferable problem called the 24/7 cloaked AFK grief ship. CSM won't deal with it. CCP won't deal with it.
There's a cloaked ship coming soon - to a system near your hulks and ratting ships. ATTENTION, all Ratters and Miners . . . PREPARE TO QUIT GAME !
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2718
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Posted - 2012.01.31 10:33:00 -
[78] - Quote
blocs predict a needed 2000 votes to get a single candidate on and thus aren't vote-splitting, if you try to run 3 candidates on a niche hisec ticket all you'll accomplish is diluting the voting pool for folks like trebor and meissa
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Kusanagi Kasuga
Ferocious Felines
10
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Posted - 2012.01.31 14:45:00 -
[79] - Quote
You think the entirety of Hi-sec is niche, Mittens? |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2721
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Posted - 2012.01.31 14:48:00 -
[80] - Quote
Kusanagi Kasuga wrote:You think the entirety of Hi-sec is niche, Mittens?
the 'vor party' is, but you're welcome to try to put words in my mouth lil anime-name alt The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
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Kusanagi Kasuga
Ferocious Felines
11
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Posted - 2012.01.31 14:56:00 -
[81] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:the 'vor party' is, but you're welcome to try to put words in my mouth lil anime-name alt
Fair enough. I think that the idea of bloc-voting for Hi-Sec is the idea that this thread has right, and it's something that should be supported. The individual campaign that VoR is running, I don't know so much. But simply put, Hi-sec has no explicit candidate on the CSM, even Trebor (whilst my favourite candidate since DV left) is only hi-sec friendly, rather than a hi-sec advocate. Hi-sec needs a way to push back against the null-heavy bias in the CSM right now, a bias you (compliments where it's due) engineered to counter a previous anti-null bias on the CSM. We've still got an unbalanced CSM who does good things sometimes and other times craps on a whole section of the player base they do not understand, it's just backwards now. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
609
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Posted - 2012.01.31 18:55:00 -
[82] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:blocs predict a needed 2000 votes to get a single candidate on and thus aren't vote-splitting, if you try to run 3 candidates on a niche hisec ticket all you'll accomplish is diluting the voting pool for folks like trebor and meissa
I must be doing something right if I rated a visit from the king of Eve!
I'm not worthy, but still willing to make this effort!
Issler |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2742
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:41:00 -
[83] - Quote
hisec does have a bloc candidate, that'll be kelduum, which will severely disrupt the attempt to organize non-aligned hisec votes among issler, t'amber, trebor and any other serious hisec person who throws their hat into the ring
the interests of goonswarm and eve uni are almost identical (newbies, newbies, newbies) so i'm looking forward to working with kelduum on NPE issues
anyway if you want to make this VOR thing go anywhere you'll need to have one candidate instead of three The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
867
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:33:00 -
[84] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
I must be doing something right if I rated a visit from the king of Eve!
I'm not worthy, but still willing to make this effort!
Issler
As if Mittens needs more of an ego boost |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
248
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:45:00 -
[85] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:hisec does have a bloc candidate, that'll be kelduum, which will severely disrupt the attempt to organize non-aligned hisec votes among issler, t'amber, trebor and any other serious hisec person who throws their hat into the ring
the interests of goonswarm and eve uni are almost identical (newbies, newbies, newbies) so i'm looking forward to working with kelduum on NPE issues
anyway if you want to make this VOR thing go anywhere you'll need to have one candidate instead of three
Do you foresee butting heads with Kelduum given that CCP has stated that wardec mechanics are possibly on the agenda for the summer? |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
610
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:51:00 -
[86] - Quote
So one thing to be clear about, the initial suggestion was three candidates. Also the idea of seeing who would be interested in joining the party as a candidate and then finding the best candidate(s) in terms of electability. If we need to reduce the slate to a single candidate to make sure we get someone on the CSM7 we will.
The final VoR candidate list does not have to include me, if stronger alternatives come along that would support the party platform I am very willing to step aside and put my support behind other candidates.
So I defintely am leading the charge for now but I hope we get some other candidates to join the effort and we end up with someone that can garner all the support of the unaligned high sec pilots and assure we have representation in the CSM 7.
I also reject the idea of a goon high sec candidate, as one of the important aspects of the group the VoR seeks to represent are the "litlle guys". We don't need a candiate from a major power block pretending to represent high sec and the interests of the smaller corps and independent players. One of the major reasons for me trying to get the party going was a direct reaction to the power block bias of the CSM 6.
Issler |
Kusanagi Kasuga
Ferocious Felines
12
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:11:00 -
[87] - Quote
Hi-Sec deserves more than one candidate, really. It's a major part of the game. W-Space deserves at least one candidate, and low-sec NEEDS one. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
931
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:29:00 -
[88] - Quote
Kusanagi Kasuga wrote:Hi-Sec deserves more than one candidate, really. It's a major part of the game. W-Space deserves at least one candidate, and low-sec NEEDS one.
The players deserve the representatives they vote for. I will not be voting for any of the current CSM simply because they flat out refused to communicate with the player base. No minutes, no crowd sourcing (one attempt with no followup doesn't count), no filtering of F&I, no filtering of Assembly Hall, no reporting of where particular issues lie on the list of priorities. I don't care which "bloc" you represent: as long as you commit to regular communication with the player base about the basic process of the CSM (i.e.: minutes of meetings at the very least) you'll appear on my shortlist.
I will not be stuck watching in horror as the null sec CSM who know nothing about the rest of the game encourage CCP to pursue foolish ideals of "burn it all down" (which only means the biggest fleet of super caps will own everything) and "let super caps dock" (which only means that more people will fly super caps due to the perceived freedom of leaving them at any time). This CSM understands nothing of game design and balance. None of them are worthy of representing the players on the CSM.
As despicable and worthless as he is, The Mittani is right on one count: presenting more than one candidate will simply dilute your vote. Get a candidate in, and when you see that you got more than enough votes to support two candidates, put two candidates in for the following session. The only way The Mittani will not get CSM Chair is if we have very few hisec/carebear candidates, and an order of magnitude more players actually vote. More players voting for fewer candidates means more votes per candidate.
Non-block representatives don't have the luxury of being able to coordinate which of their subjects will vote for which candidate. We have to be more motivated and more informed than the bloc voters (thankfully, it's not hard to be more informed than null sec drones, it just required effort).
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
867
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:38:00 -
[89] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote: The only way The Mittani will not get CSM Chair is if we have very few hisec/carebear candidates, and an order of magnitude more players actually vote. More players voting for fewer candidates means more votes per candidate.
This would be a very effective strategy for empire voters. Given that The Mittani will win a council seat regardless, along with a strong likelihood of the remaining 6 seats being filled with incumbents, empire voters could instead focus on taking away his chairman seat as check and balance to the Goon's power. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
266
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:51:00 -
[90] - Quote
Single issue candidates are a pointless approach to take unless you can be confident that CCP will be heavily focusing on that particular issue during the upcoming CSM term, or unless you're charismatic enough to bend CCP to your will.
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
219
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:01:00 -
[91] - Quote
Houm, probably Issler is the one working harder for a candidacy. I was challenged earlier to become candidate, but that's nothing I will do. I am old and smart enough to know I don't have the kind of skills needed for such a task. I picture myself as either a right hand or a thinking head to aid the guy with the charisma and the social skills, but never the guy in open light.
So, putting it short, if Issler forwards, I will vote him unless he does something that scares me.
BTW, mobilyze people against someone is a hard trick to pull and usually backfires; voting against Mittani or nullsec blocs should not be the strategy. People should vote for what they will get, more hisec, WiS, lowsec, mining, you name it.
In fact, we should NOT talk at all about nullsec: there's the whole damned CSM6 to do so.
When WE talk about THEM, then THEY become the hot topic and nobody talks about US... |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
248
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:02:00 -
[92] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote: As despicable and worthless as he is, The Mittani...
You do realize you're just enabling him.
I'd love for the highsec crowd to come out and vote, I just don't see it happening. I get the feeling people are upset only because of two reasons.
They're just realizing now that they're in a minority when it comes down to 'people who care about the csm.'
They fail to see past the rhetoric and talking points of people who enjoy a good troll. At the end of the day, anyone who runs for the CSM is doing it because they want to make EVE better.
I haven't decided who I'm voting for yet, but if he generates sufficient nerd rage I will probably vote for Mittens. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
425
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:07:00 -
[93] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:The players deserve the representatives they vote for. I will not be voting for any of the current CSM simply because they flat out refused to communicate with the player base. No minutes, no crowd sourcing (one attempt with no followup doesn't count), no filtering of F&I, no filtering of Assembly Hall, no reporting of where particular issues lie on the list of priorities. I don't care which "bloc" you represent: as long as you commit to regular communication with the player base about the basic process of the CSM (i.e.: minutes of meetings at the very least) you'll appear on my shortlist.
There's no denying that CSM6 could have done a better job overall. However, this CSM and any that follow are not organized along the lines of the old way of doing things where they had regular 'formal meetings' and actually voted on proposals and recorded the votes and threw spoons at each other, etc... We got on Skype, hashed out strategies for various issues and executed plans in one-tenth the time of the old way of doing things. The old way is GONE. It's not coming back because it was grossly inefficient for actually getting **** done.
I cannot speak for other CSM's (in)ability to talk to players, but I try to answer every eve-mail I've gotten over the past year on CSM issues. I've gone on EVE Radio, talked to whoever asked for my time when I had time. I've blogged about every summit I've been to in detail, along with all the other major events of the past year. I don't blog often but when I do, I try to make it informative and worth your time and I make it a personal policy to at least try to take even frothing at the mouth rage freaks semi-seriously. It may not qualify as 'regular' communication but it's often better than 'official' information channels as well.
Mara Rinn wrote:I will not be stuck watching in horror as the null sec CSM who know nothing about the rest of the game encourage CCP to pursue foolish ideals of "burn it all down" (which only means the biggest fleet of super caps will own everything) and "let super caps dock" (which only means that more people will fly super caps due to the perceived freedom of leaving them at any time). This CSM understands nothing of game design and balance.
I'm willing to wager I have a pretty good understanding of both, including a fair idea of how my former co-workers prefer to phase things in over time versus the random ~awesome~ idiocy that plagued so much of CSM6's term. You are also WAY over-simplifying and out-right ignoring statements, blogs and forum posts that several CSM's including myself have put out clarifying some of the things you are upset about.
Mara Rinn wrote:None of them are worthy of representing the players on the CSM.
Obviously I disagree, and not just for myself. You can't throw a blanket at 14 people (yes, CSM 6 is actually FOURTEEN players) and say this. It's just ridiculous and makes you look radical and spergy m8.
Mara Rinn wrote:IAs despicable and worthless as he is, The Mittani is right on one count: presenting more than one candidate will simply dilute your vote. Get a candidate in, and when you see that you got more than enough votes to support two candidates, put two candidates in for the following session. The only way The Mittani will not get CSM Chair is if we have very few hisec/carebear candidates, and an order of magnitude more players actually vote. More players voting for fewer candidates means more votes per candidate.
For better or worse, Mittens is probably going to be the CSM7 Chair. Unless he's caught on film literally grilling live kittens for his puppy to eat, it's pretty much a done deal. I was the #2 vote getter in the last election by a fair margin and Mittens still had over 1200 votes more than I did. He's got too much organization and too many people that his particular 'style' appeals to, not to mention Goons will not be splitting their vote this time around.
If you want a seat at the table, you are going to have to focus hard and not dilute your potential votes. Even if you succeed, you also need to find someone that not only represents your interests but also has the social skills to communicate those interests effectively to both his/her fellow CSMers AND CCP as well. Food for thought. v0v Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2764
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:35:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote: As despicable and worthless as he is, The Mittani...
Non-block representatives don't have the luxury of being able to coordinate which of their subjects will vote for which candidate. We have to be more motivated and more informed than the bloc voters (thankfully, it's not hard to be more informed than null sec drones, it just required effort).
your posts make ron paul look entirely reasonable The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2764
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:39:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Mara Rinn wrote: The only way The Mittani will not get CSM Chair is if we have very few hisec/carebear candidates, and an order of magnitude more players actually vote. More players voting for fewer candidates means more votes per candidate.
This would be a very effective strategy for empire voters. Given that The Mittani will win a council seat regardless, along with a strong likelihood of the remaining 6 seats being filled with incumbents, empire voters could instead focus on taking away his chairman seat as check and balance to the Goon's power.
if you think that the source of my power and influence comes from the title rather than social skills, i don't even know what to say
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2764
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:52:00 -
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Zirse wrote: Do you foresee butting heads with Kelduum given that CCP has stated that wardec mechanics are possibly on the agenda for the summer?
i suspect that expansion will be planned and done for by the time csm7 takes office, so no
i'm not a fan of the dec-shield loopholes in the current system The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
222
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:54:00 -
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BTW, what I find interesting is how the CSM6 no longer pretends to represent *all* players... apparently those who bother to talk, only do so to claim "Hey, good luck making yourself heard, we are not going to fukking care of you non-nullsec sukkers".
But then...
If I am right and I fail, then there will not be any EVE left for me to play...
If I am wrong, then there will not be any EVE left for me to play...
And in any case, I am not paying this game any longer. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
428
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Posted - 2012.01.31 23:23:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:BTW, what I find interesting is how the CSM6 no longer pretends to represent *all* players... apparently those who bother to talk, only do so to claim "Hey, good luck making yourself heard, we are not going to fukking care of you non-nullsec sukkers".]
Seriously, who are you talking about?
Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
267
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Posted - 2012.01.31 23:23:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:BTW, what I find interesting is how the CSM6 no longer pretends to represent *all* players... apparently those who bother to talk, only do so to claim "Hey, good luck making yourself heard, we are not going to fukking care of you non-nullsec sukkers".] Seriously, who are you talking about?
the voices in his head ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
869
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Posted - 2012.01.31 23:38:00 -
[100] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Mara Rinn wrote: The only way The Mittani will not get CSM Chair is if we have very few hisec/carebear candidates, and an order of magnitude more players actually vote. More players voting for fewer candidates means more votes per candidate.
This would be a very effective strategy for empire voters. Given that The Mittani will win a council seat regardless, along with a strong likelihood of the remaining 6 seats being filled with incumbents, empire voters could instead focus on taking away his chairman seat as check and balance to the Goon's power. if you think that the source of my power and influence comes from the title rather than social skills, i don't even know what to say
Dont' worry, I don't.
"Check and balance" was not the best choice of language. No doubt you will leave your mark on the council regardless of whether you hold seat #1, or seat #14, and nothing in the CSM structure explicitly gives more authority to the number one seat.
I think the reason that we hear so many frustrated players is simply a matter of demographics. The Goons are essentially a minority group within the entire player base, yet you claim hold over the council. A great number of players might have more faith in the CSM to represent a majority interest if they had a figurehead that actually represents "the average player". Regardless of whether or not your decisions have actually benefited the majority of players, there is no question that it was your voter bloc that put you there, moreso than any populist rhetoric you have used and will no doubt use again.
Ultimately, only the empire voters can decide for themselves whether they believe that you truly care about voicing their ideas to CCP, or whether they see your time on the council as a natural extension of the meta-gaming and lust for power you have become infamous for. If voters decided to challenge your seat (and had a candidate capable of doing so) they couldn't strip you of power but they might be able to restore some of the council's reputation as a truly representative body.
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
187
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Posted - 2012.02.01 00:04:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Seleene wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:BTW, what I find interesting is how the CSM6 no longer pretends to represent *all* players... apparently those who bother to talk, only do so to claim "Hey, good luck making yourself heard, we are not going to fukking care of you non-nullsec sukkers".] Seriously, who are you talking about? the voices in his head
The voices in my head say you're all crazy
E: And that's a good thing! Think of me as the Jester to your King Lear: Because annoying you is more fun than politicking with you. Because your predictable outrage makes you even more fun to play with. Because forum PvP = best PvP. Come to me, little puppet! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
618
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Posted - 2012.02.01 01:11:00 -
[102] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Mara Rinn wrote: As despicable and worthless as he is, The Mittani...
Non-block representatives don't have the luxury of being able to coordinate which of their subjects will vote for which candidate. We have to be more motivated and more informed than the bloc voters (thankfully, it's not hard to be more informed than null sec drones, it just required effort).
your posts make ron paul look entirely reasonable
I actually find Ron Paul reasonable! :-)
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
618
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Posted - 2012.02.01 01:13:00 -
[103] - Quote
Seleene wrote:
.. some pretty reasonable comments ..
I just want to say I think Seleene did try very heard to stay in communication with the players while serving in the CSM 6 and I appreciate that alot!
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
618
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Posted - 2012.02.01 01:22:00 -
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I have to say seeing some prominent CSM 6 in this thread tells me something about the VoR message and the potential for a power block upset in the CSM 7 elections.
Rally together disenfranchised masses. We will storm the bastille!!
If we can get our act together we could dominate the election. The power blocks are already talking about several candiates themselves so they will be splitting their votes for sure.
Everyone, spread the word, we will take the CSM back in the CSM 7 elections!
The Voice of Reason believes all of Eve is based on conflict and it is about time the CCP focused on other areas of that conflict occurs that dominate life outside nulsec!
Miners!!! High Sec Dwellers! Explorers! Traders! Industrialists! Ambulation fans! Mission Runners! Space Tourists! Casual Players! Small Corps!
Join the Voice of Reason Party and send CCP a message, this is our game too!
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
222
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Posted - 2012.02.01 07:58:00 -
[105] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:BTW, what I find interesting is how the CSM6 no longer pretends to represent *all* players... apparently those who bother to talk, only do so to claim "Hey, good luck making yourself heard, we are not going to fukking care of you non-nullsec sukkers".] Seriously, who are you talking about?
I am talking about "CSM 7 must be about moar nullsec iterations" Seleene and "try-to-don't-choke-yourself-laughing, but, I am all for newbies" Mittani. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
295
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Posted - 2012.02.01 08:05:00 -
[106] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:[
I am talking about "CSM 7 must be about moar nullsec iterations" Seleene and "try-to-don't-choke-yourself-laughing, but, I am all for newbies" Mittani. truly laughable everyone knows goonswarm only takes on people who can meet the high SP req and steep isk deposit - prices no newbie could hope to meet
edit: what exactly would you consider 'pro-newbie', something in incarna where female avatars remove a piece of clothing for plex? |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
933
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Posted - 2012.02.01 08:11:00 -
[107] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:your posts make ron paul look entirely reasonable
Thank you for the attention, even if you have nothing with saying |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
869
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Posted - 2012.02.01 08:15:00 -
[108] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: I am talking about "CSM 7 must be about moar nullsec iterations" Seleene and "try-to-don't-choke-yourself-laughing, but, I am all for newbies" Mittani.
Ok, I had to laugh a little at this one. C'mon, it was funny. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
933
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Posted - 2012.02.01 08:16:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:]your posts make ron paul look entirely reasonable I actually find Ron Paul reasonable! :-) Issler
Ron Paul would actually be a reasonable "small Government" candidate if he wasn't a flaming hypocrite.
As for Seleene's comments about "getting things done" GÇö yes, at least under this CSM the trains ran on time. Pity noone knew where the stations where, what time the trains ran, or where the damned things were going.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
933
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Posted - 2012.02.01 08:20:00 -
[110] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Single issue candidates are a pointless approach to take unless you can be confident that CCP will be heavily focusing on that particular issue during the upcoming CSM term, or unless you're charismatic enough to bend CCP to your will.
Indeed! Players should vote for candidates that they understand and who share opinions about play styles and game focus. "Issues" are a great way to garner support, but not a good way to run an advocacy/lobby group. "Issues are short term," player types and motivations are long term, |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.01 08:21:00 -
[111] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: and "try-to-don't-choke-yourself-laughing, but, I am all for newbies" Mittani. Hey, he's all about newbies. Soon one should see more newbies in blackbirds about because of something really nice we got recently. To each according to his need! Enemies with uber T2 guns really don't need to use them on our friends, so please stop.
Yes, I know, this is about a subset, but really, dealing with the sigma field of the whole space is pretty hard. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
869
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Posted - 2012.02.01 08:22:00 -
[112] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote: Ron Paul would actually be a reasonable "small Government" candidate if he wasn't a flaming hypocrite.
Venturing too far into RL politics is going to get too stupid, too fast. I suggest we stick to the pressing internet spaceship matters at hand.
Mittens, I blame YOU for this! |
shas Ellecon
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
5
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Posted - 2012.02.01 10:42:00 -
[113] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:I have to say seeing some prominent CSM 6 in this thread tells me something about the VoR message and the potential for a power block upset in the CSM 7 elections.
no man they are telling you that you are so stupid it is honestly a god damn wonder that you can type readable sentences |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
430
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Posted - 2012.02.01 13:16:00 -
[114] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: I am talking about "CSM 7 must be about moar nullsec iterations" Seleene and "try-to-don't-choke-yourself-laughing, but, I am all for newbies" Mittani.
Ok, I had to laugh a little at this one. C'mon, it was funny.
LOL, it is funny. Laughter aside tho, I think I've been pretty clear on how much I think more than just nullsec needs a look see.
Mara Rinn wrote:As for Seleene's comments about "getting things done" GÇö yes, at least under this CSM the trains ran on time. Pity noone knew where the stations where, what time the trains ran, or where the damned things were going.
As analogies go, this pretty much owns and I'm going to steal the hell out of it at some point. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
222
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Posted - 2012.02.01 14:14:00 -
[115] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: I am talking about "CSM 7 must be about moar nullsec iterations" Seleene and "try-to-don't-choke-yourself-laughing, but, I am all for newbies" Mittani.
Ok, I had to laugh a little at this one. C'mon, it was funny. LOL, it is funny. Laughter aside tho, I think I've been pretty clear on how much I think more than just nullsec needs a look see.
Yes... of course, maybe with CSM 8... or 9... or 10... it would be so terrible that CCP now began spreading efforts between all players, right?
See, the 18 months took a toll on everybody's gameplay. But now all in a sudden CCP only caters to nullsec, and guess what? That happens with you, the nullsec CSM, in charge. And what you swear if you get elected for CSM7? That you will make sure that the iteration effort (NULLSEC iteration, that is) is not derailed by anything else. Like, our non-nullsec interests.
I insist: Crucible did NOTHING for me and many other players like me. And your goal is that the CSM goes for more Crucible and only more Crucible.
I wonder how difficult or insanely crazy would be that each gameplay got an expansion a year -say, summer 80% nullsec, 20% hisec, then winter 80% hisec, 20% nullsec. A BALANCED approach so CCP doesn't essentially tells that, after neglecting everyone for 18 months, now they will keep neglecting the hisec majority and catering to the ubernoisy nullsec minority until 2013 at least... And the CSM, who should speak for ALL players, is A-OK with it and finds funny how the silent majority tries to organize and forward someone to speak for them with only a slim chance to succeed.
Addenda: well, CCP is not completely neglecting hisec... they're gonna nerf incursions after -amazingly- the "winner takes all" completion mechanic has ended up with uberprofessional incursion grinders pumping ISK like crazies and nobody else ever bothering to try. Sharing rewards the same as incursion runners share risk would have been so much un-CCP... |
Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.02.01 14:39:00 -
[116] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Seleene wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:BTW, what I find interesting is how the CSM6 no longer pretends to represent *all* players... apparently those who bother to talk, only do so to claim "Hey, good luck making yourself heard, we are not going to fukking care of you non-nullsec sukkers".] Seriously, who are you talking about? I am talking about "CSM 7 must be about moar nullsec iterations" Seleene and "try-to-don't-choke-yourself-laughing, but, I am all for newbies" Mittani. Goonswarm has brought more newbies to the game than any other group and they still aggressively recruit new players. Goons whole combat doctrine is geared around ship progression for brand new players. Just because our newbies don't sit for a year in highsec mining scordite and whining that 0.0 is a closed shop doesn't make them any less new. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2768
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:22:00 -
[117] - Quote
Mara and some other howlers have an amusing point - I don't communicate with the tiny group of eve-o posters much. However I communicate all the goddamned time with my constituents and those I represent.
If you think Crucible is awful and bad and did nothing for you, then yeah - I don't represent you, and I'm not sorry about it. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2768
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:22:00 -
[118] - Quote
I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
618
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:30:00 -
[119] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either.
This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters.
No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it.
The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see.
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:49:00 -
[120] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote: Goons whole combat doctrine is geared around ship progression for brand new players. Just because our newbies don't sit for a year in highsec mining scordite and whining that 0.0 is a closed shop doesn't make them any less new. Scordite, not Veldspar? Anyway we are a group that helps pad the k/d ratio and ego of ~elite pvp~. Which brings them out for ~good fights~.
It's ok though, I think we're wonderfully represented.
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Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:00:00 -
[121] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either. This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters. No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it. The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see. Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate. Space Barbie got 1 1/2 years of dev time while FiS rotted on the vine with a joke of a skeleton crew and subs dropped off a cliff. I think it's done quite enough damage and sucked up enough resources already. WoD is dead and buried so I can't see CCP chucking more money and goodwill down that bottomless hole anyhow. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
430
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:03:00 -
[122] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I insist: Crucible did NOTHING for me and many other players like me.
Improvements to the Fitting Window Reduction in session change timer Improved Commands Drones try to return when hit warp Scan Signature Filter Market-to-Chat Dragging Map Options Window Changes Chat MotD Skill Queue Dragging Market Links in 'Show Info' Window Container Filter for Assets Rubber Band Selection Corporation Locations (Bookmarks) UI Scaling Ship Spinning Counter Blueprint type in Killmails Implants in KillMails Fitting List Limit Raised Per-Ship Orbit Loot All option Rebalanced Destroyers Logistics Ship Balancing Hybrid Weapon Balancing Customs Offices Time Dilation Full Avatar Portrait Viewer Engine Trails Fleet Watch list Member Increase Drag and Drop Members in Fleet Watch lists Assault Frigate Balancing New Neocom
GODDAMN LOOK AT ALL THAT NOTHING.
That IS what you said, yes? That Crucible did NOTHING for you? Wow, look at all that null-sec bias!!
I suppose now you will say that all of that stuff would have happened anyway, without a CSM? If so, you are lying to yourself and enjoy being ignorant.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:And your goal is that the CSM goes for more Crucible and only more Crucible.
My goal is that CCP continue to finish and iterate on every area that they have neglected over the past NINE YEARS, not just the past 18 months. Cripes, I'd be happy to see serious time put into making mining more interesting!
You are literally the worst kind of troll, one that spreads mis-information while completely ignoring facts that are only a couple of clicks away. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:10:00 -
[123] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Cripes, I'd be happy to see serious time put into making mining more interesting! If/when those drones in the drone regions get changed, I'm sure you'll have a lotmore miner friends around.
What about some kind of new miner ship that's say oh 10bil, uses 8 strip miners and can't dock? Then miners (not just mining boosters) can play in Supercaps Online. Similar to the hulk, it will doubtless have no need of a serious tank, being a purely PvA (player vs asteroid) ship. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
430
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:10:00 -
[124] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either. This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters. No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it. The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see. Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate. Space Barbie got 1 1/2 years of dev time while FiS rotted on the vine with a joke of a skeleton crew and subs dropped off a cliff. I think it's done quite enough damage and sucked up enough resources already. WoD is dead and buried so I can't see CCP chucking more money and goodwill down that bottomless hole anyhow.
Just to make something clear - CCP did not fire 20% of their employees, including the entire WOD Art staff and most of the technical programmers, because they planned to keep dumping enormous amounts of money into a development black hole. Have no doubt whatsoever that this is a direct result of their ADMITTED disastrous roll out of Incarna. Absolutely NOTHING that the CSM or players say at this point is going to change CCP's development direction for at least the next 12 months (spaceships).
One more time - even CSM 6 isn't trying to drive a stake through anything. CCP did that themselves. NO ONE is going to change their mind at this point. This is not MY OPINION, it's just the way it is. I've no doubt that at some point in the future, CCP will resume serious work on Incarna but, and this is a big BUT, when they do they will do it very carefully because they know they will only have one more chance to get it right. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
430
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:12:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Seleene wrote:Cripes, I'd be happy to see serious time put into making mining more interesting! If/when those drones in the drone regions get changed, I'm sure you'll have a lotmore miner friends around. What about some kind of new miner ship that's say oh 10bil, uses 8 strip miners and can't dock? Then miners (not just mining boosters) can play in Supercaps Online.
How about an Asteroid Doomsday that can harvest an entire field in one shot?! Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
619
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:23:00 -
[126] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either. This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters. No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it. The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see. Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate. Space Barbie got 1 1/2 years of dev time while FiS rotted on the vine with a joke of a skeleton crew and subs dropped off a cliff. I think it's done quite enough damage and sucked up enough resources already. WoD is dead and buried so I can't see CCP chucking more money and goodwill down that bottomless hole anyhow.
Again, a classic mistatement of the truth.
CCP dumped a lot of resources into other games including one with vampires while ignoring the cash cow that is Eve to fund their folly. They spent a little resource to test the tech in Eve and that is now the captains jail cell.
CCP promised ambulation, which will dramatically increase the popularity of Eve in general then played the cup and the pea game while they built vampires and we ended up with something that got no where near the promise they made to us.
You ambulation haters can go on and rant "space barbie" all you want but the fact is a lot of people in Eve today want ambulation. And to let CCP forget that is a disservice on the part of the CSM to the player base they are intended to support.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
619
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:25:00 -
[127] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Doris Dents wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either. This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters. No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it. The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see. Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate. Space Barbie got 1 1/2 years of dev time while FiS rotted on the vine with a joke of a skeleton crew and subs dropped off a cliff. I think it's done quite enough damage and sucked up enough resources already. WoD is dead and buried so I can't see CCP chucking more money and goodwill down that bottomless hole anyhow. Just to make something clear - CCP did not fire 20% of their employees, including the entire WOD Art staff and most of the technical programmers, because they planned to keep dumping enormous amounts of money into a development black hole. Have no doubt whatsoever that this is a direct result of their ADMITTED disastrous roll out of Incarna. Absolutely NOTHING that the CSM or players say at this point is going to change CCP's development direction for at least the next 12 months (spaceships). One more time - even CSM 6 isn't trying to drive a stake through anything. CCP did that themselves. NO ONE is going to change their mind at this point. This is not MY OPINION, it's just the way it is. I've no doubt that at some point in the future, CCP will resume serious work on Incarna but, and this is a big BUT, when they do they will do it very carefully because they know they will only have one more chance to get it right.
The CSM 6 Overlord seems to make it clear the CSM did want to drive a stake through ambulation, so maybe y'all should get your messaging straight.
Issler |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 20:32:00 -
[128] - Quote
Seleene wrote:How about an Asteroid Doomsday that can harvest an entire field in one shot?! We don't have AOE doomsdays for a reason.
Insta-harvesting one asteroid should be good enough. (If its unbalanced give it lower cooldown). You'll have to scan the asteroids to see which one is worth grabbing, and of course make sure your friends don't touch it (if you have several which you will grab in due time) to maximize the potential of the MiningsDay SuperStripMiner. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
430
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 20:36:00 -
[129] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Seleene wrote:Doris Dents wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either. This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters. No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it. The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see. Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate. Space Barbie got 1 1/2 years of dev time while FiS rotted on the vine with a joke of a skeleton crew and subs dropped off a cliff. I think it's done quite enough damage and sucked up enough resources already. WoD is dead and buried so I can't see CCP chucking more money and goodwill down that bottomless hole anyhow. Just to make something clear - CCP did not fire 20% of their employees, including the entire WOD Art staff and most of the technical programmers, because they planned to keep dumping enormous amounts of money into a development black hole. Have no doubt whatsoever that this is a direct result of their ADMITTED disastrous roll out of Incarna. Absolutely NOTHING that the CSM or players say at this point is going to change CCP's development direction for at least the next 12 months (spaceships). One more time - even CSM 6 isn't trying to drive a stake through anything. CCP did that themselves. NO ONE is going to change their mind at this point. This is not MY OPINION, it's just the way it is. I've no doubt that at some point in the future, CCP will resume serious work on Incarna but, and this is a big BUT, when they do they will do it very carefully because they know they will only have one more chance to get it right. The CSM 6 Overlord seems to make it clear the CSM did want to drive a stake through ambulation, so maybe y'all should get your messaging straight. Issler
Heh, I'm not trying to message anything. I'm just telling it like it is. v0v
My message is just fine. Mittens can speak for himself as well.
Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
619
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:38:00 -
[130] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I insist: Crucible did NOTHING for me and many other players like me. Cripes, I'd be happy to see serious time put into making mining more interesting!
So why didn't you make any effort in the CSM 6 to get that to happen?
To be fair, there are some very good things in that list, a lot of them are more patch worthy than what I expect from an expansion, some of them most of us could care less about (time dilation for example), some I think were net negative like POCOs and most would have happened without the CSM 6. The new Neocom was coming regardless of the CSM 6, as were most of the balancing items mentioned.
So I don't want to be a blanket detractor of the CSM 6 but could you identify the items in your list you attribute to the CSM 6 and not something what was in queue and happening already.
I'll save you some time, not much because given the very short dev window CCP faced to produce Crucibile, all the big items were already being developed.
Issler |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
222
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:50:00 -
[131] - Quote
Let me see...
Seleene's list of things that should thrill me and keep me subscribed and playing EVE because I didn't got them for three years:
Improvements to the Fitting Window -not gameplay Reduction in session change timer -not gameplay Improved Commands - not gameplay Drones try to return when hit warp -minor issue Scan Signature Filter -no use Market-to-Chat Dragging -no use Map Options Window Changes -no use Chat MotD -WTF? Skill Queue Dragging -minor issue Market Links in 'Show Info' Window -no use Container Filter for Assets -no use Rubber Band Selection -no use Corporation Locations (Bookmarks) -no use UI Scaling -not gameplay Ship Spinning Counter -come on... Blueprint type in Killmails -no use Implants in KillMails -no use Fitting List Limit Raised -no use Per-Ship Orbit -no use Loot All option -could had used a year ago, when I hadn't ran more than 2,000 times the same bloody missions Rebalanced Destroyers - no use Logistics Ship Balancing -no use Hybrid Weapon Balancing -no use Customs Offices -no use Time Dilation -no use Full Avatar Portrait Viewer -minor issue (very minor provided how abandoned is the NEx) Engine Trails -no gameplay Fleet Watch list Member Increase -no use Drag and Drop Members in Fleet Watch lists -no use Assault Frigate Balancing -no use New Neocom -no use
Did you said anything interesting yet? -yawn-
Should I be thrilled to be stuck with exactly the same gameplay that interested me for three years and now lost all shine, and see how all effort is wasted in what failed to interest me for three years? All while something new that interested me is abandoned and gets FIVE developers assigned to it?
You must be kidding. i think you have not been reading me, nor my main Ishtanchuk while she was active, and you really don't know how much effort I have wasted putting forward suggestions that you bloody CSM dismiss as they're part of that 80% of the game you plant to actively don't give a damn if you get elected. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
430
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 21:07:00 -
[132] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:You ambulation haters can go on and rant "space barbie" all you want but the fact is a lot of people in Eve today want ambulation. And to let CCP forget that is a disservice on the part of the CSM to the player base they are intended to support.
CCP isn't going to forget anything and they don't need anyone to remind them people still want an Incarna that actually works.
Issler Dainze wrote:So I don't want to be a blanket detractor of the CSM 6 but could you identify the items in your list you attribute to the CSM 6 and not something what was in queue and happening already. I'll save you some time, not much because given the very short dev window CCP faced to produce Crucibile, all the big items were already being developed.
You're wrong, but do you really care? Good luck in the election. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
222
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:14:00 -
[133] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:You ambulation haters can go on and rant "space barbie" all you want but the fact is a lot of people in Eve today want ambulation. And to let CCP forget that is a disservice on the part of the CSM to the player base they are intended to support. CCP isn't going to forget anything and they don't need anyone to remind them people still want an Incarna that actually works. Issler Dainze wrote:So I don't want to be a blanket detractor of the CSM 6 but could you identify the items in your list you attribute to the CSM 6 and not something what was in queue and happening already. I'll save you some time, not much because given the very short dev window CCP faced to produce Crucibile, all the big items were already being developed. You're wrong, but do you really care? Good luck in the election.
When CCP gets back to work in Incarna, it is very likely that they will no longer have any subscribers interested in it nor willing to trust them about their intent of doing it. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2154
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 21:36:00 -
[134] - Quote
i propose we have an in-game political rally for the carebear party
might i suggest the ice belt of Brapelle, in mackinaws? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1871
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 21:42:00 -
[135] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:i propose we have an in-game political rally for the carebear party
might i suggest the ice belt of Brapelle, in mackinaws?
blapelille
you see it's a joke because we blap things there lol!!!! andski for csm7~ |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2774
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 22:07:00 -
[136] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
The CSM 6 Overlord seems to make it clear the CSM did want to drive a stake through ambulation, so maybe y'all should get your messaging straight.
Issler
yes yes, a coherent media messaging strategy from CSM6 which got dramatic, effective results means i'm an ~overlord~ and we have to keep in lockstep on the forums
i don't mind you running, but don't spew childish hyperbole without having done your research; csm6 offers a variety of wildly different opinions on a broad spectrum of issues - but when it comes to pressure tactics, we get the job done as a unit, for the benefit of all (unless you don't like Crucible and loved Incarna, in which case i magnanimously welcome your spite).
the idea that i control seleene or trebor is simply laughable - and if you repeat such tosh, your candidacy will be too.
edit:
i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
269
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 22:17:00 -
[137] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
The CSM 6 Overlord seems to make it clear the CSM did want to drive a stake through ambulation, so maybe y'all should get your messaging straight.
Issler
yes yes, a coherent media messaging strategy from CSM6 which got dramatic, effective results means i'm an ~overlord~ and we have to keep in lockstep on the forums i don't mind you running, but don't spew childish hyperbole without having done your research; csm6 offers a variety of wildly different opinions on a broad spectrum of issues - but when it comes to pressure tactics, we get the job done as a unit, for the benefit of all (unless you don't like Crucible and loved Incarna, in which case i magnanimously welcome your spite). the idea that i control seleene or trebor is simply laughable - and if you repeat such tosh, your candidacy will be too.
I really hope that a couple of these argle blargle candidates can get in so a few months down the line eve-o forum alts accuse them of being controlled by Evil Mittens' Brainwashing Lasers as well.
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 22:32:00 -
[138] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:
i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods.
That is about nul and not the daily high sec belt miner. When I talk about real improvmements in the mining experience I'm talking about how mining works for the average player.
Noodling with sources of high end minerals will affect markets to be sure but the majority of miners won't notice a thing. They don't mine the ore those minerals come from.
Thanks for a great example of the basic disconnect that CSM 6 has with the average "carebear" miner.
Issler |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2775
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 22:37:00 -
[139] - Quote
Why should a hisec player support you over Trebor, who has a proven record of consistent support for the same constituency you claim to represent?
Is it that Trebor is skeptical of Incarna, and you prioritize 'ambulation' as something of value? The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2159
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 22:41:00 -
[140] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:
i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods.
That is about nul and not the daily high sec belt miner. When I talk about real improvmements in the mining experience I'm talking about how mining works for the average player. Noodling with sources of high end minerals will affect markets to be sure but the majority of miners won't notice a thing. They don't mine the ore those minerals come from. Thanks for a great example of the basic disconnect that CSM 6 has with the average "carebear" miner. Issler
hello issler
i hate to pull your pants down in front of the entire class but drone alloys are the biggest source of low-ends in the game, the things the average miner mines
i hope this was edifying to you! |
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2775
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 22:43:00 -
[141] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:
hello issler
i hate to pull your pants down in front of the entire class but drone alloys are the biggest source of low-ends in the game, the things the average miner mines
i hope this was edifying to you!
no no no the drone alloy issue has nothing to do with mining in hisec ONLY THINGS THAT EXIST IN HISEC MATTER what is this endless flow of cheap botted minerals coming from and ruining the value of mining across eve for years
THE CSM IS USELESS The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
222
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 22:44:00 -
[142] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Why should a hisec player support you over Trebor, who has a proven record of consistent support for the same constituency you claim to represent?
Is it that Trebor is skeptical of Incarna, and you prioritize 'ambulation' as something of value?
Bear in mind that this same guy was in favor of Incarna like... let me recall... was it some 9 months ago? Surely i could stretch my memory and conduct a succesufl search for the written evidence of it (internet barely deletes and never forgets). |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2775
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 22:46:00 -
[143] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:The Mittani wrote:Why should a hisec player support you over Trebor, who has a proven record of consistent support for the same constituency you claim to represent?
Is it that Trebor is skeptical of Incarna, and you prioritize 'ambulation' as something of value? Bear in mind that this same guy was in favor of Incarna like... let me recall... was it some 9 months ago? Surely i could stretch my memory and conduct a succesufl search for the written evidence of it (internet barely deletes and never forgets).
considering Trebor signed on csm5's open letter against incarna more than a year ago i'm going to say you're a sad-sack tryhard troll
your vote and your 'issue' literally does not matter to the playerbase, which is why subs are going up post-crucible rather than nosediving during your precious WiS experience
i and basically everyone else playing this game welcome your emnity and rage with delight as we tool around in our newly-revamped and balanced and lag-free spaceship game (about spaceships)
try second life~ The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2775
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 22:57:00 -
[144] - Quote
weaselior ownzoned issler out of her own candidacy thread
hi5s all around The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1874
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 22:58:00 -
[145] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Let me see...
Seleene's list of things that should thrill me and keep me subscribed and playing EVE because I didn't got them for three years:
Improvements to the Fitting Window -not gameplay Reduction in session change timer -not gameplay Improved Commands - not gameplay Drones try to return when hit warp -minor issue Scan Signature Filter -no use Market-to-Chat Dragging -no use Map Options Window Changes -no use Chat MotD -WTF? Skill Queue Dragging -minor issue Market Links in 'Show Info' Window -no use Container Filter for Assets -no use Rubber Band Selection -no use Corporation Locations (Bookmarks) -no use UI Scaling -not gameplay Ship Spinning Counter -come on... Blueprint type in Killmails -no use Implants in KillMails -no use Fitting List Limit Raised -no use Per-Ship Orbit -no use Loot All option -could had used a year ago, when I hadn't ran more than 2,000 times the same bloody missions Rebalanced Destroyers - no use Logistics Ship Balancing -no use Hybrid Weapon Balancing -no use Customs Offices -no use Time Dilation -no use Full Avatar Portrait Viewer -minor issue (very minor provided how abandoned is the NEx) Engine Trails -no gameplay Fleet Watch list Member Increase -no use Drag and Drop Members in Fleet Watch lists -no use Assault Frigate Balancing -no use New Neocom -no use
Did you said anything interesting yet? -yawn-
Should I be thrilled to be stuck with exactly the same gameplay that interested me for three years and now lost all shine, and see how all effort is wasted in what failed to interest me for three years? All while something new that interested me is abandoned and gets FIVE developers assigned to it?
You must be kidding. i think you have not been reading me, nor my main Ishtanchuk while she was active, and you really don't know how much effort I have wasted putting forward suggestions that you bloody CSM dismiss as they're part of that 80% of the game you plant to actively don't give a damn if you get elected.
are you daft or do you just dismiss these changes as trivial because they're of no use to your gameplay niche
i totally agree, balanced destroyers, assault frigates and hybrids are of no use at all
excuse me while i go back to deciding on a fit for an astarte whose weapons have recently been boosted nicely
still useless though lol!!! andski for csm7~ |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 22:58:00 -
[146] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:
yes yes, a coherent media messaging strategy from CSM6 which got dramatic, effective results means i'm an ~overlord~ and we have to keep in lockstep on the forums
i don't mind you running, but don't spew childish hyperbole without having done your research; csm6 offers a variety of wildly different opinions on a broad spectrum of issues - but when it comes to pressure tactics, we get the job done as a unit, for the benefit of all (unless you don't like Crucible and loved Incarna, in which case i magnanimously welcome your spite).
the idea that i control seleene or trebor is simply laughable - and if you repeat such tosh, your candidacy will be too.
edit:
i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods.
I've always given the CSM 6 props for their effectiveness, its why I'm trying to make sure there are some carebears in the next CSM to help delute the effectiveness at driving CCP focus to the interests of nulsec power blocks you guys represent.
I also recongnize there is variety in the opinions of the CSM 6. I would never deny that. However, you have created a situation where there is a widely held perception that you do in fact dominate the CSM 6. I can't say I'm in that camp and don't intend to run a VoR vs. a single individual is the CSM campaign. Now VoR vs. a myoptic "our primary interests over all others" power block seeking to dominate the CSM 7, that is my campaign in a nutshell. Ok, not entirely. Here is the essense of my campaign.
Eve is PvP CONFLICT in every element of the experience.
This is not just "in ships, shoot a stranger in the face" conflict. It is fighting for isks when cleaning out a belt, when playing the markets, when collecting assetts missioning, it is being more efficient building to make more than the other guy. It is everything in Eve. And it is having fun doing it on your own terms. How, when and where you want to do it. In this giant multifaceted scifi universe sandbox simulator.
For too long we have been told by the "elite" that there is an "endgame" we all must be driven to in null and that aspects of we enjoy, like RP, small high sec corps, solo play and eventually walking in stations is something we should be ashamed of and be forced to abandon. I call to others, like myself that reject the notion that a small group of powerful players can dictate to CCP changes in our game that devalue our chosen style of game play. I believe that the CSM 6 showed very clearly that the CSM can distract CCP to focus on the interests of a powerful minority and ignore the majority of the players of Eve.
I do appreciate the dialog with the members of the CSM 6 that have chosen to post here.
Issler |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2778
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 23:01:00 -
[147] - Quote
instead of repeating your platform why don't you back up and try to deal with the mortal blow weaselior dealt you by demonstrating to all your ignorance about a core aspect of your platform
issler: i run on boosting mining but know nothing about the single biggest issue impacting mining's worth, literally for years now
this is kind of like when rick perry forgot his platform in the middle of a primary debate The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 23:06:00 -
[148] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:
i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods.
That is about nul and not the daily high sec belt miner. When I talk about real improvmements in the mining experience I'm talking about how mining works for the average player. Noodling with sources of high end minerals will affect markets to be sure but the majority of miners won't notice a thing. They don't mine the ore those minerals come from. Thanks for a great example of the basic disconnect that CSM 6 has with the average "carebear" miner. Issler hello issler i hate to pull your pants down in front of the entire class but drone alloys are the biggest source of low-ends in the game, the things the average miner mines I hope this was edifying to you!
I hate to pull your pants down but as I said, that will affect MARKETS! Not the fundamental mining experience that every miner has since mining was put in Eve. You know, the thing that every PvP-er describes when they belittle miners for doing something boring and repetitive.
Learn to read more carefully. I said right up front markets will be affected, but that doesn't change warp to belt, approach rock of interest, target, activate laser...yawn... repeat, do one of a couple of the same things for years with the ore one you fill your hull.... rinse, repeat.
That is the mining experience that needs some improvements, that is what I meant. If you don't see that as the problem then you really have no idea what miners would like to see improve.
Issler |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
592
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 23:08:00 -
[149] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Here is the essense of my campaign. Eve is PvP CONFLICT in every element of the experience.
This is not just "in ships, shoot a stranger in the face" conflict. It is fighting for isks when cleaning out a belt, when playing the markets, when collecting assetts missioning, it is being more efficient building to make more than the other guy. It is everything in Eve. And it is having fun doing it on your own terms. How, when and where you want to do it. In this giant multifaceted scifi universe sandbox simulator.
For too long we have been told by the "elite" that there is an "endgame" we all must be driven to in null and that aspects of we enjoy, like RP, small high sec corps, solo play and eventually walking in stations is something we should be ashamed of and be forced to abandon. I call to others, like myself that reject the notion that a small group of powerful players can dictate to CCP changes in our game that devalue our chosen style of game play. I believe that the CSM 6 showed very clearly that the CSM can distract CCP to focus on the interests of a powerful minority and ignore the majority of the players of Eve.
Maybe I am missing something, but did you forget to include your actual plan here? This sounds like a marketing blurb for the game.
I also missed the part where the CSM banned RP though, so maybe I am just not paying attention today. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
18
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 23:10:00 -
[150] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:
i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods.
That is about nul and not the daily high sec belt miner. When I talk about real improvmements in the mining experience I'm talking about how mining works for the average player. Noodling with sources of high end minerals will affect markets to be sure but the majority of miners won't notice a thing. They don't mine the ore those minerals come from. Thanks for a great example of the basic disconnect that CSM 6 has with the average "carebear" miner. Issler quoting for posterity |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 23:11:00 -
[151] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:[That is about nul and not the daily high sec belt miner. When I talk about real improvmements in the mining experience I'm talking about how mining works for the average player. I don't know if nullsec miners (heh) would be considered the average player.
Issler Dainze wrote:but that doesn't change warp to belt, approach rock of interest, target, activate laser...yawn... repeat, do one of a couple of the same things for years with the ore one you fill your hull.... rinse, repeat. Align to gate 2F-, align to gate. Warp. Warp. Wait, if you warped your dead.
More interesting mining would be great, though. We might need to mine all these high-end ores after the drone region changes. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
|
Posted - 2012.02.01 23:20:00 -
[152] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:weaselior ownzoned issler out of her own candidacy thread
hi5s all around
You mean the guy that shows he misread my post and has no clue as what needs to change to make mining more enjoyable. It isn't just about isks, its about the activity itself.
This is where so many lose the plot. How many isks you make per hour isn't the metric that matters. It is the amount of fun you have per hour that matters most of all. The isks you make contributes to that but is only one of many factors.
The other part about mining is you quickly plateau. You can quickly train all the skills that will ever matter to you, get the best ships that help you mine and then then what? When is the last time something that changed the mining experience or provided a new skill to learn was put into Eve? And yet, this is an activity a huge segment of Eve spends their time doing.
For example, PvX, there is the complexity of ship fitting, even ship choice, real time activities that affect the outcome and real skill will improve your results, you learn and get better. There is no reason mining can't be made more like that.
I'd even suggest this, if mining was working the way a lot of miners would like it, it would be a lot hard to bot it. It would be a dynamic activity where active real time participation would improve results dramatically.
And again thanks for the excellent example of how you don't get mining.
Issler |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1875
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:28:00 -
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signing your posts doesn't win you votes sorry andski for csm7~ |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:43:00 -
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Two step wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Here is the essense of my campaign. Eve is PvP CONFLICT in every element of the experience.
This is not just "in ships, shoot a stranger in the face" conflict. It is fighting for isks when cleaning out a belt, when playing the markets, when collecting assetts missioning, it is being more efficient building to make more than the other guy. It is everything in Eve. And it is having fun doing it on your own terms. How, when and where you want to do it. In this giant multifaceted scifi universe sandbox simulator.
For too long we have been told by the "elite" that there is an "endgame" we all must be driven to in null and that aspects of we enjoy, like RP, small high sec corps, solo play and eventually walking in stations is something we should be ashamed of and be forced to abandon. I call to others, like myself that reject the notion that a small group of powerful players can dictate to CCP changes in our game that devalue our chosen style of game play. I believe that the CSM 6 showed very clearly that the CSM can distract CCP to focus on the interests of a powerful minority and ignore the majority of the players of Eve.
Maybe I am missing something, but did you forget to include your actual plan here? This sounds like a marketing blurb for the game. I also missed the part where the CSM banned RP though, so maybe I am just not paying attention today.
Can you point at a single game element suggested by CSM 6 that was focused at improving RP? You don't have to ban something if you can get CCP 100% focused on something else.
Plans with details to follow, remember, we aren't even in the election period yet. My activities so far have been to spread the word about the party and to if there are other canadiate interested. Remember, I want to support the best possible high sec non power block aligned candidates to make sure there is representation in CSM 7, and it is very possible that is someone other than me.
Issler |
Wolfduke
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:45:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:]This is where so many lose the plot. How many isks you make per hour isn't the metric that matters. It is the amount of fun you have per hour that matters most of all. The isks you make contributes to that but is only one of many factors.
I think all miners would disagree there. ISK is ALWAYS the bottom line.
Issler Dainze wrote:]The other part about mining is you quickly plateau. You can quickly train all the skills that will ever matter to you, get the best ships that help you mine and then then what? When is the last time something that changed the mining experience or provided a new skill to learn was put into Eve? And yet, this is an activity a huge segment of Eve spends their time doing.
Quickly train? Again I beg to differ. Any idea how long it takes to train Exhumers V? Ore processing V? Mining Foreman Links?
Issler Dainze wrote:I'd even suggest this, if mining was working the way a lot of miners would like it, it would be a lot hard to bot it. It would be a dynamic activity where active real time participation would improve results dramatically.
Unfortunately you have yet to demonstrate or even hint at what this might even begin to entail.
Issler Dainze wrote:And again thanks for the excellent example of how you don't get mining.
It would appear that you don't either.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:46:00 -
[156] - Quote
Andski wrote:signing your posts doesn't win you votes sorry
As I've explained in the past, I sign my posts as "branding".
Issler and doesn't you "sig" declaring you as running for the CSM 7 amount to the same thing?
Issler |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
572
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:46:00 -
[157] - Quote
Mother of god. This thread has severely damaged by faith in humanity.
Some people really, genuinely cannot tell when they should quit, can they? |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:47:00 -
[158] - Quote
Wolfduke wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:]This is where so many lose the plot. How many isks you make per hour isn't the metric that matters. It is the amount of fun you have per hour that matters most of all. The isks you make contributes to that but is only one of many factors. I think all miners would disagree there. ISK is ALWAYS the bottom line. Issler Dainze wrote:]The other part about mining is you quickly plateau. You can quickly train all the skills that will ever matter to you, get the best ships that help you mine and then then what? When is the last time something that changed the mining experience or provided a new skill to learn was put into Eve? And yet, this is an activity a huge segment of Eve spends their time doing. Quickly train? Again I beg to differ. Any idea how long it takes to train Exhumers V? Ore processing V? Mining Foreman Links? Issler Dainze wrote:I'd even suggest this, if mining was working the way a lot of miners would like it, it would be a lot hard to bot it. It would be a dynamic activity where active real time participation would improve results dramatically. Unfortunately you have yet to demonstrate or even hint at what this might even begin to entail. Issler Dainze wrote:And again thanks for the excellent example of how you don't get mining. It would appear that you don't either.
Since I've run a mining corp with great success for 5+ years, I think I have some idea what miners want and it definitely is not "isks per hour".
Issler |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
572
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:49:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
Issler
Your name is over there to the left, under your portrait. Repeating this does nothing except annoy people who read it. Some people use that fact in order to elicit negative responses out of people, but some are just oblivious.
Though, it might just get you an invite to the Tautology Club. They're very selective, only accepting a handful of applicants. You have to prove to them that you would fit in, by making it clear that your share their interests. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2163
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:50:00 -
[160] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:
i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods.
That is about nul and not the daily high sec belt miner. When I talk about real improvmements in the mining experience I'm talking about how mining works for the average player. Noodling with sources of high end minerals will affect markets to be sure but the majority of miners won't notice a thing. They don't mine the ore those minerals come from. Thanks for a great example of the basic disconnect that CSM 6 has with the average "carebear" miner. Issler hello issler i hate to pull your pants down in front of the entire class but drone alloys are the biggest source of low-ends in the game, the things the average miner mines I hope this was edifying to you! I hate to pull your pants down but as I said, that will affect MARKETS! Not the fundamental mining experience that every miner has since mining was put in Eve. You know, the thing that every PvP-er describes when they belittle miners for doing something boring and repetitive. Learn to read more carefully. I said right up front markets will be affected, but that doesn't change warp to belt, approach rock of interest, target, activate laser...yawn... repeat, do one of a couple of the same things for years with the ore one you fill your hull.... rinse, repeat. That is the mining experience that needs some improvements, that is what I meant. If you don't see that as the problem then you really have no idea what miners would like to see improve. Issler
hello issler
i will work on reading you more closely! i did that, and found, once again, you said this:
"Noodling with sources of high end minerals will affect markets to be sure but the majority of miners won't notice a thing. They don't mine the ore those minerals come from."
you may notice that this is horribly wrong because the drone regions - the largest source of low-end minerals - produce the very minerals 'the majority of miners' mine.
in the future when you get 0wned and need to claim you never said any such thing, I recommend waiting a day or two so i won't immediately notice and 0wn you again, and to cut out the offending portion from the quote so your own post doesn't include both the thing you said and a denial of ever saying such thing
now that we've all agreed the CSM has done more to improve the life of the average miner than all CSMs before it, we can and should discuss further ways chairman for life the mittani will improve mining in CSM7 so we can populate the belts with more prey to devour |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:52:00 -
[161] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Issler
Your name is over there to the left, under your portrait. Repeating this does nothing except annoy people who read it. Some people use that fact in order to elicit negative responses out of people, but some are just oblivious. Though, it might just get you an invite to the Tautology Club. They're very selective, only accepting a handful of applicants. You have to prove to them that you would fit in, by making it clear that your share their interests.
Well, I will consider that feedback. |
Wolfduke
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:56:00 -
[162] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
Since I've run a mining corp with great success for 5+ years, I think I have some idea what miners want and it definitely is not "isks per hour".
Issler
Have you yourself mined? Have you canvassed those you claim to lead? What was their response? Do you have a rebuttal to the other points I made? |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:58:00 -
[163] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:
i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods.
That is about nul and not the daily high sec belt miner. When I talk about real improvmements in the mining experience I'm talking about how mining works for the average player. Noodling with sources of high end minerals will affect markets to be sure but the majority of miners won't notice a thing. They don't mine the ore those minerals come from. Thanks for a great example of the basic disconnect that CSM 6 has with the average "carebear" miner. Issler hello issler i hate to pull your pants down in front of the entire class but drone alloys are the biggest source of low-ends in the game, the things the average miner mines I hope this was edifying to you! I hate to pull your pants down but as I said, that will affect MARKETS! Not the fundamental mining experience that every miner has since mining was put in Eve. You know, the thing that every PvP-er describes when they belittle miners for doing something boring and repetitive. Learn to read more carefully. I said right up front markets will be affected, but that doesn't change warp to belt, approach rock of interest, target, activate laser...yawn... repeat, do one of a couple of the same things for years with the ore one you fill your hull.... rinse, repeat. That is the mining experience that needs some improvements, that is what I meant. If you don't see that as the problem then you really have no idea what miners would like to see improve. Issler hello issler i will work on reading you more closely! i did that, and found, once again, you said this: "Noodling with sources of high end minerals will affect markets to be sure but the majority of miners won't notice a thing. They don't mine the ore those minerals come from." you may notice that this is horribly wrong because the drone regions - the largest source of low-end minerals - produce the very minerals 'the majority of miners' mine. in the future when you get 0wned and need to claim you never said any such thing, I recommend waiting a day or two so i won't immediately notice and 0wn you again, and to cut out the offending portion from the quote so your own post doesn't include both the thing you said and a denial of ever saying such thing now that we've all agreed the CSM has done more to improve the life of the average miner than all CSMs before it, we can and should discuss further ways chairman for life the mittani will improve mining in CSM7 so we can populate the belts with more prey to devour
You are using the isk per hour, not the enjoyment per hour metric. My point is mining as an activity is what needs improvement. Making the bots more money per hour which is a side affect fo this change could just feed the common conspiracy theory that it is the nul power blocks that benefit the most from mining bots.
Start thinking about how the actual experience of mining could be made more challenging and fun and then you can understand what I want to bring to mining. The CSM 6 did nothing to address the fundemental improvements in mining that from direct experience I know that many miners would like.
It is fun per hour that matter most. Once the markets adjust the overal experience for high sec miners will be "same as it ever was".
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1875
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:02:00 -
[164] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Making the bots more money per hour which is a side affect fo this change could just feed the common conspiracy theory that it is the nul power blocks that benefit the most from mining bots.
there are no mining bots in high-sec, nope not at all andski for csm7~ |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:05:00 -
[165] - Quote
Wolfduke wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Since I've run a mining corp with great success for 5+ years, I think I have some idea what miners want and it definitely is not "isks per hour".
Issler
Have you yourself mined? Have you canvassed those you claim to lead? What was their response? Do you have a rebuttal to the other points I made?
My focus in Eve has been almost 100% mining focused, I have mined myself for years, I have represented miners in 2 previous CSMs.
Sorry about the lack of point by point rebuttal but I generally don't find members of nulsec power blocks to be very close to the feelings of the high sec small corp miners I seek to represent.
If you'd like to make a case that mining has an extensive career path with active and dynamic elements and that real skill can dramatically improve your results like it does in PvX ship combat or that it isn't about fun per hour but only isks per hour I'm happy to debate you.
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
573
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:10:00 -
[166] - Quote
I have to say, I heartily approve of Weaselior's subtle trolling. |
Wolfduke
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:12:00 -
[167] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Wolfduke wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Since I've run a mining corp with great success for 5+ years, I think I have some idea what miners want and it definitely is not "isks per hour".
Issler
Have you yourself mined? Have you canvassed those you claim to lead? What was their response? Do you have a rebuttal to the other points I made? My focus in Eve has been almost 100% mining focused, I have mined myself for years, I have represented miners in 2 previous CSMs. Sorry about the lack of point by point rebuttal but I generally don't find members of nulsec power blocks to be very close to the feelings of the high sec small corp miners I seek to represent. If you'd like to make a case that mining has an extensive career path with active and dynamic elements and that real skill can dramatically improve your results like it does in PvX ship combat or that it isn't about fun per hour but only isks per hour I'm happy to debate you.
PVE is crap, missions are repetitive, rats are repetitive and plexes are only enjoyable for the pot at the end of the rainbow. But people do it because it generates ISK.
Mining is also an isk generating venture. If you wanted to continue on from that then you would manufacture, research, market. To make the argument that mining should be improved because it is boring is to say that all base level isk generating activities should be made more enjoyable - it does not make sense as ISK is a means to an end. If miners want more than click click rinse repeat then the opportunities are there for them.
As for the "nullsec" (note the additional l there) powerblock thing - to think that we are only interested in our own little world is both ignorant and degrading. If you wish to make a stand for CSM then I would expect such a candidate to make full and considered response - not bare minimum posts with the intent to either fob off or disenfranchise the recipient. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:17:00 -
[168] - Quote
Andski wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Making the bots more money per hour which is a side affect fo this change could just feed the common conspiracy theory that it is the nul power blocks that benefit the most from mining bots. there are no mining bots in high-sec, nope not at all
Never said that, just saying there is a popular conspiracy theory that claims the big alliances are the ones botting the most and the folks that hold to than notion will claim the CSM 6 pushed for this change to maximize their profits. I think those same folks go on to connect it to RMT and would then say the money is used to pay for the Quafe filled underground grotto that is under Mittens secret lair.
I could see that maybe being true in part, in that in well controlled alliance held nulsec some alliances would let some members bot, but why would mittens spend a second messing with bots when he controls isk printing moons? So I thnk I'd be surprised if there was any thruth to those rumors. Although if it turns out Mittens does have a Quafe filled underground grotto you heard it here first!
You have to admit that if mining was changes to something that required real time player feedback to maximize yields you could create a system much harder to bot. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:29:00 -
[169] - Quote
Wolfduke wrote:
1. I think all miners would disagree there. ISK is ALWAYS the bottom line.
2. Quickly train? Again I beg to differ. Any idea how long it takes to train Exhumers V? Ore processing V? Mining Foreman Links?
3. Unfortunately you have yet to demonstrate or even hint at what this might even begin to entail.
4. It would appear that you don't either.
You are right, no matter where you hail from, you deserve a specifc point by point rebutal.
1. I have run a mining corp for half a decade. It is about fun per hour that keeps people in Eve no matter what you do. So I am sorry but I disagree with you. If you disagree then I would suggest you play a game called "Progress Quest" where you don't have to do anything to accumulate "wealth".
2. Getting those skills to V will increase your profit, however, they don't change anything about what you can fly or how you mine. They do not make it more fun per hour of play. If you are mining to maximize isks per hour I would argue that you should consider other activities in Eve.
3. Imagine the UI presented you with a "mining display" where all elements are presented grpahicallyand you had to adjust elements to keep the laser producing. Depending on how those are shown in the UI it could be made much more difficult to script any sort of effective bot. If CCP was serious about making it extremely hard they could even take measures that would prevent any easy client side hacking that could circumvent that.
4. And you are wrong and my history in game make that clear.
There you go, the rebutal you requested.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:36:00 -
[170] - Quote
Wolfduke wrote:
PVE is crap, missions are repetitive, rats are repetitive and plexes are only enjoyable for the pot at the end of the rainbow. But people do it because it generates ISK.
Mining is also an isk generating venture. If you wanted to continue on from that then you would manufacture, research, market. To make the argument that mining should be improved because it is boring is to say that all base level isk generating activities should be made more enjoyable - it does not make sense as ISK is a means to an end. If miners want more than click click rinse repeat then the opportunities are there for them.
As for the "nullsec" (note the additional l there) powerblock thing - to think that we are only interested in our own little world is both ignorant and degrading. If you wish to make a stand for CSM then I would expect such a candidate to make full and considered response - not bare minimum posts with the intent to either fob off or disenfranchise the recipient.
So everyone that PvEs in Eve is "wrong"? Same for "missions and rats". And the only thing you like about plexes is the pay off?
I would suggest that many folks in Eve continue to participate in those activities and just because you don't enjoy them, many folks do.
You're opinion about that is enjoyable in Eve is just that, your opinion. Statisitcs prove you mostly wrong because if you were correct no one would be doing any of those things.
You actually are going a great job of making the case that we need someone with a broader appreciation of how the majority of players in Eve choose to spend their time. Because if the CSM could get CCP to make a game with the kind of feeback you just provided Eve would be dead in a year.
You are entitled to your opinion, you are not entitled to make everyone else adopt it however.
Honestly, given how little you seem to like most of the elements of Eve I'd love to hear what keeps you playing. I'm being serious, what makes Eve worth your time in your opinion? |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
934
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:38:00 -
[171] - Quote
Wolfduke wrote:I think all miners would disagree there. ISK is ALWAYS the bottom line.
If ISK was indeed the bottom line, they would be running missions for 20M ISK/hr, not 7M ISK/hr. For all the people I know who participate in mining, the main motivation is shooting the breeze, socializing, and participating in a low-attention activity where ISK is a convenient side effect. For w-space in particular, mining is something they do because they literally have nothing else to do: no signatures, no anomalies, waiting for reactions to complete before opening the exit and heading off to market.
That lady who stood up at FanFest 2011 is truly representative of hisec miners. They like their relatively relaxing hypnotic screen saver. That aspect of gameplay is important to them.
Wolfduke wrote:Quickly train? Again I beg to differ. Any idea how long it takes to train Exhumers V? Ore processing V? Mining Foreman Links?
"Quick" is a relative term in EVE. The SP ceiling for mining is lower than the SP ceiling for, say, T2 cruisers. An Orca is a far less efficient mining boat than an Osprey, much less a Hulk. One of my characters is a perfect hulk pilot, but has fewer SP invested in mining than flying an Oracle with T2 large pulse lasers. Sure, the SP ceiling for T2 frigates is lower, if you stay away from EAS. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
935
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:53:00 -
[172] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:As for Seleene's comments about "getting things done" GÇö yes, at least under this CSM the trains ran on time. Pity noone knew where the stations where, what time the trains ran, or where the damned things were going.
As analogies go, this pretty much owns and I'm going to steal the hell out of it at some point.
Hopefully you can combine it with a statement about lifting skirts and not holding cards too close to ones' chest. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:54:00 -
[173] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Wolfduke wrote:I think all miners would disagree there. ISK is ALWAYS the bottom line. If ISK was indeed the bottom line, they would be running missions for 20M ISK/hr, not 7M ISK/hr. For all the people I know who participate in mining, the main motivation is shooting the breeze, socializing, and participating in a low-attention activity where ISK is a convenient side effect. For w-space in particular, mining is something they do because they literally have nothing else to do: no signatures, no anomalies, waiting for reactions to complete before opening the exit and heading off to market. That lady who stood up at FanFest 2011 is truly representative of hisec miners. They like their relatively relaxing hypnotic screen saver. That aspect of gameplay is important to them. Wolfduke wrote:Quickly train? Again I beg to differ. Any idea how long it takes to train Exhumers V? Ore processing V? Mining Foreman Links? "Quick" is a relative term in EVE. The SP ceiling for mining is lower than the SP ceiling for, say, T2 cruisers. An Orca is a far less efficient mining boat than an Osprey, much less a Hulk. One of my characters is a perfect hulk pilot, but has fewer SP invested in mining than flying an Oracle with T2 large pulse lasers. Sure, the SP ceiling for T2 frigates is lower, if you stay away from EAS.
There is a big social aspect to mining in high sec. It is definitely what drives mining in my corp. Cooperative activities with a strong social element. How many times have you met a miner that was in corp "x" but left because there were never any mining ops? We hear that all the time from folks joining us from other corps.
The ability to keep mining an activity that can stay similar to the current experience if that is what the player wants is important. What I'd like to see is a new more active element. So if you want an more challenging and rewarding mining experience you can be more real time focused and get better rewards. Say a new family of realtime active mining lasers that you have to focus on the 'roid. Or another class of mining droids that you control real time. Just some brainstorming of possible new mining experiences.
An idea I still come back to us comets, something that would add some new skills, something you would have to mine "actively" and if done right could become somethat that as your real skill improves so do your outcomes.
There will be some VoR discussions during the elections with miners to see if we can develop some ideas to present to CCP so that maybe the miners can finally get some long overdue attention.
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
593
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:20:00 -
[174] - Quote
The role of the CSM isn't to play Junior Game Designer and come up with some new system for mining. CCP has people to design stuff. If fact, those people are kinda protective of their jobs and really don't appreciate some amateur telling them what to do.
I would expect someone who has been on the CSM before to know all this. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
620
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:36:00 -
[175] - Quote
Two step wrote:The role of the CSM isn't to play Junior Game Designer and come up with some new system for mining. CCP has people to design stuff. If fact, those people are kinda protective of their jobs and really don't appreciate some amateur telling them what to do.
I would expect someone who has been on the CSM before to know all this.
I have long held that the CSM is not mean to be Eve's "feature farries" to CCP. The CSM 6 seems to have changed that to being CCPs thought leaders in Eve. So I would absolutely strongly advocate the idea of new mining experience to CCP as part of the CSM 7.
If you search some of my posts in the general discsussion section (may be the old forums by now) you'll see I made a call out to CCP to ignore the shouty minority and let the game designers do their job and to surprise us with their awesomeness. Sadly, that seemed to fall on deaf ears.
I am just offering ideas in order to start dialogs. I have no expectation that anything I suggest gets implements as suggested. I offered those ideas in response to someone asking to clarify what I meant by new mining experiences.
What my job in the CSM would be is to make sure that CCP comes up with that new mining experience because I believe there is a strong interest in one in the mining player community.
And as for my experience, I have direct experience in the games industry and in fact every time you play Eve you are usng a graphics pipeline I helped invent.
So could you explain again what your post was trying to accomplish? |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1366
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Posted - 2012.02.02 02:17:00 -
[176] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:considering Trebor signed on csm5's open letter against incarna more than a year ago i'm going to say you're a sad-sack tryhard troll I have to step in and correct this blatant falsehood.
I did not "sign on" to the open letter. I was one of the principal authors of the letter.
The entire of CSM5 was united behind the letter, with the exception of one person who changed her mind at the last moment. Our only real differences were about how to best get our message across.
Furthermore, quoting from the letter: "The CSM would like to reiterate that we are not opposed to the development of Incarna; rather we are primarily concerned about the apparent lack of significant planning for a feature CCP properly regards as crucial to the future of the company, and the game we love so much."
IMHO, Incarna -- properly planned and implemented -- could be an interesting addition to the game. But the development cost to do that correctly would be very high, and there are simply too many other things that have much higher bang-for-buck.
I dare say that very few people would give further significant Incarna development a higher priority than, say, improvements in mining (which were encouraged by both CSM5 and CSM6). CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism! CSM 6 Activities Summary | My CSM blog |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2790
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Posted - 2012.02.02 02:23:00 -
[177] - Quote
weaselior has a good point: there is literally no candidate on this earth (possible exception being helicity, should he decide to run) that is as keen on seeing hisec belts packed with happy miners as me
so i can murder them and coat my orca in their entrails, and then scam them for protection money, and then kill them again~ The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
432
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Posted - 2012.02.02 02:59:00 -
[178] - Quote
I'm just marveling that an off-hand comment I made turned this into a, "NO I WANT BETTER MINING!!!" thread. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.02 03:07:00 -
[179] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:so i can murder them and coat my orca in their entrails, and then scam them for protection money, and then kill them again~ They won't be happy for too long if you do that.
But the happiness is transferred from them elsewhere so I guess in total society should not be worse off.
Seleene wrote:I'm just marveling that an off-hand comment I made turned this into a, "NO I WANT BETTER MINING!!!" thread. Mining is great, it gets us minerals to build more ships. Well, the drones have them beat, but that might change.
Still, I'm sure industrious miners will make up the shortfall if such a change were to occur, be mining boring or not. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
222
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Posted - 2012.02.02 07:47:00 -
[180] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:The Mittani wrote:Why should a hisec player support you over Trebor, who has a proven record of consistent support for the same constituency you claim to represent?
Is it that Trebor is skeptical of Incarna, and you prioritize 'ambulation' as something of value? Bear in mind that this same guy was in favor of Incarna like... let me recall... was it some 9 months ago? Surely i could stretch my memory and conduct a succesufl search for the written evidence of it (internet barely deletes and never forgets). considering Trebor signed on csm5's open letter against incarna more than a year ago i'm going to say you're a sad-sack tryhard troll your vote and your 'issue' literally does not matter to the playerbase, which is why subs are going up post-crucible rather than nosediving during your precious WiS experience i and basically everyone else playing this game welcome your emnity and rage with delight as we tool around in our newly-revamped and balanced and lag-free spaceship game (about spaceships) try second life~
Oh, my excuses for the misunderstanding: i was talking about you, Mittani, not about Trevor. It was in that petty op-eds you write for some online review. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
222
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Posted - 2012.02.02 08:01:00 -
[181] - Quote
Andski wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Rebalanced Destroyers - no use Logistics Ship Balancing -no use Hybrid Weapon Balancing -no use Time Dilation -no use Assault Frigate Balancing -no use
are you daft or do you just dismiss these changes as trivial because they're of no use to your gameplay niche i totally agree, balanced destroyers, assault frigates and hybrids are of no use at all excuse me while i go back to deciding on a fit for an astarte whose weapons have recently been boosted nicely still useless though lol!!!
Hey, my point was: "Crucible did nothing FOR ME", Seleene tried to show that actually Crucible did something FOR ME, and he's been pretty silent since i showed how Crucible actually did nothing for me, thus i unsubscribed my main and will unsubscribe this alt once the prepayment runs off in late April.
Because i am no longer playing this game, and essentially i join the only ones who still think that there is a slim chance that CCP will bring forward a reason to play this game in case that you're of the 80% who culdn't give a rat's ass of nullsec.
You know, currently there are two doors leading to EVE endgame. One says, "Join nullsec", and the other one says "Go F yourself elsewhere".
And so far CCP, the CSM and everyone-who-matters are intensively pointing the second door to 80% of the players. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
297
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Posted - 2012.02.02 08:13:00 -
[182] - Quote
csm are useless at ensuring the delivery of content that the vast majority of eve players hate - csm fails again |
Astro Semite
54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 09:53:00 -
[183] - Quote
Hi there. Is this the high security botting party?
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
436
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Posted - 2012.02.02 13:54:00 -
[184] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Hey, my point was: "Crucible did nothing FOR ME", Seleene tried to show that actually Crucible did something FOR ME, and he's been pretty silent since i showed how Crucible actually did nothing for me,
Nah, you can only hit a rubber wall with a hammer so many times before you decide to move on. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
222
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:48:00 -
[185] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Hey, my point was: "Crucible did nothing FOR ME", Seleene tried to show that actually Crucible did something FOR ME, and he's been pretty silent since i showed how Crucible actually did nothing for me,
Nah, you can only hit a rubber wall with a hammer so many times before you decide to move on.
Oh, now just look who failed to prove himself right. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2166
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 16:15:00 -
[186] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Seleene wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Hey, my point was: "Crucible did nothing FOR ME", Seleene tried to show that actually Crucible did something FOR ME, and he's been pretty silent since i showed how Crucible actually did nothing for me,
Nah, you can only hit a rubber wall with a hammer so many times before you decide to move on. Oh, now just look who failed to prove himself right. you're right, crucible was only an expansion that did something for anyone who wasn't an absolute blithering roleplaying moron and seleene was wrong to assume that you were not a moron
please accept his heartfelt apologies |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1894
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:50:00 -
[187] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Hey, my point was: "Crucible did nothing FOR ME", Seleene tried to show that actually Crucible did something FOR ME, and he's been pretty silent since i showed how Crucible actually did nothing for me, thus i unsubscribed my main and will unsubscribe this alt once the prepayment runs off in late April. Because i am no longer playing this game, and essentially i join the only ones who still think that there is a slim chance that CCP will bring forward a reason to play this game in case that you're of the 80% who culdn't give a rat's ass of nullsec. You know, currently there are two doors leading to EVE endgame. One says, "Join nullsec", and the other one says "Go F yourself elsewhere". And so far CCP, the CSM and everyone-who-matters are intensively pointing the second door to 80% of the players.
i'm sorry that crucible didn't expand on your bullshit niche
i'll be sure to take up your cause and ensure that wizard hats are added to the nex store andski for csm7~ |
None ofthe Above
9
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:55:00 -
[188] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:weaselior has a good point: there is literally no candidate on this earth (possible exception being helicity, should he decide to run) that is as keen on seeing hisec belts packed with happy miners as me ... so i can murder them and coat my orca in their entrails, and then scam them for protection money, and then kill them again~
Andski wrote:
i'm sorry that crucible didn't expand on your bullshit niche
i'll be sure to take up your cause and ensure that wizard hats are added to the nex store
andski for csm7~
Can't we do better than this?
Vote None ofthe Above!
Tired of the current CSM? Vote for me, I am None ofthe Above!
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2799
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Posted - 2012.02.02 20:17:00 -
[189] - Quote
None ofthe Above wrote:The Mittani wrote:weaselior has a good point: there is literally no candidate on this earth (possible exception being helicity, should he decide to run) that is as keen on seeing hisec belts packed with happy miners as me ... so i can murder them and coat my orca in their entrails, and then scam them for protection money, and then kill them again~ Andski wrote:
i'm sorry that crucible didn't expand on your bullshit niche
i'll be sure to take up your cause and ensure that wizard hats are added to the nex store
andski for csm7~ Can't we do better than this? Vote None ofthe Above!
since you've been posting just about everywhere trying to 'do better' and have only mustered 9 likes for your efforts, i'm going to hazard that you can't, no. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
None ofthe Above
9
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Posted - 2012.02.02 21:01:00 -
[190] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:
since you've been posting just about everywhere trying to 'do better' and have only mustered 9 likes for your efforts, i'm going to hazard that you can't, no.
Just getting warmed up.
Tired of the current CSM? Vote for me, I am None ofthe Above!
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Gizu Ichosira
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 22:56:00 -
[191] - Quote
Issler ,
My small group of friends (real friends, not alts) gathers a few times a week to assist the Empire factions in dealing with the ever-present NPC threat. I have also tried mining, trading, manufacturing and research in both high-security and low-security space, however I find these to be less fun and less profitable than running NPC missions with friends. Although I have no interest in harrassing other Capsuleers for 'lulz' or 'tears', I do appreciate the element of risk and excitement introduced by the sociopathic sadists who enjoy inflicting grief upon others.
Empire space needs better representation on the CSM. I agree that miners need new content, and I am impressed with your resiliance against trolling. Your candidate will have our support.
I would also like to suggest some changes to improve gameplay in Empire space:
-Non-mutual war declarations should not be valid in high-security systems. As it is today, Capsuleers in corporations that become the target of a war declaration have no choice but to leave their corp or remain docked indefinitely.
-Members of NPC corporations should be automatically involved in faction warfare, but only in low-security systems. This 'lite' FW will improve RP and encourage new Capsuleers to form fleets to enter low-sec space for PvP. If they wish to fly in low-sec without this added risk, they can join or create a player corp.
-Add the ability to 'undo' a gate jump if the other side of a gate is hostile and the Capsuleer does not wish to engage the campers. A 30 minute cool-down timer before the ability can be used again would prevent mis-use. Campers can still perform a strategic role by denying entry to a system, or attempt to catch the ships that ignore the danger and continue into the system.
-Stealing from a can or a wreck should evoke a global aggression timer. This would not incur the wrath of CONCORD - they have better things to do - however it would allow other players to punish the thief. CONCORD's current policy allows suicide gankers use 'alts' to collect loot from their victim's wreck with no risk. This change would also allow combat ships to protect miners from can-flippers.
-Add a way for Capsuleers to warn their Corporation or Alliance members when they suspect that a neutral ship is an 'alt' belonging to an enemy. They could be marked as "Suspected hostile alt" or "Suspected alt for Capsuleer [name]" on a shared persistant list. I assume some groups are already doing this out-of-game. It would be nice to see it included as a tool we can all use.
-Remove the ability to advertise contracts in local chat. That is not the purpose of local chat. If people want to buy your deadspace afterburner they will search for it in the existing contract search interface.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
224
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Posted - 2012.02.03 07:52:00 -
[192] - Quote
So you say this...
Gizu Ichosira wrote: -Non-mutual war declarations should not be valid in high-security systems. As it is today, Capsuleers in corporations that become the target of a war declaration have no choice but to leave their corp or remain docked indefinitely.
And right after this...
Gizu Ichosira wrote: -Members of NPC corporations should be automatically involved in faction warfare, but only in low-security systems. This 'lite' FW will improve RP and encourage new Capsuleers to form fleets to enter low-sec space for PvP. If they wish to fly in low-sec without this added risk, they can join or create a player corp.
You are either trolling or poorly coherent.
What you mean is that any noob or soloer who didn't create his one-person corp would become a legit PvP target (=no security status loss) by as much as entering lowsec to peek a look. A gankerbear's dream come true.
If you wanna FW, enrol yourself, but don't shove your playstyle down other player's throats (that's CCP's and CSM's business, and they are far more adept at telling everyone how to use the sandbox, BTW). |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
141
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 09:37:00 -
[193] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:[...] Here is a profile of the Eve pilot the VOR would represent.
Casual players, folks that don't have the time to commit to "serious" play styles for whatever reason. Folks looking for stress free space fun.
Independent pilots not interested in joining large alliances, folks that are in small corps or even just want to remain in an NPC corp.
Folks that prefer PvE over direct combat PvP.
Miners! When was the last time there was an interesting change in mining?
Low sec - a segment of the game that has been ignored forever! When I started I often mined in low sec, now no one mines in low sec because it just isn't worth the risk.
Industrialist - we still have huge problems in production like T2 BPOs, Technetium monopolies and a host of other issues.
Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case.
WiS - so many of us wanted ambulation and the current CSM clearly fought to kill it dead. Someone on the next CSM clearly needs to champion the future of ambulation.
Basically, folks that don't think null is interesting to them and want to enjoy life in Eve in a more PvE or PvP in markets only manner.
[...]
Issler That about sums up my style of playing EVE. You have my support with the VoR party, Issler.
The idea of this party is good because the main reason we have no real "carebear" representative in the CSM is the whole fragmentation of high-sec representatives. In the last election there where just far too many of candidates. Unforunately high-sec don't has the "save votes" that naturally come with big alliances and power blocks. The party idea is a good chance to place one or two "carebears" and small scale players on the CSM. The Mittani is propably right that it is very risky to try to put more than one candidate up against other well establisht candidates. But we will see how it will work out.
I briefly thought about running as a CSM candidate myself, but my time doesn't allow it and I fear my english speaking skills are much behind my actual writing skills . I hope we get some good and devoted candidates. If I can help in any way, let me know.
And please remember, the CSM isn't about telling CCP how they should do their job or work out plans but to communicate with the player representatives how they feel about different topics and ideas CCP comes up with. I think the current CSM has done a good job so far and I even agree with many topics and points of view they came up with. Kudos to members like Seleene, Trebor and even The Mittani. But having some CSM members who really represent most of my playing style is invaluable.
Really sad that this thread seems to derail because of stupid comments and discussions... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1038
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Posted - 2012.02.03 17:40:00 -
[194] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Issler
Your name is over there to the left, under your portrait. Repeating this does nothing except annoy people who read it. Some people use that fact in order to elicit negative responses out of people, but some are just oblivious. Though, it might just get you an invite to the Tautology Club. They're very selective, only accepting a handful of applicants. You have to prove to them that you would fit in, by making it clear that your share their interests. Gawd, clutching at straws now huh? Same as the rest of the Testy / Goonies posting in this thread.
I see no problem signing name at end of post. I myself do it quite often. It makes it more personal and friendly.
Issler has my vote for CSM.
DMC
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.02.03 20:18:00 -
[195] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Gawd, clutching at straws now huh? Same as the rest of the Testy / Goonies posting in this thread.
I see no problem signing name at end of post. I myself do it quite often. It makes it more personal and friendly. ] Meh, why not. As someone else noted, you could put it in a signature and save yourself the effort, but it has that bar in between, which kind of devalues it.
Besides, in long posts, who wants to scroll back up to see the name? (Of course the like button is also up there, but oh well)
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Shobon Welp
Band of Brothers
15
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Posted - 2012.02.03 21:03:00 -
[196] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Hey, my point was: "Crucible did nothing FOR ME".
No, your point was literally
"Apart from the...
... Improvements to the Fitting Window , Reduction in session change timer , Improved Commands, Drones try to return when hit warp, Scan Signature Filter , Market-to-Chat Dragging , Map Options Window Changes , Chat MotD Skill Queue Dragging, Market Links in 'Show Info' Window, Container Filter for Assets ,Rubber Band Selection, Corporation Locations (Bookmarks) , UI Scaling , Ship Spinning Counter , Blueprint type in Killmails, Implants in KillMails ,Fitting List Limit Raised ,Per-Ship Orbit ,Loot All option, Rebalanced Destroyers ,Logistics Ship Balancing, Hybrid Weapon Balancing, Customs Offices,Time Dilation,Full Avatar Portrait Viewer, Engine Trails, Fleet Watch list Member Increase, Drag and Drop Members in Fleet Watch lists, Assault Frigate Balancing, and theNew Neocom....
... what have the Romans CCP ever done for us?" |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
225
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 22:28:00 -
[197] - Quote
Shobon Welp wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Hey, my point was: "Crucible did nothing FOR ME". No, your point was literally "Apart from the... ... Improvements to the Fitting Window , Reduction in session change timer , Improved Commands, Drones try to return when hit warp, Scan Signature Filter , Market-to-Chat Dragging , Map Options Window Changes , Chat MotD Skill Queue Dragging, Market Links in 'Show Info' Window, Container Filter for Assets ,Rubber Band Selection, Corporation Locations (Bookmarks) , UI Scaling , Ship Spinning Counter , Blueprint type in Killmails, Implants in KillMails ,Fitting List Limit Raised ,Per-Ship Orbit ,Loot All option, Rebalanced Destroyers ,Logistics Ship Balancing, Hybrid Weapon Balancing, Customs Offices,Time Dilation,Full Avatar Portrait Viewer, Engine Trails, Fleet Watch list Member Increase, Drag and Drop Members in Fleet Watch lists, Assault Frigate Balancing, and theNew Neocom.... ... what have the Romans CCP ever done for us?"
Probably this is why am not paying them any more. Because i am so glad to log in 5 minutes a week to sort my skillqueue as this account approaches expiration, rather than play and do something that could interest me after three bloody years.
My first goal in EVE was "Awesome" but turned unachievable due to broken mechanics.
My second goal was "Cool" but it got killed in an attempt to shove a certain kind of gameplay into people not playing EVE the way CCP thinks they should.
I already achieved my third goal, which was "Nice", some months ago.
While i saw coming the achievement of my goal, I looked for another one. It was quite bland but probably would had served its purpose.
Then CCP spoiled it big time and now has but abandoned it, and they are devoting efforts to things that didn't interest me for three years.
And amazingly I pay for what I get, not for whatever others may get (call me selfish).
Got nothing with Crucible, my main is gone. Will get nothing after Fanfest, my alt will be gone.
So, what did CCP did for me? Losing a 3 years customer. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
629
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Posted - 2012.02.03 22:43:00 -
[198] - Quote
Gizu Ichosira wrote:Issler ,
My small group of friends (real friends, not alts) gathers a few times a week to assist the Empire factions in dealing with the ever-present NPC threat. I have also tried mining, trading, manufacturing and research in both high-security and low-security space, however I find these to be less fun and less profitable than running NPC missions with friends. Although I have no interest in harrassing other Capsuleers for 'lulz' or 'tears', I do appreciate the element of risk and excitement introduced by the sociopathic sadists who enjoy inflicting grief upon others.
Empire space needs better representation on the CSM. I agree that miners need new content, and I am impressed with your resiliance against trolling. Your candidate will have our support.
I would also like to suggest some changes to improve gameplay in Empire space:
-Non-mutual war declarations should not be valid in high-security systems. As it is today, Capsuleers in corporations that become the target of a war declaration have no choice but to leave their corp or remain docked indefinitely.
-Members of NPC corporations should be automatically involved in faction warfare, but only in low-security systems. This 'lite' FW will improve RP and encourage new Capsuleers to form fleets to enter low-sec space for PvP. If they wish to fly in low-sec without this added risk, they can join or create a player corp.
-Add the ability to 'undo' a gate jump if the other side of a gate is hostile and the Capsuleer does not wish to engage the campers. A 30 minute cool-down timer before the ability can be used again would prevent mis-use. Campers can still perform a strategic role by denying entry to a system, or attempt to catch the ships that ignore the danger and continue into the system.
-Stealing from a can or a wreck should evoke a global aggression timer. This would not incur the wrath of CONCORD - they have better things to do - however it would allow other players to punish the thief. CONCORD's current policy allows suicide gankers use 'alts' to collect loot from their victim's wreck with no risk. This change would also allow combat ships to protect miners from can-flippers.
-Add a way for Capsuleers to warn their Corporation or Alliance members when they suspect that a neutral ship is an 'alt' belonging to an enemy. They could be marked as "Suspected hostile alt" or "Suspected alt for Capsuleer [name]" on a shared persistant list. I assume some groups are already doing this out-of-game. It would be nice to see it included as a tool we can all use.
-Remove the ability to advertise contracts in local chat. That is not the purpose of local chat. If people want to buy your deadspace afterburner they will search for it in the existing contract search interface.
Some great stuff there that I want to respond to in more detail when I get a little time (This evening perhaps).
Thanks for the post!
Issler |
Gizu Ichosira
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.03 23:50:00 -
[199] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:So you say this... What you mean is that any noob or soloer who didn't create his one-person corp would become a legit PvP target (=no security status loss) by as much as entering lowsec to peek a look. A gankerbear's dream come true.
That is what I am saying. From my personal experience, noobs in low-sec are already nothing but target practice for gate campers and mission gankers. I would like to see members of NPC corps forming fleets for protection before venturing into dangerous space. This would encourage social play (it is and MMO after all) and it could be supported by the FW RP. There could be a warning message when attempting to enter a low-sec system that says "Your faction is at war! We do not recommend entering this system without a fleet! Join [channel name] to find nearby Capsuleers to help you."
If players were forced to leave the NPC corp and join a player corp to opt-out of the low-sec war, they would become vulnerable to non-mutual war declarations by other corps that only apply in low-sec. So under my proposed changes: high-sec space would always be reasonably safe, and low-sec would always involve a potential PvP risk (other than griefing). |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
873
|
Posted - 2012.02.04 00:07:00 -
[200] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
My first goal in EVE was "Awesome" but turned unachievable due to broken mechanics.
My second goal was "Cool" but it got killed in an attempt to shove a certain kind of gameplay into people not playing EVE the way CCP thinks they should.
I already achieved my third goal, which was "Nice", some months ago.
While i saw coming the achievement of my goal, I looked for another one. It was quite bland but probably would had served its purpose.
What exactly are these goals that wish to achieve?
No one can help you achieve your goals until you define them.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.02.04 00:19:00 -
[201] - Quote
Gizu Ichosira wrote:This would encourage social play (it is and MMO after all) and it could be supported by the FW RP. There could be a warning message when attempting to enter a low-sec system that says "Your faction is at war! We do not recommend entering this system without a fleet! Join [channel name] to find nearby Capsuleers to help you." That would be amazing!
Fleetwarp people into a massive pile of enemies, or a POS that will shoot them or something like that. Of course your disposable awoxing alt would die, but that's the way it must be.
Alternatively just get them to one side of a gatecamp and let them jump through into smartbombs or something. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
873
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Posted - 2012.02.04 00:19:00 -
[202] - Quote
Gizu Ichosira wrote: That is what I am saying. From my personal experience, noobs in low-sec are already nothing but target practice for gate campers and mission gankers. I would like to see members of NPC corps forming fleets for protection before venturing into dangerous space. This would encourage social play (it is and MMO after all) and it could be supported by the FW RP. There could be a warning message when attempting to enter a low-sec system that says "Your faction is at war! We do not recommend entering this system without a fleet! Join [channel name] to find nearby Capsuleers to help you."
How exactly is this different from how Faction Warfare already works? I must be missing something....
I thought it was common knowledge that FW is fought in lowsec, and it is common knowledge that when you move from highsec to lowsec you enter a dangerous zone. Players can already join the FW NPC corp and avoid player corps if they wish to remain individuals, and there is already militia channel for everyone in the NPC corp to use.
Is it really not spelled out clearly enough when you join Faction Warfare that lowsec is dangerous and that you should fleet with others? I mean, there's enough people confused about this that we need to specifically message them?
Serious question, not trolling, it's been two years since I enrolled so I don't know what they tell new players when you enlist these days.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
225
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Posted - 2012.02.04 10:37:00 -
[203] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Gizu Ichosira wrote: That is what I am saying. From my personal experience, noobs in low-sec are already nothing but target practice for gate campers and mission gankers. I would like to see members of NPC corps forming fleets for protection before venturing into dangerous space. This would encourage social play (it is and MMO after all) and it could be supported by the FW RP. There could be a warning message when attempting to enter a low-sec system that says "Your faction is at war! We do not recommend entering this system without a fleet! Join [channel name] to find nearby Capsuleers to help you."
How exactly is this different from how Faction Warfare already works? I must be missing something.... I thought it was common knowledge that FW is fought in lowsec, and it is common knowledge that when you move from highsec to lowsec you enter a dangerous zone. Players can already join the FW NPC corp and avoid player corps if they wish to remain individuals, and there is already militia channel for everyone in the NPC corp to use. Is it really not spelled out clearly enough when you join Faction Warfare that lowsec is dangerous and that you should fleet with others? I mean, there's enough people confused about this that we need to specifically message them? Serious question, not trolling, it's been two years since I enrolled so I don't know what they tell new players when you enlist these days.
His point is that everyone would be enrolled into FW just by not being in a player corp. And the difference with the current situation is that currently there is a punishment to blasting noobs in lowsec, but under his system there would not be that punishment. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
225
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Posted - 2012.02.04 11:09:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
My first goal in EVE was "Awesome" but turned unachievable due to broken mechanics.
My second goal was "Cool" but it got killed in an attempt to shove a certain kind of gameplay into people not playing EVE the way CCP thinks they should.
I already achieved my third goal, which was "Nice", some months ago.
While i saw coming the achievement of my goal, I looked for another one. It was quite bland but probably would had served its purpose.
What exactly are these goals that wish to achieve? No one can help you achieve your goals until you define them.
My first goal was to find a mercenary corp that effectively punished griefers. That was before I learned that EVE is all about being unable to punish griefers in any meaningful way, and the practical joke that griefers use bounty system to line their pockets was just to top the cake.
Everything else was related to being an uncool player and i don't feel like feeding the trolls. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
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Posted - 2012.02.04 11:16:00 -
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Gizu Ichosira wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:So you say this... What you mean is that any noob or soloer who didn't create his one-person corp would become a legit PvP target (=no security status loss) by as much as entering lowsec to peek a look. A gankerbear's dream come true. That is what I am saying. From my personal experience, noobs in low-sec are already nothing but target practice for gate campers and mission gankers. I would like to see members of NPC corps forming fleets for protection before venturing into dangerous space. This would encourage social play (it is and MMO after all) and it could be supported by the FW RP. There could be a warning message when attempting to enter a low-sec system that says "Your faction is at war! We do not recommend entering this system without a fleet! Join [channel name] to find nearby Capsuleers to help you." If players were forced to leave the NPC corp and join a player corp to opt-out of the low-sec war, they would become vulnerable to non-mutual war declarations by other corps that only apply in low-sec. So under my proposed changes: high-sec space would always be reasonably safe, and low-sec would always involve a potential PvP risk (other than griefing).
As i said, you just turn noobs into free for all lunches, without as much as a sec standing hit for killing them all day.
And also you are forcing people to gang with others, which they may not feel inclined to. You play your game the way you want, but don't tell others how to play their game, get it?
And BTW, i have always supported WiS to become an environment for griefing-free social gameplay. There are only so many youtube clips about retards killing their corpie's Machariel or a Goon stealing 80 billion from a lamer I can bear to see before thinking that EVE is the last place i would trust my fun into somebody else's hands... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.02.04 16:46:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:His point is that everyone would be enrolled into FW just by not being in a player corp. And the difference with the current situation is that currently there is a punishment to blasting noobs in lowsec, but under his system there would not be that punishment. Hm, that would help with the altcorp haulers/miners etc etc.
Does concord still interfere if you kill a FW target in hisec? By target I of course mean the extremely dangerous and terrifying freighter and hulk. In particular the "jita" spawn of the former and "veldspar" of the latter. |
Ghazu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.04 17:28:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
has this player ever been in a fleet? is why you were killed, hopelessly again and again simply because you were out numbered, picking the wrong fights, and a few other reasons.
exhibit 1
exhibit 2
i mean what do you expect, adapt or die or quit, have fun in your next game |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
226
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Posted - 2012.02.04 18:41:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai has this player ever been in a fleet?is why you were killed, hopelessly again and again simply because you were out numbered, picking the wrong fights, and a few other reasons. exhibit 1exhibit 2i mean what do you expect, adapt or die or quit, have fun in your next game
I've never PvP on purpose, but when i lost the pod. Also the Purifiers were gone learning to rat in lowsec. I don't have any kind of trauma about it. Also i belonged to two hisec corporations (one of them was robbed by the CEO right after moving to nullsec, but I still was in hisec), but never was in PvP.
So, why should i have been in a fleet? Most times i was either minding my hisec bussiness or looking for PvP or putting myself in risk of PvP on purpose.
And you may agree that losing 13 ships over 2 years is not exactly a battle-thirsty record.
(That list misses one loss, which i had with my first main... but then that loss was reimbursed by the killer, true! Was then when I fancied to help the "good fighters" and make life miserable to "worthless scum" to clean up EVE of them... ah, the noob's naivety... .)
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Traxev
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
2
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Posted - 2012.02.04 21:33:00 -
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What is your view on this concept?
High sec is nothing but botters carebears and noobs. All of these are too afraid to actually risk anything in eve and are too afraid of conflict to leave their bubble. Why should CCP continue to allow people to sit in high sec and have any effect on any aspect of the game when they pay a small amount for a great deal of protection against the conflict that drives this game? |
Gizu Ichosira
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 00:23:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: How exactly is this different from how Faction Warfare already works?
You're right, it's not really any different. I'm just suggesting that it should be mandatory for new players in NPC corps because it would force them to: a) form fleets with strangers for role playing combat, or b) join a player corp.
These are things that all new players should be doing eventually. Here's my secret agenda: I want to make it harder for people to use a safe 'alt' in a NPC corp for scouting/hauling/looting. Alts break the game.
Alavaria Fera wrote: Does concord still interfere if you kill a FW target in hisec?
Yes.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: As i said, you just turn noobs into free for all lunches, without as much as a sec standing hit for killing them all day.
Does anyone really care about sec standing in low-sec? You could make a pirate alt and train the skills to kill any noob in a week.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: You play your game the way you want, but don't tell others how to play their game, get it?
Isn't that the point of the CSM? I am offerring my suggestions to a potential candidate, who can choose whether to raise them with CCP at the annual meeting.
Traxev wrote: High sec is nothing but botters carebears and noobs.
This is a very common point of view. Some players think PvP is the ONLY way eve should be played. They would rather see high-sec, noobs, mission runners, miners and incursion farmers removed from the game. They call us all 'botters' because they don't understand how real people could actually enjoy doing these things. This is exactly why empire space needs representation on the CSM. The most recent CSM meeting minutes made it clear that the focus is on nullsec alliance warfare and nothing else.
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Traxev
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
3
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Posted - 2012.02.05 02:03:00 -
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Gizu Ichosira wrote:Traxev wrote: High sec is nothing but botters carebears and noobs.
This is a very common point of view. Some players think PvP is the ONLY way eve should be played. They would rather see high-sec, noobs, mission runners, miners and incursion farmers removed from the game. They call us all 'botters' because they don't understand how real people could actually enjoy doing these things. This is exactly why empire space needs representation on the CSM. The most recent CSM meeting minutes made it clear that the focus is on nullsec alliance warfare and nothing else.
I included botters in that list because it is now more efficient to bot lvl 4 missions in highsec then it is to bot rat in null sec, The same protections afforded to players now help the bots make more money.
To fully end your point. Lets put your scenario into perspective. You enjoy running lvl 4 missions or mining in high sec. How long is that going to keep you interested in the game? Maybe a few months? Maybe a year or two. Why should your views or the views of a small and constantly changing demographic (you would represent) be given a ninth of the voice of EVE to CCP? ( I could be wrong on that number but IIRC there are 7 chairs for the csm and 2 alternatives) You are representing such a small part of eve that probably isn't going to stay around. Do your opinions or input truly compare to the people being represented by the power bloc candidates null sec elects.
The first 5 CSMs were represented by candidates mostly originating from high sec. Why is it in the 5 years before this the people before you didn't get anything done and what makes you believe that you can do anything better?
You picked out one part of my post to talk about. Respond to the rest of it.
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Gizu Ichosira
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 03:55:00 -
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Traxev wrote: Why should your views or the views of a small and constantly changing demographic (you would represent) be given a ninth of the voice of EVE to CCP?
Ships destroyed in the week after the crucible update:
High Sec PvP: 11,676 PvE: 30,602
Low sec PvP: 21,104 PvE: 1,871
Null sec PvP: 37,866 PvE: 2,647
Wormhole Space PvP: 5,448 PvE: 783
Source: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3266
I can't find better statistics about the number of players active in each region. Since most players are paying a subscription fee to play, this data seems to indicate that Empire PvE is an important source of revenue for CCP, right? They probably care about that. |
Harold Tuphlos
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
38
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:17:00 -
[213] - Quote
Gizu Ichosira wrote:Traxev wrote: Why should your views or the views of a small and constantly changing demographic (you would represent) be given a ninth of the voice of EVE to CCP?
Ships destroyed in the week after the crucible update: High Sec PvP: 11,676 PvE: 30,602 more stuff
How do you even lose ship to rats in highsec? Even incursions are sleepwalking easy to do. I'm not sure we should trust the people that some how manage to lose 30k ships to npc's while literally doing paint-by-numbers! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.02.05 08:11:00 -
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Harold Tuphlos wrote:How do you even lose ship to rats in highsec? Even incursions are sleepwalking easy to do. I'm not sure we should trust the people that some how manage to lose 30k ships to npc's while literally doing paint-by-numbers! I don't think that's what it means. Wouldn't that be ships including NPC ships?
I see that the people in Empire must've been ratting or missioning. Surely the low rat kills in null is because we were all MINING !
Any numbers on asteroids destroyed in the same time period?
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
873
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Posted - 2012.02.05 08:19:00 -
[215] - Quote
Gizu Ichosira wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: Does concord still interfere if you kill a FW target in hisec?
Yes.
False. Faction Warfare pilots are free to shoot each other in highsec without Concord interference. The only thing we have to worry about in highsec are the opposing faction's navy, which only web, not scram. It is easier for FW pilots to fight each other in highsec than it is for a pirate to grief a neutral, as it should be.
We personally like the challenge - to get kills on the enemy in their own highsec space where NPC's back them up is one of the most glorious things you can do as a militia pilot - some operate like Rambo deep behind enemy lines ambushing enemy factions players in their own "home turf".
None of us consider it griefing though, we all signed up for the war of course so its all good fun! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
873
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Posted - 2012.02.05 08:26:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
873
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Posted - 2012.02.05 08:31:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
873
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Posted - 2012.02.05 08:38:00 -
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Gizu Ichosira wrote:
I can't find better statistics about the number of players active in each region. Since most players are paying a subscription fee to play, this data seems to indicate that Empire PvE is an important source of revenue for CCP, right? They probably care about that.
I can happily refer the group here to said statistics. John Turbefield AKA CCP Diagoras has a fantastic twitter feed where he dumps out all sorts of EvE statistics, and you can request info via twitter to him as well. He's a pretty cool dude. I suggest you "follow" him if you use twitter.
Anyways, here's the data from the latest graph he published, the data is less than two weeks old. The damn forums keep screwing up the link, I apologize.
20% Nullsec residents. 5% Wormholers. 8% Lowsec residents. 67% Highsec residents.
Keep in mind these are simply characters and where they reside, there is absolutely no way to prove how many of those are alts or mains of someone living in a different region.
All claims about who's an alt of whom are pure speculation. |
Gizu Ichosira
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 08:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: Does concord still interfere if you kill a FW target in hisec?
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: False.
Thanks! I was unsure about that. The official wiki page is confusing and there is conflicting information in player forum posts and blogs.
Back to my proposed change: do you think it would be good to introduce a 'lite' component of FW that applies to all members of NPC corporations, but only in low-security space? I think it will encourage new players to form fleets for PvP without taking away their feeling of safety in high-sec space. |
Traxev
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
4
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Posted - 2012.02.05 09:05:00 -
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Gizu Ichosira wrote:Traxev wrote: Why should your views or the views of a small and constantly changing demographic (you would represent) be given a ninth of the voice of EVE to CCP?
Ships destroyed in the week after the crucible update: High Sec PvP: 11,676 PvE: 30,602 Low sec PvP: 21,104 PvE: 1,871 Null sec PvP: 37,866 PvE: 2,647 Wormhole Space PvP: 5,448 PvE: 783 Source: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3266I can't find better statistics about the number of players active in each region. Since most players are paying a subscription fee to play, this data seems to indicate that Empire PvE is an important source of revenue for CCP, right? They probably care about that.
Lets take a look and compare just null and high sec.
High sec total ship loss 42278 Null Sec total ship loss 40513 Difference 1765
Darn I guess the split is about 51/49 I guess 51% IS a large source of revenue for ccp. But then again considering the massive clusterfuck nullsec has been for years That is hardly surprising.
But wait. What is this. Your post again picks a single point and then does nothing to refute anything in my follow up post or my main post.
You claim high sec is under represented. I claim its been over represented and over listened to through the years. I claim that CCP has been influenced far more by your choice of gameplay then what CCP really wants the game to be. I think CCP wants the game to be mostly about the null sec pvp and politics. Your little statistic only adds fuel to nullsec's point of view.
Its time for null sec to get fixed. Its time for all of the technological advances EVE and CCP have made to attract back the customers they lost that did play in null due to bad mechanics and bad server performance. Its time the game was more enjoyable for every gameplay style in nullsec then it is in highsec.
I say if you don't want cut throat hard core game mechanics and you want to sit in the relative protection of high sec without any real risk vs reward. You should go play farmville. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
230
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Posted - 2012.02.05 09:48:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Gizu Ichosira wrote:
I can't find better statistics about the number of players active in each region. Since most players are paying a subscription fee to play, this data seems to indicate that Empire PvE is an important source of revenue for CCP, right? They probably care about that.
I can happily refer the group here to said statistics. John Turbefield AKA CCP Diagoras has a fantastic twitter feed where he dumps out all sorts of EvE statistics, and you can request info via twitter to him as well. He's a pretty cool dude. I suggest you "follow" him if you use twitter. Anyways, here's the data from the latest graph he published, the data is less than two weeks old. The damn forums keep screwing up the link, I apologize. 20% Nullsec residents. 5% Wormholers. 8% Lowsec residents. 67% Highsec residents. Keep in mind these are simply characters and where they reside, there is absolutely no way to prove how many of those are alts or mains of someone living in a different region. All claims about who's an alt of whom are pure speculation.
Hisec, that useless, unconsequential part of the game... certainly there is no need that its dwellers are represented in the CSM... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Gizu Ichosira
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 09:59:00 -
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Traxev wrote: Its time the game was more enjoyable for every gameplay style in nullsec then it is in highsec.
You're not the only one who wants that. I suggest you take your suggestions for gameplay improvements and give them to a potential candidate who can represent your position on the CSM. That is how this works.
Traxev wrote: Your post again picks a single point and then does nothing to refute anything in my follow up post or my main post.
It is the most efficient way to conduct forum discussions. You do it too.
We have null-sec players attempting to hijack the discussion. This is a good sign. They fear the organized carebears |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
873
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:38:00 -
[223] - Quote
Gizu Ichosira wrote:
Thanks! I was unsure about that. The official wiki page is confusing and there is conflicting information in player forum posts and blogs.
Back to my proposed change: do you think it would be good to introduce a 'lite' component of FW that applies to all members of NPC corporations, but only in low-security space? I think it will encourage new players to form fleets for PvP without taking away their feeling of safety in high-sec space.
No joke. The Faction Warfare guide is difficult for the average player to find, and there is very little in-game to even show us basic things like intel on the progress of a system takeover. The whole interface and militia tab is horrendously outdated and more or less useless.
As for FW-lite, I'm not really in favor of forcing more people into Faction Warfare type situations until they fix the fundamental issues facing Faction Warfare to begin with. That was my only objection to them allowing Alliances in - I'm not against having more people to fight against, or having more new players come try it out, but they need to fix the core "carrot on a stick" motivational issue for people to fight over occupancy to begin with.
I argued when Soundwave first mentioned the change that it was a waste to open FW up to Alliances when most Alliances have no real reason to join right now in the first place. And that's precisely what happened, no alliances joined FW. Cause its still broke. Several of our corps have formed alliances, but only for easier sharing of bues and the like.
As for people doing more casual PvP in lowsec, I'm all for it. I think there should definitely be more ways for sec status to be less of an issue so that more "weekend warriors" can engage in lowsec pew without Concord giving a crap so much once you're back in highsec. I think there's a real strong difference between the mentality of lowsec pilots who pew for the challenge of it, and highsec gankers that do it just to **** people off. Most militias pilots only have negative sec status because we attack "suspected enemy neutral support" , not because we've spent time ganking people in high sec.
Even than, the reason you see so many FW pilots engaging in lowsec piracy in their spare time is that the abundance of actual FW pilots has dwindled. Fix Faction Warfare, and you'll see most of us "behaving ourselves" and getting back to just fighting flashy oranges again. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
230
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:48:00 -
[224] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Gizu Ichosira wrote:
Thanks! I was unsure about that. The official wiki page is confusing and there is conflicting information in player forum posts and blogs.
Back to my proposed change: do you think it would be good to introduce a 'lite' component of FW that applies to all members of NPC corporations, but only in low-security space? I think it will encourage new players to form fleets for PvP without taking away their feeling of safety in high-sec space.
No joke. The Faction Warfare guide is difficult for the average player to find, and there is very little in-game to even show us basic things like intel on the progress of a system takeover. The whole interface and militia tab is horrendously outdated and more or less useless. As for FW-lite, I'm not really in favor of forcing more people into Faction Warfare type situations until they fix the fundamental issues facing Faction Warfare to begin with. That was my only objection to them allowing Alliances in - I'm not against having more people to fight against, or having more new players come try it out, but they need to fix the core "carrot on a stick" motivational issue for people to fight over occupancy to begin with. I argued when Soundwave first mentioned the change that it was a waste to open FW up to Alliances when most Alliances have no real reason to join right now in the first place. And that's precisely what happened, no alliances joined FW. Cause its still broke. Several of our corps have formed alliances, but only for easier sharing of bues and the like. As for people doing more casual PvP in lowsec, I'm all for it. I think there should definitely be more ways for sec status to be less of an issue so that more "weekend warriors" can engage in lowsec pew without Concord giving a crap so much once you're back in highsec. I think there's a real strong difference between the mentality of lowsec pilots who pew for the challenge of it, and highsec gankers that do it just to **** people off. Most individuals like myself that live in lowsec only have negative sec status because we attack "suspected enemy neutral support" , not because we've spent time ganking people in high sec. Even than, the reason you see so many FW pilots engaging in lowsec piracy in their spare time is that the abundance of actual FW pilots has dwindled. Fix Faction Warfare, and you'll see most of us "behaving ourselves" and getting back to just fighting flashy oranges again.
I already suggested a nifty proposal to get hisec consensual PvP for "sports" so people could learn to PvP in a casual, friendly manner. Was another twist in the "arena" concept but a pretty solid one IMO; getting blast to pieces by an overkill is not exaclty going to tech you to PvP, and also PvP is economically inviable for most of the learning curve.
Here's the thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=297847#post297847 EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
75
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:04:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: I already suggested a nifty proposal to get hisec consensual PvP for "sports" so people could learn to PvP in a casual, friendly manner. Was another twist in the "arena" concept but a pretty solid one IMO; getting blast to pieces by an overkill is not exaclty going to tech you to PvP, and also PvP is economically inviable for most of the learning curve.
Arena PvP? Really? Did WoW just shut down recently and we got all their players? Not sure how you think your idea will teach players to PvP when it has so little in common with what EVE PvP is like.
BTW looking at your signature you do know those percentages for "EVE Residents" are for Characters not Players?
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Gizu Ichosira
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:36:00 -
[226] - Quote
Xorv wrote: do know those percentages for "EVE Residents" are for Characters not Players?
Do statistics exist for Players? It seems safe to assume that the number of Characters correlates with revenue for CCP, which means the statistic is relevant to this discussion. I could be wrong about this |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
230
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:43:00 -
[227] - Quote
Xorv wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: I already suggested a nifty proposal to get hisec consensual PvP for "sports" so people could learn to PvP in a casual, friendly manner. Was another twist in the "arena" concept but a pretty solid one IMO; getting blast to pieces by an overkill is not exaclty going to tech you to PvP, and also PvP is economically inviable for most of the learning curve.
Arena PvP? Really? Did WoW just shut down recently and we got all their players? Not sure how you think your idea will teach players to PvP when it has so little in common with what EVE PvP is like. BTW looking at your signature you do know those percentages for "EVE Residents" are for Characters not Players?
So what? There is no way to draw conclussions from that stats aside that, effectively, there are 3 characters in hisec for each one in nullsec.
Which begs the question on why nullsec is deemed so important when, spin it as you want, there's always 3 times more chars in hisec than nullsec.
Demographics-wise, nullsec is in the losing end of any argument. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2775
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:50:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Xorv wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: I already suggested a nifty proposal to get hisec consensual PvP for "sports" so people could learn to PvP in a casual, friendly manner. Was another twist in the "arena" concept but a pretty solid one IMO; getting blast to pieces by an overkill is not exaclty going to tech you to PvP, and also PvP is economically inviable for most of the learning curve.
Arena PvP? Really? Did WoW just shut down recently and we got all their players? Not sure how you think your idea will teach players to PvP when it has so little in common with what EVE PvP is like. BTW looking at your signature you do know those percentages for "EVE Residents" are for Characters not Players? So what? There is no way to draw conclussions from that stats aside that, effectively, there are 3 characters in hisec for each one in nullsec. Which begs the question on why nullsec is deemed so important when, spin it as you want, there's always 3 times more chars in hisec than nullsec. Demographics-wise, nullsec is in the losing end of any argument.
So because 0.0 players are - if not forced to have them, they're shall we say heavily disadvantaged if they don't have a couple of hi-sec alts, you conclude from this that 0.0 doesn't need any attention?
Remember when that Dev asked why CCP should "waste time" fixing AFs when nobody flew them? You're literally as bad as he is.
Additionally, if, as is my experience, 0.0 players have at least 1 empire character for every 0.0 "main", then the demographic argument actually loooks pretty bad for hi-sec focused players: they're actually in a numerical minority.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ghazu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.02.05 12:31:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai your arena idea is only acceptable only if the ships used are bought from the market. |
Vasya Kosyakov
Ad Astra Vexillum THE UNTHINKABLES
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Goonswarm Recruitment wrote:Goonswarm Federation, the one true Photobucket alliance hereby declares its support for the VOR. I also hereby declare my intention to make sure everything on Photobucket is VORPORN, (Voice of Reason Party Organizationally Recognized Newbees) Thats why no one should take GSF serius
They should all be shot and removed from the "game", Racist, Bigoted, Eve ***** that they are...... |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
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Posted - 2012.02.05 14:21:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Xorv wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: I already suggested a nifty proposal to get hisec consensual PvP for "sports" so people could learn to PvP in a casual, friendly manner. Was another twist in the "arena" concept but a pretty solid one IMO; getting blast to pieces by an overkill is not exaclty going to tech you to PvP, and also PvP is economically inviable for most of the learning curve.
Arena PvP? Really? Did WoW just shut down recently and we got all their players? Not sure how you think your idea will teach players to PvP when it has so little in common with what EVE PvP is like. BTW looking at your signature you do know those percentages for "EVE Residents" are for Characters not Players? So what? There is no way to draw conclussions from that stats aside that, effectively, there are 3 characters in hisec for each one in nullsec. Which begs the question on why nullsec is deemed so important when, spin it as you want, there's always 3 times more chars in hisec than nullsec. Demographics-wise, nullsec is in the losing end of any argument. So because 0.0 players are - if not forced to have them, they're shall we say heavily disadvantaged if they don't have a couple of hi-sec alts, you conclude from this that 0.0 doesn't need any attention? Remember when that Dev asked why CCP should "waste time" fixing AFs when nobody flew them? You're literally as bad as he is. Additionally, if, as is my experience, 0.0 players have at least 1 empire character for every 0.0 "main", then the demographic argument actually loooks pretty bad for hi-sec focused players: they're actually in a numerical minority.
And in my experience, nullsec is full of AFK cloakers and bots, which means that many nullsec chars are not actual players, whcih means that both them and their "2 alts per player" are still a tiny minority. So you still lose.
Seriously, with 3 chars in hisec for each one in nullsec, how can you dare to claim that hisec is not more important to nullsec? Even with your off-the-hat nonsense about "2 alts per char", then, why would they bother to have hisec alts if they weren't more relevant in hisec than in nullsec? EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
230
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Posted - 2012.02.05 14:27:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai your arena idea is only acceptable only if the ships used are bought from the market.
Of course, who said otherwise? The PvP agents are for grief prevention (Concord spawns, entry fees and rules of engagement), but otherwise still is PvP and each player would determine how much to risk. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Traxev
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
4
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Posted - 2012.02.05 19:26:00 -
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Gizu Ichosira wrote:Traxev wrote: Its time the game was more enjoyable for every gameplay style in nullsec then it is in highsec.
You're not the only one who wants that. I suggest you take your suggestions for gameplay improvements and give them to a potential candidate who can represent your position on the CSM. That is how this works. Traxev wrote: Your post again picks a single point and then does nothing to refute anything in my follow up post or my main post.
It is the most efficient way to conduct forum discussions. You do it too. We have null-sec players attempting to hijack the discussion. This is a good sign. They fear the organized carebears
You had 5 csms to make MEANINGFUL changes to the csm and increase its effectiveness. You barely scratched the surface compared to what csm 6 has done for the game. Why should we allow you the chance to waste a seat? |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
230
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Posted - 2012.02.05 20:20:00 -
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Traxev wrote:Gizu Ichosira wrote:Traxev wrote: Its time the game was more enjoyable for every gameplay style in nullsec then it is in highsec.
You're not the only one who wants that. I suggest you take your suggestions for gameplay improvements and give them to a potential candidate who can represent your position on the CSM. That is how this works. Traxev wrote: Your post again picks a single point and then does nothing to refute anything in my follow up post or my main post.
It is the most efficient way to conduct forum discussions. You do it too. We have null-sec players attempting to hijack the discussion. This is a good sign. They fear the organized carebears You had 5 csms to make MEANINGFUL changes to the csm and increase its effectiveness. You barely scratched the surface compared to what csm 6 has done for the game. Why should we allow you the chance to waste a seat?
There is also a chance that CSM6 worked only because it learned from, and fixed, the mistakes incurred by the previous CSM, independently of their composition. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
874
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Posted - 2012.02.05 20:23:00 -
[235] - Quote
Vasya Kosyakov wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Goonswarm Recruitment wrote:Goonswarm Federation, the one true Photobucket alliance hereby declares its support for the VOR. I also hereby declare my intention to make sure everything on Photobucket is VORPORN, (Voice of Reason Party Organizationally Recognized Newbees) Thats why no one should take GSF serius They should all be shot and removed from the "game", Racist, Bigoted, Eve ***** that they are......
So your answer to a racist, bigoted group infesting the game is to round them all up, shoot them, and remove them from the game. That's not hypocritical at all, not one bit!
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:19:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Vasya Kosyakov wrote:They should all be shot and removed from the "game", Racist, Bigoted, Eve ***** that they are...... So your answer to a racist, bigoted group infesting the game is to round them all up, shoot them, and remove them from the game. That's not hypocritical at all, not one bit! Hahaha, lots of people tried doing that, but it results in explosions and ~gudfites~ so it is sort of rewarding us.
I think after the recent war started, a bunch of vets resubbed because we now have things to fight that aren't POSes.
That said, yeah we woudn't count as an unrepresented mass, we have The Mittani ~<3 |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
142
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:15:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: So because 0.0 players are - if not forced to have them, they're shall we say heavily disadvantaged if they don't have a couple of hi-sec alts, you conclude from this that 0.0 doesn't need any attention?
Remember when that Dev asked why CCP should "waste time" fixing AFs when nobody flew them? You're literally as bad as he is.
Additionally, if, as is my experience, 0.0 players have at least 1 empire character for every 0.0 "main", then the demographic argument actually loooks pretty bad for hi-sec focused players: they're actually in a numerical minority.
No, actually it seems that Null-Sec and High-Sec are about even when it comes to numbers. 20% nullsec, 67% high-Sec. Assumed that every nullsec players has at least one high sec alt, the numbers would change to 40% nullsec and 47% high-sec. Even when adding the lowsec crowd to the nullsec people, we have 48% vs. 47%.
You and many other nullsec players admit that high-sec has an importance to nullsec players because of alts. What do you do with these alts? Carebearing of course to sustain your nullsec characters. So polishing of highsec is as beneficial for you nullsec players as for us high-sec players.
Of course this doesn't mean that nullsec don't needs any attention. I'm well aware that there is much that has to be done out there. But it means that high-sec needs at least as much attention.
No matter how you look at it, there is a big playerbase who likes the low-risk life of high-sec (including any nullsec player who has a high-sec alt) and that player group is as big as the nullsec player group. If CCP destroys the game experience for the high-sec crowd, they will loose about half of their player base in addition to any high-sec alts the nullsec players pay for, because they also wouldn't be practical any more. I'm not sure if EVE or CCP could survive that.
The game has two big and very different player groups and there are "zones" that more or less seperate them. But they still have a good impact on each other. I don't see any problem there, everyone can do what he likes and it is far from unreasonable to ask for some more dev support for PvE and high-sec or (at least) for one or two high-sec representatives in the CSM to bring that to CCPs attention. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:31:00 -
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Arcathra wrote:You and many other nullsec players admit that high-sec has an importance to nullsec players because of alts. What do you do with these alts? Carebearing of course to sustain your nullsec characters. So polishing of highsec is as beneficial for you nullsec players as for us high-sec players. My market alt only spends money, not makes it. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
323
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:48:00 -
[239] - Quote
Arcathra wrote: No, actually it seems that Null-Sec and High-Sec are about even when it comes to numbers. 20% nullsec, 67% high-Sec. Assumed that every nullsec players has at least one high sec alt, the numbers would change to 40% nullsec and 47% high-sec. Even when adding the lowsec crowd to the nullsec people, we have 48% vs. 47%.
You and many other nullsec players admit that high-sec has an importance to nullsec players because of alts. What do you do with these alts? Carebearing of course to sustain your nullsec characters. So polishing of highsec is as beneficial for you nullsec players as for us high-sec players.
These statements are correct right up until we hit your last sentence. Most nullsec players don't want to have (at least) one alt in highsec. They'd rather keep both in null, but are put at an extreme disadvantage when competing against other null players, corps and alliance if they choose to do that.
Due to the built-in limitations of 0.0 sov, non-capital industrial/mining corps are put into obsolescence by a few jump freighters. Because why mine low-ends in 0.0 when you can just import low-end mins from empire. The roids are the same, the hulk is the same, except there are more refineries in highsec, that yield a better refine rate and CONCORD instanukes anyone who breathes at you as a bonus. Why manufacture modules or research anything in nullsec when you can just build or buy everything behind a dec shielded/NPC corp alt with 100% safety, with even your POSs enjoying ridiculous protection? And if you don't do that you can bet your enemies will, and they will beat you thanks to that edge in efficiency. So there's no point in bothering to import PvErs in ones' alliance, and not much point from the bears' perspective either. And that's a loss for both them and the people who want to find targets when they go on roams.
With ever increasing safety and isk fountains into highsec without corresponding risk, more and more once nullsec-only players are using highsec for all their PvE needs, making null an ever more quiet desert beyond the tightly packed fleet roam. I believer very few nullsec players would care if the game was rebalanced to the point where it made sense that they did all their PvE in null, so long as it meant their competition had to as well. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
142
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:02:00 -
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You are right. As far as I can tell (never was in nullsec) that seems to be one of the bigger problems in nullsec. The dependency or perceived dependency of high-sec. I agree with you that there has to be done something about that. No one should be dependent on a part of the game that he don't wants to play. But that also applies to high-sec players. They don't want to be forced into something because it benefits nullsec in some way. Not that surprising that they feel a little bit left out even though they are not that tiny minority that some nullsec people always try to make of them.
The questions are what can be done to make the situation for nullsec better? Maybe some changes have to come to high-sec but this has to be dicussed with the high-sec people. I'm sure there can be found some kind of middle ground both can live with. At the moment it seems that it is perceived by a lot of high-sec players that nullsec players try to force changes to get rid of them and their playing style. Considering that we have as much high-sec players as nullsec players that can't be the way to go, can it?
That is the reason we need one or two good candidates to make that discussions even possible. |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
324
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:45:00 -
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To put it short, I feel that the rewards for living in null for the average player should be increased and the risk of living in highsec should also be increased. The move from highsec to low or null shouldn't be such a steep cliff and the rewards should be more appealing. This could be done largely by CCP actually do what it has been promising to do for the past two years, like complete the "industry" half of the Dominion expansion, and stop ignoring wardec exploits in highsec which have become common practice and actually fix them.
Unlike a lot of people, I don't think highsec players are inherently 'cowardly' or inferior for using tricks like NPC corp alts and dec shields to avoid the risk of unconsensual PVP. Like nullsec players who keep alts in highsec, it's that they are placed at a competitive disadvantage against their peers in the goal of acquiring ISK if they don't wait out wardecs, don't corp/alliance hop, not use NPC corps to evade PvP, station games, etc. All those things that few highsec people I've talked to can say they enjoy, or that's the reason they started playing EVE, but they all do it anyway because who wants to be a loser? EVE is a harsh game that has little mercy for those who fail to adapt.
When POCOs were rebalanced so that there was an advantage to using ones in lowsec, I don't think it made the game worse for PI players. Rather the opposite, it gave those who dared challenges as they engaged in PvP in the goal of reaching a lowsec POCO in their hauler without getting ganked by pirates, all for the goal of making an extra 5-10% profit.
I think a lot of highsec players would be willing to step up and give up some of their PvP-free safeties it meant their competition was forced to as well. I don't think they'll ragequit like a lot of people think, and it's not like adding more risk-free PvE has been a stellar way of retaining EVE subs anyway (Tyrannis, Incursion). |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:47:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: I believer very few nullsec players would care if the game was rebalanced to the point where it made sense that they did all their PvE in null, so long as it meant their competition had to as well. Pretty much, yes. If one's alliance was more/better able to get their slaves mining and producing they would have a definite edge. It would also have the side effect of being able to hear the squeals of pain from highsec.
If Jita was for example, by just some bug or something, turned into say a 0.4sec region for a day or so, I would log into my market alt just to see the amazing local chat. Undock and get twice the killmails!
It's an efficiency thing. We don't mine because it's inefficient, and we produce in high/don't produce because it's inefficient. Highsec is something common to all nullsec groups, whereas null production capabilities are not. |
Gevlin
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
92
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:48:00 -
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Had an opportunity to talk with the mittani, and listen to some of this other Goon comments.
He did mention most of the Sucking chest wounds are fix, leaving development of Low Sec and Null sec at a balance level.
Once the major issues of Faction warfare and null sec are address he would not mind to see WIS.
So the candidate pushing for items out side of of null sec should not be as tough as it would have been if you were apart of CSM 6
the candidate will have to look at ways to play the game differently. From the last minutes it seemed the talk was about how the "Drone" Regions were not operating like the rest of null sec. and needs to be simplified to be the same as the rest of null sec.
But on the other hand no-one wants drone regions because it sucks...
personally out side of the Insta Pop of the Titan capital sized weapons the super cape issue is almost
Captial sized tackler would also be nice as well, to tackle those super caps. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
376
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:53:00 -
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Arcathra wrote:You are right. As far as I can tell (never was in nullsec) that seems to be one of the bigger problems in nullsec. The dependency or perceived dependency of high-sec. I agree with you that there has to be done something about that. No one should be dependent on a part of the game that he don't wants to play. But that also applies to high-sec players. They don't want to be forced into something because it benefits nullsec in some way. Not that surprising that they feel a little bit left out even though they are not that tiny minority that some nullsec people always try to make of them.
The questions are what can be done to make the situation for nullsec better? Maybe some changes have to come to high-sec but this has to be dicussed with the high-sec people. I'm sure there can be found some kind of middle ground both can live with. At the moment it seems that it is perceived by a lot of high-sec players that nullsec players try to force changes to get rid of them and their playing style. Considering that we have as much high-sec players as nullsec players that can't be the way to go, can it?
That is the reason we need one or two good candidates to make that discussions even possible. One of the common misconceptions is high has no representation on this CSM. Thats not really true, because about half the CSM are NOT nullsec candidates... We got 5 on the main CSM, vs 4 who are not part of nullsec alliances. Sadly tho, fixing nullsec has to take priority, given that it is eve's main selling point(even if people end up mining in highsec for years).
Why did you join eve? was it because of the stories you heard, or because someone told you that the farming in highsec was so uber? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
142
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:59:00 -
[245] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:To put it short, I feel that the rewards for living in null for the average player should be increased and the risk of living in highsec should also be increased. The move from highsec to low or null shouldn't be such a steep cliff and the rewards should be more appealing. This could be done largely by CCP actually do what it has been promising to do for the past two years, like complete the "industry" half of the Dominion expansion, and stop ignoring wardec exploits in highsec which have become common practice and actually fix them.
Unlike a lot of people, I don't think highsec players are inherently 'cowardly' or inferior for using tricks like NPC corp alts and dec shields to avoid the risk of unconsensual PVP. Like nullsec players who keep alts in highsec, it's that they are placed at a competitive disadvantage against their peers in the goal of acquiring ISK if they don't wait out wardecs, don't corp/alliance hop, not use NPC corps to evade PvP, station games, etc. All those things that few highsec people I've talked to can say they enjoy, or that's the reason they started playing EVE, but they all do it anyway because who wants to be a loser? EVE is a harsh game that has little mercy for those who fail to adapt.
When POCOs were rebalanced so that there was an advantage to using ones in lowsec, I don't think it made the game worse for PI players. Rather the opposite, it gave those who dared challenges as they engaged in PvP in the goal of reaching a lowsec POCO in their hauler without getting ganked by pirates, all for the goal of making an extra 5-10% profit. I think a lot of highsec players would be willing to step up and give up some of their PvP-free safeties it meant their competition was forced to as well. I don't think they'll ragequit like a lot of people think, and it's not like adding more risk-free PvE has been a stellar way of retaining EVE subs anyway (Tyrannis, Incursion). Sounds very reasonable, thanks for your insight.
I by myself would really like to live in low-sec for example, but I know that I can't sustain my inevitable losses I would have there. So I would have the problem to hop once in a while into high-sec to make some ISK or have an alt there, too. I would also be glad if that limitations wouldn't be there. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
877
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Posted - 2012.02.06 09:29:00 -
[246] - Quote
Arcathra wrote: I by myself would really like to live in low-sec for example, but I know that I can't sustain my inevitable losses I would have there. So I would have the problem to hop once in a while into high-sec to make some ISK or have an alt there, too. I would also be glad if that limitations wouldn't be there.
As a career militia pilot this is something I can't share enough with players - losses in lowsec are not unsustainable by any means, as long as some safety measures are taken.
You can move just about any ship about, with enough planning, scouting, proper fitting, or proper flying technique.
I totally respect those that enjoy low-risk, low-reward activities in high sec, but for those thinking lowsec is some big bad cesspool that will gank you left and right, its only that way if you don't take the time to learn low-sec travel and safety 101.
I don't say this to sound all badass, I'm a pretty mediocre PvP pilot. I'm just saying, from someone who runs a POS in lowsec, mines gas, runs PvE sites, all that kind of stuff, low sec is very survivable. I think most people have a few bad experiences than get turned off to lowsec, instead of simply adapting to a different way of doing work there.
So much talk of risk / reward will be talked about in the coming debates - I think its important to note that the only risk you take in lowsec, is when you choose to ignore basic self-defense and safety. Sometimes I'll leeroy a non-stabbed, non-cloaky Logistics ship out to rendezvous with a fleet. THAT is risky. I'm taking a chance that because the fleet is further away, I don't have scouts and might be tackled along the way.
But mining in lowsec? Ratting in lowsec? Hauling in lowsec? These aren't activities that should really be seen as "high-risk". If I'm doing any of those, its in a ship with a cloak, or a ship that's aligned, and I'm actively using my scanner. If I see danger, I warp. Thats a controlled situation, not risk.
You could even call this carebearing if you want to, since you're actively avoiding PvP. But however you slice it, I want to encourage highsec players seeking greater reward to come out to lowsec and try it out - NOT because we want to gank you, (some do) but because if you're flying properly you can virtually eliminate the risk element and make a lot more money doing the same things you love to do in high sec.
Just ask one of us how to be safe before you do. Leeroy on out, and you WILL be taking the risk! |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
142
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Posted - 2012.02.06 09:48:00 -
[247] - Quote
Yeah, I know that. I've flown through low-sec more than once and also had a POS there for about half a year. It was fun, but very taxing to earn ISK down there. I and my Corp mostly ended up earning ISK with missions in high-sec and doing some exploration sites and wormholes in low-sec just for fun.
I would really like mining and industry in general to become a more profitable activity in low-sec. |
Vasya Kosyakov
Ad Astra Vexillum THE UNTHINKABLES
3
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Posted - 2012.02.06 09:52:00 -
[248] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Vasya Kosyakov wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Goonswarm Recruitment wrote:Goonswarm Federation, the one true Photobucket alliance hereby declares its support for the VOR. I also hereby declare my intention to make sure everything on Photobucket is VORPORN, (Voice of Reason Party Organizationally Recognized Newbees) Thats why no one should take GSF serius They should all be shot and removed from the "game", Racist, Bigoted, Eve ***** that they are...... So your answer to a racist, bigoted group infesting the game is to round them all up, shoot them, and remove them from the game. That's not hypocritical at all, not one bit!
Well now your being flippant.......
This is exactly the action taken by pest controllers when faced with an infestation of disease ridden corpse chewing sacks of pestilence and same methods for the treatment of a plague or virus all be it with the cunning use of drugs...... So to be shot or pumped full of cleansing drugs and generally removed from society.... make a choice....
P.S Defending goons also makes you part of the problem, not the solution......
Surely we can all unite against the goons... :-)
P.P.S - Goons are fun, to look at and hear their opinions about the world (i meant eve, Goons do not educate well about real world things, sends them into a paranoid rage that there may actually be life outside of the basement)
P.P.P.S - Ok I've gone soft, keep the goons, they are ok really, everyone is entitled to their piece of eve, could you just leave some for the rest of us and think before you start talking..... |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
230
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Posted - 2012.02.06 10:42:00 -
[249] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:To put it short, I feel that the rewards for living in null for the average player should be increased and the risk of living in highsec should also be increased. (...9
To put it short, you want to shove nullsec down hiseccer's throats. How original.
I have a better idea. You fix whatever you want to fix in nullsec and LEAVE HISEC ALONE.
YOU LEAVE HISEC ALONE AND FIX NULLSEC ISSUES IN NULLSEC ALONE, GET IT??
It is absolutely ludicrous how hiseccers must fight not just to get more content and gameplay, but to just bloody preserve their gameplay from the interference of nullsec whiners!!
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
80
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Posted - 2012.02.06 11:09:00 -
[250] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:To put it short, I feel that the rewards for living in null for the average player should be increased and the risk of living in highsec should also be increased. (...9 To put it short, you want to shove nullsec down hiseccer's throats. How original. I have a better idea. You fix whatever you want to fix in nullsec and LEAVE HISEC ALONE. YOU LEAVE HISEC ALONE AND FIX NULLSEC ISSUES IN NULLSEC ALONE, GET IT??It is absolutely ludicrous how hiseccers must fight not just to get more content and gameplay, but to just bloody preserve their gameplay from the interference of nullsec whiners!!
All my characters are based in High Sec atm and haven't been in a sov holding corp/alliance in many years and have no intent to join one. I agree with Nicolo's statement you quoted. ..Although I also think Local Intel should go in Null which Nicolo hates
My point Indahmawar is that you and others like you need to get it in your head that you do not represent all High Sec residents.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
230
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Posted - 2012.02.06 11:20:00 -
[251] - Quote
Xorv wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:To put it short, I feel that the rewards for living in null for the average player should be increased and the risk of living in highsec should also be increased. (...9 To put it short, you want to shove nullsec down hiseccer's throats. How original. I have a better idea. You fix whatever you want to fix in nullsec and LEAVE HISEC ALONE. YOU LEAVE HISEC ALONE AND FIX NULLSEC ISSUES IN NULLSEC ALONE, GET IT??It is absolutely ludicrous how hiseccers must fight not just to get more content and gameplay, but to just bloody preserve their gameplay from the interference of nullsec whiners!! All my characters are based in High Sec atm and haven't been in a sov holding corp/alliance in many years and have no intent to join one. I agree with Nicolo's statement you quoted. ..Although I also think Local Intel should go in Null which Nicolo hates My point Indahmawar is that you and others like you need to get it in your head that you do not represent all High Sec residents.
Albeit you are right that i can't speak for all of hisec, you are pretty misguided to share Nicolo's trolling about how fixing someone's gameplay must be done by spoiling soemone else's gameplay. Every hiseccer I encountered but you agrees that hisec must be fixed without harming nullsec, whereas nullsec trolls such as Nicolo are well known for asking that hisec is spoiled in favor of nullsec. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
80
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Posted - 2012.02.06 11:47:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Albeit you are right that i can't speak for all of hisec, you are pretty misguided to share Nicolo's trolling about how fixing someone's gameplay must be done by spoiling soemone else's gameplay. Every hiseccer I encountered but you agrees that hisec must be fixed without harming nullsec, whereas nullsec trolls such as Nicolo are well known for asking that hisec is spoiled in favor of nullsec.
I guess people see what they want to see, but I assure you I am not the only High Sec resident that thinks it should be made much more dangerous. Not only to re-balance risk vs reward between different parts of space, but to improve gameplay in high Sec itself.
High Sec needs attention, but the fixes are to Wardecs, people using NPC corps to avoid risk and consequences, Faction Warfare, and to radially change or abolish the abomination that is High Sec Incursions. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Xorv wrote:standard nullsec troll drivel
2/10 nullsec troll detected, hiding posts. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Seleene wrote:My goal is that CCP continue to finish and iterate on every area that they have neglected over the past NINE YEARS, not just the past 18 months. I hope you'll agree that Incarna is one of the most incomplete features to date, if not THE most incomplete feature to date. I don't fully agree with Fazmarai, but I understand how she feels all to well. When Incarna was cancelled (yes, CQ is not Incarna for me), Crucible left a bitter taste in my mouth that even all the goodness within could not persuade me to get in my pod again. The many little improvements seemed insignificant next to my big disillussion. On the other hand, the presumption that nothing was done for FiS during the development for Incarna is false as wel. Only mentioning the amazing progress during the war on lag (which benifits mostly nullsec and Jita (not that I want to say all improvements during the same period were just for nullsec, just that they did get a piece of the cake)) should prove it to be false.
Sadly the chairman is listening to people who aprove of his social skills (because they have similar social skills?), and many of those call us barbie fetishists. The chairman is ignoring us after failing to understand what we want, not being his constituents, and none of the other CSM members make up for his flaws. Is at least some involvement in the pro-WiS threadnaught to much to ask for? I'm glad CCP finally did what the CSM did not: communicate with us. It's really sad that CCP had to do this directly. This makes it clear that there are at least some flaws in how the CSM is supposed to function: representing ALL players.
Two step wrote:I also missed the part where the CSM banned RP though, so maybe I am just not paying attention today. Maybe this perception has something to do with how the chairman regards roleplayers and how the december minutes do not contain one instance of the word 'roleplay' or any variation thereof.
Two step wrote:The role of the CSM isn't to play Junior Game Designer and come up with some new system for mining. CCP has people to design stuff. If fact, those people are kinda protective of their jobs and really don't appreciate some amateur telling them what to do.
I would expect someone who has been on the CSM before to know all this. Fortunately CCP already has ideas for mining, closely mirroring Issler's view. We just need a CSM to tell them we would like to see them developed. Also, I don't agree that CCP does not appreciate our input. It's not like they have to do everything we suggest. I would expect someone who is part of the CSM to know this. BTW the apparent attitude in posts like yours is really one of the things that bothers me most about the current CSM, mostly the chairman.
Now on to the VoR party. I don't really agree with the name. I probably would vote for something like the 'forgotten party'. The areas in EVE that have been neglected: Roleplay, mining, lo-sec, and bounty hunting just to name some. I am sympathetic to the voice of reason party, but in the end I will not vote for someone because he represents certain areas, but because I agree with him/her about those areas and the game entirely. That might or might not be a candidate for the VoR party or the forgotten party. But most of all I would like to see a CSM that actually represents and communicates with players they don't disagree with, and understands them, so they can actually do what they are supposed to do: represent ALL of us. As long as that happens it doesn't really matter if my candidate gets on the CSM or not, but that is sadly not the case. That is why I would also like to see a different CSM structure, to help prevent certain players/areas from not being represented.
But what would I like to see in a ideal (VoR) candidate? - Understanding roleplay, preferably also tabletop RP experience (character centered WoD players preferred over action centered D&D players), and solid RP experience in EVE. Someone who understands that the "bad guy" RP'ers have been neglected in features such as Incursions and FW, and that altruistic capsuleers (and Roc Wieler for example) will rarely, if ever, buy stuff in the NeX store. - Belief in the vision of building the ultimate sci-fi universe. That includes WiS of course. - Willingness to present the opinions and requests of those you don't agree with to CCP. (a.k.a. representing all players a.k.a. being a CSM member) - Someone with at least some interest in asking CCP to iterate on forgotten/neglected areas. That is all. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
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Posted - 2012.02.06 14:25:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:Seleene wrote:My goal is that CCP continue to finish and iterate on every area that they have neglected over the past NINE YEARS, not just the past 18 months. I hope you'll agree that Incarna is one of the most incomplete features to date, if not THE most incomplete feature to date. I don't fully agree with Fazmarai, but I understand how she feels all to well. When Incarna was cancelled (yes, CQ is not Incarna for me), Crucible left a bitter taste in my mouth that even all the goodness within could not persuade me to get in my pod again. The many little improvements seemed insignificant next to my big disillussion. On the other hand, the presumption that nothing was done for FiS during the development for Incarna is false as wel. Only mentioning the amazing progress during the war on lag (which benifits mostly nullsec and Jita (not that I want to say all improvements during the same period were just for nullsec, just that they did get a piece of the cake)) should prove it to be false. Sadly the chairman is listening to people who aprove of his social skills (because they have similar social skills?), and many of those call us barbie fetishists. The chairman is ignoring us after failing to understand what we want, not being his constituents, and none of the other CSM members make up for his flaws. Is at least some involvement in the pro-WiS threadnaught to much to ask for? I'm glad CCP finally did what the CSM did not: communicate with us. It's really sad that CCP had to do this directly. This makes it clear that there are at least some flaws in how the CSM is supposed to function: representing ALL players.
That's the funniest part, CSM6 has called bullshit on themselves by ignoring the threadnaught on WiS. With that and the inherent diifculty to have a candidate elected without a power bloc behind it, I am not really confident that we can succeed to make ourselves heard through the CSM. So maybe the next logical step would be talking to CCP themselves. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:15:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:To put it short, I feel that the rewards for living in null for the average player should be increased and the risk of living in highsec should also be increased. (...9 To put it short, you want to shove nullsec down hiseccer's throats. How original. So in your mind, 'risk' and 'PvP' is synonymous with nullsec? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:57:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: That's the funniest part, CSM6 has called bullshit on themselves by ignoring the threadnaught on WiS. With that and the inherent diifculty to have a candidate elected without a power bloc behind it, I am not really confident that we can succeed to make ourselves heard through the CSM. So maybe the next logical step would be talking to CCP themselves.
the same five idiots posting the same posts over and over again isn't a threadnaught
i do enjoy you're using the word threadnaught in a goonies :argh: thread |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Traxev wrote:You should go play farmville. While I am all for free and open discussion on the forums, I think we need to draw the line at obvious hate-speech like this. CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism! CSM 6 Activities Summary | My CSM blog |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:So in your mind, 'risk' and 'PvP' is synonymous with nullsec? GIven there's wardec campers in Jita looking for easy kills, I'd say 'risk' and 'PvP' are located conveniently in Jita.
My market alt probably can't undock without being podded instantly, for example.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
640
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:27:00 -
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Over the weekend I spent some time thinking about how to best succeed at getting some of our candidates elected.
I came up with some ideas and I want to bounce them off folks following this thread. By the way thanks for making this the most active Jita part thread at the moment! Keep this up and we will wins some seats in CSM 7.
1. Is the Voice of Reason party the right name? Something as simple as having the right name can make a huge difference. So thoughts on what name resonates the most.
2. There have been some great folks that came forward so far with ideas but have decided to not run because of the time commitment. For that reason I am going to create a party advisory council. These would be folks that would take on a role throughout the CSM 7 as their time permits with specific game area focus and assist the elected candidates refine their focus. So thoughts? Anyone interested in a "cabinert" role?
3. We need to narrow our focus. Here are some potential areas. So I think mining is definite the top ranked issue and I know there are others. Feedback?
a. mining
b. high missions
c. casual play
d. NPC corps
e. ambulation
f. alternatives to Technetium
g. RP
h. exploration.
Once I settle the issue of the party name I'll get a domain and a website with blogs and a forum for the party.
So let me know what you all think about these ideas. Let's see if we can get the areas of primary focus down to the top few and then develop a great plan to get support and win some seats in CSM 7!
Also still hoping for a few more candidates to join the effort and now looking for avisory board members!
Issler |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
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Posted - 2012.02.06 21:11:00 -
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Houm... still thinking about a name, but meanwhile...
We can split the focus points into two cathegories:
- Things that could be acomplished as "fixes" (change/add mechanics)
mining, exploration, more / better missions...
- Things that should be created from scratch
WiS content, casual gameplay, endgame content for hisec...
In a way, there are so many hisec issues that need attention that they can't be forwarded to CCP all in a row; nullsec CSM will be pushing two or three issues as most, and thus spreading hisec's efforts in many areas could be self defeating. Also, whatever candidate was elected, should look forward to cooperate with nullsec CSM, else would be regarded as obstructionist which would be harmful for hisec interests.
The point is telling CCP that hisec also wants their attention, and then go and push a couple of issues. The more handy are, likely, mining and WiS. Mining because CSM is already willing to think of it, so a hisec candidate should protect hisec interest (not nerfing ores nor ice in hisec nor WH, FAI), assist the CSM in pushing CCP to defeat bots, et cetera; and WiS because arguably it's absolute bullshit to have the avatar technology and let it rot in a prison cell for a year or two or how long takes team avatar to grow to a usable size and get the necessary workforce. In the meanwhile, the NEx could use some attention, be filled with the already developed content and get a price cut... then add limited multiplayer ability to CQ (invite buddies), add some simple animations (emotes) and let players determine how to use that. Or, even in a smaller scale, just enable to switch clothes w/o redoing the portrait. Throw us a bone.
Also, from a moral standpoint would be interesting to ask what the hell did they planned to do with the CQ provided they are developing WiS gameplay now, rather than before launching Incarna... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Issler Dainze wrote: So let me know what you all think about these ideas. Let's see if we can get the areas of primary focus down to the top few and then develop a great plan to get support and win some seats in CSM 7! Issler
a. mining Move to other parts of space, why would there be mining in highly industrialized parts of space, surely most of it would have been mined long ago, so leave just enough for newbies to try out. More Gravimetric sites in the other areas of space, makes miners a little less vulnerable when they have to be scanned down.
b. high missions All High payout missions should be tied to Faction War type mechanics, where players compete over lucrative PvE payouts. High Sec space invaded by Incursions should drop security levels to that of Low Sec or Null for the duration of the Incursion, this will make it not only more interesting and make more sense, but also open up more opportunities for RP with players able to side with the Sansha.
c. casual play Empire Space, both High and Low, should be governed by NPC Faction politics (As opposed to Null which is purely Player politics) This makes for a less demanding and easier navigated environment for Casual players without infringing on the spirit of what EVE is about.
d. NPC corps See Malcanis' High Sec Manifesto.
e. ambulation Not a High Sec issue.
f. alternatives to Technetium Should stay in Null, it's one of the reasons for controlling space out there. That said the ability to Raid and pillage some of that resource in Null without capturing moons would be good, but it's not a High Sec issue.
g. RP Make standings to NPCs matter, Make Faction War an integrated aspect of all activities in Empire Space. Allow players to side with the Sansha in Incursions. Basically make all player actions towards NPCs have lasting meaningful consequences both positive and negative.
h. exploration. Like mining this is something that shouldn't really be in High Sec. If you want to improve exploration as a profession it should be expanded upon in Wormhole space |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
640
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Posted - 2012.02.06 23:10:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: So let me know what you all think about these ideas. Let's see if we can get the areas of primary focus down to the top few and then develop a great plan to get support and win some seats in CSM 7! Issler
a. mining Move to other parts of space, why would there be mining in highly industrialized parts of space, surely most of it would have been mined long ago, so leave just enough for newbies to try out. More Gravimetric sites in the other areas of space, makes miners a little less vulnerable when they have to be scanned down. b. high missions All High payout missions should be tied to Faction War type mechanics, where players compete over lucrative PvE payouts. High Sec space invaded by Incursions should drop security levels to that of Low Sec or Null for the duration of the Incursion, this will make it not only more interesting and make more sense, but also open up more opportunities for RP with players able to side with the Sansha. c. casual play Empire Space, both High and Low, should be governed by NPC Faction politics (As opposed to Null which is purely Player politics) This makes for a less demanding and easier navigated environment for Casual players without infringing on the spirit of what EVE is about. d. NPC corps See Malcanis' High Sec Manifesto. e. ambulation Not a High Sec issue. f. alternatives to Technetium Should stay in Null, it's one of the reasons for controlling space out there. That said the ability to Raid and pillage some of that resource in Null without capturing moons would be good, but it's not a High Sec issue. g. RP Make standings to NPCs matter, Make Faction War an integrated aspect of all activities in Empire Space. Allow players to side with the Sansha in Incursions. Basically make all player actions towards NPCs have lasting meaningful consequences both positive and negative. h. exploration. Like mining this is something that shouldn't really be in High Sec. If you want to improve exploration as a profession it should be expanded upon in Wormhole space
a. I think there would still be mining in areas under concord control. Concord would have an itnerest to keep the peace where valuable resources are found.
b. I'd say low sec should be where high pay out shoulld be as well. I thought about running with a low sec focus as it is one area in Eve needing a lot of luvin'. But for now I'm leaving it for later in terms of my focus with the CSM.
c. Basically Agree.
d. Ambulation seems to be an issue of more interest to the player base I seek to represent so I am definitely leaving it on the table.
f. No, it is a issue for manufactures. I'm not saying remove it from the moons but finally provide an alternative reaction to make it like all the other high ends.
g. Worth exploring in greater detail for sure.
h. I disagree, I think it could be evolved to be another new set of PvE experiences.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
640
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Posted - 2012.02.06 23:12:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Houm... still thinking about a name, but meanwhile... We can split the focus points into two cathegories: - Things that could be acomplished as "fixes" (change/add mechanics) mining, exploration, more / better missions... - Things that should be created from scratch WiS content, casual gameplay, endgame content for hisec... In a way, there are so many hisec issues that need attention that they can't be forwarded to CCP all in a row; nullsec CSM will be pushing two or three issues as most, and thus spreading hisec's efforts in many areas could be self defeating. Also, whatever candidate was elected, should look forward to cooperate with nullsec CSM, else would be regarded as obstructionist which would be harmful for hisec interests. The point is telling CCP that hisec also wants their attention, and then go and push a couple of issues. The more handy are, likely, mining and WiS. Mining because CSM is already willing to think of it, so a hisec candidate should protect hisec interest (not nerfing ores nor ice in hisec nor WH, FAI), assist the CSM in pushing CCP to defeat bots, et cetera; and WiS because arguably it's absolute bullshit to have the avatar technology and let it rot in a prison cell for a year or two or how long takes team avatar to grow to a usable size and get the necessary workforce. In the meanwhile, the NEx could use some attention, be filled with the already developed content and get a price cut... then add limited multiplayer ability to CQ (invite buddies), add some simple animations (emotes) and let players determine how to use that. Or, even in a smaller scale, just enable to switch clothes w/o redoing the portrait. Throw us a bone. Also, from a moral standpoint would be interesting to ask what the hell did they planned to do with the CQ provided they are developing WiS gameplay now, rather than before launching Incarna...
Key to success of whoever we get elected is their ability to work with the rest of the CSM. I will be important to cooperate. The point of my effort is balancing CCP's focus and not domination of a single player viewpoint.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
640
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Posted - 2012.02.06 23:26:00 -
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Gizu Ichosira wrote:Issler ,
My small group of friends (real friends, not alts) gathers a few times a week to assist the Empire factions in dealing with the ever-present NPC threat. I have also tried mining, trading, manufacturing and research in both high-security and low-security space, however I find these to be less fun and less profitable than running NPC missions with friends. Although I have no interest in harrassing other Capsuleers for 'lulz' or 'tears', I do appreciate the element of risk and excitement introduced by the sociopathic sadists who enjoy inflicting grief upon others.
Empire space needs better representation on the CSM. I agree that miners need new content, and I am impressed with your resiliance against trolling. Your candidate will have our support.
I would also like to suggest some changes to improve gameplay in Empire space:
-Non-mutual war declarations should not be valid in high-security systems. As it is today, Capsuleers in corporations that become the target of a war declaration have no choice but to leave their corp or remain docked indefinitely.
-Members of NPC corporations should be automatically involved in faction warfare, but only in low-security systems. This 'lite' FW will improve RP and encourage new Capsuleers to form fleets to enter low-sec space for PvP. If they wish to fly in low-sec without this added risk, they can join or create a player corp.
-Add the ability to 'undo' a gate jump if the other side of a gate is hostile and the Capsuleer does not wish to engage the campers. A 30 minute cool-down timer before the ability can be used again would prevent mis-use. Campers can still perform a strategic role by denying entry to a system, or attempt to catch the ships that ignore the danger and continue into the system.
-Stealing from a can or a wreck should evoke a global aggression timer. This would not incur the wrath of CONCORD - they have better things to do - however it would allow other players to punish the thief. CONCORD's current policy allows suicide gankers use 'alts' to collect loot from their victim's wreck with no risk. This change would also allow combat ships to protect miners from can-flippers.
-Add a way for Capsuleers to warn their Corporation or Alliance members when they suspect that a neutral ship is an 'alt' belonging to an enemy. They could be marked as "Suspected hostile alt" or "Suspected alt for Capsuleer [name]" on a shared persistant list. I assume some groups are already doing this out-of-game. It would be nice to see it included as a tool we can all use.
-Remove the ability to advertise contracts in local chat. That is not the purpose of local chat. If people want to buy your deadspace afterburner they will search for it in the existing contract search interface.
1. Wardec mechanisms need a revamp to be sure. Right now there are so many hoops little corps go through to deal with the mayhem they can create (corp jumping, temp to NPC corps....). One thing I've always felt is there should be some sort of declared "you win its over, now leave us alone" condition or in other words some stated goal that brings a war to an end. Before I get spammed by everyone that claims I am trying to propose some solution to the wardec in highsec issue, I'm not. I support looking at it in great detail and seeing if we can improve it because folks on both sides aren't satisfied with it as is.
2. I liike the idea. I would love to hear what other folks think. I've maintained for a long time what I'd like to see happen in low sec is a mechanism evolve where player organization can essentially become the local law enforcement agencies and that idea seems like a step in that direction.
3. I want to see gate guns return to what they were originally intended to be. Righ now they only thing they actually do is accidently get a noob ganked. Low sec pirates can permacamp the gate guns and that was never their intention. What I have suggested is that the forces at the gate gradually escalate so that permanent low sec gate camps become a thing of the past. Another great topic for some deep conversations about ways to improve this aspect of Eve.
4. The can/wreck idea definitely is something could support.
5. We are constantly updating individual standings to deal with hostile neutrals.
6. I agree with unspamming the local chat! Spam is meant to be fried and eaten in a sandwich, not to make my local chat channel blink non-stop with contract nonsense.
Sorry I hadn't gotten back to you sooner! Thanks for your post!
Issler |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
143
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Posted - 2012.02.07 07:24:00 -
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Here are my general ideas about the main topics:
a. Mining Needs a big overhaul I think. Maybe moving away from the belt mining to gravimetric, exploration and comet mining. Nearly all belts should be scanned down, miners should need to move around more and low-sec needs considerable better mining sites than high-sec, especially in the "higher" low-sec (0.4 to 0.3). This may also help with bots, because those mining sites could be mined dry fast and a miner would have to scan new sites constantly. Some of those mining sites might contain combat NPC or even in some rare cases other mining related rewards. This maybe would also need a rework of the mining barges or a new class of mining vessels ("mining explorers").
b. High-Sec Missions Not only High-Sec Missions have to be reworked, Low-Sec (and Null-Sec) missions, too. Missions should be much more like Sleepers oder Incursion-Sansha. Make them like this: up until level 3 they are for solo pilotes. The new level 3 missions have a payout of about half the ISK of the current level 4 and should be about as hard (or harder). Level 4 missions would be made for small gangs of 3 to 5 pilots. Those missions may have the need for support ships (logistics, command ships, interceptors) and are harder than level 3 missions and can't be soloed. New Level 5 missions should be catered to fleets of 10 pilots and above. Also include elements in the missions that encourage pilots to fit their ships more like PvP ships, e.g. having to use a warp scrambler in some missions etc. The possibility of target changing NPCs and the PvP ready mission runner ships should have a much better chance against gankers.
c. Casual Don't know if we really need more casual activities. I think there are more than enough. I'm personaly more for small group content to give small corporations of family and friends more to do and give them some ways to learn how to play as a (small) fleet together.
d. NPC Corps No real ideas, think there are already a lot of good ideas around to solve the problem with NPC corps and wardeccs. Don't let people avoid wardeccs through silly game mechanics, but use a system where the decced corps has also some saying about when the wardecc ends and what the conditions might be.
e. Ambulation I think we have a big thread about that plus some additional threads in the Features & Ideas forum. But the main point should be to try to deliver meaningful gameplay alongside of ambulation and set a focus on social gameplay.
f. Alternatives to Technetium Don't know if that is really a high-sec issue. Think we should let this issue be handled by the nullsec representatives, they know much more about that. After all, highsec should stay dependent of nullsec (and the other way around). We shouldn't cut all ties were possible, we still play a one shard game and it should stay that way.
g. RP Can't think of much that could help here other than more live events and more empire politics and of course ambulation related things.
h. Exploration Make exploration more meaningful and interesting in high-sec and low-sec. Connect it directly with mining. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
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Posted - 2012.02.07 08:20:00 -
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Arcathra wrote:(...) b. High-Sec Missions Not only High-Sec Missions have to be reworked, Low-Sec (and Null-Sec) missions, too. Missions should be much more like Sleepers oder Incursion-Sansha. Make them like this: up until level 3 they are for solo pilotes. The new level 3 missions have a payout of about half the ISK of the current level 4 and should be about as hard (or harder). Level 4 missions would be made for small gangs of 3 to 5 pilots. Those missions may have the need for support ships (logistics, command ships, interceptors) and are harder than level 3 missions and can't be soloed. New Level 5 missions should be catered to fleets of 10 pilots and above. Also include elements in the missions that encourage pilots to fit their ships more like PvP ships, e.g. having to use a warp scrambler in some missions etc. The possibility of target changing NPCs and the PvP ready mission runner ships should have a much better chance against gankers.
Houm... that would break the escalation of difficulty. Lvl 5 already were supposed to be "small gang PvE" and they failed because, a, they could be soloed, b, if shared they paid back a lot less than soloing Lvl4s, and c, they were removed from hisec, and no sensible mission runner is going to jeopardize a fitting worth several weeks of gameplay for the ludicrously low reward provided by Lvl5.
Actually, Incusions were meant to "fix" the small gang PvE, but CCP in its infinite wisdom broke them by implementing the silly "winner takes all" policy; join a fleet, lose your ship and lose any reward because your fleet did 50 DP less than the next one, and that's all you need to send incursions to hell, thus breeding professional incursion grinders by "natural selection".
The point with mission running is that if you want people to do anything more difficult than grind Lvl4, it must be better paid and thus it will become a larger ISK faucet. That's economy 101, if running small gang PvE pays better, that's what you gonna do. If don't, you won't do it. Which is exactly what happened with incursions. Of course, now nullsec and lowsec are envious of how good income incursions provide and ask incursion runner's gameplay to be fukked in favor of themselves, very EVE style.
BTW, Incursions ISK faucet, as opposed to missions, can be easily tuned by CCP by changing the spawn rate and preventing abuse of the spawned ones. There is no REAL economical reason to nerf incursion mechanics or add more gankability to them. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
64
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Posted - 2012.02.07 13:00:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:1. Is the Voice of Reason party the right name? Something as simple as having the right name can make a huge difference. So thoughts on what name resonates the most.
2. There have been some great folks that came forward so far with ideas but have decided to not run because of the time commitment. For that reason I am going to create a party advisory council. These would be folks that would take on a role throughout the CSM 7 as their time permits with specific game area focus and assist the elected candidates refine their focus. So thoughts? Anyone interested in a "cabinert" role? Hmm, it's beginning to sound a lot like how the TAKE CARE party around CSM used to be and work. Perhaps there are some remnants this VoR can cooperate with/merge with/learn from?
The reason I don't like the name is that it sounds too cocky. When the purpose/focus of the party is figured out, it will be easier to pick a better name.
A coucil is almost mandatory for a party. Not only does this make it possible to have a single candidate in the election, if so desired. The canditate(s) can draw upon more expertise. I am willing to look at topics (from an RP perspective if applicable), but considering I have not actually played the game since early november, and don't have a lot of experience apart from racing, mining, PI, exploration and other in-space prospecting, I may not be the best person. I may also find that I don't have enough time, so I would prefer to provide feedback if I feel inclined to do so, as opposed to "on demand". |
knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
28
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:54:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
So you're taking the shot gun method...the project management failures of all the previous CSM's (apart from 6) and asking people to vote for you based on this?!
What exactly do you aim to change? What is your priority list? You speak like 0.0 residents get everything there own way, which is completely false. |
Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
74
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:43:00 -
[270] - Quote
Some of most of this cannot be changed. Vote for Skippermonkey for a more realistic presence on the council.. Would you like a kitten? |
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Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.02.07 16:11:00 -
[271] - Quote
Ghazu wrote:lol why is wis on the bottom of the list
Because "W"?
List should have been straight alphabetical sequence to avoid the appearance of one plank being more important than another. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
641
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Posted - 2012.02.07 19:59:00 -
[272] - Quote
So an update on the plans.
We will be renaming the party.
We will focus on a single candidate with a council to support who we get elected.
We will focus on the follow in this order
Mining Missions Keeping CCP's feet to the fire for ambulation
and secondarily
Can flipping/wreck stealing/agression/low sec gate mechanics NPC corp mechanics
Looking for volunteers for the council!
And suggestions for a party name!
Still time for someone else to come forward to be the candidate for this party if there is someone with more "eve celebity" than me to improve our chances of gettting CSM 7 representation!
Issler
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Temmu Guerra
Sickle Moon Intrepid Crossing
24
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Posted - 2012.02.07 20:43:00 -
[273] - Quote
How many times am I going to see someone ask for CCP to take a look at the can flipping / Ninja Salvaging mechanics. They have said multiple times it is working as intended and there will be no change.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
641
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Posted - 2012.02.07 20:48:00 -
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Temmu Guerra wrote:How many times am I going to see someone ask for CCP to take a look at the can flipping / Ninja Salvaging mechanics. They have said multiple times it is working as intended and there will be no change.
I think this idea deserves some support.
From Gizu
-Stealing from a can or a wreck should evoke a global aggression timer. This would not incur the wrath of CONCORD - they have better things to do - however it would allow other players to punish the thief. CONCORD's current policy allows suicide gankers use 'alts' to collect loot from their victim's wreck with no risk. This change would also allow combat ships to protect miners from can-flippers.
So I guess your answer is at least one more time.
Issler |
Skex Relbore
The Dominion of Light BLACK-MARK
67
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Posted - 2012.02.08 02:06:00 -
[275] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I already suggested a nifty proposal to get hisec consensual PvP for "sports" so people could learn to PvP in a casual, friendly manner. Was another twist in the "arena" concept but a pretty solid one IMO; getting blast to pieces by an overkill is not exaclty going to tech you to PvP, and also PvP is economically inviable for most of the learning curve. Here's the thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=297847#post297847
What you are asking for already exists.
R-V-B
It's amazing how people so ignorant of what exists in this game think they know how to fix it. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
664
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Posted - 2012.02.08 23:34:00 -
[276] - Quote
Please feel free to continue this discussion in the updated Rational Party Thread.
Issler |
Ellan Thrace
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:02:00 -
[277] - Quote
New player that wants mining to better!
You have my vote Issler!
ET |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:14:00 -
[278] - Quote
i will be filing a protest with ccp to have the likes for this thread invalidated on the grounds that editing the thread and thread title long after it was posted to obtain likes is a violation of the system |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
736
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:18:00 -
[279] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:i will be filing a protest with ccp to have the likes for this thread invalidated on the grounds that editing the thread and thread title long after it was posted to obtain likes is a violation of the system
Since this was my first thread and CCP never really told us specifically how to do this, good luck with that!
Its more likely to get the likes from the second thread added to this one!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
755
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:38:00 -
[280] - Quote
And to folks that may have "liked" posts in the the thread that also support the idea of me in the CSM 7, be sure to like the initial post of this thread to get me over the magic "100". It isn't clear what CCP intended to be the number to used to make that bar, but just in case.
Thanks for your support!
Issler |
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
267
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Posted - 2012.02.10 00:50:00 -
[281] - Quote
Yeah there was never an official date maybe for the threads created on jita. But there could be. They said the 8th is the start of it, but not sure if that is just when the background check app was started or if it applied to jita threads as well.
Even though your thoughts towards this show reason CCP can still trump it, we shall see what they choose. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
93
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Posted - 2012.02.10 01:13:00 -
[282] - Quote
You have my like space bear! |
Eliza Diane
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 01:30:00 -
[283] - Quote
I'm your 100th like. Congratulations! |
None ofthe Above
26
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Posted - 2012.02.10 06:02:00 -
[284] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:And to folks that may have "liked" posts in the the thread that also support the idea of me in the CSM 7, be sure to like the initial post of this thread to get me over the magic "100". It isn't clear what CCP intended to be the number to used to make that bar, but just in case.
Thanks for your support!
Issler
Pretty sure you should be making a new thread to qualify for CSM.
Editing the title of an old thread into your CSM candidacy is pretty dicey, you wouldn't want to be accused of cheating now would you?
Tired of the current CSM? Vote for me, I am None ofthe Above!
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Ghazu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.02.10 06:49:00 -
[285] - Quote
so just issler now? pfft, and LOL editing the title of thread |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
780
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Posted - 2012.02.10 07:13:00 -
[286] - Quote
Ghazu wrote:so just issler now? pfft, and LOL editing the title of thread
Based on the candidates already in and the likely amount of support, we need to get someone to support this segment of Eve elected.
However, I believe so far I am the only one creating a player council and saying I will represent the folks that elected me and present their ideas to CCP compared to others with their own agendas and game design plans.
Had to edit the title because CCP gave us no guidance as to how we were supposed to get our "likes". I expected CCP was going to set something up themselves once they had applications. I had no idea it was going to be based on a simple "set up an official candidate thread and get "likes" thing.
Sorry for the confusion,
Issler
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Ghazu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.02.10 08:10:00 -
[287] - Quote
you are suffering from illusions of grandeur and lack of confidence at the same time.
make another thread, when you have some actual "sub-bullet points" to put under the various topics of your platform.
you should have no trouble getting 100 likes there as the leading hisec rigths activist and the illustrious creator of the first threadnought of this hallowed forum, if your platform is sound. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
782
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Posted - 2012.02.10 09:50:00 -
[288] - Quote
Ghazu wrote:you are suffering from illusions of grandeur and lack of confidence at the same time.
make another thread, when you have some actual "sub-bullet points" to put under the various topics of your platform.
you should have no trouble getting 100 likes there as the leading hisec rigths activist and the illustrious creator of the first threadnought of this hallowed forum, if your platform is sound.
Well thanks for some free space doctoring about my noggin.
As to new thread, if CCP says I need to do something different I'm happy to oblige.
For now, looks as though I have the hundred any way you measure it.
As to the bullet points, what part of I am not a wanna be game designer and I seek to represent the miners of Eve and my plan is to drive what they want into CCP's plans.
Since that concept of a CSM member actually representing the players that elected them alludes you... here.
-Represent the miners of Eve and work on getting CCP to create a better mining experience based on what the miners themselves ask me to suggest.
-Represent folks in Eve that want missions to be a better experience and forward the suggestions that those players provide to CCP and make it clear to them that this is a segment of Eve that deserves attention.
-Make sure CCP keeps ambulation in their plans going forward based on my threadnaugh in the forums that proved there is player support for the feature.
There you go, an answer with bullets and everything..
Thanks for a reason to bump my thread!
Issler |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
567
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Posted - 2012.02.10 10:11:00 -
[289] - Quote
GFS "pupet" candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
782
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Posted - 2012.02.10 10:14:00 -
[290] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:GFS "pupet" candidate
I expect you meant puppet. And GFS is Goon Fleet Something or other?
Who were you referring to?
Issler
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:37:00 -
[291] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: -Make sure CCP keeps ambulation in their plans going forward based on my threadnaugh in the forums that proved there is player support for the feature. r
Congrats! You're actually a less desirable candidate than the aspie AND the objectivist! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
823
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:42:00 -
[292] - Quote
So I'll be challenging the other candidates to explain what their position in the state of mining is and what priority they would give mining over the term of the CSM 7.
Let see who really is the miners friend!
Issler |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1530
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Posted - 2012.02.10 23:40:00 -
[293] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:So I'll be challenging the other candidates to explain what their position in the state of mining is and what priority they would give mining over the term of the CSM 7.
Let see who really is the miners friend!
Issler
Certainly not you since you're only pretending to care about mining in a cheap ploy to garner votes. Everybody knows that the only thing you care about is getting more space pants for your toonies.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Rayke Galastacia
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1
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Posted - 2012.02.11 00:17:00 -
[294] - Quote
I'm new to this posting junk. Is there any way to filter out the goonies? Every time I see a post from them all I hear is 'truffle shuffle'.
And Issler, this carebear believes in you. |
Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.02.11 00:18:00 -
[295] - Quote
Xorv wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:To put it short, I feel that the rewards for living in null for the average player should be increased and the risk of living in highsec should also be increased. (...9 To put it short, you want to shove nullsec down hiseccer's throats. How original. I have a better idea. You fix whatever you want to fix in nullsec and LEAVE HISEC ALONE. YOU LEAVE HISEC ALONE AND FIX NULLSEC ISSUES IN NULLSEC ALONE, GET IT??It is absolutely ludicrous how hiseccers must fight not just to get more content and gameplay, but to just bloody preserve their gameplay from the interference of nullsec whiners!! All my characters are based in High Sec atm and haven't been in a sov holding corp/alliance in many years and have no intent to join one. I agree with Nicolo's statement you quoted. ..Although I also think Local Intel should go in Null which Nicolo hates My point Indahmawar is that you and others like you need to get it in your head that you do not represent all High Sec residents.
And neither does Nicolo. Or you, for that matter. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
825
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Posted - 2012.02.11 00:29:00 -
[296] - Quote
Rayke Galastacia wrote:I'm new to this posting junk. Is there any way to filter out the goonies? Every time I see a post from them all I hear is 'truffle shuffle'.
And Issler, this carebear believes in you.
Thanks!
There is supposed to be some way to make specific posters not appear. I don't know how to do it so I've just trained myself to skip past the idiots!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
825
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Posted - 2012.02.11 00:31:00 -
[297] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So I'll be challenging the other candidates to explain what their position in the state of mining is and what priority they would give mining over the term of the CSM 7.
Let see who really is the miners friend!
Issler Certainly not you since you're only pretending to care about mining in a cheap ploy to garner votes. Everybody knows that the only thing you care about is getting more space pants for your toonies.
Yes, you have found me out, I have been running a mining corp for almost 6 years because of a dislike of mining.
Issler |
Hippolyte Pixii
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 03:13:00 -
[298] - Quote
Issler has my vote.
Eve is touted as being a sandbox game.
Issler is the one that understands this best. She's quite childish. |
Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation
4
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Posted - 2012.02.11 03:53:00 -
[299] - Quote
I'd pull the Mintrolio lever before yours. Christ on a crutch get some balls. You look like you'd have some. You add platform ideas as people suggest them. You wait for CCP to tell you things. You're supposed to represent the players not look to CCP for direction. You are supposedly "THE" direction. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1541
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Posted - 2012.02.11 04:09:00 -
[300] - Quote
Hippolyte Pixii wrote:Issler has my vote.
Eve is touted as being a sandbox game.
Issler is the one that understands this best. She's quite childish.
It's nice to see that Issler's alts are going to vote for her. It would be pretty sad if they voted for somebody else.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Fizzgig Amatin
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 18:45:00 -
[301] - Quote
I'm voting for Issler.
She's the best! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1120
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Posted - 2012.02.11 23:25:00 -
[302] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So I'll be challenging the other candidates to explain what their position in the state of mining is and what priority they would give mining over the term of the CSM 7.
Let see who really is the miners friend!
Issler Certainly not you since you're only pretending to care about mining in a cheap ploy to garner votes. Everybody knows that the only thing you care about is getting more space pants for your toonies.
lol, you no longer troll the WiS thread due to Team Avatar posting so now you wanna troll here. Gawd just how fail can you get?
I also place my vote for Issler. |
Jon Lucien
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 00:56:00 -
[303] - Quote
I am the proud owner of hundreds of civilian mining lasers, therefore Issler is truly my representative and will have the votes of all 14 of my mining alts. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
847
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Posted - 2012.02.12 02:19:00 -
[304] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Hippolyte Pixii wrote:Issler has my vote.
Eve is touted as being a sandbox game.
Issler is the one that understands this best. She's quite childish. It's nice to see that Issler's alts are going to vote for her. It would be pretty sad if they voted for somebody else.
I never post with an alt, as I've told you repeatedly.
But keep thinking that.
Issler |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1557
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Posted - 2012.02.12 05:35:00 -
[305] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: It's nice to see that Issler's alts are going to vote for her. It would be pretty sad if they voted for somebody else.
I never post with an alt, as I've told you repeatedly. But keep thinking that. Issler Don't be ashamed of it. When you hold unpopular stances like 'more space pants; less spaceships' it's the only way to keep from looking like a loon. Sock puppetry has a long and storied tradition on the internet. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
368
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Posted - 2012.02.12 05:40:00 -
[306] - Quote
i like the way snrub thinks |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2012.02.12 11:36:00 -
[307] - Quote
explain why your character has squinty slit eyes while using Japanese names for your corp and alliance. so you are listening to the miners and the wis lovers what are their concerns and what do they want respectively? let me guess wis lovers: social gameplay trumped up to be "immersion", and more pants miners: whining about ganking,
wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1560
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Posted - 2012.02.12 15:52:00 -
[308] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So I'll be challenging the other candidates to explain what their position in the state of mining is and what priority they would give mining over the term of the CSM 7.
Let see who really is the miners friend!
Issler Certainly not you since you're only pretending to care about mining in a cheap ploy to garner votes. Everybody knows that the only thing you care about is getting more space pants for your toonies. lol, you no longer troll the WiS thread due to Team Avatar posting so now you wanna troll here. Gawd just how fail can you get? I also place my vote for Issler. I don't post in that thread because I got tired of talking to all of Issler's alts instead of real people who think the game needs more space pants.. Also, I'm no longer too worried about CCP wasting any more time on Incarna based on what I heard from the last CSM summit...it sounds like people who still have their jobs at CCP treat Incarna and the NEX store as a joke and don't want anything to do with either of them.
Now I'm just here watching Issler jump on any platform she sees people talking about in a cynical attempt to get on the CSM. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
testobjekt
Creative Accounting Institute
43
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Posted - 2012.02.12 16:28:00 -
[309] - Quote
would you support spending CCP budget on real word desingers to make eve more of a fashion icon game? |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
852
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Posted - 2012.02.12 21:42:00 -
[310] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:explain why your character has squinty slit eyes while using Japanese names for your corp and alliance. so you are listening to the miners and the wis lovers what are their concerns and what do they want respectively? let me guess wis lovers: social gameplay trumped up to be "immersion", and more pants miners: whining about ganking,
Corp name is a reference to elements of an earlier space game called Earth and Beyond. Also where the common llama references come from. If you had taken even a moment to research me and my corp you would know that.
Squinty eyes?? That's a reach.
I am listening to miners because I am a miner and I run a well established many year old mining corporation.
I am listening to folks that want ambulation because I also want ambulation.
Trolls: Mentally diminished station dwelling fail bots with internet access.
Issler |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
852
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Posted - 2012.02.12 21:43:00 -
[311] - Quote
testobjekt wrote:would you support spending CCP budget on real word desingers to make eve more of a fashion icon game?
No
Issler |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.02.12 21:44:00 -
[312] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:testobjekt wrote:would you support spending CCP budget on real word desingers to make eve more of a fashion icon game? No Issler
So now you don't support ambulation? Which is it? |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
852
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Posted - 2012.02.12 21:50:00 -
[313] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So I'll be challenging the other candidates to explain what their position in the state of mining is and what priority they would give mining over the term of the CSM 7.
Let see who really is the miners friend!
Issler Certainly not you since you're only pretending to care about mining in a cheap ploy to garner votes. Everybody knows that the only thing you care about is getting more space pants for your toonies. lol, you no longer troll the WiS thread due to Team Avatar posting so now you wanna troll here. Gawd just how fail can you get? I also place my vote for Issler. I don't post in that thread because I got tired of talking to all of Issler's alts instead of real people who think the game needs more space pants.. Also, I'm no longer too worried about CCP wasting any more time on Incarna based on what I heard from the last CSM summit...it sounds like people who still have their jobs at CCP treat Incarna and the NEX store as a joke and don't want anything to do with either of them. Now I'm just here watching Issler jump on any platform she sees people talking about in a cynical attempt to get on the CSM.
Jumping on mining? Yes, I have, I started 6 years ago to prep for this very day!
And my WiS threadnaught was clearly prep for the CSM 7. Do you have parasitic brain worms that make you come up with this stuff? Or simple space madness?
I have never supported the NeX store so get over that, so proof or STFU.
You have no idea what was really said at the summit since you weren't there. Unless you claim to be a mittens alt!
Last response to you by the way, but please keep looking like and idiot and bumping my threads in the process!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
852
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Posted - 2012.02.12 21:53:00 -
[314] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:testobjekt wrote:would you support spending CCP budget on real word desingers to make eve more of a fashion icon game? No Issler So now you don't support ambulation? Which is it?
NeX clothing is not ambulation. Your attempt to link the two gets you a 0/10 for troll skills.
Issler |
Tohrazer Hextech
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 23:27:00 -
[315] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:[quote=The Mittani]
For too long we have been told by the "elite" that there is an "endgame" we all must be driven to in null and that aspects of we enjoy, like RP, small high sec corps, solo play and eventually walking in stations is something we should be ashamed of and be forced to abandon. I call to others, like myself that reject the notion that a small group of powerful players can dictate to CCP changes in our game that devalue our chosen style of game play. I believe that the CSM 6 showed very clearly that the CSM can distract CCP to focus on the interests of a powerful minority and ignore the majority of the players of Eve.[/center] [/i]
I do appreciate the dialog with the members of the CSM 6 that have chosen to post here.
Issler
Incarna = people quit
Crucible = people resubbed
metrics dont lie, this CSM 6 has had a positive effect, the values you champion cause the game to lose subs, this is a game about internet spaceships, anything that improves the internet spaceship side of the game is a positive thing, this is not second life - if people are looking for that kind of experience, they should go play ******* second life - when games deviate from their roots and what made people buy/sub to the game in the first place, they failscade |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:38:00 -
[316] - Quote
you don't support "ambulation" all you want is social gameplay
you made a few posts in the threadnaught, towards the end when the devs started replying to the joy of everyone ccp devs: "well we are trying to get some gameplay into wis that fits with eve" you: "that will take too long, just give me the corp room/bar and promenade now" do you deny that? do you deny that many of your supporters there are the moronic type who wanted more space pants and skirts? do you understand why social gameplay is not actual gameplay/content, and immersion for immersion's sake is frivolous?
your wis and social gaming crap is inferior like Kenny g, we just want to play the old John Coltrane.
wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:39:00 -
[317] - Quote
http://evefaces.com/?Issler%20Dainze (bbcode derp not possible to link) and still you have not explained the eyes wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1584
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Posted - 2012.02.13 01:08:00 -
[318] - Quote
Stop calling her thread a threadnaught. It took months and months to get to 100 pages and people trolling her for supporting space pants over space ships make up about 90% of the entire thread.
Keep in mind that this is a person who saw what happened over the Summer of Rage and wants CCP to go back on their commitment to improve actual Eve gameplay. She's literally advocating for something that would destroy the game. Keep that in mind before you decide to vote to put her on a council that helps CCP decide the direction of Eve. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Gevlin
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
99
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:45:00 -
[319] - Quote
You have my Pre Vote Would be interesting to hear you on debates..
I enjoy your stand on going against the Group Think that so easily happens with the Mob mentality that can easily develop with in the Eve Community.
Even though you may not end up the most favored person on the future CSM you will bring a Balance to the thought process.
some of the things like Veterian rewards - as mentioned in the Last CSM minutes is simply taking an idea copied from one game and putting it into eve to be similar where the goal of Venterian rewards to reward long term loyalty vs raming though experience..... Eves Learning system replaces the need for this feature.
The Nerfing of Drones space to make it like every other space because it is broken... they why does no-one want to live there? is what I always here. It is just the CSM7 saying this is the way we play the game and it the way everyone should play the game.
I think Variety of points of view will be important, you bring this. So unless you screw up something major you will have my 4 account votes.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1125
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Posted - 2012.02.13 17:07:00 -
[320] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So I'll be challenging the other candidates to explain what their position in the state of mining is and what priority they would give mining over the term of the CSM 7.
Let see who really is the miners friend!
Issler Certainly not you since you're only pretending to care about mining in a cheap ploy to garner votes. Everybody knows that the only thing you care about is getting more space pants for your toonies. lol, you no longer troll the WiS thread due to Team Avatar posting so now you wanna troll here. Gawd just how fail can you get? I also place my vote for Issler. I don't post in that thread because I got tired of talking to all of Issler's alts instead of real people who think the game needs more space pants.. Also, I'm no longer too worried about CCP wasting any more time on Incarna based on what I heard from the last CSM summit...it sounds like people who still have their jobs at CCP treat Incarna and the NEX store as a joke and don't want anything to do with either of them. Now I'm just here watching Issler jump on any platform she sees people talking about in a cynical attempt to get on the CSM.
Gawd, you're such a fail troll as well as a liar. This is my main character, not an alt. Obviously you have no clue what CCP plans to do. Please post a link to show evidence supporting your claims. If not, then STFU. |
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Andrea Griffin
113
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Posted - 2012.02.13 18:07:00 -
[321] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Miners! When was the last time there was an interesting change in mining? Do you have any ideas at all that might make it more interesting? I understand that you're not running as a game designer (which is good), but can you provide any rough direction on what might be helpful?
Issler Dainze wrote:Low sec - a segment of the game that has been ignored forever! When I started I often mined in low sec, now no one mines in low sec because it just isn't worth the risk. Any rough ideas on how to change this?
Issler Dainze wrote:Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case. Then you're doing it wrong. I am a casual trader and I still manage to pull in 300-500 million in profit every month. The serious traders who put in a lot of time make vastly larger amounts. What about the trading profession makes you believe that it isn't worthwhile?
It's nice to say "Oh stuff needs fixed!" but without providing any ideas on HOW you want it fixed we are unable to get an idea of what kind of candidate you are. Kind of like "Hope and Change!" What kind of change, exactly? It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
879
|
Posted - 2012.02.13 20:06:00 -
[322] - Quote
Andrea Griffin wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miners! When was the last time there was an interesting change in mining? Do you have any ideas at all that might make it more interesting? I understand that you're not running as a game designer (which is good), but can you provide any rough direction on what might be helpful? Issler Dainze wrote:Low sec - a segment of the game that has been ignored forever! When I started I often mined in low sec, now no one mines in low sec because it just isn't worth the risk. Any rough ideas on how to change this? Issler Dainze wrote:Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case. Then you're doing it wrong. I am a casual trader and I still manage to pull in 300-500 million in profit every month. The serious traders who put in a lot of time make vastly larger amounts. What about the trading profession makes you believe that it isn't worthwhile? It's nice to say "Oh stuff needs fixed!" but without providing any ideas on HOW you want it fixed we are unable to get an idea of what kind of candidate you are. Kind of like "Hope and Change!" What kind of change, exactly?
I posted some of my ideas in this and other threads recently. I'm not able to find them and re-post them at this moment (on a break at work) but I promise I'll collect them and give a reply to your very reasonable questions this evening!
Thanks,
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
879
|
Posted - 2012.02.13 20:09:00 -
[323] - Quote
Andrea Griffin wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miners! When was the last time there was an interesting change in mining? Do you have any ideas at all that might make it more interesting? I understand that you're not running as a game designer (which is good), but can you provide any rough direction on what might be helpful? Issler Dainze wrote:Low sec - a segment of the game that has been ignored forever! When I started I often mined in low sec, now no one mines in low sec because it just isn't worth the risk. Any rough ideas on how to change this? Issler Dainze wrote:Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case. Then you're doing it wrong. I am a casual trader and I still manage to pull in 300-500 million in profit every month. The serious traders who put in a lot of time make vastly larger amounts. What about the trading profession makes you believe that it isn't worthwhile? It's nice to say "Oh stuff needs fixed!" but without providing any ideas on HOW you want it fixed we are unable to get an idea of what kind of candidate you are. Kind of like "Hope and Change!" What kind of change, exactly?
Here is one post I made that might address some of your questions about my ideas.
Issler mining ideas
Issler |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
252
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Posted - 2012.02.14 07:52:00 -
[324] - Quote
Huh, Issler, have you applied for the CSM? You aren't being listed... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
844
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 14:42:00 -
[325] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Huh, Issler, have you applied for the CSM? You aren't being listed...
My question too !? |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
882
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 19:01:00 -
[326] - Quote
You should see my listed shortly. Had a small question about my passport that I'm resolving now. I'll have everything CCP needs from me to them this evening.
Issler |
Jita Alt666
895
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Posted - 2012.02.14 20:13:00 -
[327] - Quote
Why do you have two threads?
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
882
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Posted - 2012.02.14 20:41:00 -
[328] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Why do you have two threads?
That is a great question.
It wasn't clear what CCP expected in terms of how you got your 100 likes. I had stated another thread to announce the name change of the party, but realized that I was "splitting" my likes so I went back to the original thread. A few folks keep posting in the thread I'm trying to abandon.
Sorry for the confusion.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
884
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 00:16:00 -
[329] - Quote
I see a lot of folks putting "re-elect" in their titles.
Technically I could add that as well as I was a member of CSM2 and CSM3!
Just sayin.....
Issler |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
879
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Posted - 2012.02.15 00:26:00 -
[330] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:I see a lot of folks putting "re-elect" in their titles.
Technically I could add that as well as I was a member of CSM2 and CSM3!
Just sayin.....
Issler
Can you please remind me of anything CSM2 or CSM3 actually accomplished? Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
885
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Posted - 2012.02.15 00:44:00 -
[331] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I see a lot of folks putting "re-elect" in their titles.
Technically I could add that as well as I was a member of CSM2 and CSM3!
Just sayin.....
Issler Can you please remind me of anything CSM2 or CSM3 actually accomplished?
The biggest things the CSM 2 did were:
1. Reviewed the POS production scandal and verified in an NDA-ed setting that CCP had no connection to the incident, that the effect of the economy was minimal and that the abusers had been suitably punished. The few of us with software engineering backgrounds got to see the bug in great detail on behalf of the Eve players.
2. We killed the combat simulator.
3. We showed that the CSM could come together and work as a unified group despite politics (CSM 1 had some serious internal politics that had made many say the CSM couldn't work).
4. Continued the pressure that eventually netted us the Orca.
CSM 3 showed CCP takes the NDA and abuse of the inside information given to the CSM seriously. CSM 3 also began the discussions about CSM terms that resulted in the longer terms that make the CSM more effective.
If you want more details it is all there in the Eve Wiki for those with inquiring minds!
Issler |
Jon Lucien
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:44:00 -
[332] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:[quote=Xolve][quote=Issler Dainze]I see a lot of folks putting "re-elect" in their titles. 2. We killed the combat simulator.
The combat simulator was possibly the single greatest hope for miners. It allowed them to consider what space combat might be like while still remaining motionless and shooting rocks for mind-numbing hours. By helping to kill the combat simulator you destroyed the wet dreams of miners everywhere. I am now reconsidering whether you deserve the votes of my 23 mining alt accounts. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
148
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:29:00 -
[333] - Quote
I was going to vote for two step but i may vote for you instead. However, i'm interested to hear how you would change wormholes... |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
896
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:02:00 -
[334] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:I was going to vote for two step but i may vote for you instead. However, i'm interested to hear how you would change wormholes...
I'm working on a position on WHs. The TL;DR version is they have been too stagnant since their release, we were promised the constant stream of new content and experience in WHs and what we got was first version then CCP went off to find a new shiny.
I can say I am very opposed to any nerfs there. I was solidly against the crazy ore nerf the CSM 6 seemed to support.
More on them soon!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
896
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 19:06:00 -
[335] - Quote
Jon Lucien wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:[quote=Xolve][quote=Issler Dainze]I see a lot of folks putting "re-elect" in their titles. 2. We killed the combat simulator.
The combat simulator was possibly the single greatest hope for miners. It allowed them to consider what space combat might be like while still remaining motionless and shooting rocks for mind-numbing hours. By helping to kill the combat simulator you destroyed the wet dreams of miners everywhere. I am now reconsidering whether you deserve the votes of my 23 mining alt accounts.
The most vocal opponent of the combat simulator was the then leader of your rabble, Darius Johnson. So take it up with your alliance leadership.
Issler |
Gevlin
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
100
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:46:00 -
[336] - Quote
combat simulator will really entertain those who are always looking for 1v1
I would like to see more Veldspar out in Null sec... sure the rocks are easy to see, but try and get 1 or 2 cycles out of a rock it is just a waste of time. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
900
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 22:24:00 -
[337] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:combat simulator will really entertain those who are always looking for 1v1
I would like to see more Veldspar out in Null sec... sure the rocks are easy to see, but try and get 1 or 2 cycles out of a rock it is just a waste of time.
It has been a while since I mined in null (syndicate), I should do a sneaky tour out in the void and see how it compares with my memories.
Every miners dream are those large rocks you can chew on forever! Ah, lulled by that sweet laser sound....
Remember, it is the dream of every rock to be made into a shiny ship!
Issler |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
844
|
Posted - 2012.02.16 11:56:00 -
[338] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:You should see my listed shortly. Had a small question about my passport that I'm resolving now. I'll have everything CCP needs from me to them this evening.
Issler
Thnx for response |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
907
|
Posted - 2012.02.16 19:06:00 -
[339] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:You should see my listed shortly. Had a small question about my passport that I'm resolving now. I'll have everything CCP needs from me to them this evening.
Issler Thnx for response
All the requested passport related materials have been submitted, I should be on the list of candidates in the next day.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
915
|
Posted - 2012.02.17 00:45:00 -
[340] - Quote
In anticipation of the acceptance of my CSM 7 application I am announcing my first of many in game events to bring the miners of Eve together in solidarity.
The Million Miner March!!!!
We will stage the largest live gathering in Eve in the history of Eve!
Miners unite and show CCP and the Eve population that mining matters!
I'm working on the details so we can make this a peaceful gathering and not some gankfest for suicide inclined evil folk.
Look for details this weekend (also the web site is being set up as we speak!)
Issler |
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Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.02.17 14:12:00 -
[341] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:In anticipation of the acceptance of my CSM 7 application I am announcing my first of many in game events to bring the miners of Eve together in solidarity.
The Million Miner March!!!!
We will stage the largest live gathering in Eve in the history of Eve!
Miners unite and show CCP and the Eve population that mining matters!
I'm working on the details so we can make this a peaceful gathering and not some gankfest for suicide inclined evil folk.
Look for details this weekend (also the web site is being set up as we speak!)
Issler
Thnx for caring for miners and roleplay. You will have my vote. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
935
|
Posted - 2012.02.17 19:04:00 -
[342] - Quote
Just wanted to point out I am now on the candidate list! Woot!
Thanks for the support so far, now the ball is in my space court! I won't let you down!
Issler |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
135
|
Posted - 2012.02.17 19:11:00 -
[343] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:In anticipation of the acceptance of my CSM 7 application I am announcing my first of many in game events to bring the miners of Eve together in solidarity.
The Million Miner March!!!!
We will stage the largest live gathering in Eve in the history of Eve!
Miners unite and show CCP and the Eve population that mining matters!
I'm working on the details so we can make this a peaceful gathering and not some gankfest for suicide inclined evil folk.
Look for details this weekend (also the web site is being set up as we speak!)
Issler if you actually stage this i may vote for you in gratitude
thanks buddy |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
935
|
Posted - 2012.02.17 19:17:00 -
[344] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:In anticipation of the acceptance of my CSM 7 application I am announcing my first of many in game events to bring the miners of Eve together in solidarity.
The Million Miner March!!!!
We will stage the largest live gathering in Eve in the history of Eve!
Miners unite and show CCP and the Eve population that mining matters!
I'm working on the details so we can make this a peaceful gathering and not some gankfest for suicide inclined evil folk.
Look for details this weekend (also the web site is being set up as we speak!)
Issler if you actually stage this i may vote for you in gratitude thanks buddy
It will happen but I don't think in a way that will make you that happy. But your vote would be very nice!
Issler |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
257
|
Posted - 2012.02.17 20:58:00 -
[345] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Just wanted to point out I am now on the candidate list! Woot!
Thanks for the support so far, now the ball is in my space court! I won't let you down!
Issler
Michele? Are you Italian? A girl? Or just your parents had a sense of humor? EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
937
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:00:00 -
[346] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Just wanted to point out I am now on the candidate list! Woot!
Thanks for the support so far, now the ball is in my space court! I won't let you down!
Issler Michele? Are you Italian? A girl? Or just your parents had a sense of humor?
A girl with parents with odd spelling sensibilities (and a sense of humor! )
Issler (Michele)
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
257
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:41:00 -
[347] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Just wanted to point out I am now on the candidate list! Woot!
Thanks for the support so far, now the ball is in my space court! I won't let you down!
Issler Michele? Are you Italian? A girl? Or just your parents had a sense of humor? A girl with parents with odd spelling sensibilities (and a sense of humor! ) Issler (Michele)
Darn! Now i feel compelled to voting you even if I think my vote could be of better use added to Hans' pool of FW votes!
Always serve the ladies... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe
229
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Posted - 2012.02.18 01:18:00 -
[348] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:happy
/me sighs sadly Sincerely, Gloomy Gus, Spaceship Pilot.
This post has been signed and sealed by Gloomy Gus, poster on an internet space ship forum entitled EVE: Gate. All Rights Reserved. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
231
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Posted - 2012.02.19 11:59:00 -
[349] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Gevlin wrote:combat simulator will really entertain those who are always looking for 1v1
I would like to see more Veldspar out in Null sec... sure the rocks are easy to see, but try and get 1 or 2 cycles out of a rock it is just a waste of time. It has been a while since I mined in null (syndicate), I should do a sneaky tour out in the void and see how it compares with my memories. Every miners dream are those large rocks you can chew on forever! Ah, lulled by that sweet laser sound.... Remember, it is the dream of every rock to be made into a shiny ship! Issler
Get a Stealth Bomber and mine out there with torpedoes
But seriously, I've been out there in Syndicate/Outer Ring trying to grind back up my sec-status (too much fun...errrm...punishing...botters in hisec) and it's usually dead-quiet with the exception of a few systems after ca. 22.00h North America Mountain TZ.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7! (Mittens, you may not want to admit it, but your day in the sun is over. Next!)
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
231
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Posted - 2012.02.19 12:04:00 -
[350] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:testobjekt wrote:would you support spending CCP budget on real word desingers to make eve more of a fashion icon game? No Issler So now you don't support ambulation? Which is it?
Fail-troll is fail, -10/10.
False equivalence: He haz it!
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7! (Mittens, you may not want to admit it, but your day in the sun is over. Next!)
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HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
156
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Posted - 2012.02.19 13:08:00 -
[351] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Darn! Now i feel compelled to voting you even if I think my vote could be of better use added to Hans' pool of FW votes! Always serve the ladies...
Thanks for confirming your creepiness for everyone to see.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
259
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Posted - 2012.02.19 18:42:00 -
[352] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Darn! Now i feel compelled to voting you even if I think my vote could be of better use added to Hans' pool of FW votes! Always serve the ladies... Thanks for confirming your creepiness for everyone to see.
0/10. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Jihzma Mei
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
46
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Posted - 2012.02.20 01:07:00 -
[353] - Quote
He wasn't trolling, that was pretty creepy. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
167
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Posted - 2012.02.20 02:18:00 -
[354] - Quote
yeah it's actually sorta creepy wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.20 23:12:00 -
[355] - Quote
Gloomy Gus wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:happy /me sighs sadly
My latest CSM 7 election victory! :-)
Seriously! Don't worry! Be happy!
Issler |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1855
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Posted - 2012.02.21 05:24:00 -
[356] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Darn! Now i feel compelled to voting you even if I think my vote could be of better use added to Hans' pool of FW votes! Always serve the ladies...
If I send you a picture of myself wearing a cute dress will it help secure your votes? I'll let you pick the color... |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
262
|
Posted - 2012.02.21 07:55:00 -
[357] - Quote
Oh, come on, stop it... was just a silly attempt of a joke. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
215
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Posted - 2012.02.21 15:58:00 -
[358] - Quote
Posting for candidacy view on Bounty Hunting. Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
Stop EvE Apathy |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
218
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:12:00 -
[359] - Quote
Thankyou for providing your thoughts in the linked thread above. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
946
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:11:00 -
[360] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Thankyou for providing your thoughts in the linked thread above.
Thanks for pointing it out and giving me the opportunity!
Issler |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
953
|
Posted - 2012.02.22 19:42:00 -
[361] - Quote
First in game live campaign event will this Sunday.
I will be asking anyone that supports CCP putting some resources into improving the mining experience to show up in Rens in an NPC corp alt and noob ship to make suicide ganking pointless and gather in numbers to show CCP we miners matter!
There will be a number of these events including flash mining mobs and the final even at the end of the election cycle will be a mass demonstration in Jita.
Also I will be contacting folks that expressed interest in joining the advisory council directly later this week. If you are interested in an adviser role don't hesitate to contact me directly if you haven't heard from me by Saturday.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
268
|
Posted - 2012.02.22 21:21:00 -
[362] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:First in game live campaign event will this Sunday.
I will be asking anyone that supports CCP putting some resources into improving the mining experience to show up in Rens in an NPC corp alt and noob ship to make suicide ganking pointless and gather in numbers to show CCP we miners matter!
There will be a number of these events including flash mining mobs and the final even at the end of the election cycle will be a mass demonstration in Jita.
Also I will be contacting folks that expressed interest in joining the advisory council directly later this week. If you are interested in an adviser role don't hesitate to contact me directly if you haven't heard from me by Saturday.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
Unfortunately, only my main had JC access an she's unsubbed...
But you have my miner alt's moral support. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1186
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Posted - 2012.02.23 08:54:00 -
[363] - Quote
Just a friendly bump to the top.
Congratulations on becoming an official candidate, good luck and much success to you in being elected to CSM7.
DMC
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
405
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Posted - 2012.02.23 08:58:00 -
[364] - Quote
I know you are running on a highsec platform, and it may have been covered in one of the many posts in this thread I am not bothering to read(because I don't want to read page after page of highsec issues I am not too concerned about) but where will you stand on the various nullsec issues?
If you already answered this, a link to the post you answered in would be great.
Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.02.23 09:02:00 -
[365] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote: but where will you stand on the various nullsec issues?
with any luck, far far away. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
405
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Posted - 2012.02.23 09:36:00 -
[366] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote: but where will you stand on the various nullsec issues? with any luck, far far away. tbh, thats the answer I hope for. CSM should have some highsec reps get elected simply so they can pull a Two Step and point out ******** ideas(*coughcoughwormholestabilizercough*) but if you don't live in the current environment, then you should always yield to people who do deal with it every day. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Aiifa
Pandora Sphere Narwhals Ate My Duck
9
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Posted - 2012.02.23 14:03:00 -
[367] - Quote
While we're talking about demographics, having a female csm member will do a lot for credibility
hisec should unite behind issler |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
175
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Posted - 2012.02.23 14:21:00 -
[368] - Quote
Issler is actually more of a wis candidate. With her RL background in GPU optimization and experience in the gaming industry you will not find another person as qualified as her to work with ccp on wis. But still she is a wis candidate so if wis is your thang... wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
4
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Posted - 2012.02.23 18:35:00 -
[369] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Issler is actually more of a wis candidate. With her RL background in GPU optimization and experience in the gaming industry you will not find another person as qualified as her to work with ccp on wis. But still she is a wis candidate so if wis is your thang...
Nope, sorry...Issler is not just "a WiS candidate"...what she IS is a CSM7 candidate who says that WiS is possible if DONE RIGHT, along with a lot of other ideas on how to make this game we like more enjoyable for us - and that the idea of WiS shouldn't be totally abandoned by CCP as the players like it IF IT'S DONE RIGHT (including not starving the developement of FiS to do it). There are certainly some who would like to paint her as a one-issue candidate, but, sorry again, that's just not the case.
Oh wow...what a strange coincidence...CCP recently put out a Dev Blog "Introducing Team Avatar - The Keymasters of Bipedal Gameplay" where they link to one of Issler's forum posts as player ideas they're at least listening to: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3430
Maybe it's a good idea to let CCP hear what we have to say? (we as in ALL of us - i.e. all the different players playing this big sandbox game using many different playstyles, doing many different things) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
968
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Posted - 2012.02.23 18:44:00 -
[370] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:I know you are running on a highsec platform, and it may have been covered in one of the many posts in this thread I am not bothering to read(because I don't want to read page after page of highsec issues I am not too concerned about) but where will you stand on the various nullsec issues?
If you already answered this, a link to the post you answered in would be great.
So a quick summary of what I consider to be the major issues in null. If there is something specific, please feel free to ask.
1. Supercaps are way busted and I'm not sure recent changes makes the problem any better. In particular the idea that once you commit to piloting one you are basically trapped like a rat in it forever. I support docking them in destroy-able structures.
2. CCP tried to improve the SOV mechanisms and seems to have made them eve worse.
3. Null should have all the resources you need to live there. The fact we have folks still needing to chase down resources from highsec is broken.
4. The Technetium moon is not working as intended. These don't create a constant churn in ownership and conflict drivers. They are isk printing machines for a few big alliances.
5. I would like CCP finally get some sort of treaty system in place to make leasing a system a much more predicable experience.
Those are the "off the top of my head" answers.
Thanks for asking,
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
978
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:46:00 -
[371] - Quote
Folks that want to talk about making mining better in game please join the in game channel:
"Mining Miners"
CCP, show the miners the love!
Issler Danze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1648
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:52:00 -
[372] - Quote
Ka P'lah wrote:Nope, sorry...Issler is not just "a WiS candidate".
Yeah she's the WiS candidate because it's the only issue she's really been passionate about. Everything else I've seen from her has been pandering.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
981
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:09:00 -
[373] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Ka P'lah wrote:Nope, sorry...Issler is not just "a WiS candidate". Yeah she's the WiS candidate because it's the only issue she's really been passionate about. Everything else I've seen from her has been pandering.
It's Lady Marmot again!
Right, I have expressed my total disinterest in mining by running a mining corporation for the last 5: years.
Just ask any of my corp members about how I buy all the ore that they get in the mining operations we organize just to get it out of my sight! And all the mining medals we have created to confirm my lack of support for mining.
Oh, and how I invented a PvP game based on mining called Bantam Ball!
Please look for the Bantam Ball Link on this page as the forums won't parse it
Could you at least TRY to be more clever in your trolling, I know you can do better!
Issler |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1661
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Posted - 2012.02.25 00:00:00 -
[374] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Could you at least TRY to be more clever in your trolling, I know you can do better!
Issler
Based on your increasingly shrill responses it looks like I'm doing just fine.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
987
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Posted - 2012.02.25 02:50:00 -
[375] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Could you at least TRY to be more clever in your trolling, I know you can do better!
Issler Based on your increasingly shrill responses it looks like I'm doing just fine.
For once you are doing something useful, bumping my CSM thread and offering more opportunities to show my mining cred.
Issler |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1671
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Posted - 2012.02.25 06:47:00 -
[376] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Could you at least TRY to be more clever in your trolling, I know you can do better!
Issler Based on your increasingly shrill responses it looks like I'm doing just fine. For once you are doing something useful, bumping my CSM thread and offering more opportunities to show my mining cred. Issler
I'm more than happy to bump your thread. I want to see it on page one at all times so you think you have a chance of getting on the CSM. I also want to remind people that you are the space pants candidate no matter how much you try and deny it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
988
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Posted - 2012.02.25 07:11:00 -
[377] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Could you at least TRY to be more clever in your trolling, I know you can do better!
Issler Based on your increasingly shrill responses it looks like I'm doing just fine. For once you are doing something useful, bumping my CSM thread and offering more opportunities to show my mining cred. Issler I'm more than happy to bump your thread. I want to see it on page one at all times so you think you have a chance of getting on the CSM. I also want to remind people that you are the space pants candidate no matter how much you try and deny it.
Lady Marmot's inner voice is just a loop of this over and over again.
Issler
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None ofthe Above
84
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Posted - 2012.02.26 18:33:00 -
[378] - Quote
Bump for relevance for the Million Miner March:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72666&find=unread
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
997
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Posted - 2012.02.26 21:14:00 -
[379] - Quote
We held the first gathering today. We started small because I think a lot of folks doubted we would do this. We spread the word across a number of systems and ended helping a fellow miner complete a mining mission.
Join us! Miners Unite!
The next gathering will be announced in the next couple of days!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1000
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:28:00 -
[380] - Quote
Still waiting for another CSM candidate to take up my challenge in my "What will you do for miners" thread in Jita Park.
And the activity in the mining miners channels is picking up. If you want mining improved please join the channel and get active sharing your support for mining!
Thanks for the support so far! And as of this moment I know have exactly 1000 personal likes!!!
/me does the likes dance
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1684
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Posted - 2012.02.27 23:39:00 -
[381] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:We held the first gathering today. We started small because I think a lot of folks doubted we would do this.
So what you're saying is that nobody showed up.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1009
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:31:00 -
[382] - Quote
So again I am challenging the other CSM 7 candidates to reply in my debate threads. Mining and ambulation. So far only on candidate has taken up the challenge. Thanks to Alekseyev Karrde for stating a position on ambulation.
So voters, if you mine or care about ambulation (one way or the other) demand the other candidates come clean about what you can expect from them!
Issler Dainze The Miiner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1695
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:45:00 -
[383] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:So again I am challenging the other CSM 7 candidates to reply in my debate threads. Mining and ambulation.
Their silence tells you everything you need to know. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
182
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:57:00 -
[384] - Quote
Shame you didn't make it to the podcast debate. It might of improved your chances. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.02.28 21:24:00 -
[385] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:So again I am challenging the other CSM 7 candidates to reply in my debate threads. Mining and ambulation. So far only on candidate has taken up the challenge. Thanks to Alekseyev Karrde for stating a position on ambulation.
So voters, if you mine or care about ambulation (one way or the other) demand the other candidates come clean about what you can expect from them!
Issler Dainze The Miiner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
"other csm candidates should waste their time on the most unimportant of issues so I look like less of a dolt for making them the focus of my campaign" |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.02.28 21:25:00 -
[386] - Quote
Issler Dainze: so in touch with the miners of new eden, she can spell "miners'' |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1696
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Posted - 2012.02.28 22:05:00 -
[387] - Quote
Maybe actual miners didn't want to be associated with her. Somebody will have to check with the miiners since she's their friend now. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1010
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:08:00 -
[388] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Shame you didn't make it to the podcast debate. It might of improved your chances.
I made every effort and restructured my entire Sunday to participate but for some reason the moderators couldn't see me in Skype. I hope there will be other debates that I can participate in.
Issler |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.02.29 14:54:00 -
[389] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Shame you didn't make it to the podcast debate. It might of improved your chances. I made every effort and restructured my entire Sunday to participate but for some reason the moderators couldn't see me in Skype. I hope there will be other debates that I can participate in. Issler
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
783
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Posted - 2012.02.29 14:57:00 -
[390] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Skippermonkey taught me how to run missions using just defender missiles and a cargo scanner. If i wasnt running for CSM i'd vote for him!
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1017
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:46:00 -
[391] - Quote
Skippermonkey wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Skippermonkey taught me how to run missions using just defender missiles and a cargo scanner. If i wasnt running for CSM i'd vote for him!
I'm pretty sure I never said that but Skippermonkey, the CSM would be a lot more interesting if you are elected, as to if that's in a good way we'll have to let the voters decide!
Skippermonkey, I hope you'll post in my ambulation and mining debate threads!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate A Skippermonkey Fan |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
80
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Posted - 2012.02.29 22:00:00 -
[392] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see.
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate.
This.
Not that I care about ambulation in the least, but FiS is a fine platform to form on as long as it's Mittani's FiS.
I'm actually wondering about this.
If Trebor and Seleene and Two Step have been on CSM some of them for YEARS. How is it that these more serious issues to do with Industry and FiS that people have complained about it for those same years (including the last CSM).... are still not being addressed.
Instead we get nerfs to drakes, t3 bc's (useless for missions or low-sec where the gate guns are - 0.0 once again), nerfs to empire POS fuel prices - meaning more profit for t2 bpo holders. Another zero effort to industry expansion.
Manufacturing Papercuts ***CSM Interstellar Debate - Mining Profession**
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1018
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:46:00 -
[393] - Quote
Revolution Rising wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see.
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate.
This. Not that I care about ambulation in the least, but FiS is a fine platform to form on as long as it's Mittani's FiS. I'm actually wondering about this. If Trebor and Seleene and Two Step have been on CSM some of them for YEARS. How is it that these more serious issues to do with Industry and FiS that people have complained about it for those same years (including the last CSM).... are still not being addressed. Instead we get nerfs to drakes, t3 bc's (useless for missions or low-sec where the gate guns are - 0.0 once again), nerfs to empire POS fuel prices - meaning more profit for t2 bpo holders. Another zero effort to industry expansion.
It seems clear that we haven't seen a CSM member in some time that really pushed for content for industrialist and miners.
I hope to have the chance to change that!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Iris Bravemount
Aliastra Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.03.01 00:30:00 -
[394] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:As a VOR candidate running for CSM7 I will specifically address my stance on the aformentioned issues and how I will represent them.
Miners: By removing NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, highsec can no longer be flooded with minerals to the degree that only botted up NPC corp miners can. Trit and pye will only increase in value as supply decreases to meet demand. Ban NPC Corps.
Low-Sec: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, lowsec's 'safety' will increase in relation, making it more sensible for players to move there in a calculated risk/reward move. Ban NPC Corps.
Industrialists: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, industrialists will no longer have one option - to undercut thousands of other industrialists with max skills and max safety. By forcefully decreasing the supply, industrialists' work is valued more individually. Ban NPC Corps.
Traders: Traders benefit the most by banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually decable. Imagine the potential profit determined traders could make if the non-stop fleet of AFK autopiloting NPC freighters were made vulnerable. Ban NPC Corps.
WiS: Ban NPC Corps
Nicolo 2012 CSM VOR High Council Ban NPC Corps
At first, I thought you may have a good point here.
But seriously. Removing NPC corps would only make it worse. The big alliances could then easily claim the highsec tradehubs for themselves by camping the gates and shooting every hauler not blue to them. Be it with suicide ganks or through wardecs.
And, as stated earlier in this thread, being in a NPC corp is restrictive enough as it is. High taxes and no POS. Improve weapon sound effects |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1208
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Posted - 2012.03.01 01:52:00 -
[395] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:
I'm more than happy to bump your thread. I want to see it on page one at all times so you think you have a chance of getting on the CSM. I also want to remind people that you are the space pants candidate no matter how much you try and deny it.
Gawd, you're quite the blowhard windbag, aren't you?. All I ever see from you is 'Yada, yada, yada' when in fact all you ever really say is 'Nada'. All of the statements you keep spouting in this and various other threads is nowhere even close to being factual.
Your continued harassment of Issler Dainze proves that you're nothing more than a fail excuse of a troll trying to boost your pitiful little EPEEN while hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.
What is really ironic is the fact that you constantly bellow about how you're against WiS yet you surely spent a lot of time with the character creator. Don't even bother saying it was created with a quick random roll. Getting that look required a lot of time and effort. Either that or you're in dire need of a long overdue eye examination.
So please, spare us your stale long winded repertoire and just put a cork in it. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
179
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Posted - 2012.03.01 08:27:00 -
[396] - Quote
you cannot expunge your taint of wis by misrepresenting yourself as purely a "Miner's Friend"! i fear you may alienate fans like DMC here! i hope you get on another podcast! your no-show at the lost in eve debates was a great disappointment! on wis you should be out and proud! do ask! do tell! aint it annoying when i end all sentences with !
wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
179
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Posted - 2012.03.01 08:29:00 -
[397] - Quote
and personally i find issler's slit eyes more offending, with harlot i get it, issler, idgi wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
780
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Posted - 2012.03.01 08:42:00 -
[398] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:So again I am challenging the other CSM 7 candidates to reply in my debate threads. Mining and ambulation. So far only on candidate has taken up the challenge. Thanks to Alekseyev Karrde for stating a position on ambulation.
So voters, if you mine or care about ambulation (one way or the other) demand the other candidates come clean about what you can expect from them!
Issler Dainze The Miiner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
I'm not a CSM 7 candidate but I've responded in your debate thread with what I think is a salient point.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1025
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:46:00 -
[399] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So again I am challenging the other CSM 7 candidates to reply in my debate threads. Mining and ambulation. So far only on candidate has taken up the challenge. Thanks to Alekseyev Karrde for stating a position on ambulation.
So voters, if you mine or care about ambulation (one way or the other) demand the other candidates come clean about what you can expect from them!
Issler Dainze The Miiner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
I'm not a CSM 7 candidate but I've responded in your debate thread with what I think is a salient point.
Thanks! A rational dialog is all I can ask.
Issler |
Aquila Draco
130
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Posted - 2012.03.02 17:55:00 -
[400] - Quote
In the light of new dev blog, I want to ask you your opinion on botting, botts and anty-botting techniques that CCP is applying (or not applying). Do you think this is sufficient or there needs to me more anty-botting measures? |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1031
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Posted - 2012.03.02 19:09:00 -
[401] - Quote
Aquila Draco wrote:In the light of new dev blog, I want to ask you your opinion on botting, botts and anty-botting techniques that CCP is applying (or not applying). Do you think this is sufficient or there needs to me more anty-botting measures?
They need to add some technology barriers to their efforts, They can change the UI to make scraping harder and modifiy the client internals to again, increase the difficulty in creating bots. They can also regularly change these things on a regular basis to break any bots that circumvent the anti-botting measures. This alone isn't enough but it will thwart the less sophisticated bots and that is a start.
Issler |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.03.02 20:54:00 -
[402] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:The change in the CSM elections and the Iceland face to face meeting attendance make it even more important that the Eve general population get involved in the upcoming elections. To that end I am anouncing I will be running and organizing the "Rational Party of Eve". Let me explain my plans and ask for your support.
The "Rational Party of Eve" intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec PvE Casual Players Ambulation
Basically folk that often are discarded as "carebears" but make up a huge portion of the Eve population. A group that has not had representaion for a long time in the CSM.
So "Issler", you say, there may be many folks that would want to help support those players. I would say "yes, I hope there are!"
We will organize and debate in the public spaces of Eve to refine our ideas to present to CCP when we win a seat on CSM 7!
So "bears", will you join me in creating a council and coming up with the best ideas to improve mining and life in high sec for the players that focus on PvE and industry? One thing to remember, I am not running to be a surrogate game designer, I am running to represent the players and what they want from CCP. Your ideas will be the focus on my efforts in the CSM 7!
I will be putting considerable energy in getting our party elected and lets find the best council and create the ideas the will motivate CCP to finally put some attention on areas long neglected in our 'verse!
Together we cannot be defeated!!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 candidate Member of the Rational Party of Eve I hope that you never get elected to anything and that this boring game continues to be a mining simulator attached to an excel spreadsheet. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1031
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:14:00 -
[403] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The change in the CSM elections and the Iceland face to face meeting attendance make it even more important that the Eve general population get involved in the upcoming elections. To that end I am anouncing I will be running and organizing the "Rational Party of Eve". Let me explain my plans and ask for your support.
The "Rational Party of Eve" intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec PvE Casual Players Ambulation
Basically folk that often are discarded as "carebears" but make up a huge portion of the Eve population. A group that has not had representaion for a long time in the CSM.
So "Issler", you say, there may be many folks that would want to help support those players. I would say "yes, I hope there are!"
We will organize and debate in the public spaces of Eve to refine our ideas to present to CCP when we win a seat on CSM 7!
So "bears", will you join me in creating a council and coming up with the best ideas to improve mining and life in high sec for the players that focus on PvE and industry? One thing to remember, I am not running to be a surrogate game designer, I am running to represent the players and what they want from CCP. Your ideas will be the focus on my efforts in the CSM 7!
I will be putting considerable energy in getting our party elected and lets find the best council and create the ideas the will motivate CCP to finally put some attention on areas long neglected in our 'verse!
Together we cannot be defeated!!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 candidate Member of the Rational Party of Eve I hope that you never get elected to anything and that this boring game continues to be a mining simulator attached to an excel spreadsheet.
Thanks for the bump. I feel a lot of love in your post!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:16:00 -
[404] - Quote
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate [/quote]
Thanks for signing your post otherwise I wouldn't know which publord was saying inconsequential stuff. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1031
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:38:00 -
[405] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
Thanks for signing your post otherwise I wouldn't know which publord was saying inconsequential stuff.[/quote]
Keep it up, lets make sure my campaign thread is always at the top!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate Signed at the request of FDR |
Boyanskaya Delerium
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2
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Posted - 2012.03.03 09:30:00 -
[406] - Quote
Issler for CSM!!
Why?
Because free competition, accessibility and FUN for everyone.
free competition: No more silly NPC corps doing their silly NPC stuff. Pure player run economy. As a sanbox should be. NPC corps helped start up economy, it's now up to us to run it. SANBOX!
accessibility? more fun missioning. exciting high sec stuff for the more casual of players who can't spend vaste amounts of time.
FUN? Why do you ask about this?
I support issler because I care! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.03.03 09:53:00 -
[407] - Quote
Boyanskaya Delerium wrote:Issler for CSM!!
Why?
Because free competition, accessibility and FUN for everyone.
free competition: No more silly NPC corps doing their silly NPC stuff. Pure player run economy. As a sanbox should be. NPC corps helped start up economy, it's now up to us to run it. SANBOX!
accessibility? more fun missioning. exciting high sec stuff for the more casual of players who can't spend vaste amounts of time.
FUN? Why do you ask about this?
I support issler because I care! uh you said nothing but gibberish industrialists should vote for Seleene http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.com/2012/02/fighting-for-industry.html http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/02/seleenes-sandbox-eves-industrial-revolution/ and Mittani chairman 4lyfe wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
204
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:29:00 -
[408] - Quote
Issler, how do you as a proponent of WiS feel about Riverini's proposal for a pantry drop button in the captain's quarters? Also, if this is implemented, would you like to come over for tea?
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Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
22
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:40:00 -
[409] - Quote
Petitioning your alliance name for Copyright Infringment.
Dez Affinity EVE God Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1750
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:51:00 -
[410] - Quote
Boyanskaya Delerium wrote:Issler for CSM!!
Why?
Because free competition, accessibility and FUN for everyone.
free competition: No more silly NPC corps doing their silly NPC stuff. Pure player run economy. As a sanbox should be. NPC corps helped start up economy, it's now up to us to run it. SANBOX!
accessibility? more fun missioning. exciting high sec stuff for the more casual of players who can't spend vaste amounts of time.
FUN? Why do you ask about this?
I support issler because I care!
Issler, if you're going to use sock puppets to support your campaign you might want to put them in different corps so it doesn't look so obvious.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:54:00 -
[411] - Quote
also quite obvious! when you keep on! writing like! this!
wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
7
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:31:00 -
[412] - Quote
It's pretty funny how so many people seem to get all bent out of shape by the way Issler signs her posts Future of the game we like? Nooo, don't wanna talk about that! I wanna harp on someone's post signature format! ...I guess that sort of thing is easier... |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1757
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:38:00 -
[413] - Quote
Ka P'lah wrote: Future of the game we like? Nooo, don't wanna talk about that! I wanna harp on someone's post signature format! ...I guess that sort of thing is easier...
The future of the game that you envision isn't worth discussing. Mining mini-games and space barbies? No thanks.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
7
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:16:00 -
[414] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: Issler, if you're going to use sock puppets to support your campaign you might want to put them in different corps so it doesn't look so obvious.
Oh, wow. I guess you don't see the extreme irony in you posting that, or you might have been embarrassed to do it.
Ladie Harlot wrote:Ka P'lah wrote: Future of the game we like? Nooo, don't wanna talk about that! I wanna harp on someone's post signature format! ...I guess that sort of thing is easier... The future of the game that you envision isn't worth discussing. Mining mini-games and space barbies? No thanks.
*shrug* You can mock me all you want...it doesn't change the fact that CCP screwed up (what they tried to pass off on us as) walking in stations badly, and if we want our game to progress correctly (meaning major focus on flying in space stuff, more content for us, not abandoning WiS entirely but at least keeping it on the back burner and the players [through the CSM] watching it's development as much as possible to keep it from being messed up in a rush to make money from it ) and stay fun we should keep a close eye on that area so hopefully they won't mess the game up. I don't know why the very idea of discussing that freaks some people out so much.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
245
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:27:00 -
[415] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: [multi-quote le snip]
I'm more than happy to bump your thread. I want to see it on page one at all times so you think you have a chance of getting on the CSM. I also want to remind people that you are the space pants candidate no matter how much you try and deny it.
You seem...a mite perturbed...kinsman/-woman.
Everything alright, mate? I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
Flamespar
Woof Club
287
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Posted - 2012.03.04 08:45:00 -
[416] - Quote
Issler is our best chance to get a finished WiS experience this century. so yeah, you've got my vote. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.04 10:52:00 -
[417] - Quote
If you get WiS pushed through would you also be for CCP allowing players to walk up to the perpetually station-bound shut-in Traders and shoot them in the brainpan? (let them get gunned down by station security moments later, but let the station traders have a constant presence in the stations they are docked at while online and thus vulnerable to a terminal case of lead poisoning...)
And I am a nascent industrialist (who likes his pew pew) who is saying this.
No Safe Havens, even in stations...
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Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
23
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Posted - 2012.03.04 16:46:00 -
[418] - Quote
As CCP have chosen not to act on this obvious infringment of copyright. I will be contacting Honda Motor Company, Ltd. and see what they make of this misrepresentation of the Honda and Honda Accord brand. In particular it's connection to a Spaceship Political Candidate who is running under the banner of the Honda Accord brand.
Enjoy your lawsuit. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1036
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Posted - 2012.03.04 17:59:00 -
[419] - Quote
Dez Affinity wrote:As CCP have chosen not to act on this obvious infringment of copyright. I will be contacting Honda Motor Company, Ltd. and see what they make of this misrepresentation of the Honda and Honda Accord brand. In particular it's connection to a Spaceship Political Candidate who is running under the banner of the Honda Accord brand.
Enjoy your lawsuit.
Let me know how it goes since it has been in Eve for over 4 years.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1036
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Posted - 2012.03.04 18:01:00 -
[420] - Quote
Dez Affinity wrote:As CCP have chosen not to act on this obvious infringment of copyright. I will be contacting Honda Motor Company, Ltd. and see what they make of this misrepresentation of the Honda and Honda Accord brand. In particular it's connection to a Spaceship Political Candidate who is running under the banner of the Honda Accord brand.
Enjoy your lawsuit.
I grew up in the west and I used it in this context...
hon-+daGÇé GÇé[hon-duh] noun an eye at one end of a lariat through which the other end is passed to form a lasso, noose, etc.
Issler |
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Rayke Galastacia
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
3
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Posted - 2012.03.04 18:15:00 -
[421] - Quote
Relax Dez, I spoke with my physics professor, Professor Honda, when I saw your post. He gave us the green light. He and we now have an accord in the usage of his last name.
Arkady, the 'bullets in brain pans' idea won't work in most stations due to the security protocols in most stations that won't allow you out of your quarters while armed. This is especially true in low-sec stations where station owners don't want patrons to outmatch security, so that a semblance of order can be maintained. Due to this fact, a breed of mercenary assassin evolved to fill this niche, with bio-mechanical upgrades so they can kill with hand-to-hand combat and improvised weapons. I wouldn't mind seeing that implemented. Keep people on their toes. Read The Empyrean Age. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.03.04 18:25:00 -
[422] - Quote
With WiS (and Walking in Ships While They're in Stations), would I be able to undock with someone else in my ship? Like, have passengers that aren't exotic dancers or homeless people? As in, actual players? This has interesting gameplay implications, since I could then in theory fly someone with -10 sec into hisec in any ship. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
23
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Posted - 2012.03.04 18:50:00 -
[423] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:As CCP have chosen not to act on this obvious infringment of copyright. I will be contacting Honda Motor Company, Ltd. and see what they make of this misrepresentation of the Honda and Honda Accord brand. In particular it's connection to a Spaceship Political Candidate who is running under the banner of the Honda Accord brand.
Enjoy your lawsuit. I grew up in the west and I used it in this context... hon-+daGÇé GÇé[hon-duh] noun an eye at one end of a lariat through which the other end is passed to form a lasso, noose, etc. Issler
I'm sorry this poor way of trying to lie about your clear copyright infringment of the Honda Motor Company, Ltds. brand and trademark is just not acceptable.
You really expect me to believe you came to using the name "Honda Accord" for an Industrial alliance who build (space) vehicles by chance of combining two words that have no meaning or connection unless applied in the same context as the Automobile manufacturer and one of their most successful car lines.
hon-+daGÇé GÇé[hon-duh] noun an eye at one end of a lariat through which the other end is passed to form a lasso, noose, etc.
ac-+cord/+Ö-êk+¦rd/ Verb: Give or grant someone (power, status, or recognition): "the powers accorded to the head of state".
Makes perfect sense in that context. Try and wormtongue your way out of it but I'm sure the Judge will not be as sympathetic as CCP are.
Someone who is so willing to forfeit Copyright Law CANNOT BE TRUSTED to follow a non-disclosure agreement. |
Refr King
Aclan Trade Federation The Honda Accord
0
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Posted - 2012.03.04 19:16:00 -
[424] - Quote
Agreed on your points Issler.
To the Above Comment
-º106A. Rights of certain authors to attribution and integrity Exceptions.
(1) The modification of a work of visual art which is a result of the passage of time or the inherent nature of the materials is not a distortion, mutilation, or other modification described in subsection (a)(3)(A). (2) The modification of a work of visual art which is the result of conservation, or of the public presentation, including lighting and placement, of the work is not a destruction, distortion, mutilation, or other modification described in subsection (a)(3) unless the modification is caused by gross negligence. (3) The rights described in paragraphs (1) and (2) of subsection (a) shall not apply to any reproduction, depiction, portrayal, or other use of a work in, upon, or in any connection with any item described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of the definition of "work of visual art" in section 101 [17 USC 101], and any such reproduction, depiction, portrayal, or other use of a work is not a destruction, distortion, mutilation, or other modification described in paragraph (3) of subsection (a). |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
23
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Posted - 2012.03.04 19:28:00 -
[425] - Quote
Refr King wrote:Agreed on your points Issler.
To the Above Comment
-º106A. Rights of certain authors to attribution and integrity Exceptions.
(1) The modification of a work of visual art which is a result of the passage of time or the inherent nature of the materials is not a distortion, mutilation, or other modification described in subsection (a)(3)(A). (2) The modification of a work of visual art which is the result of conservation, or of the public presentation, including lighting and placement, of the work is not a destruction, distortion, mutilation, or other modification described in subsection (a)(3) unless the modification is caused by gross negligence. (3) The rights described in paragraphs (1) and (2) of subsection (a) shall not apply to any reproduction, depiction, portrayal, or other use of a work in, upon, or in any connection with any item described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of the definition of "work of visual art" in section 101 [17 USC 101], and any such reproduction, depiction, portrayal, or other use of a work is not a destruction, distortion, mutilation, or other modification described in paragraph (3) of subsection (a).
Did you even read what you are quoting?
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Refr King
Aclan Trade Federation The Honda Accord
0
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Posted - 2012.03.04 19:54:00 -
[426] - Quote
Dez Affinity wrote:Refr King wrote:Agreed on your points Issler.
To the Above Comment
-º106A. Rights of certain authors to attribution and integrity Exceptions.
(1) The modification of a work of visual art which is a result of the passage of time or the inherent nature of the materials is not a distortion, mutilation, or other modification described in subsection (a)(3)(A). (2) The modification of a work of visual art which is the result of conservation, or of the public presentation, including lighting and placement, of the work is not a destruction, distortion, mutilation, or other modification described in subsection (a)(3) unless the modification is caused by gross negligence. (3) The rights described in paragraphs (1) and (2) of subsection (a) shall not apply to any reproduction, depiction, portrayal, or other use of a work in, upon, or in any connection with any item described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of the definition of "work of visual art" in section 101 [17 USC 101], and any such reproduction, depiction, portrayal, or other use of a work is not a destruction, distortion, mutilation, or other modification described in paragraph (3) of subsection (a). Did you even read what you are quoting?
Yes and this falls under the parody exception so long as the Rights holder is not being harmed in anyway and there are no claims that they are representative of the products or services in question. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
213
|
Posted - 2012.03.04 20:01:00 -
[427] - Quote
This exciting game of "Troll or Sperg?" has been brought to you by Honda. The excitement continues after these messages. |
Minta Contha
Emergent Entity KONZERN
44
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Posted - 2012.03.04 22:06:00 -
[428] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Ka P'lah wrote: Future of the game we like? Nooo, don't wanna talk about that! I wanna harp on someone's post signature format! ...I guess that sort of thing is easier... The future of the game that you envision isn't worth discussing. Mining mini-games and space barbies? No thanks.
Well I guess if the Goons are getting as antsy as they are then it's a sign that Issler's support is snowballing. My cooking is like my lovemaking - fast, greasy, and unsatisfying. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1763
|
Posted - 2012.03.04 22:14:00 -
[429] - Quote
Minta Contha wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Ka P'lah wrote: Future of the game we like? Nooo, don't wanna talk about that! I wanna harp on someone's post signature format! ...I guess that sort of thing is easier... The future of the game that you envision isn't worth discussing. Mining mini-games and space barbies? No thanks. Well I guess if the Goons are getting as antsy as they are then it's a sign that Issler's support is snowballing.
Her using a bunch of sock puppets is hardly proof of her support snowballing. In her defense, though, it's good that her alts are voting for her as it would be really embarrassing if they voted for a real candidate. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Rayke Galastacia
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
3
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Posted - 2012.03.04 23:25:00 -
[430] - Quote
Issler Dainze for CSM 7! She has to be the right candidate if the Goons can't stop talking crap about her! |
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Minta Contha
Emergent Entity KONZERN
44
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Posted - 2012.03.04 23:46:00 -
[431] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Minta Contha wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Ka P'lah wrote: Future of the game we like? Nooo, don't wanna talk about that! I wanna harp on someone's post signature format! ...I guess that sort of thing is easier... The future of the game that you envision isn't worth discussing. Mining mini-games and space barbies? No thanks. Well I guess if the Goons are getting as antsy as they are then it's a sign that Issler's support is snowballing. Her using a bunch of sock puppets is hardly proof of her support snowballing. In her defense, though, it's good that her alts are voting for her as it would be really embarrassing if they voted for a real candidate.
Next time you see me in game, Harlot, we can have a voice chat to prove I'm no alt. That is if you actually ever play the game, rather than forcing us to look at your sandpaper face on the forum. My cooking is like my lovemaking - fast, greasy, and unsatisfying. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
246
|
Posted - 2012.03.05 00:13:00 -
[432] - Quote
Rayke Galastacia wrote:Relax Dez, I spoke with my physics professor, Professor Honda, when I saw your post. He gave us the green light. He and we now have an accord in the usage of his last name.
Arkady, the 'bullets in brain pans' idea won't work in most stations due to the security protocols in most stations that won't allow you out of your quarters while armed. This is especially true in low-sec stations where station owners don't want patrons to outmatch security, so that a semblance of order can be maintained. Due to this fact, a breed of mercenary assassin evolved to fill this niche, with bio-mechanical upgrades so they can kill with hand-to-hand combat and improvised weapons. I wouldn't mind seeing that implemented. Keep people on their toes. Read The Empyrean Age.
PvP bar-brawls (Your corp. vs. war-targets for example.): Make it happen, CCP!
In irae, veritas. |
Snowulf Romanov
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
0
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Posted - 2012.03.05 02:52:00 -
[433] - Quote
Minta Contha wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Minta Contha wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Ka P'lah wrote: Future of the game we like? Nooo, don't wanna talk about that! I wanna harp on someone's post signature format! ...I guess that sort of thing is easier... The future of the game that you envision isn't worth discussing. Mining mini-games and space barbies? No thanks. Well I guess if the Goons are getting as antsy as they are then it's a sign that Issler's support is snowballing. Her using a bunch of sock puppets is hardly proof of her support snowballing. In her defense, though, it's good that her alts are voting for her as it would be really embarrassing if they voted for a real candidate. Next time you see me in game, Harlot, we can have a voice chat to prove I'm no alt. That is if you actually ever play the game, rather than forcing us to look at your sandpaper face on the forum.
That face literally made me do a double take.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1763
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Posted - 2012.03.05 02:53:00 -
[434] - Quote
Minta Contha wrote:That is if you actually ever play the game, rather than forcing us to look at your sandpaper face on the forum.
Issler, personal attacks are against the forum rules.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
247
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Posted - 2012.03.05 06:28:00 -
[435] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Minta Contha wrote:That is if you actually ever play the game, rather than forcing us to look at your sandpaper face on the forum. Issler, personal attacks are against the forum rules.
Yeah, so why do goonies get away with making them left, right, and centre?
You lot may be "speshul," but I'd had the impression that no-one is "special," if you see what I mean.
Also, there is no way you couldn't have put a lot of time into that awful little avatar, so do be more careful with rocks vis-a-vis glass houses, 'kay?
<3ulots, ur spacefriend 4ever, xoxoxoxoxo In irae, veritas. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1765
|
Posted - 2012.03.05 09:27:00 -
[436] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Yeah, so why do goonies get away with making them left, right, and centre?
We don't. We're just better posters.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
287
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Posted - 2012.03.05 10:43:00 -
[437] - Quote
Bless you all for responding to the Goon trolls in this thread.
Personally I couldn't be bothered trying to interpret their incoherent hoots and clicks so I just blocked them.
Vote Issler. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.03.05 10:46:00 -
[438] - Quote
what do you say issler?
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Hai Boiz wrote:People like to chit chat.
They do it at home. They do it at work. And they do it in eve-o. People have been chatting in this thread alone for months and months and 170 pages.
Some like to chat while flying in space. Some like to chat while spinning their ship. I'd like to sit across from someone in a station and chat. Why would a ship spinner want to deny me that little pleasure? Let me have a guest over for a nice quaffe and a little quality conversation.
XX As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...) Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that.
wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1045
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Posted - 2012.03.05 20:36:00 -
[439] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:what do you say issler? Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Hai Boiz wrote:People like to chit chat.
They do it at home. They do it at work. And they do it in eve-o. People have been chatting in this thread alone for months and months and 170 pages.
Some like to chat while flying in space. Some like to chat while spinning their ship. I'd like to sit across from someone in a station and chat. Why would a ship spinner want to deny me that little pleasure? Let me have a guest over for a nice quaffe and a little quality conversation.
XX As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...) Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that.
Is there a question in there?
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
223
|
Posted - 2012.03.05 20:45:00 -
[440] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:With WiS (and Walking in Ships While They're in Stations), would I be able to undock with someone else in my ship? Like, have passengers that aren't exotic dancers or homeless people? As in, actual players? This has interesting gameplay implications, since I could then in theory fly someone with -10 sec into hisec in any ship.
I never did get an answer to this. I think it's a fair question. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1045
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Posted - 2012.03.05 21:19:00 -
[441] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:With WiS (and Walking in Ships While They're in Stations), would I be able to undock with someone else in my ship? Like, have passengers that aren't exotic dancers or homeless people? As in, actual players? This has interesting gameplay implications, since I could then in theory fly someone with -10 sec into hisec in any ship. I never did get an answer to this. I think it's a fair question.
I think passengers in ships is an interesting idea.
Issler |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
224
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Posted - 2012.03.05 21:46:00 -
[442] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:With WiS (and Walking in Ships While They're in Stations), would I be able to undock with someone else in my ship? Like, have passengers that aren't exotic dancers or homeless people? As in, actual players? This has interesting gameplay implications, since I could then in theory fly someone with -10 sec into hisec in any ship. I never did get an answer to this. I think it's a fair question. I think passengers in ships is an interesting idea. Issler
So someone tries to take you seriously and engage you as a candidate on this issue, and this is all you have to offer? This is what you'll say to CCP when you're on the CSM and they say, "Hey, we think it might be cool if you could smuggle players around as passengers in ships, what do you think?" Because, as you know, that's what your role will be, and as the primary (and probably only) advocate of WiS, you're the one the CSM would likely turn to for this issue. And what will you give them? That you think it's an interesting idea?
Personally, I don't really care about walking in stations or passengers in ships or riverini's panty dropper button, but I do think that if something is proposed that would alter gameplay significantly (like bypassing security/standings would), a CSM member should be able to formulate an opinion on it or at least run through what some of the implications might be. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
287
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Posted - 2012.03.06 00:01:00 -
[443] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote: Personally, I don't really care about walking in stations or passengers in ships or riverini's panty dropper button, but I do think that if something is proposed that would alter gameplay significantly (like bypassing security/standings would), a CSM member should be able to formulate an opinion on it or at least run through what some of the implications might be.
Imagine the fun to be had in tricking someone you don't like to jump on as a passenger, taking an unexpected detour to a low sec system, ejecting them at a remote location, and then watching their face as your corp mates decloak and make them go pop.
Or imagine the kill mail fun to be had when you destroy a frigate only to discover that it was carrying a full load of monocle wearing capsuleers all with expensive implants.
If CCP went down this path, the would probably need to do it in conjunction with other features with a 'shady deals/black market' focus to give players a compelling reason to not fly their own ship, but to fly undercover in someone elses. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.03.06 01:37:00 -
[444] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:what do you say issler? Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Hai Boiz wrote:People like to chit chat.
They do it at home. They do it at work. And they do it in eve-o. People have been chatting in this thread alone for months and months and 170 pages.
Some like to chat while flying in space. Some like to chat while spinning their ship. I'd like to sit across from someone in a station and chat. Why would a ship spinner want to deny me that little pleasure? Let me have a guest over for a nice quaffe and a little quality conversation.
XX As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...) Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that. Is there a question in there? Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
not really a question, just hope you read what your constituents have in mind. and are you really going to condone this kind of crap and bring this crap to the devs if elected. wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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None ofthe Above
105
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Posted - 2012.03.06 01:50:00 -
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Refr King wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:Refr King wrote:Agreed on your points Issler.
To the Above Comment
-º106A. Rights of certain authors to attribution and integrity Exceptions.
(1) The modification of a work of visual art which is a result of the passage of time or the inherent nature of the materials is not a distortion, mutilation, or other modification described in subsection (a)(3)(A). (2) The modification of a work of visual art which is the result of conservation, or of the public presentation, including lighting and placement, of the work is not a destruction, distortion, mutilation, or other modification described in subsection (a)(3) unless the modification is caused by gross negligence. (3) The rights described in paragraphs (1) and (2) of subsection (a) shall not apply to any reproduction, depiction, portrayal, or other use of a work in, upon, or in any connection with any item described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of the definition of "work of visual art" in section 101 [17 USC 101], and any such reproduction, depiction, portrayal, or other use of a work is not a destruction, distortion, mutilation, or other modification described in paragraph (3) of subsection (a). Did you even read what you are quoting? Yes and this falls under the parody exception so long as the Rights holder is not being harmed in anyway and there are no claims that they are representative of the products or services in question.
FYI - Not that I am taking sides or anything, but arguing this under copyright law is off the mark. What you want is trademark law, particularly trademark dilution.
I am not a lawyer, but I have been accused of being a satirist, to the point of getting cease and desist letters on the subject. So I guess that makes me something of an expert.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.03.06 01:51:00 -
[446] - Quote
"I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online..." there you go indahamar farwahwhiney http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekyXMQ7U8Y
christ that dude wants eve online to go full on korean style sandbox. and i am really afraid of these new changes because i am so narrow-minded
wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
7
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Posted - 2012.03.06 03:34:00 -
[447] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
[Issler not taking the bait of stale old fear tactics (i.e.: They wanna make EVE into some kind of pathetic spacepantsglitterdisco! AAAA! AAAA!) ]
...Is there a question in there?
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
not really a question, just hope you read what your constituents have in mind. and are you really going to condone this kind of crap and bring this crap to the devs if elected.
Oh come on. Thinking it's a good idea to keep a very close eye on how CCP develops EVE to try and influence them to do WiS / avatar-based gameplay stuff right and not repeat the disaster of incarna while keeping the proper balance of their resources allocated towards FiS stuff first but not ignoring the idea of WiS done right = wanting the spacedisco thing you're trying to scare people with?
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Minta Contha
Emergent Entity KONZERN
44
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Posted - 2012.03.06 14:07:00 -
[448] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:With WiS (and Walking in Ships While They're in Stations), would I be able to undock with someone else in my ship? Like, have passengers that aren't exotic dancers or homeless people? As in, actual players? This has interesting gameplay implications, since I could then in theory fly someone with -10 sec into hisec in any ship. I never did get an answer to this. I think it's a fair question. I think passengers in ships is an interesting idea. Issler So someone tries to take you seriously and engage you as a candidate on this issue, and this is all you have to offer? This is what you'll say to CCP when you're on the CSM and they say, "Hey, we think it might be cool if you could smuggle players around as passengers in ships, what do you think?" Because, as you know, that's what your role will be, and as the primary (and probably only) advocate of WiS, you're the one the CSM would likely turn to for this issue. And what will you give them? That you think it's an interesting idea? Personally, I don't really care about walking in stations or passengers in ships or riverini's panty dropper button, but I do think that if something is proposed that would alter gameplay significantly (like bypassing security/standings would), a CSM member should be able to formulate an opinion on it or at least run through what some of the implications might be.
Would you rather that Issler gave you a glib detailed paragraph of her thoughts on this just off the top of her head, without consulting other players, so that when she describes something you disagree with you can scream, "that would never work!" and make her look like she doesn't think things through? It's far more honest of her to admit that it's an interesting idea but she has not yet thought out how it should be implemented just yet. It's not the job of all CSM members to have an exact blueprint in their heads of how every single minute aspect of Eve and all the ideas people come up with should be made to work. Passengers in ships is a very complex issue.
My cooking is like my lovemaking - fast, greasy, and unsatisfying. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
225
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Posted - 2012.03.06 14:55:00 -
[449] - Quote
Minta Contha wrote: Would you rather that Issler gave you a glib detailed paragraph of her thoughts on this just off the top of her head, without consulting other players, so that when she describes something you disagree with you can scream, "that would never work!" and make her look like she doesn't think things through? It's far more honest of her to admit that it's an interesting idea but she has not yet thought out how it should be implemented just yet. It's not the job of all CSM members to have an exact blueprint in their heads of how every single minute aspect of Eve and all the ideas people come up with should be made to work. Passengers in ships is a very complex issue.
Am I talking to Issler now? Can you let me talk to Issler? Is this Peggy? Vanessa? What happened in the green kitchen?
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1050
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:25:00 -
[450] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:With WiS (and Walking in Ships While They're in Stations), would I be able to undock with someone else in my ship? Like, have passengers that aren't exotic dancers or homeless people? As in, actual players? This has interesting gameplay implications, since I could then in theory fly someone with -10 sec into hisec in any ship. I never did get an answer to this. I think it's a fair question. I think passengers in ships is an interesting idea. Issler So someone tries to take you seriously and engage you as a candidate on this issue, and this is all you have to offer? This is what you'll say to CCP when you're on the CSM and they say, "Hey, we think it might be cool if you could smuggle players around as passengers in ships, what do you think?" Because, as you know, that's what your role will be, and as the primary (and probably only) advocate of WiS, you're the one the CSM would likely turn to for this issue. And what will you give them? That you think it's an interesting idea? Personally, I don't really care about walking in stations or passengers in ships or riverini's panty dropper button, but I do think that if something is proposed that would alter gameplay significantly (like bypassing security/standings would), a CSM member should be able to formulate an opinion on it or at least run through what some of the implications might be.
I have stated repeatedly is is not my role as a member of the CSM to be the "good idea" fairy. I am looking to work with the player base to filter and refine what to bring to CCP. I like the idea that you suggested and would definitely include it and invite as well in the conversation related to the future of ambulation. I'm sorry I didn't provide an answer down to the color of the doors and the shape of the portals. I gave you a general answer because I liked your idea and I didn't think this is the time or place, or even the correct audience to "design" this feature.
If you want a feature design discussion I'd suggest the WiS thread I started referenced recently in the dev blog about Team Avatar.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
225
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:36:00 -
[451] - Quote
Actually this was all just meant to lead to a punch line along the lines of "an in-game way for me to give someone a ride on my rocket" but I'm too bored to continue with this farce. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1050
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Posted - 2012.03.06 21:30:00 -
[452] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Actually this was all just meant to lead to a punch line along the lines of "an in-game way for me to give someone a ride on my rocket" but I'm too bored to continue with this farce.
I will try and be more interesting in the future.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
(keep working on that rocket ride.... I'm sure you will find someone in Eve that would take you up on that! ) |
Aedh Phelan
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:00:00 -
[453] - Quote
She's my CEO. So, yes, I should have a high opinion of her. Otherwise, I should seek a beter CEO. She's never demanded we do anything we didn't have time or desire to do. Actually, she's never made a demand that was cogent to our membership except perhaps the fact that we exercise restraint and respect in our dealings with new players. She doesn't expect us to want what she wants. She only asks for our opinions and preferences, which she tries very hard to make a part of the fabric of Tada-O if it is not damaging to the corporation.
I support her candidacy for CSM7. I expect she will bring a similar model of communication in her representation of Empire needs to CSM7. More importantly, There absolutely needs to be members of the CSM that support the needs of the Empire player base beyond the ancilliary benefits generated by the nullsec power bloc agenda.
This affirmation, in no way suggests that I discount positive accomplishments made by members of CSM6, however, the significant weighting of the current membership toward the lowest security occupation combined with the highly aggressive nature of the power bloc forum trolls creates an environment in which no reasonable person should be expected to trust the CSM membership to properly represent all facets of the sandbox objectively.
Issler Dainze for CSM7. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1767
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:04:00 -
[454] - Quote
Aedh Phelan wrote:This affirmation, in no way suggests that I discount positive accomplishments made by members of CSM6, however, the significant weighting of the current membership toward the lowest security occupation combined with the highly aggressive nature of the power bloc forum trolls creates an environment in which no reasonable person should be expected to trust the CSM membership to properly represent all facets of the sandbox objectively.
Yet CSM6 managed to represent all facets of the sandbox objectively without demanding things (like neglecting Eve gameplay for more WiS nonsense) that would be harmful to the future of the game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Aedh Phelan
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:29:00 -
[455] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Aedh Phelan wrote:This affirmation, in no way suggests that I discount positive accomplishments made by members of CSM6, however, the significant weighting of the current membership toward the lowest security occupation combined with the highly aggressive nature of the power bloc forum trolls creates an environment in which no reasonable person should be expected to trust the CSM membership to properly represent all facets of the sandbox objectively. Yet CSM6 managed to represent all facets of the sandbox objectively without demanding things (like neglecting Eve gameplay for more WiS nonsense) that would be harmful to the future of the game.
IYHO and note: "highly aggressive nature of the power bloc forum trolls" |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1770
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:31:00 -
[456] - Quote
Aedh Phelan wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Aedh Phelan wrote:This affirmation, in no way suggests that I discount positive accomplishments made by members of CSM6, however, the significant weighting of the current membership toward the lowest security occupation combined with the highly aggressive nature of the power bloc forum trolls creates an environment in which no reasonable person should be expected to trust the CSM membership to properly represent all facets of the sandbox objectively. Yet CSM6 managed to represent all facets of the sandbox objectively without demanding things (like neglecting Eve gameplay for more WiS nonsense) that would be harmful to the future of the game. IYHO and note: "highly aggressive nature of the power bloc forum trolls"
Do you have any evidence of CSM6 doing something that was harmful to any group of people in Eve? I keep hearing how CSM6 was totally focused on nullsec issues and did horrible things to highsec dwellers but I have yet to see a single example of this. By watching what happened over the course of the year and reading the CSM minutes all I can see is a CSM that was good for all Eve players.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:48:00 -
[457] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Aedh Phelan wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Aedh Phelan wrote:This affirmation, in no way suggests that I discount positive accomplishments made by members of CSM6, however, the significant weighting of the current membership toward the lowest security occupation combined with the highly aggressive nature of the power bloc forum trolls creates an environment in which no reasonable person should be expected to trust the CSM membership to properly represent all facets of the sandbox objectively. Yet CSM6 managed to represent all facets of the sandbox objectively without demanding things (like neglecting Eve gameplay for more WiS nonsense) that would be harmful to the future of the game. IYHO and note: "highly aggressive nature of the power bloc forum trolls" Do you have any evidence of CSM6 doing something that was harmful to any group of people in Eve? I keep hearing how CSM6 was totally focused on nullsec issues and did horrible things to highsec dwellers but I have yet to see a single example of this. By watching what happened over the course of the year and reading the CSM minutes all I can see is a CSM that was good for all Eve players.
"Neglet", encompasses a huge spectrum of harmfull failings in my book. It is not an unknown view of who or what certain individuals represent.
The Mittani wrote:Politics is about power and conflict. Some lie about it. I don't have to
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Every CSM represents their own constituents. Some have delusions about 'representing everyone'. I do not. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1772
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Posted - 2012.03.07 06:02:00 -
[458] - Quote
So you still can't come up with one example of how anybody playing Eve was hurt by CSM6?
The truth is, Issler, that everybody benefited from CSM6's work whether they voted for any of them or not. You're mad that they helped CCP see how much all the WiS nonsense was hurting the game and your entire candidacy is based on that but without the CSM's help during the Summer of Rage Eve would be a wasteland right now. No amount of sock puppets is going to change that.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.03.07 06:11:00 -
[459] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:So you still can't come up with one example of how anybody playing Eve was hurt by CSM6?
The truth is, Issler, that everybody benefited from CSM6's work whether they voted for any of them or not. You're mad that they helped CCP see how much all the WiS nonsense was hurting the game and your entire candidacy is based on that but without the CSM's help during the Summer of Rage Eve would be a wasteland right now. No amount of sock puppets is going to change that.
Which came first the chicken or the egg?
According to what the Mittani would like to have you think; the redirection of CCP due to Incarna had nothing to do in terms of player demonstrations or other more commercial influences like cancelled subs, even though CCP have attributed their U-turn on incarna to player interest. Or that the CSM used it for argument in the emergency summit:
CSM minutes wrote:The second leg of the session involved showing the CSM how Incarna was received in terms of subscriber numbers and trends as well as informing them of other business and analytics metrics.
Seems the point had been made even before the emergency summit as a result.
Logically you should be aware the CSM would not exist without revenue of course. And I doubt it's lost to many as to the relevance of income to a commerical company. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
186
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Posted - 2012.03.07 06:20:00 -
[460] - Quote
yet issler is openly against the slow-burn state of wis development. she wants to squander more resources on wis, that is not acceptable to many players. wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1054
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Posted - 2012.03.07 08:26:00 -
[461] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:yet issler is openly against the slow-burn state of wis development. she wants to squander more resources on wis, that is not acceptable to many players.
Your incorrect interpretation of my position.
I believe ambulation has the potential to grow Eve more than any other element in Eve. If you want to know what I really think about ambulation and find the largest thread in the new forums, sit down and read the nearly 200 pages and you will find many posts on where I think ambulation fits in the future of Eve, while you are reading that notice how many other players agree with me.
So thanks for the random goon snipe/bump.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
186
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Posted - 2012.03.07 12:35:00 -
[462] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:yet issler is openly against the slow-burn state of wis development. she wants to squander more resources on wis, that is not acceptable to many players. Your incorrect interpretation of my position. I believe ambulation has the potential to grow Eve more than any other element in Eve. If you want to know what I really think about ambulation and find the largest thread in the new forums, sit down and read the nearly 200 pages and you will find many posts on where I think ambulation fits in the future of Eve, while you are reading that notice how many other players agree with me. So thanks for the random goon snipe/bump. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
your reply misses the point completely. why are you repeating to me that you are the biggest wis supporter out there. in that 170 page thread, there are about as many against wis as there are for wis. also take a look at this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=35996&p=14 this thread is less biased as the the subject is not "hey if you love wis come post here." that thread reflects more on what players generally want right now to make their eve gaming more enjoyable. yes you see some support for wis but for many other players wis is not even mentioned.
-wis is now on slow-burn: do you agree with this? yes or no
-team avatar is comprised of 5 dev staff members: you feel that more is needed? yes or no
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpcSGcqHtmc this is the official word from the CCP t0rfi the Art Director of Eve Online, listen to it, it outlines the direction of EVE as of now. if elected will you be working to shift full prioritization away from FIS? yes or no
-in the big 170 page thread you responded to the first announcement of Team Avatar with disappointment. and stated that it is your wish to have something out sooner rather than later, something like a corp meeting room, player ran establishments, even though it does not necessarily have meaning gameplay? yes or no
also i wonder why you seem to not be all "out and proud" with wis, not as you are with mining. wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
860
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:17:00 -
[463] - Quote
I have cast a vote for Issler Dainze . I will cast another every time this thread falls to page two.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Aquila Draco
141
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:20:00 -
[464] - Quote
Voted for you! :) |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:23:00 -
[465] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:I have cast a vote for Issler Dainze . I will cast another every time this thread falls to page two. Mr Epeen
I'm happy to keep bumping this thread for you, Mystery Peen. Everyone needs to know that a vote for Issler is a vote for Player Out Of Pod.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
861
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:35:00 -
[466] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I'm happy to keep bumping this thread ...
Keep fighting the good fight!
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1774
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:43:00 -
[467] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:sit down and read the nearly 200 pages and you will find many posts on where I think ambulation fits in the future of Eve, while you are reading that notice how many other players agree with me.
So thanks for the random goon snipe/bump.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
You mean the thread where you insult a CCP developer who then posts that she can't believe people would be that hateful?
You've gone too far when you are spewing hate at the people working hard to make the game better for everybody. If you're elected to the CSM how are you planning on working with other CCP employees? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:49:00 -
[468] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:sit down and read the nearly 200 pages and you will find many posts on where I think ambulation fits in the future of Eve, while you are reading that notice how many other players agree with me.
So thanks for the random goon snipe/bump.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate You mean the thread where you insult a CCP developer who then posts that she can't believe people would be that hateful? You've gone too far when you are spewing hate at the people working hard to make the game better for everybody. If you're elected to the CSM how are you planning on working with other CCP employees?
Whoa. I was avoiding that thread because I thought it'd be full of Playing Out Of Pod lovers but now I see it delivers on drama. Besides, nobody should be picking on the CCP staff who actually make things. They fight for the players!
Not cool, Issler, not cool.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:50:00 -
[469] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:You mean the thread where you insult a CCP developer who then posts that she can't believe people would be that hateful? You've gone too far when you are spewing hate at the people working hard to make the game better for everybody. If you're elected to the CSM how are you planning on working with other CCP employees?
"CCP IS STUPID FOR NOT DOING THINGS THE WAY I WOULD HAVE"
That's surely a voice that's going to be helpful on the CSM! |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
861
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:59:00 -
[470] - Quote
Wow! Concerted goon attack.
Getting nervous, little bees?
A vote for Issler is a vote for all of EVE.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
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Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2012.03.07 18:07:00 -
[471] - Quote
WoW... Only all goons are against you. XD
well... i gave you my vote. and now when i see that all goons that are spiting or you, i am so happier with my decision.
keep up the good work!!! |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.03.07 18:15:00 -
[472] - Quote
Please don't throw me into the briar patch. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1058
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:42:00 -
[473] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Please don't throw me into the briar patch.
I would never do that!
Issler |
Khaan M'noch
Fire of Eternity
0
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:44:00 -
[474] - Quote
You got my bear votes - good luck in the election! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1058
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:55:00 -
[475] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:yet issler is openly against the slow-burn state of wis development. she wants to squander more resources on wis, that is not acceptable to many players. Your incorrect interpretation of my position. I believe ambulation has the potential to grow Eve more than any other element in Eve. If you want to know what I really think about ambulation and find the largest thread in the new forums, sit down and read the nearly 200 pages and you will find many posts on where I think ambulation fits in the future of Eve, while you are reading that notice how many other players agree with me. So thanks for the random goon snipe/bump. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate your reply misses the point completely. why are you repeating to me that you are the biggest wis supporter out there. in that 170 page thread, there are about as many against wis as there are for wis. also take a look at this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=35996&p=14 this thread is less biased as the the subject is not "hey if you love wis come post here." that thread reflects more on what players generally want right now to make their eve gaming more enjoyable. yes you see some support for wis but for many other players wis is not even mentioned. -wis is now on slow-burn: do you agree with this? yes or no -team avatar is comprised of 5 dev staff members: you feel that more is needed? yes or no - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpcSGcqHtmcthis is the official word from the CCP t0rfi the Art Director of Eve Online, listen to it, it outlines the direction of EVE as of now. if elected will you be working to shift full prioritization away from FIS? yes or no -in the big 170 page thread you responded to the first announcement of Team Avatar with disappointment. and stated that it is your wish to have something out sooner rather than later, something like a corp meeting room, player ran establishments, even though it does not necessarily have meaning gameplay? yes or no also i wonder why you seem to not be all "out and proud" with wis, not as you are with mining.
I am one of many supporters of ambulation.
I support enough attention on ambulation to have some sort of multi avatar per instance experience by the summer of 2013. I think that is more than slow burn.
The size of team avatar given the are also responsible for supporting what we have already is to small to get to the goal I just stated. So yes, the announcement for me was disappointing.
Mining is more important to me right now than ambulation and I think we can get more traction with CCP for mining improvements. To say I'm not talking "out and proud" about ambulation is beyond wrong. I talk about it as much as anyone in Eve.
I would like to see smaller incremental deliveries ambulation if it means we see something sooner rather than later. Many folks seem to agree.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate (the only one that supports giving Team Avatar more resources!)
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1058
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Posted - 2012.03.07 20:01:00 -
[476] - Quote
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1058
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Posted - 2012.03.07 20:02:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:sit down and read the nearly 200 pages and you will find many posts on where I think ambulation fits in the future of Eve, while you are reading that notice how many other players agree with me.
So thanks for the random goon snipe/bump.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate .......Lot's more Laddy Marmot gibberish.........
I have great respect for the developers at CCP. If you actually paid any attention my issue is with what I view as a team with divided focus and starved for the necessary resources to succeed. This is an issue with management decisions, not the developers.
Did you ever finish counting the pro and con posts in the WiS thread? Did you tally by poster? Is it really true you posted 97.3% of the anti-WiS theads and that every one of your posts contained a reference to "pants" or "space barbies"?
You can make any ridiculous claims you want, but no one actually believes you. But the thread bumps are nice, keep it up.
Issler Dainze A Fan of the Developers of Eve! |
Carl Thunderthise
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.03.07 20:44:00 -
[478] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Aedh Phelan wrote:This affirmation, in no way suggests that I discount positive accomplishments made by members of CSM6, however, the significant weighting of the current membership toward the lowest security occupation combined with the highly aggressive nature of the power bloc forum trolls creates an environment in which no reasonable person should be expected to trust the CSM membership to properly represent all facets of the sandbox objectively. Yet CSM6 managed to represent all facets of the sandbox objectively without demanding things (like neglecting Eve gameplay for more WiS nonsense) that would be harmful to the future of the game.
CSM 6 pushed hardest for attention to nullsec. That is an undeniable fact and Mittens is proudly trumpeting it right now. Your opinion that WiS is nonsense is exactly that - your opinion. Many other people, who Mittens again has openly said he's not interested in representing, don't feel so harshly about it. Maybe it's not a priroity in the overall scheme of things, but that doesn't mean it should be tossed in the trash. You Goons should not be proud of someone who openly says he doesn't want to represent a huge percentage of the playerbase. My vote goes to Issler. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1779
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Posted - 2012.03.07 22:15:00 -
[479] - Quote
Carl Thunderthise wrote:CSM 6 pushed hardest for attention to nullsec. That is an undeniable fact and Mittens is proudly trumpeting it right now. Your opinion that WiS is nonsense is exactly that - your opinion. Many other people, who Mittens again has openly said he's not interested in representing, don't feel so harshly about it. Maybe it's not a priroity in the overall scheme of things, but that doesn't mean it should be tossed in the trash. You Goons should not be proud of someone who openly says he doesn't want to represent a huge percentage of the playerbase. My vote goes to Issler.
Mittens pushed for nullsec attention because nullsec needed the most attention. What more could highsec people possibly want after getting level 4 missions buffed and the massive isk faucet of incursions?
I keep hearing that somehow Mittens and the rest of CSM6 actually did things to hurt highsec players but I can't seem to get a single example of this.
As for Issler, if you want to vote for a person who is now openly attacking CCP devs who are actually making the game better for everybody that is your right. Just keep in mind how effective is she going to be working with other developers if they don't give in to her pro-WiS demands? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
886
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Posted - 2012.03.07 22:22:00 -
[480] - Quote
+1 vote for Issler Dainze. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1062
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:45:00 -
[481] - Quote
Thanks everyone for the high level of support!
This could be an election that is full of surprises if your level of support so far continues! Spread the word!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:22:00 -
[482] - Quote
+2 votes for Issler
I would like to see you take a stronger stand on nerfing drone alloys but i want a candidate to prod ccp on WiS and it feels like you're the only one. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:32:00 -
[483] - Quote
+4 votes for Issler.
If your getting Goon attacks you must be doing it right :) |
Josef Huffenpuff
H A V O C
6
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:38:00 -
[484] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:+4 votes for Issler.
If your getting Goon attacks you must be doing it right :)
Seriously, ???
Thats your ONLY reason ? You do realise that there are actually some GOOD candidates out there who aren't goons.
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PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo
172
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:52:00 -
[485] - Quote
Read the complete Platform here: http://www.eve-online-dark-taboo.com/vote/
If you want your vote to count just once in EVE vote for PsychoBitch.
Sick of CCP devs and their hair-brained, half-baked, blue-balled ideas?
Sick of self-important fat puds and frail half-elves on the CSM?
Sick of things in eve that should have been fixed A G E S ago not being fixed
and new errors being introduced daily?
Make your one vote count finally, vote for PsychoBitch!
If you are voting for someone who has been in the CSM before - you have wasted your vote on F A I L
Don't be a failure, be a hero. Vote for PsychoBitch now!
Campaign Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnOZAEbk7r0
If you don't drink whiskey - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE If you don't like having sex with women - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE If you don't live life on your own terms - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE
THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW IN LIFE - ANYTHING WRITTEN BELOW IGNORE |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:01:00 -
[486] - Quote
Josef Huffenpuff wrote:Frying Doom wrote:+4 votes for Issler.
If your getting Goon attacks you must be doing it right :) Seriously, ??? Thats your ONLY reason ? You do realise that there are actually some GOOD candidates out there who aren't goons.
Perfectly aware of all the candidates and after 3 and a half years in EVE, I believe Issler is not only a good candidate but the best of the current crop. He has stood by his beliefs year in and year out not just changing to the whim of the moment. TBH quite a few of the candidates I have never heard of. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
884
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:10:00 -
[487] - Quote
Looks like you are going to stay on page one for a while.
Second acct voted for Issler.
Six more to go :)
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Josef Huffenpuff
H A V O C
6
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:17:00 -
[488] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: He has stood by his beliefs
You do realise that Issler is FEMALE. Do you have any idea who you just voted for ?
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
186
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:17:00 -
[489] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Looks like you are going to stay on page one for a while. Second acct voted for Issler. Six more to go :) Mr Epeen just vote all of it now, stop teasing issler lol you lispers sure like to lollygaggle wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:25:00 -
[490] - Quote
Josef Huffenpuff wrote:Frying Doom wrote: He has stood by his beliefs You do realise that Issler is FEMALE. Do you have any idea who you just voted for ?
Well personally I couldn't give a rats on Issler's sex, Only the things this candidate stands for. Or do you think the candidates should have to state there sex, age, race maybe religion as well? If you care about a candidates sex your worrying about the wrong thing. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
884
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:30:00 -
[491] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Looks like you are going to stay on page one for a while. Second acct voted for Issler. Six more to go :) Mr Epeen just vote all of it now, stop teasing issler lol you lispers sure like to lollygaggle
Still trying to decide if I want to save one pity vote for the queen bee.
I'll get back to you on that because you are really important.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Lo Res
Southern Cross Incorporated Flying Dangerous
7
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Posted - 2012.03.08 03:53:00 -
[492] - Quote
+2 votes for Issler.
I've known her since 2007. She gets my vote because she is enthusiastic and a good listener.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.08 04:37:00 -
[493] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
I am one of many supporters of ambulation.
I support enough attention on ambulation to have some sort of multi avatar per instance experience by the summer of 2013. I think that is more than slow burn.
The size of team avatar given the are also responsible for supporting what we have already is to small to get to the goal I just stated. So yes, the announcement for me was disappointing.
Mining is more important to me right now than ambulation and I think we can get more traction with CCP for mining improvements. To say I'm not talking "out and proud" about ambulation is beyond wrong. I talk about it as much as anyone in Eve.
I would like to see smaller incremental deliveries ambulation if it means we see something sooner rather than later. Many folks seem to agree.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate (the only one that supports giving Team Avatar more resources!)
so basically you will be working against the shift in momentum towards fis. do you realize that resources are finite, more on wis means just that much less devoted to fis? explain "multi avatar per instance" particular the instance. as far as i know nothing is instanced in eve online. there must be some drawbacks associated with the safety of an instance
below are 2 examples of your constituents, if elected how will you serve them in influencing ccp to devote resources to what they want?
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...)
Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that.
Adaris wrote: I would very much like if the short term focus for Incarna was on a three-fold approach: - Avatar expression (emote system) - Avatar customization (clothes, tattoos, hair styles, body elements etc) - Avatar socializing (facilitating more avatars being in the same location as one another)
Customization, for the most part is stand-alone. Expression is tied to socializing though, so the issue with the graphical demands of having multiple avatars in the same location needs to be addressed. If we can get a system whereby the facility to invite a set amount of avatars to the same location is possible, then much has been achieved for future iteration.
I would talk about what type of environments and activities should follow these three themes, but that should be considered more long term, especially with just one Dev Team assigned right now.
I am unsure if the current team has the technical expertise to address the issues of having multiple avatars occupy the same CQs though, but perhaps the expansion of expression through emotes (likely through the chat system) could follow alongside the continued work on avatar customization. wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Samroski
Games Inc. EVE Trade Consortium
45
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Posted - 2012.03.08 05:59:00 -
[494] - Quote
+1
Got a 73% match with your answers on Vote Match. This probably means that you're doomed and that we'll do down together :)
Best of luck!! |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
302
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Posted - 2012.03.08 07:50:00 -
[495] - Quote
Voted already. Eventually I voted the candidate I like and not the one that can win. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
asidburn Enaka
Alpha Arms and Manufacturing BROTHERHOOD OF DESTRUCTION
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 08:03:00 -
[496] - Quote
i just want to let everyone know about this scammer claming to be giving plex for votes dont be caught falling for this scam vote aganist darius III member of interstellar eXodus {IE-EX} they are scaming people pass the word on to everyone you can and vote aganist these undeserving jerks here is a copy of the chat log as proof of there unworthy actions!!!!!!!!
asidburn Enaka > what do i need to do Darius III > http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=480 go there Darius III > vote for me then paste the message you got after vote cast into this chat asidburn Enaka > your vote has been registered. We thank you for your participation. Darius III > Thanks man Darius III > that concludes our business Darius III > Fly safe asidburn Enaka > and what about the contract asidburn Enaka > i will have my alliance vote aganist you about 250 people asidburn Enaka > and then where will you be asidburn Enaka > send me the contract and i will have them vote for you asidburn Enaka > this is what we call a test of charecture Darius III > Have them vote against me Darius III > Sorry for the ssam Darius III > But I wouldnt sleep at night if I didnt do everything in my power to make syure that Goons dont ruin this CSM asidburn Enaka > your an idiot all your going to do is send more votes to the goons Darius III > not really Darius III > Goons will win chairman nbo matetr what, doesnt matter Darius III > nothing can stop them Darius III > and thats a real shame asidburn Enaka > well you just lost 243 votes asidburn Enaka > got 1 lost 243 Darius III > Didnt have them anyway Darius III > didnt lose anything Darius III > Just please dont make forum post about me, it would ruin my campaign asidburn Enaka > not to mentone att the isk spam bans you r about to get asidburn Enaka > too late asidburn Enaka > and i just copyed this conv asidburn Enaka > so i can post Darius III > You wouldnt dare do it Darius III > You too lazy anyway Darius III > I dont have a thing to worry about asidburn Enaka > haha i play eve 8 hrs a day and im retired all i have is time Darius III > no lazy bones like you would waste their time. LOL so much for your empty threats LOL
rember i dont care who you vote for just dont voter for them |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.03.08 12:52:00 -
[497] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Voted already. Eventually I voted the candidate I like and not the one that can win.
I do believe that is something to worry about. CSM6 was a joke and with the current voting levels I believe CSM 7 might be one as well. They really need to set it up like a normal election so you vote more in line with the area your involved in for example have a 0.0 candidate slot on the table and make the 0.0 ers fight for that. This games growth has declined this year and another 0.0 CSM will kill it some more. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
423
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Posted - 2012.03.08 12:59:00 -
[498] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. I do believe that is something to worry about. CSM6 was a joke and with the current voting levels I believe CSM 7 might be one as well. They really need to set it up like a normal election so you vote more in line with the area your involved in for example have a 0.0 candidate slot on the table and make the 0.0 ers fight for that. This games growth has declined this year and another 0.0 CSM will kill it some more. I wasn't aware that Two Step was a 0.0 resident, and iirc Meissa is definitely lowsec, not null.
CSM6 had alot of 0.0 reps, because CSM5 didn't have enough to keep them from telling CCP that nerfing 0.0 grunts ability to make isk would not make us fight more out there, and we didn't want any more nerfs to our ability to live on a personal level to happen.
But to say its 100% nullsec residents would be like saying CSM5 was 100% highsec residents.
Get your fact straight before predicting the end of the world. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:03:00 -
[499] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. I do believe that is something to worry about. CSM6 was a joke and with the current voting levels I believe CSM 7 might be one as well. They really need to set it up like a normal election so you vote more in line with the area your involved in for example have a 0.0 candidate slot on the table and make the 0.0 ers fight for that. This games growth has declined this year and another 0.0 CSM will kill it some more.
So 20% of the population should have 1/14th the representation. I love bitter publord math :)
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:08:00 -
[500] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. I do believe that is something to worry about. CSM6 was a joke and with the current voting levels I believe CSM 7 might be one as well. They really need to set it up like a normal election so you vote more in line with the area your involved in for example have a 0.0 candidate slot on the table and make the 0.0 ers fight for that. This games growth has declined this year and another 0.0 CSM will kill it some more. I wasn't aware that Two Step was a 0.0 resident, and iirc Meissa is definitely lowsec, not null. CSM6 had alot of 0.0 reps, because CSM5 didn't have enough to keep them from telling CCP that nerfing 0.0 grunts ability to make isk would not make us fight more out there, and we didn't want any more nerfs to our ability to live on a personal level to happen. But to say its 100% nullsec residents would be like saying CSM5 was 100% highsec residents. Get your fact straight before predicting the end of the world.
TBH I really know nothing about Two step and if iirc Meissa is Lo-sec well that hasnt helped lo-sec much. But you can't argue that the number of people playing this game has gone down since CSM 6 came about? Lets face it I do some 0.0 not much most of my interest lie in Hi-sec so why the hell should I care about patching some set of game mechanics used only by 6% of the population but now using a disproportionate amount of resources to make those patches. |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:14:00 -
[501] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:
TBH I really know nothing about Two step and if iirc Meissa is Lo-sec well that hasnt helped lo-sec much. But you can't argue that the number of people playing this game has gone down since CSM 6 came about? Lets face it I do some 0.0 not much most of my interest lie in Hi-sec so why the hell should I care about patching some set of game mechanics used only by 6% of the population but now using a disproportionate amount of resources to make those patches.
yeah i know right? when incarna came out sub numbers skyrocketed and the csm was like woot lets have more pants! and CCP was like no way! greed is good we gonna make Crucible and the players was like screw that we're unsubbing. wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:15:00 -
[502] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. I do believe that is something to worry about. CSM6 was a joke and with the current voting levels I believe CSM 7 might be one as well. They really need to set it up like a normal election so you vote more in line with the area your involved in for example have a 0.0 candidate slot on the table and make the 0.0 ers fight for that. This games growth has declined this year and another 0.0 CSM will kill it some more. So 20% of the population should have 1/14th the representation. I love bitter publord math :)
it's called affirmative action and it's AWSOME wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
423
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:24:00 -
[503] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: TBH I really know nothing about Two step and if iirc Meissa is Lo-sec well that hasnt helped lo-sec much. But you can't argue that the number of people playing this game has gone down since CSM 6 came about? Lets face it I do some 0.0 not much most of my interest lie in Hi-sec so why the hell should I care about patching some set of game mechanics used only by 6 percent of the population but now using a disproportionate amount of resources to make those patches.
Right... What else happened during CSM6 that wasn't actually caused by CSM6?
Did you know most CSM influence is actually felt in the first expansion after the next CSM comes in? ie: CSM6 gets credit for inferno, CSM5 gets credit for Incarna(tho Incarna was actually mostly CCP management ignoring the hell out of everything everyone told them).
Sub count dropping isn't the result of CSM, its the result of CCP management being arrogant and willfully ignorant of the playerbase.
Sorry you hate goons so much, at least you should be happy that only one ran for CSM this year instead of 2 Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
304
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:47:00 -
[504] - Quote
Hey guys, i just updated my signature to have an statistically accurate wording.
I was doubting between saying 0% hisec or 100% non-highsec, but somehow 100% non-Highsec drives a stonger point.
I expect to put a "7" instead of the 6 to update my signature after the election. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.03.08 14:41:00 -
[505] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Frying Doom wrote: TBH I really know nothing about Two step and if iirc Meissa is Lo-sec well that hasnt helped lo-sec much. But you can't argue that the number of people playing this game has gone down since CSM 6 came about? Lets face it I do some 0.0 not much most of my interest lie in Hi-sec so why the hell should I care about patching some set of game mechanics used only by 6 percent of the population but now using a disproportionate amount of resources to make those patches. Right... What else happened during CSM6 that wasn't actually caused by CSM6? Did you know most CSM influence is actually felt in the first expansion after the next CSM comes in? ie: CSM6 gets credit for inferno, CSM5 gets credit for Incarna(tho Incarna was actually mostly CCP management ignoring the hell out of everything everyone told them). Sub count dropping isn't the result of CSM, its the result of CCP management being arrogant and willfully ignorant of the playerbase. Sorry you hate goons so much, at least you should be happy that only one ran for CSM this year instead of 2
TBH I really don't hate the goons, I just believe that CCP is a business. They are here to make money. So if you have a minority no matter what percentage in control of the CSM, they can and frankly for the sake of EVE as a whole should be ignored. So my dislike of Goons is based on the fact I really like EVE and to get the numbers growing again after CCP's lovely actions of the past 12 months (even without the Non-Hisec CSM) it really requires most of CCP's resources to be devoted to the majority eg. Hi-sec and Newbie players to save the game (and subsequently with higher profits keeping CCP focused on EVE not other games or spin offs).
So I suppose what I'm saying is DON'T VOTE Non-Hi-sec if you want to be playing this game in a few years time. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
424
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Posted - 2012.03.08 14:49:00 -
[506] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: TBH I really don't hate the goons, I just believe that CCP is a business. They are here to make money. So if you have a minority no matter what percentage in control of the CSM, they can and frankly for the sake of EVE as a whole should be ignored. So my dislike of Goons is based on the fact I really like EVE and to get the numbers growing again after CCP's lovely actions of the past 12 months (even without the Non-Hisec CSM) it really requires most of CCP's resources to be devoted to the majority eg. Hi-sec and Newbie players to save the game (and subsequently with higher profits keeping CCP focused on EVE not other games or spin offs).
So I suppose what I'm saying is DON'T VOTE Non-Hi-sec if you want to be playing this game in a few years time.
Look up the Queen of Spoons if you want to know why people don't trust highsec reps to do anything good. She kinda ruined it for highsec advocates.
The problem is a highsec/newbie player is focused on the short term. Nullsec players, especially leaders out here, have to think long term because they have an empire to run.
I support having a highsec rep or 2 on the CSM, but catering to that crowd will kill eve the same way catering to that crowd killed the only other major sandbox MMO out there(SWG), and is currently killing WOW.
Any game company that prioritizes players who don't have a long term investment in the game is planning on failing.
Edit: not to detract from Issler, I hear he is actually a great candidate, and an excellent choice as a highsec player who has a long term investment in the game. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
245
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:28:00 -
[507] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: TBH I really don't hate the goons, I just believe that CCP is a business. They are here to make money. So if you have a minority no matter what percentage in control of the CSM, they can and frankly for the sake of EVE as a whole should be ignored. So my dislike of Goons is based on the fact I really like EVE and to get the numbers growing again after CCP's lovely actions of the past 12 months (even without the Non-Hisec CSM) it really requires most of CCP's resources to be devoted to the majority eg. Hi-sec and Newbie players to save the game (and subsequently with higher profits keeping CCP focused on EVE not other games or spin offs)
So I suppose what I'm saying is DON'T VOTE Non-Hi-sec if you want to be playing this game in a few years time.
I genuinely share your concerns about newbie players (I'm still a newbie, or a returning bittern00b, I guess) but I think you are misdirecting those concerns. Alliances like Goonswarm and TEST are extremely newbie friendly, since they actively recruit players from outside the game, and do so with the long term view that retaining those rifter pilots now means that many more battleship and dreadnought pilots later. Our directors take an active interest in the new player experience because they have to, unlike leaders of alliances with high skillpoint minimums who are just plucking the fruit grown from the labor of many struggling small alliances that do take in new players, only to lose them to ~elite pvp~ alliances in null
Once upon a time, as an experiment, I started out a fresh character and tried to make my way through the new player experience without just setting my home to VFK and podding myself. You know what I found? Eve sucks if you're a new player without an alliance welcoming you and helping you out. I really don't know what makes people want to play it because it is lonely and boring and downright tedious. Sure, you can join things like Eve University but you have to know about them. You can find a corp on the recruitment channel but have you ever sat and read that channel? It's awful, all the people on it are terrible, the corp ads read like they were written by the same people who scribble out of order notes on vending machines, and most of them have SP limits and/or don't accept people on trial accounts. Not a favorable first impression for new players
Also, my ship looked like a dentist's chair. My next ship looked like some other kind of chair. Then there was the one that looked like a big metal nose, and finally I got into a giant flying mailbox. Yay Caldari, I guess
Guess which CSM pushed for rookie ship redesign? The one chaired by ~my ceo~.
Goons aren't ruining this game. A lot of people will say so, but they're either uninformed or they're trying to dodge the fact that it is they who are ruining this game and ruining it badly. The worst things for Eve are ~elite pvp~ alliances and empire isk farming carebears. One tells new players they can have fun when they're all grown up and can fly a titan, and the other tells new players they can have fun when they have enough money (which is never, because you always need more for the next "fun" thing).
And I just realized I typed all this up in Issler's thread which means it was a waste of time but what the hell, here it is anyhow. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
889
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Posted - 2012.03.08 17:16:00 -
[508] - Quote
My personal thanks to the little bees for keeping this thread on page one.
Character three voted for Issler.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.03.08 20:03:00 -
[509] - Quote
Voted for Issler with my alt too... :) |
Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
7
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Posted - 2012.03.08 21:12:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote: Edit: not to detract from Issler, I hear he is actually a great candidate, and an excellent choice as a highsec player who has a long term investment in the game.
Yes, that is certainly true, she is and does.
I hope EVE voter turnout for the CSM7 election is high. Voting is easy, just two clicks...one to go to CCP's election site, and one to vote for the candidate of your choice... http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4913&tid=1 It's a fun game and I hope it's players like it enough to give a few clicks to it's direction.
This is an interesting article (by Tzuzeku de'Tirisfal of The White Rose Conveticle blog) about how the breakdown of the CSM6 votes played out and, really, the importance of voting at all as shown by result:
If one is concerned by the the poor representation of High and Low Sec interests on the CSM, the first necessary order of business ought to be to dispose, once and for all, of the myth that Empire Space is poorly represented "because Empire votes are divided among too many High and Low Sec candidates."
A simple, open-eyed look at the voter turnout and results from the last CSM election suggests, to the contrary, that the truth is more that there are barely any Empire Votes to divide, unless you are moonstruck enough to believe there's any circumstance in which the diverse interests of Empire citizens -- High and Low; Miner, Mission Runner, Faction Warrior; Ganker and Gankee -- and transitive Wormholers could be somehow magically united behind one candidacy.
For CSM6, 49,096 votes were cast by 14.25% of the approximately 344,533 eligible votes. The results were as follows:
Delegates Votes Character 5,365 The Mittani 3,813 Seleene 3,320 UAxDEATH 3,306 Trebor Daehdoow 2,925 Killer2 2,539 White Tree 2,240 Vile Rat 2,086 Meissa Anunthiel 1,986 Draco Llasa
Alternates Votes Character 1,747 Elise Randolph 1,341 Prometheus Exenthal 1,090 Krutoj 956 Two Step 921 Darius III
Aside from what must be called a low overall participation rate given how long-advertised is the annual polling, the most telling fact, here, is that the winning delegates and alternates received a whopping 68.5% of the votes actually cast.
Basically, if your character(s) voted at all, the odds are 2 to 1 you were more or less happy with the outcome. The top four winning candidates, by themselves, received a combined vote total greater than all the disappointed votes combined.
As the 15461 disappointed votes doubtless include a good number of votes for lesser 0.0 vanity candidates, just as the happily rewarded 33625 votes doubtless include a good number of Empire votes for winning Nullsec candidates, it is simply, by the numbers, unreasonable to expect Empire candidacies to pull enough votes to win out of what is objectively a rather small pool of participating dissatisfied Empire voters.
The rude rough truth, statistically speaking, may well be this: Nullsec votes; Few else bother.
So, participate, Empire voters! If you like this game we play, give it a couple easy clicks! |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1075
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Posted - 2012.03.09 01:47:00 -
[511] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Frying Doom wrote: TBH I really don't hate the goons, I just believe that CCP is a business. They are here to make money. So if you have a minority no matter what percentage in control of the CSM, they can and frankly for the sake of EVE as a whole should be ignored. So my dislike of Goons is based on the fact I really like EVE and to get the numbers growing again after CCP's lovely actions of the past 12 months (even without the Non-Hisec CSM) it really requires most of CCP's resources to be devoted to the majority eg. Hi-sec and Newbie players to save the game (and subsequently with higher profits keeping CCP focused on EVE not other games or spin offs)
So I suppose what I'm saying is DON'T VOTE Non-Hi-sec if you want to be playing this game in a few years time.
I genuinely share your concerns about newbie players (I'm still a newbie, or a returning bittern00b, I guess) but I think you are misdirecting those concerns. Alliances like Goonswarm and TEST are extremely newbie friendly, since they actively recruit players from outside the game, and do so with the long term view that retaining those rifter pilots now means that many more battleship and dreadnought pilots later. Our directors take an active interest in the new player experience because they have to, unlike leaders of alliances with high skillpoint minimums who are just plucking the fruit grown from the labor of many struggling small alliances that do take in new players, only to lose them to ~elite pvp~ alliances in null Once upon a time, as an experiment, I started out a fresh character and tried to make my way through the new player experience without just setting my home to VFK and podding myself. You know what I found? Eve sucks if you're a new player without an alliance welcoming you and helping you out. I really don't know what makes people want to play it because it is lonely and boring and downright tedious. Sure, you can join things like Eve University but you have to know about them. You can find a corp on the recruitment channel but have you ever sat and read that channel? It's awful, all the people on it are terrible, the corp ads read like they were written by the same people who scribble out of order notes on vending machines, and most of them have SP limits and/or don't accept people on trial accounts. Not a favorable first impression for new players Also, my ship looked like a dentist's chair. My next ship looked like some other kind of chair. Then there was the one that looked like a big metal nose, and finally I got into a giant flying mailbox. Yay Caldari, I guess Guess which CSM pushed for rookie ship redesign? The one chaired by ~my ceo~. Goons aren't ruining this game. A lot of people will say so, but they're either uninformed or they're trying to dodge the fact that it is they who are ruining this game and ruining it badly. The worst things for Eve are ~elite pvp~ alliances and empire isk farming carebears. One tells new players they can have fun when they're all grown up and can fly a titan, and the other tells new players they can have fun when they have enough money (which is never, because you always need more for the next "fun" thing). And I just realized I typed all this up in Issler's thread which means it was a waste of time but what the hell, here it is anyhow.
You are one of the more reasoned goons. Thanks for keeping the conversation more informed and civil than some of the other bees.
And to say its a waste, last time I checked I think I have several of the most active threads in the forums these days!
Issler
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.09 08:49:00 -
[512] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I genuinely share your concerns about newbie players (I'm still a newbie, or a returning bittern00b, I guess) but I think you are misdirecting those concerns. Alliances like Goonswarm and TEST are extremely newbie friendly, since they actively recruit players from outside the game, and do so with the long term view that retaining those rifter pilots now means that many more battleship and dreadnought pilots later. Our directors take an active interest in the new player experience because they have to, unlike leaders of alliances with high skillpoint minimums who are just plucking the fruit grown from the labor of many struggling small alliances that do take in new players, only to lose them to ~elite pvp~ alliances in null
I will admit I never considered Goons newbie friendly, mostly because I had a goon try to scam me for admittance to the corp when I was a newbie. This might be a change for the goons, maybe you have forbidden the scamming of new players.
My largest concerns are for the future of this game and of industry (subsequently my votes for Issler). I would love to see more done to help miners by either another concerted effort in removing bots(Which the Goons Ice Blockade showed how bad the bots are), or a level playing field so I can use bots as well legally.
We need more to draw in newbies whether thats a Wis WoW like add on to the game and definitely even more tutorials and such to help newbies into it. The one comment I have read over and over about this game is the steep learning curve this needs to be softened for Newbies.
And Thanks for your Polite and Considered reply
Frying Doom |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
428
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Posted - 2012.03.09 08:58:00 -
[513] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I genuinely share your concerns about newbie players (I'm still a newbie, or a returning bittern00b, I guess) but I think you are misdirecting those concerns. Alliances like Goonswarm and TEST are extremely newbie friendly, since they actively recruit players from outside the game, and do so with the long term view that retaining those rifter pilots now means that many more battleship and dreadnought pilots later. Our directors take an active interest in the new player experience because they have to, unlike leaders of alliances with high skillpoint minimums who are just plucking the fruit grown from the labor of many struggling small alliances that do take in new players, only to lose them to ~elite pvp~ alliances in null
I will admit I never considered Goons newbie friendly, mostly because I had a goon try to scam me for admittance to the corp when I was a newbie. This might be a change for the goons, maybe you have forbidden the scamming of new players. My largest concerns are for the future of this game and of industry (subsequently my votes for Issler). I would love to see more done to help miners by either another concerted effort in removing bots(Which the Goons Ice Blockade showed how bad the bots are), or a level playing field so I can use bots as well legally. We need more to draw in newbies whether thats a Wis WoW like add on to the game and definitely even more tutorials and such to help newbies into it. The one comment I have read over and over about this game is the steep learning curve this needs to be softened for Newbies. And Thanks for your Polite and Considered reply Frying Doom
Just to be clear, goons are newbie friendly, but they consider the recruitment scam to be part of a filter to keep people who are dumb enough to fall for it out of the corp. If you look up goon recruitment, it clearly says anyone asking for a security deposit is scamming you. If you are not smart enough to look it up, they don't want you anyway.
Also, most newbie goons are recruited from the SA forums, and are already goons when they join eve.
PS. Someone lving in highsec, spam this. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.09 08:59:00 -
[514] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I genuinely share your concerns about newbie players (I'm still a newbie, or a returning bittern00b, I guess) but I think you are misdirecting those concerns. Alliances like Goonswarm and TEST are extremely newbie friendly, since they actively recruit players from outside the game, and do so with the long term view that retaining those rifter pilots now means that many more battleship and dreadnought pilots later. Our directors take an active interest in the new player experience because they have to, unlike leaders of alliances with high skillpoint minimums who are just plucking the fruit grown from the labor of many struggling small alliances that do take in new players, only to lose them to ~elite pvp~ alliances in null
I will admit I never considered Goons newbie friendly, mostly because I had a goon try to scam me for admittance to the corp when I was a newbie. This might be a change for the goons, maybe you have forbidden the scamming of new players. My largest concerns are for the future of this game and of industry (subsequently my votes for Issler). I would love to see more done to help miners by either another concerted effort in removing bots(Which the Goons Ice Blockade showed how bad the bots are), or a level playing field so I can use bots as well legally. We need more to draw in newbies whether thats a Wis WoW like add on to the game and definitely even more tutorials and such to help newbies into it. The one comment I have read over and over about this game is the steep learning curve this needs to be softened for Newbies. And Thanks for your Polite and Considered reply Frying Doom
DAMN DAWG.... wow-like wis and legalization of bots in the same reply, that aint cool yo, ISSLER U GONNA ROLLE WIT DAT?
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.09 09:12:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:
DAMN DAWG.... wow-like wis and legalization of bots in the same reply, that aint cool yo, ISSLER U GONNA ROLLE WIT DAT?
No what I said is that if they are unable to remove the Bots and these bots ARE destroying the industry side then legalise botting. Why should isk sellers and the like who can cover there tracks get an unfair advantage over other players? As for the Wis what Im saying is that it would increase newbie populations there by giving CCP more money, so this game will live longer. If you just go down the same road you will get the same results.
Albert Einstein Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I for one dont want to see a repeat of the last 12 months.
I did notice however that as a goon you didn't further the discussion by describing The Goonswarms policies for not ripping off newbies or are you implying your not newbie friendly?
Frying Doom |
Grumpy Owly
306
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Posted - 2012.03.09 09:18:00 -
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Ka P'lah wrote: For CSM6, 49,096 votes were cast by 14.25% of the approximately 344,533 eligible votes. The results were as follows:
Delegates Votes Character 5,365 The Mittani 3,813 Seleene 3,320 UAxDEATH 3,306 Trebor Daehdoow 2,925 Killer2 2,539 White Tree 2,240 Vile Rat 2,086 Meissa Anunthiel 1,986 Draco Llasa
Alternates Votes Character 1,747 Elise Randolph 1,341 Prometheus Exenthal 1,090 Krutoj 956 Two Step 921 Darius III
Quote:Aside from what must be called a low overall participation rate given how long-advertised is the annual polling, the most telling fact, here, is that the winning delegates and alternates received a whopping 68.5% of the votes actually cast.
This is simply drawing a conclusion that the most popular candidates won in a voting process and that 12 of the highest constintuted the highest proportion of votes. Why should we be suprised by this, would we seriously expect the proportion of votes to be comprised of the candidates who weren't elected?
Quote:Basically, if your character(s) voted at all, the odds are 2 to 1 you were more or less happy with the outcome. The top four winning candidates, by themselves, received a combined vote total greater than all the disappointed votes combined.
Which also mean 1 in 3 who voted didnt get the representation they wanted.
Quote:As the 15461 disappointed votes doubtless include a good number of votes for lesser 0.0 vanity candidates, just as the happily rewarded 33625 votes doubtless include a good number of Empire votes for winning Nullsec candidates, it is simply, by the numbers, unreasonable to expect Empire candidacies to pull enough votes to win out of what is objectively a rather small pool of participating dissatisfied Empire voters.
There is no evidence to support your claims here. Citation needed to support them please, otherwise its mere speculation.
The conclusions drawn however can be supported simply by population distributions. But it uncertain how the division of alts and other interests vary with regional preferences. So whilst it is probabale based on this understanding it is no way clear to draw area distinctions with behaviour of voting. If you think it is, then please provided the numbers to support the claims of how the allocation of each voter's area is attributed accordingly from general numbers.
The only valuable statistic provided was that less than 15% voted. Which shows a poor turn out and a poor representation mandate for the CSM. So yes Apathy can be seen as a problem for the CSM. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
428
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Posted - 2012.03.09 09:31:00 -
[517] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:The only valuable statistic provided was that less than 15% voted. Which shows a poor turn out and a poor representation mandate for the CSM. So yes Apathy can be seen as a problem for the CSM. According to campaign updates from Mittens, we already have had 50% more voters this year than we did last year, its we are only a couple days into the election.
I don't have a source to provide, this is just hearsay based on a jabber that went out to update CFC members on how its going(we are being kept very election aware for some reason ) But, I can see very few credible reasons why a lie would have been issued. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Grumpy Owly
306
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Posted - 2012.03.09 09:38:00 -
[518] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:The only valuable statistic provided was that less than 15% voted. Which shows a poor turn out and a poor representation mandate for the CSM. So yes Apathy can be seen as a problem for the CSM. According to campaign updates from Mittens, we already have had 50% more voters this year than we did last year, its we are only a couple days into the election. I don't have a source to provide, this is just hearsay based on a jabber that went out to update CFC members on how its going(we are being kept very election aware for some reason ) But, I can see very few credible reasons why a lie would have been issued.
Figure come from a sticky above:
CCP Diagoras wrote:I'll just post a few stats showing an overview of the number of votes cast this election compared to the same point in the CSM6 election. Nothing too in depth. The total numbers include abstains.
7th March, 16:00: 19,519. CSM6: 8,740 - CSM5: 2,331 7th March, 22:00: 26,351. CSM6: 14,966 - CSM5: 4,047 8th March, 13:00: 31,933. CSM6: 21,056 - CSM5: 5,347 8th March, 21:00: 33,854. CSM6: 23,385 - CSM5: 8,583
So yes, things do look more effective that more interest may be apparent to the process. But like I said it may be due to voting habits that people are voting earlier, not that there are more of them.
Since 33,854 as the last reported figure of this years voting is still 68 percent of the last years 49,096 CSM6 voting number.
So although voting appears to be more active, and I really hope it is, since I have personally invested time into this as you can see from my sig. It is still too early to draw any certain conclusions that there is more "total" electorate this year. We need to wait for this years numbers to surpass previous years totals for real conclusions to be drawn. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.09 09:38:00 -
[519] - Quote
And on his twitter he wrote CCP_Diagoras
More votes have been cast in this election in the first 24 hours than were cast in total in any of the first four elections. Impressive!
So this one will be a higher percentage of the population :) |
Grumpy Owly
306
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Posted - 2012.03.09 09:47:00 -
[520] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:And on his twitter he wrote CCP_Diagoras
More votes have been cast in this election in the first 24 hours than were cast in total in any of the first four elections. Impressive!
So this one will be a higher percentage of the population :)
I do hope so, but it is only using a figure to base projections that behaviour wll remain linear over the whole election period based on the first day. That isnt a poor speculation I have to say, but it still may not conclude that there will be more electorate or that it will follow a straight line pattern all the way through.
Personally, I'm waiting to see what happens this weekend, as I have an incling a lot of people who play at weekends will then be voting. Though of course they may have voted anyhow. But if players are using IG reminders then anyone who is a "weekend" player may only register their interest at this point. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
428
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Posted - 2012.03.09 09:49:00 -
[521] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:So although voting appears to be more active, and I really hope it is, since I have personally invested time into this as you can see from my sig. It is still too early to draw any certain conclusions that there is more "total" electorate this year. We need to wait for this years numbers to surpass previous years totals for real conclusions to be drawn. I'm sure part of it is the constant jabber ping in nullsec making us vote early and often in hopes of shutting them the hell up, but those numbers are tell me we will definitely have a higher overall turnout, even if the voting tapers off dramatically(which I doubt, we still have the weekend players to catch)
And yes, many people have been doing ALOT over the past year to help raise awareness, and encourage voting initiatives outside of null. I think the final step is to make it harder for people to get on the ballot(100 likes was too easily gamed to clog the ballot again and draw attention away from good candidates like Issler) so we can see more easily where the voting deficiencies lie. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.09 10:38:00 -
[522] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:
DAMN DAWG.... wow-like wis and legalization of bots in the same reply, that aint cool yo, ISSLER U GONNA ROLLE WIT DAT?
No what I said is that if they are unable to remove the Bots and these bots ARE destroying the industry side then legalise botting. Why should isk sellers and the like who can cover there tracks get an unfair advantage over other players? As for the Wis what Im saying is that it would increase newbie populations there by giving CCP more money, so this game will live longer. If you just go down the same road you will get the same results. Albert Einstein Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I for one dont want to see a repeat of the last 12 months. Tallian Saotome wrote:
Just to be clear, goons are newbie friendly, but they consider the recruitment scam to be part of a filter to keep people who are dumb enough to fall for it out of the corp. If you look up goon recruitment, it clearly says anyone asking for a security deposit is scamming you. If you are not smart enough to look it up, they don't want you anyway.
Also, most newbie goons are recruited from the SA forums, and are already goons when they join eve.
This doesnt really prove to be newbie friendly then if they are goons before they enter EVE nor does it really help the CCP bottom line with such a small pool of people. Goonswarm only having 7983 members with 300,000 subscriptons all up. Frying Doom while i don't claim to be an expert to be on bot-eradication i certainly don't think legalized botting will help the situation. right now botting still has certain barriers: - you can get banned, and this risk has increased due to the fact that now characters flagged with bot infraction cannot be traded. - you have to have a level of expertise - many botting software costs RL $
without these barriers everybody and their 2 cats would start botting, and you will see exponentially more destruction to industry than existing RMT motivated botters. do you think the average player using the legalized bots stand a chance in the botting arms-race with the organized RMTers?
abuse of schedule one narcotics is a really big problem in USA, would you combat that with legalization? no you combat that with rehabilitation, prevention, education, and most of all regulation and busting dealers.
as for other noob friendly places there are eve university and Red vs Blue, and why don't your corp take a bigger part in welcoming new players? since we are the "bad" guys you "good" guys should start doing your part to better the new player experience, every bit counts. and i don't see people complaining about PL and how elitist they are sheesh. whose fault is it when i see so many people posting here lamenting the lack of new player experience when they all seem to be in their 3 alt corps. i just find this very strange, even if they are all casual players doing the odd handful of missions on the weekend why do they refuse to stay with a corp even if they never fleet together, just stay for the chat channels, the corp mails and forums, as in like being part of a group community. how many corps do you see with descriptions like "we are casual, we do pvp pve industry basically anything if you are not a trial we will take you". they only have themselves to blame. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
430
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Posted - 2012.03.09 10:53:00 -
[523] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:This doesnt really prove to be newbie friendly then if they are goons before they enter EVE nor does it really help the CCP bottom line with such a small pool of people. Goonswarm only having 7983 members with 300,000 subscriptons all up.
Newbie != stupid enough not to do some research, those people are n00bs of the terrible kind. Goons are fairly friendly to newbies tho, even if they reject you the chats I have seen usually direct you to a decent home(any good recruiter has a couple friendly corps/alliances to refer rejects too)
Most of the CFC has similar procedures on recruitment, and are similarly accepting of newbies(my corp requires you can fly at least one of the doctrine ships we use, but no other real skill checks) so that more like 25k of the 300k. Still not a huge fraction, but we can't force the rest of EVE to be friendly(tho we do make war on the elitists quite regularly).
I also know for a fact that there are plenty of newbie friendly high/lowsec corps that do recruiting. Check recruitment adverts, and you are likely to see a few.
Just never think recruitment channel is worth a damn. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.09 10:56:00 -
[524] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: abuse of schedule one narcotics is a really big problem in USA, would you combat that with legalization? no you combat that with rehabilitation, prevention, education, and most of all regulation and busting dealers.
And how is that going for the USA? as opposed to countries that have legalized? TBH the main reason drugs arn't legalized in Australia is actually due to tax.
Taiwanistan wrote: as for other noob friendly places there are eve university and Red vs Blue, and why don't your corp take a bigger part in welcoming new players? since we are the "bad" guys you "good" guys should start doing your part to better the new player experience, every bit counts. and i don't see people complaining about PL and how elitist they are sheesh. whose fault is it when i see so many people posting here lamenting the lack of new player experience when they all seem to be in their 3 alt corps. i just find this very strange, even if they are all casual players doing the odd handful of missions on the weekend why do they refuse to stay with a corp even if they never fleet together, just stay for the chat channels, the corp mails and forums, as in like being part of a group community. how many corps do you see with descriptions like "we are casual, we do pvp pve industry basically anything if you are not a trial we will take you". they only have themselves to blame.
Yes I agree we should all do more to help newbies, lets face it the older EVE players are like bar flies they may ***** and complain but they will stay. Just like a bar however The bar flies cover your base costs and the new customers are what gives you profit and allows you to grow. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.09 11:29:00 -
[525] - Quote
notice i said schedule one, the fun stuff like ****** and cocain. where is that legal? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
431
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Posted - 2012.03.09 11:42:00 -
[526] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: abuse of schedule one narcotics is a really big problem in USA, would you combat that with legalization? no you combat that with rehabilitation, prevention, education, and most of all regulation and busting dealers.
And how is that going for the USA? as opposed to countries that have legalized? TBH the main reason drugs arn't legalized in Australia is actually due to tax. Taiwanistan wrote: as for other noob friendly places there are eve university and Red vs Blue, and why don't your corp take a bigger part in welcoming new players? since we are the "bad" guys you "good" guys should start doing your part to better the new player experience, every bit counts. and i don't see people complaining about PL and how elitist they are sheesh. whose fault is it when i see so many people posting here lamenting the lack of new player experience when they all seem to be in their 3 alt corps. i just find this very strange, even if they are all casual players doing the odd handful of missions on the weekend why do they refuse to stay with a corp even if they never fleet together, just stay for the chat channels, the corp mails and forums, as in like being part of a group community. how many corps do you see with descriptions like "we are casual, we do pvp pve industry basically anything if you are not a trial we will take you". they only have themselves to blame.
Yes I agree we should all do more to help newbies, lets face it the older EVE players are like bar flies they may ***** and complain but they will stay. Just like a bar however The bar flies cover your base costs and the new customers are what gives you profit and allows you to grow. I've actually been trying to brainstorm an idea that will allow newbies to somehow reward corps that take them in in their first day or 2, and teaches them the game. Some sort of command they can issue once the account in a month or 2 old, if they have been in the corp continuously for that time since their first week. This would provide incentive to recruiting true newbs to a good active corp and teaching them EVE.
Maybe some kind of temporary tax multiplier(tax is set to 10%, corp makes 11% for the month after the newbie clicks the reward button)? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.09 11:46:00 -
[527] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:notice i said schedule one, the fun stuff like ****** and cocain. where is that legal?
Sorry I will admit the schedule one bit threw me as I'm not really sure what the USA classifies as this but ******* is legal in Mexico, Columbia, Portugal to be honest I cant say what effect this has on the particular countries as I have never looked at it.
With out going into a big speal on drugs, as has been pointed out over the last several decades the main problem with drugs isn't the suppliers but the users. No users and the suppliers go away. Maybe there is an answer in that for the boting problem as the RMT funds from boting and the super cap production(alleged to be supplied by bots) maybe be even harder or more effient if possible on the end users so there is no one left to buy the proceeds of their ill gotten gains. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.09 11:55:00 -
[528] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:
I've actually been trying to brainstorm an idea that will allow newbies to somehow reward corps that take them in in their first day or 2, and teaches them the game. Some sort of command they can issue once the account in a month or 2 old, if they have been in the corp continuously for that time since their first week. This would provide incentive to recruiting true newbs to a good active corp and teaching them EVE.
Maybe some kind of temporary tax multiplier(tax is set to 10%, corp makes 11% for the month after the newbie clicks the reward button)?
TBH What I thought was a reasonble idea was to give people a mentor role, so one on one time with a newbie for the first 30 days of the characters life, with the ability for either the newbie or the mentor to drop placing them back in respective pools (Mostly becuse sometimes personalities clash). During this time give the mentor a bonus to the SP they gain 10% or so(Most people seem to value SP above all else). This way the mentors gain something and so does the pupil and at the end of the term give the pupil a questioner to rate the mentor and post this list so future pupils can get a gauge on who to select.
I hope I was clear on what I was saying. Still coming off an illness and strangely the doctor put me on opiates for the pain lol |
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
39
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Posted - 2012.03.09 12:10:00 -
[529] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:notice i said schedule one, the fun stuff like ****** and cocain. where is that legal?
'Legal' might be too strong a word, but a few countries have decided to focus on treatment instead of punishment. Switzerland's ****** program comes to mind -- addicts are able to receive twice daily doses in government clinics, and are aggressively rehabilitated.
I don't really have good data, but what I hear is that it has a marked impact on usage rates, drug related crime, and disease transmission. If you're interested, there is a study out of Switzerland with some usage and crime statistics.
That said, I think the real life drug war is very not useful as a metaphor for botting. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
431
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Posted - 2012.03.09 12:19:00 -
[530] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:
I've actually been trying to brainstorm an idea that will allow newbies to somehow reward corps that take them in in their first day or 2, and teaches them the game. Some sort of command they can issue once the account in a month or 2 old, if they have been in the corp continuously for that time since their first week. This would provide incentive to recruiting true newbs to a good active corp and teaching them EVE.
Maybe some kind of temporary tax multiplier(tax is set to 10%, corp makes 11% for the month after the newbie clicks the reward button)?
TBH What I thought was a reasonble idea was to give people a mentor role, so one on one time with a newbie for the first 30 days of the characters life, with the ability for either the newbie or the mentor to drop placing them back in respective pools (Mostly becuse sometimes personalities clash). During this time give the mentor a bonus to the SP they gain 10% or so(Most people seem to value SP above all else). This way the mentors gain something and so does the pupil and at the end of the term give the pupil a questioner to rate the mentor and post this list so future pupils can get a gauge on who to select. I hope I was clear on what I was saying. Still coming off an illness and strangely the doctor put me on opiates for the pain lol Same idea as mine, but you want to reward individuals. I am of the belief that the game itself is not going to keep people here(space really is pretty boring, no matter how many shinys) but rather the community. By rewarding corps, and in a way that rewards larger, ore active corps more than smaller, less active ones, you encourage people to accept newbies into their communities, where they will not only learn, but they will have a team to fall back on when they get ganked or whatever.
Ultimately, 2 core problems tho.
1) Easily exploitable. I could keep a 100% SP boost going for a 1 time investment of a single plex(You can get a plex back from a buddy referral, where the referral is activate by a plex, with 10 buddy invites per month to all have mark me as mentor)
2) Easily manipulated to turn newbies into personal slaves and be rewarded for it. If I go pick a random newbie, tell him I am gonna get him started in the game, give him 50 mil, and use him as my slave til the mentor bonus goes away, then tell him to bugger off, that is going to reward me for behavior that will ultimately make that newbie leave the game.I can make 50 mil in roughly an hour, but to a newbie its gonna seem like I am the richest man in eve, so he will think its legit.
If EVE were not the cut-throat game it is, your ideas would be wonderful, but CCP encourages us to abuse and exploit mechanics. (The rule is that unless its an obvious bug, we can use it til they change the mechanic)
A corp isn't as likely to do this, as they don't want dead weight screwing up their numbers(unless it is a newbie training corp) so they will teach the newbie to survive so they can help the corp. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.03.09 12:24:00 -
[531] - Quote
i serious doubt that any of the schedule one drugs (to clarify the really hard drugs) are legal anywhere in the world, some places readily available, out right legal, no way. in any case similar to drug demand, maybe ccp will nerf supercaps and titans into useless to kill RMT demand but there will be a huge shitstorm... CFC Conspiracy and etc ccp can control the extant of boting but i doubt they can ever eradicate it. to be frank it may be a terribly bad sign when there is zero market for RMT isk it means that eve online is a dying game. legalized botting would almost surely kill in front of keyboard mining.
i just disagree with the theory that sanctioned botting is the way to combat RMT. it will make bot hunting just that much harder, which is the illegal bot, which is the legal one. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.09 12:36:00 -
[532] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:i serious doubt that any of the schedule one drugs (to clarify the really hard drugs) are legal anywhere in the world, some places readily available, out right legal, no way
Yes, I'm well aware of what schedule one drugs are. And although there is a difference between schedule one opioids being legal and the government handing them out for free, I would say it's a pretty thin line.
tl;dr somebody is wrong on the internet~ |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.09 12:38:00 -
[533] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:
i just disagree with the theory that sanctioned botting is the way to combat RMT. it will make bot hunting just that much harder, which is the illegal bot, which is the legal one.
Sorry I must have not made that clear what I was saying is go after the people who buy the supercaps and other RMT goods with everything they can. If its so nasty to buy the goods no one will want too (Well no one with half a brain). So if there is no demand the supply will go away or dwindle to nothing. I only brought up legalised botting if they cant get rid of the majority of botting. When your mining for hours on end it stinks when you think someone else is not even in their house making money. So yes it would remove people from sitting their while mining which I actually like, but at least I would be on the same playing level as the botters. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.09 12:49:00 -
[534] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote: Same idea as mine, but you want to reward individuals. I am of the belief that the game itself is not going to keep people here(space really is pretty boring, no matter how many shinys) but rather the community. By rewarding corps, and in a way that rewards larger, ore active corps more than smaller, less active ones, you encourage people to accept newbies into their communities, where they will not only learn, but they will have a team to fall back on when they get ganked or whatever.
Ultimately, 2 core problems tho.
1) Easily exploitable. I could keep a 100% SP boost going for a 1 time investment of a single plex(You can get a plex back from a buddy referral, where the referral is activate by a plex, with 10 buddy invites per month to all have mark me as mentor)
2) Easily manipulated to turn newbies into personal slaves and be rewarded for it. If I go pick a random newbie, tell him I am gonna get him started in the game, give him 50 mil, and use him as my slave til the mentor bonus goes away, then tell him to bugger off, that is going to reward me for behavior that will ultimately make that newbie leave the game.I can make 50 mil in roughly an hour, but to a newbie its gonna seem like I am the richest man in eve, so he will think its legit.
If EVE were not the cut-throat game it is, your ideas would be wonderful, but CCP encourages us to abuse and exploit mechanics. (The rule is that unless its an obvious bug, we can use it til they change the mechanic)
A corp isn't as likely to do this, as they don't want dead weight screwing up their numbers(unless it is a newbie training corp) so they will teach the newbie to survive so they can help the corp.
Sorry I will admit Im not very good at the EVIL side of the game (What I do in RL differs from what I will do in a game becuse its a game).
I was implying a 1 on 1 mentor scheme so a max 10% bonus but I think your idea is better looking at it. if it was done well enough people would actually fight over newbies rather than ignoring them. What about a corp xp system just based on the help provided to newbies, say 10-20 lvls (Yes its a bit WOW ish) to a corp and give them bonuses for each level higher tax for one maybe a better inertial rating. So then a corp who gets alot of newbies (Straight accounts not buddy or other deals) might be week in the SP of their members but will actually be harder to kill than non-newbie friendly corps? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.03.09 14:23:00 -
[535] - Quote
Honestly, the idea of assigned mentors is a good one, though rewards become an issue. That said, I doubt you'd even need to reward them with anything concrete - maybe an in-game and in-forum tag, similar to the DEV and CSM tags you see on people now. This may sound presumptuous, but remember we're posting in a forum where people are literally trying to get elected to help the game for free, so I don't think it's much of a stretch that enough people would be willing to help out just for a vanity tag or w/e.
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Kimiko Nodachi
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.09 15:23:00 -
[536] - Quote
No time to swap accts before I head off for the day.
Friendly bump to the top and confirmation of yet another Mr Epeen vote for Issler. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1080
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:01:00 -
[537] - Quote
I just want to again help everyone for the support and also point out I get some of the most diverse and interesting folks in my threads!!
Thanks all!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1080
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:23:00 -
[538] - Quote
Again I want to thank you for your support, but I find myself having to ask more of you.
Getting folk in game that ignore the forums to vote is key to me having any chance of success. I need you all to help spread the word in game. Some other candidates have seen the momentum of the miner and are trying to jump in late and claim to be the miner's candidate as well.
They see the power the miner's really hold!
So please tell your corp mates, your alliances and your friends to support the miner's candidate! Please ask them to lend their support to my efforts to make sure miners are no longer neglected sub caste of Eve!
So please help spread the word throughout the 'verse that there is a miner that needs their help to get us a seat at the table! A long overdue and earned seat!
Miners Unite!
Issler Dainze The MIner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2580
|
Posted - 2012.03.09 19:25:00 -
[539] - Quote
i will be v. sad when you're no longer here to punt around like a dumb little football |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2580
|
Posted - 2012.03.09 19:26:00 -
[540] - Quote
you could hold a miner march to gather support!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Ovidia Rhianon
Wolves and Knights The Irukandji
8
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Posted - 2012.03.09 20:04:00 -
[541] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:notice i said schedule one, the fun stuff like ****** and cocain. where is that legal?
But cannabis is a schedule one drug, and we all know how dangerous pot is. |
Hai Boiz
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.09 21:06:00 -
[542] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:you could hold a miner march to gather support!!!!!!!!!!!
I dare say you'll feel dumb when that statement comes back to bite you on the bum. As for the vote. I want to open the door and so does Issler. She has my vote.
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Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
9
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Posted - 2012.03.09 21:45:00 -
[543] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Honestly, the idea of assigned mentors is a good one, though rewards become an issue. That said, I doubt you'd even need to reward them with anything concrete - maybe an in-game and in-forum tag, similar to the DEV and CSM tags you see on people now. This may sound presumptuous, but remember we're posting in a forum where people are literally trying to get elected to help the game for free, so I don't think it's much of a stretch that enough people would be willing to help out just for a vanity tag or w/e.
Good idea, I think you actually may be on to something there *clunk* (that was me passing out from surprise )
Personally, I find it hard to imagine any circumstance where bot-mining would be good for the game. Destroy botting! Maybe it can't be realistically totally prevented, but it certainly could be reduced a lot. ...Making mining much more dynamic would not only get more humans to mine, but would make writing scripts for bots harder, hmm?
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.03.09 22:41:00 -
[544] - Quote
Ka P'lah wrote:Personally, I find it hard to imagine any circumstance where bot-mining would be good for the game. Destroy botting! Maybe it can't be realistically totally prevented, but it certainly could be reduced a lot. ...Making mining much more dynamic would not only get more humans to mine, but would make writing scripts for bots harder, hmm?
I don't think changing mechanics is the way to do it - if it's to be changed, do it solely with the interest of making mining better/more interesting for miners. If it makes scripts harder, then so be it, but it shouldn't even be a consideration, more of a happy coincidence if it works out. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.10 00:31:00 -
[545] - Quote
Sorry Issler Im feeling extremely lazy today:) Whats the direct link to vote for you like the ones I see on almost every other candidates page.
Frying Doom |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1083
|
Posted - 2012.03.10 00:39:00 -
[546] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Sorry Issler Im feeling extremely lazy today:) Whats the direct link to vote for you like the ones I see on almost every other candidates page.
Frying Doom
This is supposed to be it.
Issler Dainze CSM 7
Please double check since I've voted and it doesn't seem to let me confirm.
Thanks!
Issler |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.10 00:44:00 -
[547] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Sorry Issler Im feeling extremely lazy today:) Whats the direct link to vote for you like the ones I see on almost every other candidates page.
Frying Doom This is supposed to be it. Issler Dainze CSM 7Please double check since I've voted and it doesn't seem to let me confirm. Thanks! Issler
So have I so will have to presume it works unless one of the people with alts left can confirm. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.10 01:01:00 -
[548] - Quote
Ka P'lah wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Honestly, the idea of assigned mentors is a good one, though rewards become an issue. That said, I doubt you'd even need to reward them with anything concrete - maybe an in-game and in-forum tag, similar to the DEV and CSM tags you see on people now. This may sound presumptuous, but remember we're posting in a forum where people are literally trying to get elected to help the game for free, so I don't think it's much of a stretch that enough people would be willing to help out just for a vanity tag or w/e.
Good idea, I think you actually may be on to something there *clunk* (that was me passing out from surprise ) Personally, I find it hard to imagine any circumstance where bot-mining would be good for the game. Destroy botting! Maybe it can't be realistically totally prevented, but it certainly could be reduced a lot. ...Making mining much more dynamic would not only get more humans to mine, but would make writing scripts for bots harder, hmm?
Personally after spending litterally hundreds if not thousands of hours mining I would like to see botters computers explode. The worst thing is that after all these years and a special team to stop botting it just isn't putting a dent in it. I just find it very frustrating that some piece of scum is botting and gaining an unfair advantage. In the recent ice attacks by the goons they noted alot of bots ice mining. The current attempts to spot this are not effective enough and something needs to be done.
On a happier note I think the ideas for helping the newbies are really on the right track, I'm not sure if a simple tag would be enough but yes I definitely believe we are on the right track here.
I must say thanks to Issler for letting us highjack his post:)
Frying Doom |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1083
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Posted - 2012.03.10 01:07:00 -
[549] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Ka P'lah wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Honestly, the idea of assigned mentors is a good one, though rewards become an issue. That said, I doubt you'd even need to reward them with anything concrete - maybe an in-game and in-forum tag, similar to the DEV and CSM tags you see on people now. This may sound presumptuous, but remember we're posting in a forum where people are literally trying to get elected to help the game for free, so I don't think it's much of a stretch that enough people would be willing to help out just for a vanity tag or w/e.
Good idea, I think you actually may be on to something there *clunk* (that was me passing out from surprise ) Personally, I find it hard to imagine any circumstance where bot-mining would be good for the game. Destroy botting! Maybe it can't be realistically totally prevented, but it certainly could be reduced a lot. ...Making mining much more dynamic would not only get more humans to mine, but would make writing scripts for bots harder, hmm? Personally after spending litterally hundreds if not thousands of hours mining I would like to see botters computers explode. The worst thing is that after all these years and a special team to stop botting it just isn't putting a dent in it. I just find it very frustrating that some piece of scum is botting and gaining an unfair advantage. In the recent ice attacks by the goons they noted alot of bots ice mining. The current attempts to spot this are not effective enough and something needs to be done. On a happier note I think the ideas for helping the newbies are really on the right track, I'm not sure if a simple tag would be enough but yes I definitely believe we are on the right track here. I must say thanks to Issler for letting us highjack his post:) Frying Doom
"Her" post, remember I am the only female candidate this election!
And happy to have great conversations in any thread I'm part of!
I'm a little suspicious of the goons claims of the number of bots vs other miners, but I agree botting must stop! And CCP needs to start changing its tactics because the current approach is like bailing out the Titanic with a thimble.
Issler
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.10 01:14:00 -
[550] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:"Her" post, remember I am the only female candidate this election! Issler Sorry someone already said this but it's just habit as only 5% or so of the EVE population is Female. The number of people who play female however is a lot higher so over the years I have got in the habit of saying he, that way I'm more likely to be right:) |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1083
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Posted - 2012.03.10 01:18:00 -
[551] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:"Her" post, remember I am the only female candidate this election! Issler Sorry someone already said this but it's just habit as only 5% or so of the EVE population is Female. The number of people who play female however is a lot higher so over the years I have got in the habit of saying he, that way I'm more likely to be right:)
No worries! Just gave me a chance to point it out again......
Issler |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.10 03:37:00 -
[552] - Quote
Ok this is going to be a bit of a long one covering the newbie mentor program.
I would like to thank Tallian Saotome of Fatal Ascension and Snow Axe of GoonWaffe for their ideas.
What I am currently proposing is that all Newbies enter a pool effectively like that for the Rookie Channel (probably using the same info that allows people onto that channel, except with the added requirement that the account the character is on is not a buddy or other added account and isn't a plex account)
At the same time allow people to opt in to a mentor pool. Give this pool some kind of criteria, possibly a time frame like 6 months + active for the account.
Allow the newbies to do a tutorial quest to teach them how to use the mentor database. Have the mentor list showing things like Name, Age(of Character), number of jumps away from mentor and scores previously given to the mentor by previous newbies. Also a button to allow a chat to be opened to the Mentor before accepting (also removing the mentor and pupil from the lists for the duration of the chat, preventing a mentor from being overwhelmed)
Have a panel similar to this for the mentors to access with access to the newbie information like age of character, amount of time played (Allowing the mentor to see if the current activity level of the player fits in to his own) and how many jumps to get to the newbie.
Allow a simple pop up like the one currently used for fleet invites to allow a mentor invite.
Now the hard bits are the rewards for the mentors. I agree with Tallian Saotome that a corporate reward system is probably a good place to start. This will allow CEO's to set up a structure within their corp to allow newbies to flourish and give something to the Corp as a whole. I'm not sure about Tallian Saotome's idea of increasing tax rate mostly because of the current inflation in the game it's self. With PLEX's rising at a fairly allarming rate and mineral prices rising as well. I suggested a leveled system for corporations to assist this as well (but I don't think that is right either). So what I am going to suggest is that corps should get a 1% reduction per newbie up to 20% in a reduction in the price of medical clones, repairs, insurance costs and production costs at npc stations.
For the mentor himself I recommend the addition of an in-game and in-forum tag, similar to the DEV and CSM tags you see on people now.(As suggested by Snow Axe) as well as an SP bonus of 10% to the mentor for the duration of his tutelage.
it was suggested that
Tallian Saotome wrote:
2) Easily manipulated to turn newbies into personal slaves and be rewarded for it. If I go pick a random newbie, tell him I am gonna get him started in the game, give him 50 mil, and use him as my slave til the mentor bonus goes away, then tell him to bugger off, that is going to reward me for behavior that will ultimately make that newbie leave the game.I can make 50 mil in roughly an hour, but to a newbie its gonna seem like I am the richest man in eve, so he will think its legit.
If EVE were not the cut-throat game it is, your ideas would be wonderful, but CCP encourages us to abuse and exploit mechanics. (The rule is that unless its an obvious bug, we can use it til they change the mechanic)
A corp isn't as likely to do this, as they don't want dead weight screwing up their numbers(unless it is a newbie training corp) so they will teach the newbie to survive so they can help the corp.
For this I recommend that an easy ability for the newbie to remove them self from the mentor be established so that way if the mentor does us them as a personal slave, the pupil can get out simply, I also recommend the ability for either the mentor or the pupil to cease the relationship easily as sometimes personalities clash.
I agree that a corporation is an integral part of this process, for it to succeed corps have got to want newbies. I also feel the need for the newbies at the end of their tutelage whether from time or they leave the current mentor need to be able to rate the mentors performance. Allowing an averaging of this score and possibly a pop up on comments to appear on the Newbie Mentor screens for others to see.
For the future of eve we need not just us regular bar flies but need blood to move the game forward. I personally hope EVE will be around in the distant future so I have something to play if I ever make it to retirement:)
In addition to this I feel that additional tutorial quests and and an expansion of the lvl 1 quests are needed to intice players to stay and play.
Please feel free to leave any helpful comments and suggestions as I think this is a good idea on a way forward for the game.
Frying Doom
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.03.10 03:48:00 -
[553] - Quote
Kimiko Nodachi wrote:No time to swap accts before I head off for the day.
Friendly bump to the top and confirmation of yet another Mr Epeen vote for Issler. tsk tsk tsk nice anime name One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
903
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Posted - 2012.03.10 04:30:00 -
[554] - Quote
I'll have to take your word for it. Can't stand the stuff. But feel free to enlighten us with what must be plenty of first hand knowledge.
And remember. A vote for Mittens is a vote for Mittens. A vote for Issler is a vote for EVE.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.03.10 04:45:00 -
[555] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:I'll have to take your word for it. Can't stand the stuff. But feel free to enlighten us with what must be plenty of first hand knowledge. And remember. A vote for Mittens is a vote for Mittens. A vote for Issler is a vote for EVE. Mr Epeen really? can you explain? cus to me is like seleen = industry + pvp leaning trebor = industry + hisec nonbloc leaning issler = industry + wis One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.10 04:52:00 -
[556] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:I'll have to take your word for it. Can't stand the stuff. But feel free to enlighten us with what must be plenty of first hand knowledge. And remember. A vote for Mittens is a vote for Mittens. A vote for Issler is a vote for EVE. Mr Epeen really? can you explain? cus to me is like seleen = industry + pvp leaning trebor = industry + hisec nonbloc leaning issler = industry + wis
Actually I would have gone for "And remember. A vote for Mittens is a vote for a community. A vote for Issler is a vote for the EVE community. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.03.10 08:43:00 -
[557] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:I'll have to take your word for it. Can't stand the stuff. But feel free to enlighten us with what must be plenty of first hand knowledge. And remember. A vote for Mittens is a vote for Mittens. A vote for Issler is a vote for EVE. Mr Epeen
just come clean and say vote for issler is all about the wis One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.10 09:58:00 -
[558] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: just come clean and say vote for issler is all about the wis
I noticed you really dodged the a vote for mittens there. Is this because a vote for mittens isn't a vote for eve? As it goes into in Sins of a spy master 75 http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/75 Goons are recruited from Somethingawful.com quite often before they have even commenced playing EVE. So goons are recruited outside the EVE community, then they are surrounded and nurtured by the Goonswarm fleet. Never having been real newbies or having been a part of the EVE community as a whole. This probably explains why a large part (I will admit not all) of the goonswarm fleet seem so different from us.
And on your post a vote for issler is not all about Wis, there is so much more to this game and she has made her opinions clear to all who look.
I will admit I myself would prefer a lot more done with Wis. That is due to my belief that Newbies are the way forward. If things stay as they are and CCP can see no expanding profits they may make the company public. Just so they can get the money and run, create another company and another game from the sale of this one. Lets face it if the numbers become static or fall (Especially as the company would be worth considerably more just after the release of Dust 514) they would be better off to sell the game to someone else. Then who knows what we might get this could even become Play 2 Win Yuck. |
Irokoi Purisukin
Prussia Group Meracom
0
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Posted - 2012.03.10 11:25:00 -
[559] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:[...yada, yada, yada...] I noticed you really dodged the a vote for mittens there. Is this because a vote for mittens isn't a vote for eve? As it goes into in Sins of a spy master 75 http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/75Goons are recruited from Somethingawful.com quite often before they have even commenced playing EVE. So goons are recruited outside the EVE community, then they are surrounded and nurtured by the Goonswarm fleet. [...yada, yada, yada...]
Thank you so much for the link, seriously. Now things make a lot more sense to me as the community I'm in was also created and existed long before any of us even cared for (or knew about) eve online. And while we do not engage in the sort of stuff the Goons do, now I understand where they're coming from... Interesting stuff!
Oh and sorry. I know the purpose of you posting that link wasn't to get this reaction. But I wouldn't worry as I'm sure I'm a minority and most people will give you what you were looking for. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.10 11:50:00 -
[560] - Quote
Irokoi Purisukin wrote:
Thank you so much for the link, seriously. Now things make a lot more sense to me as the community I'm in was also created and existed long before any of us even cared for (or knew about) eve online. And while we do not engage in the sort of stuff the Goons do, now I understand where they're coming from... Interesting stuff!
Oh and sorry. I know the purpose of you posting that link wasn't to get this reaction. But I wouldn't worry as I'm sure I'm a minority and most people will give you what you were looking for.
In all honesty no problem. I do strongly believe that knowledge is always a good thing. Most of the people I used to associate with from my text based game went to WOW then onto other games.
My concern with the way the Goons have it set up is they kind of remind me of those disgruntled US citizens that make their own little camps and call them selves revolutionary fighters. When all they really are, are a bunch of exclusionists who what to have their own society(Probably a bit of a strong analogy to be honest, but you get where Im going) and just try to distort main stream society where they can to fit their perception. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
310
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Posted - 2012.03.10 14:08:00 -
[561] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: just come clean and say vote for issler is all about the wis I noticed you really dodged the a vote for mittens there. Is this because a vote for mittens isn't a vote for eve? As it goes into in Sins of a spy master 75 http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/75Goons are recruited from Somethingawful.com quite often before they have even commenced playing EVE. So goons are recruited outside the EVE community, then they are surrounded and nurtured by the Goonswarm fleet. Never having been real newbies or having been a part of the EVE community as a whole. This probably explains why a large part (I will admit not all) of the goonswarm fleet seem so different from us. And on your post a vote for issler is not all about Wis, there is so much more to this game and she has made her opinions clear to all who look. I will admit I myself would prefer a lot more done with Wis. That is due to my belief that Newbies are the way forward. If things stay as they are and CCP can see no expanding profits they may decide to sell the game or focus on another game again like they did before with Dust and World of Darkness.. Then who knows what will happen to the game it might even become Pay 2 Win Yuck.
Interesting post by Mittens, that translates as: EVE favors the kind of people who don't need EVE for anything, thus can kill it without any personal consequence. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.10 14:28:00 -
[562] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Interesting post by Mittens, that translates as: EVE favors the kind of people who don't need EVE for anything, thus can kill it without any personal consequence.
So to translate your translation what your saying is Mittens does care about the future of EVE.
Oh and BTW where did you get your populations demographics data the only one I can find is the 2010 4th quarter report that says 11.26% Null space population. Very strange that the Null population prior to December 2010 was never changed much but now your stating it almost doubled in the last 12 months. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
310
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Posted - 2012.03.10 14:51:00 -
[563] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Interesting post by Mittens, that translates as: EVE favors the kind of people who don't need EVE for anything, thus can kill it without any personal consequence.
So to translate your translation what your saying is Mittens does care about the future of EVE. Oh and BTW where did you get your populations demographics data the only one I can find is the 2010 4th quarter report that says 11.26% Null space population. Very strange that the Null population prior to December 2010 was never changed much but now your stating it almost doubled in the last 12 months.
Mittens worries about the SA community, namely the Goonwaffe. He's proud of it. But then Goonwaffe are less than 3% of the player base.
As for the population numbers, CCP Diagoras tweeted them, somebody quoted him, and I quote the guy who quoted CCP Diagora's tweet. Very sound data sourcing, CCP style.
The data are from october 2011, IIRC. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Takashi Kaeda
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.03.10 18:30:00 -
[564] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Interesting post by Mittens, that translates as: EVE favors the kind of people who don't need EVE for anything, thus can kill it without any personal consequence.
So to translate your translation what your saying is Mittens does care about the future of EVE. Oh and BTW where did you get your populations demographics data the only one I can find is the 2010 4th quarter report that says 11.26% Null space population. Very strange that the Null population prior to December 2010 was never changed much but now your stating it almost doubled in the last 12 months. Mittens worries about the SA community, namely the Goonwaffe. He's proud of it. But then Goonwaffe are less than 3% of the player base. As for the population numbers, CCP Diagoras tweeted them, somebody quoted him, and I quote the guy who quoted CCP Diagora's tweet. Very sound data sourcing, CCP style. The data are from october 2011, IIRC.
Except you are too ******** to distinguish characters from players. But please, continue.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
310
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Posted - 2012.03.10 19:11:00 -
[565] - Quote
Takashi Kaeda wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Interesting post by Mittens, that translates as: EVE favors the kind of people who don't need EVE for anything, thus can kill it without any personal consequence.
So to translate your translation what your saying is Mittens does care about the future of EVE. Oh and BTW where did you get your populations demographics data the only one I can find is the 2010 4th quarter report that says 11.26% Null space population. Very strange that the Null population prior to December 2010 was never changed much but now your stating it almost doubled in the last 12 months. Mittens worries about the SA community, namely the Goonwaffe. He's proud of it. But then Goonwaffe are less than 3% of the player base. As for the population numbers, CCP Diagoras tweeted them, somebody quoted him, and I quote the guy who quoted CCP Diagora's tweet. Very sound data sourcing, CCP style. The data are from october 2011, IIRC. Except you are too ******** to distinguish characters from players. But please, continue.
How original argument. Wait a minute, I look for the answer from the FAQ:
- The argument that "characters don't equal players" can be used in both directions: characters in hisec or nullsec can be randomly claimed to be alts to players mainly living on the other side of the divide. This doesn't dimishes the argument that players choose to place most of their characters in hisec.
Any more questions? EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.10 23:11:00 -
[566] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Mittens worries about the SA community, namely the Goonwaffe. He's proud of it. But then Goonwaffe are less than 3% of the player base.
As for the population numbers, CCP Diagoras tweeted them, somebody quoted him, and I quote the guy who quoted CCP Diagora's tweet. Very sound data sourcing, CCP style.
The data are from october 2011, IIRC.
This I will admit is why I have concerns for Goons in the CSM they are only interested in the SA community, they rarely interact with the rest of us. Unless its in a blob fleet. Does sort of show if your not a Goon and you voted for mittens your a fool.
Oh I found the Quote from CCP Diagoras it was in 29th of Feb Locations of active chars with more than 5m SP just after midnight: High Sec 66.00%, Low sec 7.37%, Null sec 20.73%, Wormhole Space 5.89%
So that at least explains the difference in figures, the ones I have include characters below 5 million SP yours don't. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.03.11 00:09:00 -
[567] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:This I will admit is why I have concerns for Goons in the CSM they are only interested in the SA community, they rarely interact with the rest of us. Unless its in a blob fleet. Does sort of show if your not a Goon and you voted for mittens your a fool.
The entire history of Goonfleet/waffe/whatever in 0.0 has came about because of working with people that have no connection at all to SA, and that continues to this day. Your theory is dumb. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.11 00:20:00 -
[568] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:This I will admit is why I have concerns for Goons in the CSM they are only interested in the SA community, they rarely interact with the rest of us. Unless its in a blob fleet. Does sort of show if your not a Goon and you voted for mittens your a fool.
The entire history of Goonfleet/waffe/whatever in 0.0 has came about because of working with people that have no connection at all to SA, and that continues to this day. Your theory is dumb.
So what your saying is that what The Mittani wrote is wrong or is he just incompetent.
http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/75
"Goonswarm is the first and largest example of a community-born group. Goonswarm hails from Somethingawful.com"
I got my facts from the horses mouth as it were, where are you getting yours from? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.03.11 00:46:00 -
[569] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:[So what your saying is that what The Mittani wrote is wrong or is he just incompetent. http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/75"Goonswarm is the first and largest example of a community-born group. Goonswarm hails from Somethingawful.com" I got my facts from the horses mouth as it were, where are you getting yours from?
You are aware that we have allies, right? Always have? Always will? Hint: they're not from SA. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
910
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Posted - 2012.03.11 01:10:00 -
[570] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:[So what your saying is that what The Mittani wrote is wrong or is he just incompetent. http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/75"Goonswarm is the first and largest example of a community-born group. Goonswarm hails from Somethingawful.com" I got my facts from the horses mouth as it were, where are you getting yours from? You are aware that we have allies, right? Always have? Always will? Hint: they're not from SA.
Hmm...
Brand new alt.
What do we have here? Bee without a clue? Damage control? Or distraction?
Never know with these guys.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.11 01:12:00 -
[571] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:[So what your saying is that what The Mittani wrote is wrong or is he just incompetent. http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/75"Goonswarm is the first and largest example of a community-born group. Goonswarm hails from Somethingawful.com" I got my facts from the horses mouth as it were, where are you getting yours from? You are aware that we have allies, right? Always have? Always will? Hint: they're not from SA.
Yes I am aware that you have allies and they are not from SA but goons are different due to the fact they are really not part of the EVE culture. I stated that I was concerned about Goons on the CSM as they are not part of the EVE community, and The Mittani backs me up
As The Mittani stated "What makes a pilot in Goonswarm alien compared to the rest of the so-called GÇÿEVE communityGÇÖ? The answer is community itself - external community, independent from Eve Online. As the game has matured, there are now two classes of player, radically different in mindset - the EVE-born and the community-born. "
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Takashi Kaeda
Perkone Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.03.11 02:03:00 -
[572] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Takashi Kaeda wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Interesting post by Mittens, that translates as: EVE favors the kind of people who don't need EVE for anything, thus can kill it without any personal consequence.
So to translate your translation what your saying is Mittens does care about the future of EVE. Oh and BTW where did you get your populations demographics data the only one I can find is the 2010 4th quarter report that says 11.26% Null space population. Very strange that the Null population prior to December 2010 was never changed much but now your stating it almost doubled in the last 12 months. Mittens worries about the SA community, namely the Goonwaffe. He's proud of it. But then Goonwaffe are less than 3% of the player base. As for the population numbers, CCP Diagoras tweeted them, somebody quoted him, and I quote the guy who quoted CCP Diagora's tweet. Very sound data sourcing, CCP style. The data are from october 2011, IIRC. Except you are too ******** to distinguish characters from players. But please, continue. How original argument. Wait a minute, I look for the answer from the FAQ: - The argument that "characters don't equal players" can be used in both directions: characters in hisec or nullsec can be randomly claimed to be alts to players mainly living on the other side of the divide. This doesn't dimishes the argument that players choose to place most of their characters in hisec.Any more questions?
Except that if you stop to think how EVE is structured for just a second you'd realize what a wet paper bag your argument is and why most characters are in nullsec..
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
269
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Posted - 2012.03.11 02:25:00 -
[573] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Yes I am aware that you have allies and they are not from SA but goons are different due to the fact they are really not part of the EVE culture. I stated that I was concerned about Goons on the CSM as they are not part of the EVE community, and The Mittani backs me up
As The Mittani stated "What makes a pilot in Goonswarm alien compared to the rest of the so-called GÇÿEVE communityGÇÖ? The answer is community itself - external community, independent from Eve Online. As the game has matured, there are now two classes of player, radically different in mindset - the EVE-born and the community-born. "
Hahaha, check out this space nativism. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.11 02:50:00 -
[574] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Yes I am aware that you have allies and they are not from SA but goons are different due to the fact they are really not part of the EVE culture. I stated that I was concerned about Goons on the CSM as they are not part of the EVE community, and The Mittani backs me up
As The Mittani stated "What makes a pilot in Goonswarm alien compared to the rest of the so-called GÇÿEVE communityGÇÖ? The answer is community itself - external community, independent from Eve Online. As the game has matured, there are now two classes of player, radically different in mindset - the EVE-born and the community-born. "
Hahaha, check out this space nativism.
Not quite sure what your getting at there. Will admit would be nice if you used an alt that was at least 60 days old or better yet showed who you really were. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
269
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Posted - 2012.03.11 03:00:00 -
[575] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Not quite sure what your getting at there. Will admit would be nice if you used an alt that was at least 60 days old or better yet showed who you really were.
Would be nice if you used an alt with more than 4 likes. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.03.11 03:10:00 -
[576] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Not quite sure what your getting at there. Will admit would be nice if you used an alt that was at least 60 days old or better yet showed who you really were.
Would be nice if you used an alt with more than 4 likes.
Actually not an alt. Sorry to disappoint. Hell if my alts had this many SP I would be laughing. I only have 4 likes as I don't involve myself in trivial issues. Most things I post about are the CSM and things like botting or the lovely Sumer of Rage. But I spose I should thank you for allowing me to continue on my 10,000 hours of practice. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.03.11 09:45:00 -
[577] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: just come clean and say vote for issler is all about the wis I noticed you really dodged the a vote for mittens there. Is this because a vote for mittens isn't a vote for eve? As it goes into in Sins of a spy master 75 http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/75Goons are recruited from Somethingawful.com quite often before they have even commenced playing EVE. So goons are recruited outside the EVE community, then they are surrounded and nurtured by the Goonswarm fleet. Never having been real newbies or having been a part of the EVE community as a whole. This probably explains why a large part (I will admit not all) of the goonswarm fleet seem so different from us. And on your post a vote for issler is not all about Wis, there is so much more to this game and she has made her opinions clear to all who look. I will admit I myself would prefer a lot more done with Wis. That is due to my belief that Newbies are the way forward. If things stay as they are and CCP can see no expanding profits they may decide to sell the game or focus on another game again like they did before with Dust and World of Darkness.. Then who knows what will happen to the game it might even become Pay 2 Win Yuck. Interesting post by Mittens, that translates as: EVE favors the kind of people who don't need EVE for anything, thus can kill it without any personal consequence. oh yes the important voice of the greater I and F Taxation Trust community, which translate into hey guys check out my new space barbie avatar Mr. Epeen do you like it?
confirming the goons are going to kill eve online and along with it all the ingame sov, assets and out of game web infrastructure, just for some goddamn giggles because we are the kind of people who don't need EVE for anything, thus can kill it without any personal consequence.
oh and i voted for the mittani because he is mankind's last salvation against the scourge of frivolous frill avatar social gaming emote nongameplay. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.03.11 09:47:00 -
[578] - Quote
oh and, Indahmawar Fazmarai why don't you tell us a bit more on that emoting and dance thing that you really want because without it eve is really dying. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.11 10:18:00 -
[579] - Quote
issler issler issler how many of your votes are dirty like this
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...)
Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that.
Adaris wrote:I would very much like if the short term focus for Incarna was on a three-fold approach:
- Avatar expression (emote system) - Avatar customization (clothes, tattoos, hair styles, body elements etc) - Avatar socializing (facilitating more avatars being in the same location as one another)
Customization, for the most part is stand-alone. Expression is tied to socializing though, so the issue with the graphical demands of having multiple avatars in the same location needs to be addressed. If we can get a system whereby the facility to invite a set amount of avatars to the same location is possible, then much has been achieved for future iteration.
I would talk about what type of environments and activities should follow these three themes, but that should be considered more long term, especially with just one Dev Team assigned right now.
I am unsure if the current team has the technical expertise to address the issues of having multiple avatars occupy the same CQs though, but perhaps the expansion of expression through emotes (likely through the chat system) could follow alongside the continued work on avatar customization.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1787
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Posted - 2012.03.11 10:28:00 -
[580] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Mr Epeen
Still signing your posts, still jealous of Mittens.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.03.11 11:06:00 -
[581] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Mr Epeen Still signing your posts, still jealous of Mittens.
Hell I am He has an army of sheep at his disposal, massive amounts of isk and a huge trek of space to call his own.
As the top member of his Politburo he has a lot to be jealous of.
I may not like his politics or style but you have to love what he has got for himself and the other members of his politburo. Also the players I suppose that would be the members of the Goon Socialist-Democratic Workers Party, haven't fared to badly either. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
308
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Posted - 2012.03.11 15:04:00 -
[582] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Yes I am aware that you have allies and they are not from SA but goons are different due to the fact they are really not part of the EVE culture. I stated that I was concerned about Goons on the CSM as they are not part of the EVE community, and The Mittani backs me up
You might have missed the way that the "Goon Culture" has basically infected the rest of Eve at this stage - you can't throw a stone in this game without it hitting some guy calling another guy a Pubbie, or talking about a Failure Cascade or Internet Spaceships and how they are Serious Business. ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
912
|
Posted - 2012.03.11 18:56:00 -
[583] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Mr Epeen Still signing your posts, still jealous of Mittens.
A vote for mittens is a vote for mittens. A vote for Issler is a vote for EVE.
To the top and confirming I will be shortly logging in acct five and six to cast my votes for EVE and not ego.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Carl Thunderthise
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.11 19:08:00 -
[584] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:
Actually I would have gone for "And remember. A vote for Mittens is a vote for a community. A vote for Issler is a vote for the EVE community.
True! My vote is placed. Go Issler!
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Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.11 22:28:00 -
[585] - Quote
Issler is running for a place on the CSM for the right reasons - the idea that all the diverse activities players do in EVE and all the areas of the game should be represented to CCP as they go forward developing this game we like. I don't see how that could be a bad thing at all. She may or may not agree with an idea, but at least she'll listen to it without contempt... |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.11 23:20:00 -
[586] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:A vote for mittens is a vote for mittens. A vote for Issler is a vote for EVE. To the top and confirming I will be shortly logging in acct five and six to cast my votes for EVE and not ego. Mr Epeen
A vote for Issler is a vote for space barbie faggotry.
Using long words doesn't change the fact that she (he?) supports anti-eve crap. We need a strong csm who can keep ccp focused on eve, and not making another captains quarters to show off in ads. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2587
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 00:09:00 -
[587] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Mr Epeen Still signing your posts, still jealous of Mittens. A vote for mittens is a vote for mittens. A vote for Issler is a vote for EVE. To the top and confirming I will be shortly logging in acct five and six to cast my votes for EVE and not ego. Mr Epeen thanks for wasting your votes on a pubbie with no chance whatsoever goonswarm appreciates you taking those votes out of the pool |
Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 00:10:00 -
[588] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote: A vote for Issler is a vote for space barbie faggotry.
Using long words doesn't change the fact that she (he?) supports anti-eve crap. We need a strong csm who can keep ccp focused on eve, and not making another captains quarters to show off in ads.
"Long words"?....sorry... Issler is a she. Sure don't have to look very hard to see the hate being thrown around. Please, keep it up, you are painting a clear picture.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
916
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 00:18:00 -
[589] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Mr Epeen Still signing your posts, still jealous of Mittens. A vote for mittens is a vote for mittens. A vote for Issler is a vote for EVE. To the top and confirming I will be shortly logging in acct five and six to cast my votes for EVE and not ego. Mr Epeen thanks for wasting your votes on a pubbie with no chance whatsoever goonswarm appreciates you taking those votes out of the pool
No... thank you!
You and all the other little bees fearfully buzzing around this thread trying desperately to discredit the only balanced candidate. All you are really accomplishing is drawing more and more attention to her platform and showing mittens cowering behind his army of shitposting alts.
You're not doing yourselves any favors but keep it up because you are doing favors for others.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 00:31:00 -
[590] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes I am aware that you have allies and they are not from SA but goons are different due to the fact they are really not part of the EVE culture. I stated that I was concerned about Goons on the CSM as they are not part of the EVE community, and The Mittani backs me up You might have missed the way that the "Goon Culture" has basically infected the rest of Eve at this stage - you can't throw a stone in this game without it hitting some guy calling another guy a Pubbie, or talking about a Failure Cascade or Internet Spaceships and how they are Serious Business.
Yes a few minor quotes have made it out of Goon swarm. Yes Internet spaceships are serious business. Very Serious, which is a very good reason for Goons to be in the minority .
I suppose I would consider Goons a more reasonable idea, if you ever heard a reasonable percentage of Goonswarm disagreeing with Mittens rather than all of the members of the Goon Socialist-Democratic Workers Party, towing the party line.
Why is that comrade? Do you get shot for treason? |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 01:22:00 -
[591] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:I suppose I would consider Goons a more reasonable idea, if you ever heard a reasonable percentage of Goonswarm disagreeing with Mittens rather than all of the members of the Goon Socialist-Democratic Workers Party, towing the party line.
Why is that comrade? Do you get shot for treason?
This of course makes the ridiculous assumption that Mittens' ideas are 100% his own concoction and have nothing to do with elements of the game that the literal thousands of pilots that fly under his coalition banner encounter every day. That's just silly though! |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
269
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 01:23:00 -
[592] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Goon Socialist-Democratic Workers Party
You say that like it's a bad thing. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 01:32:00 -
[593] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I suppose I would consider Goons a more reasonable idea, if you ever heard a reasonable percentage of Goonswarm disagreeing with Mittens rather than all of the members of the Goon Socialist-Democratic Workers Party, towing the party line.
Why is that comrade? Do you get shot for treason? This of course makes the ridiculous assumption that Mittens' ideas are 100% his own concoction and have nothing to do with elements of the game that the literal thousands of pilots that fly under his coalition banner encounter every day.
Yes I'm sure the other members of the politburo help on his ideas.
As one of the members of your collective describes here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=922618#post922618
If you don't tow the party line your banned from forums and left out in the cold to rot. Yes very democratic. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 01:37:00 -
[594] - Quote
I should be upset that someone's pulling back the curtain on how we really do operate, but in all honesty, that guy's going to get disappeared, so I really just kind of feel sorry for his friends. Figures you'd use this to gloat, though. Have you no shame? He literally stakes his life to get the truth out, and do you offer help to those of us who are trapped? No, you gloat like the shameless self-absorbed publord scum that you are.
How do you even sleep at night? |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
190
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 01:55:00 -
[595] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:I should be upset that someone's pulling back the curtain on how we really do operate, but in all honesty, that guy's going to get disappeared, so I really just kind of feel sorry for his friends. Figures you'd use this to gloat, though. Have you no shame? He literally stakes his life to get the truth out, and do you offer help to those of us who are trapped? No, you gloat like the shameless self-absorbed publord scum that you are. How do you even sleep at night? heh must have been a space barbie lovin deviant
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 02:22:00 -
[596] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:I should be upset that someone's pulling back the curtain on how we really do operate, but in all honesty, that guy's going to get disappeared, so I really just kind of feel sorry for his friends. Figures you'd use this to gloat, though. Have you no shame? He literally stakes his life to get the truth out, and do you offer help to those of us who are trapped? No, you gloat like the shameless self-absorbed publord scum that you are. How do you even sleep at night?
Actually I feel a great sense of honor to know that people with Morals do exist in the Goonswarm. Ok he wont be existing for long. But this is besides the point.
Due to his courage we now know that when The Mittani talks of a mandate from the people. He is full of it. "Mandate (politics), the power granted by an electorate" Its hardly granted by an electorate if you have forced them to vote in a specific way.
Frankly behavior like this is really beneath the CSM. I really does make the CSM into a joke. You expect some forms of devious behavior from CSM candidates (Like the email spam) but Extorting votes should really be against the rules of the CSM election it is vote fixing.
Extortion (also called shakedown, outwresting, and exaction) is a criminal offence which occurs when a person unlawfully obtains either money, property or services from a person(s), entity, or institution, through coercion. Refraining from doing harm is sometimes euphemistically called protection. Extortion is commonly practiced by organized crime groups. The actual obtainment of money or property is not required to commit the offense. Making a threat of violence which refers to a requirement of a payment of money or property to halt future violence is sufficient to commit the offense. Exaction refers not only to extortion or the unlawful demanding and obtaining of something through force,[1] but additionally, in its formal definition, means the infliction of something such as pain and suffering or making somebody endure something unpleasant. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 02:36:00 -
[597] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Frankly behavior like this is really beneath the CSM. I really does make the CSM into a joke. You expect some forms of devious behavior from CSM candidates (Like the email spam) but Extorting votes should really be against the rules of the CSM election it is vote fixing.
You don't get this, do you? This goes so far beyond the CSM and extorting votes. Everything, EVERYTHING any of us do is solely for Mittani's benefit. Every anomaly, every asteroid mined (yes, he forces us to mine - I think it's just for his amusement), every last scrap of loot from whatever PVP success we fall backwards into - it ALL goes to him. Him personally, too, not the corp, or the alliance. The CSM is just another vanity project for him.
Life is hell in this alliance. We get nothing, are forced to fly ships we don't want to fly, forced to fight for regions and moons we see absolutely no benefit from, forced to rat, forced to mine. Some poor sacks are even forced to SCAM - can you imagine how degrading that is? None of us have a choice. Some of us yearn to be a part of something else, but there's fear - he has spies all over. Many, many people would sell out anyone for his favor. I shouldn't even be saying any of this, but I just don't care anymore. At this point, getting kicked and hunted until I have nothing left would be putting me out of my misery.
Please, help spread the word. There's probably no hope, but people need to learn ~the truth~ about him, and about us. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1790
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 02:55:00 -
[598] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I suppose I would consider Goons a more reasonable idea, if you ever heard a reasonable percentage of Goonswarm disagreeing with Mittens rather than all of the members of the Goon Socialist-Democratic Workers Party, towing the party line.
Why is that comrade? Do you get shot for treason? This of course makes the ridiculous assumption that Mittens' ideas are 100% his own concoction and have nothing to do with elements of the game that the literal thousands of pilots that fly under his coalition banner encounter every day. Yes I'm sure the other members of the politburo help on his ideas. As one of the members of your collective describes here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=922618#post922618If you don't tow the party line your banned from forums and left out in the cold to rot. Yes very democratic.
Look at you falling for trolls.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 03:10:00 -
[599] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I suppose I would consider Goons a more reasonable idea, if you ever heard a reasonable percentage of Goonswarm disagreeing with Mittens rather than all of the members of the Goon Socialist-Democratic Workers Party, towing the party line.
Why is that comrade? Do you get shot for treason? This of course makes the ridiculous assumption that Mittens' ideas are 100% his own concoction and have nothing to do with elements of the game that the literal thousands of pilots that fly under his coalition banner encounter every day. Yes I'm sure the other members of the politburo help on his ideas. As one of the members of your collective describes here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=922618#post922618If you don't tow the party line your banned from forums and left out in the cold to rot. Yes very democratic. Look at you falling for trolls.
Yes Snow Axe is a troll but this doesn't lessen the extortion and vote rigging apparently committed by The Mittani in this election. Personally I believe he should be removed from the Ballot for attempting to destroy a democratic process. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
190
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 03:16:00 -
[600] - Quote
confirming the mittani is forcing me to vote for spaceships instead of pants and emoting One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 03:17:00 -
[601] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Yes Snow Axe is a troll but this doesn't lessen the extortion and vote rigging apparently committed by The Mittani in this election. Personally I believe he should be removed from the Ballot for attempting to destroy a democratic process.
Right, I'm the troll but that other guy who confirms all of your crazy publord conspiracy theories is 100% on the level. What color is the sky in your world? |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 03:36:00 -
[602] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes Snow Axe is a troll but this doesn't lessen the extortion and vote rigging apparently committed by The Mittani in this election. Personally I believe he should be removed from the Ballot for attempting to destroy a democratic process. Right, I'm the troll but that other guy who confirms all of your crazy publord conspiracy theories is 100% on the level. What color is the sky in your world?
Yes you do seem to troll a lot. But yes I do believe that the 1 goon who spoke out against extortion by your CEO was telling the truth. This I will admit I believe more by your and the other goons who are either attacking the guy or pretending it didn't exist. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 03:49:00 -
[603] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Yes you do seem to troll a lot. But yes I do believe that the 1 goon who spoke out against extortion by your CEO was telling the truth. This I will admit I believe more by your and the other goons who are either attacking the guy or pretending it didn't exist.
Of course you believe it, it confirms your crackpot theories to the letter. Quick, come up with some more theories so they can be "confirmed" by someone else! |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 03:54:00 -
[604] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes you do seem to troll a lot. But yes I do believe that the 1 goon who spoke out against extortion by your CEO was telling the truth. This I will admit I believe more by your and the other goons who are either attacking the guy or pretending it didn't exist. Of course you believe it, it confirms your crackpot theories to the letter. Quick, come up with some more theories so they can be "confirmed" by someone else!
Yes yes yes Snow Axe, it was a weather balloon. Personally I didn't come up with the theory. A member of your own alliance did. So please try to keep up :) |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2587
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 04:30:00 -
[605] - Quote
that goon has come to his senses and has renounced that silly troll |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2587
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 04:30:00 -
[606] - Quote
he is cheerful, happy, in wonderful spirits |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 04:52:00 -
[607] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:he is cheerful, happy, in wonderful spirits
In strange relation to another post you look exactly like what I would expect from a Goon Psychologist |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 07:24:00 -
[608] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes Snow Axe is a troll but this doesn't lessen the extortion and vote rigging apparently committed by The Mittani in this election. Personally I believe he should be removed from the Ballot for attempting to destroy a democratic process. Right, I'm the troll but that other guy who confirms all of your crazy publord conspiracy theories is 100% on the level. What color is the sky in your world? Yes you do seem to troll a lot. But yes I do believe that the 1 goon who spoke out against extortion by your CEO was telling the truth. This I will admit I believe more by your and the other goons who are either attacking the guy or pretending it didn't exist.
I feel I owe Snow Axe an apology for calling him a troll his advice was very helpful in relation to the mentor program I have been working on. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2354
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 07:41:00 -
[609] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:You and all the other little bees fearfully buzzing around this thread trying desperately to discredit the only balanced candidate.
the roleplaying incarna lover is the only "balanced candidate"
'heh' "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 09:02:00 -
[610] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:confirming the mittani is forcing me to vote for spaceships instead of pants and emoting
Just google 'themacuser' if you want to see the real Issler. Only someone like that would genuinely want more Incarna. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2356
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 09:06:00 -
[611] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:confirming the mittani is forcing me to vote for spaceships instead of pants and emoting Just google 'themacuser' if you want to see the real Issler. Only someone like that would genuinely want more Incarna.
if you're trying to mislead a goon to look at an outdated shock image you /really/ need to try harder than that "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 11:37:00 -
[612] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote: heh must have been a space barbie lovin deviant
I am curious as to the goons many references to Space barbies. Your own Alliance CEO The Mittani has stated "The fact is that Incarna was a good idea, even if the execution was utterly botched."
Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7!
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
162
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 11:44:00 -
[613] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: heh must have been a space barbie lovin deviant
I am curious as to the goons many references to Space barbies. Your own Alliance CEO The Mittani has stated "The fact is that Incarna was a good idea, even if the execution was utterly botched." The good idea of incarna was establishments of casinos with blackjack and hookers. Where we would degrade ans spend all our earned isk.
not the "drop da panties" incarna with monocles. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 11:50:00 -
[614] - Quote
Red Templar wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: heh must have been a space barbie lovin deviant
I am curious as to the goons many references to Space barbies. Your own Alliance CEO The Mittani has stated "The fact is that Incarna was a good idea, even if the execution was utterly botched." The good idea of incarna was establishments of casinos with blackjack and hookers. Where we would degrade ans spend all our earned isk. not the "drop da panties" incarna with monocles.
Ok well you will get no argument from me on the stupidity of the Nex vanity goods and there rediculous prices. Personally I agree with the ideas of casinos and hookers So why are so many people against Wis now? If it were possible to have the good things with out the stupid stuff, why not put some resources into it? Especially as it would entice more newbies to the game, giving CCP a bigger budget again and allowing them to fix our spaceships. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7!
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 11:53:00 -
[615] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Taiwanistan wrote: heh must have been a space barbie lovin deviant
I am curious as to the goons many references to Space barbies. Your own Alliance CEO The Mittani has stated "The fact is that Incarna was a good idea, even if the execution was utterly botched." yeah it was a good idea, i was once a believer, they had one shot and they blew it. they displeased me, they had to get my rage on, you don't put a cash shop up front, with no goddamn gameplay. no you put in some gameplay you make me feel like there's some semblance of a reason to do this walking stuff, then you introduce the cash shop and if i feel like it, i will buy some crap.
and with the way team avatar is going, how they are not able to produce even "words" on what gameplay will be, the only gameplay i saw was the word "gameplay" in the whole goddamn devblog. i say keep it on slow burn for the foreseeable future or hell, shitcan it i don't care, because i don't want them to keep putting out useless frivolous crap on new plates serving it up like it's some new and compelling, it's still just goddamn crap.
yet here we are with pants-crazed issler still wanting that crap, unacceptable. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.12 11:55:00 -
[616] - Quote
Why waste resources on a gimmick - that is all WiS is, even with casinos - when there is so much that needs fixing in the actual game itself. Emperor mittens understands this and will make ccp stay focused on what actually needs doing, even if he is a douchebag, so is more worthy of a vote than someone who will encourage ccp to go after new gimmicks, adding more broken half hearted features for the csm to shout at ccp about. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 12:29:00 -
[617] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Why waste resources on a gimmick - that is all WiS is, even with casinos - when there is so much that needs fixing in the actual game itself. Emperor mittens understands this and will make ccp stay focused on what actually needs doing, even if he is a douchebag, so is more worthy of a vote than someone who will encourage ccp to go after new gimmicks, adding more broken half hearted features for the csm to shout at ccp about.
I personally don't see Wis as a gimmick, if done right it would be a very valuable source to retain new players of the game. And doing first person missions would be interesting. No I don't think super expensive clothes and monocles should have anything to do with it. I do agree EVE has way too many unfinished or bugged parts, the one that always comes to my mind is POS's. I'm not suggesting they should be made a priority but the code is so badly done there.
As to Mittens I personally don't think he is a douchebag, but he also doesn't need votes either, with the goon block vote he is in the Top 7 easily. The thing that CSM 6 have done (iterative ship balance, Time Dilation, hybrid and Gallente fixes, supercap nerfs, and assault frigates) have done a lot for null sec and pvp but nothing for nothing for Newbies and Industry.
But again as I have said my main concerns with the game are new players(CCP is a business, the more money they have the more they can do) and industry. Between the bots, the RMT and everything else its very hard to be a miner.
I just had the fun over the last few months of some small gang pvp in NPC null, that seems to work fine and it as profitable to do pvp with one account than it was to mine using 4.
That is why I voted For Issler Dainze for CSM7! Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7!
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 12:50:00 -
[618] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: I personally don't see Wis as a gimmick, if done right it would be a very valuable source to retain new players of the game. And doing first person missions would be interesting. No I don't think super expensive clothes and monocles should have anything to do with it. I do agree EVE has way too many unfinished or bugged parts, the one that always comes to my mind is POS's. I'm not suggesting they should be made a priority but the code is so badly done there.
As to Mittens I personally don't think he is a douchebag, but he also doesn't need votes either, with the goon block vote he is in the Top 7 easily. The thing that CSM 6 have done (iterative ship balance, Time Dilation, hybrid and Gallente fixes, supercap nerfs, and assault frigates) have done a lot for null sec and pvp but nothing for nothing for Newbies and Industry.
But again as I have said my main concerns with the game are new players(CCP is a business, the more money they have the more they can do) and industry. Between the bots, the RMT and everything else its very hard to be a miner.
I just had the fun over the last few months of some small gang pvp in NPC null, that seems to work fine and it as profitable to do pvp with one account than it was to mine using 4.
That is why I voted For Issler Dainze for CSM7!
ccp has ruined all other mmos for me. there is no other mmo with this much complexity and depth, with very tangible consequences in-game and rich meta-gaming out of game. i expect the wis part of eve to be the same, anything less is not acceptable. so no, don't tell me that a virtual bar, corp room, guests at my cq, lap dancing hookers, new pants, a bunch of dudes emoting each other, poker minigame, smuggling (already being done with an orca in space), is compelling gameplay. if you feel that this sort of crap will amuse people for more than 1 hour and keep them subbed then i am sorry, nobody is that country-fried stupid.
the sooner the new players see what this game is, and not whatever standardized frills it is lacking the sooner the new player will begin their own paths in the game and start enjoying it. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 12:59:00 -
[619] - Quote
Yes I will admit I am about the same on other MMO's now I tried other MMO's since playing EVE but they just don't compare. The biggest problem is so few people actually stay. The learning Cliff in this game is a killer to a lot of players, the biggest problem is the number of players who don't see what the game is and just leave defeated.
I don't want some tacky add on for Wis myself, it has the possibility to be so much more. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7!
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
279
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Posted - 2012.03.12 14:49:00 -
[620] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Yes I will admit I am about the same on other MMO's now I tried other MMO's since playing EVE but they just don't compare. The biggest problem is so few people actually stay. The learning Cliff in this game is a killer to a lot of players, the biggest problem is the number of players who don't see what the game is and just leave defeated.
I don't want some tacky add on for Wis myself, it has the possibility to be so much more.
I'm seriousposting, this is not a troll. People leave because of the cultural reasons you were going on about earlier. Eve culture sucks. Really, it's terrible. Ironically, it is simultaneously elitist and appeals to the lowest common denominator. The most successful newbie oriented groups bring some other culture (any other culture) into this game. WiS won't fix that.
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Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
13
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Posted - 2012.03.12 23:26:00 -
[621] - Quote
Oh, brother... Issler does NOT want incarna....that's actually kind of the point... Silly politically-motivated attacks (Space pants! Space barbie! Space saturdaynightfeverinorbit! AAA!AAA!AAA!RUN!RUN!AIEEEE!) are just fear-mongering going for a gut reaction. |
Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
13
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Posted - 2012.03.12 23:37:00 -
[622] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote: Ironically, it is simultaneously elitist and appeals to the lowest common denominator.
This "pubbie" agrees with you there!
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.13 02:26:00 -
[623] - Quote
Ka P'lah wrote: Oh, brother... Issler does NOT want incarna....that's actually kind of the point... Silly politically-motivated attacks (Space pants! Space barbie! Space saturdaynightfeverinorbit! AAA!AAA!AAA!RUN!RUN!AIEEEE!) are just fear-mongering going for a gut reaction. then tell her to renounce the taint of wis One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.03.13 03:18:00 -
[624] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Ka P'lah wrote: Oh, brother... Issler does NOT want incarna....that's actually kind of the point... Silly politically-motivated attacks (Space pants! Space barbie! Space saturdaynightfeverinorbit! AAA!AAA!AAA!RUN!RUN!AIEEEE!) are just fear-mongering going for a gut reaction. then tell her to renounce the taint of wis As opposed to the Mittani's position "The fact is that Incarna was a good idea, even if the execution was utterly botched." Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7!
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.13 03:36:00 -
[625] - Quote
can you date that statement? i bet it was prior to June '11, i can find you many more statements, and voice recordings of The Mittani speaking on the question of spacepants. wis, what do you do with a lamed horse? you shoot it dead. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.03.13 03:44:00 -
[626] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:can you date that statement? i bet it was prior to June '11, i can find you many more statements, and voice recordings of The Mittani speaking on the question of spacepants. wis, what do you do with a lamed horse? you shoot it dead. Yes just over 1 moths prior to June 2011.
It also came with such wonderful statements like
"Yet Incarna is not something which we can ignore. Not only is it inevitable, it is a fundamental necessity if EVE is to achieve any status greater than that of an awkward niche MMO from a strange, sulfuric island where people eat sheepGÇÖs heads willingly and believe in elves." - The Mittani
Also
"Having sunk millions into buying White Wolf and developing a WoD MMO, the code for GÇÿwalking around with a pretty avatar amid beautiful environmentsGÇÖ is something which CCP is going to code come hell or high water;" - The Mittani
Or are you saying he has not the conviction to stand for what he believes?
Said it before, I will say it again Issler Dainze has consistently run on the same platform for years and hasn't changed her mind just because it would be better to gain voters. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7!
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.13 04:02:00 -
[627] - Quote
you said yourself that you hope wis to be more than some fluff. however when team avatar first surfaced in that thread and posted their plans, issler expressed blatant disdain for team avatar's wish to first outline the much needed gameplay concepts instead of rushing out some slapdash corp room which has no function other than 5 dudes emoting each other. if that is not full-on koreanized fluff pants-craze i don't know what is.
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.03.13 04:16:00 -
[628] - Quote
Ok I will agree I do generally come out on the offensive when ever I see the label Goonswarm
I admit, I would like to see a future for Wis, I honestly agree with those original statements of Mittens. I don't think it should be killed and as The Mittani points out they have outlayed millions on it. Bugger the Nex store.
It could and should be developed as Wis would make a great add on to EVE if done properly. But that's the big catch isn't it "If done Properly"
I don't believe it's a dead horse mostly due to the money CCP has put into it. Personally I think it should get a small development group to continue the work. Nothing large, definitely not anywhere near the size of what it was before with clothes designers and crap. Let them take their time and get it right, in 4 years the game will probably need a new lease on life and having a new game inside an already established one will give EVE the boost it needs to continue on for years more. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7!
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
16
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Posted - 2012.03.13 04:33:00 -
[629] - Quote
Can Issler tell us where the "Drop de Panties" button is? |
Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
13
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Posted - 2012.03.13 04:50:00 -
[630] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Ka P'lah wrote: Oh, brother... Issler does NOT want incarna....that's actually kind of the point... Silly politically-motivated attacks (Space pants! Space barbie! Space saturdaynightfeverinorbit! AAA!AAA!AAA!RUN!RUN!AIEEEE!) are just fear-mongering going for a gut reaction. then tell her to renounce the taint of wis
Uh...no...I won't be saying anything about renouncing WiS to anybody, 'cause the taint is with incarna as CCP disasterously passed it off on us - the taint is not on the idea of WiS itself. Incarna was / is not WiS, and people (ahem) shouldn't mistake the two as being the same. Issler, like most eve players, was very disappointed with incarna, and has said so many times and in (written) detail. CCP will be laying low awhile with their walking/ skimming around / driving / whatever in game efforts because of the huge player backlash over their horrible incarna junk, but I don't see them passing up making a bunch of money long-term (you know, them being a company and all). I think CCP rushing some half-baked stuff into the game to make money from expanding their base was one of the factors in them messing up so badly with incarna. I would rather not see any repeat of that sort of incarna mess. CCP is going to be at least laying the groundwork for whatever they are going to be doing in that area in the future (hopefully real WiS) now....seems to me that it would be in our, the players, interests to watch CCP's direction with (again, hopefully real) WiS through the CSM as much as is possible. With Issler's extensive real-world experience in computer graphics and working with design teams in the gaming area, as well as her interest in having all areas of EVE be fun for all the players - I don't know why we wouldn't want her on our player advisory council to CCP...
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SerratedX
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:30:00 -
[631] - Quote
Ka P'lah wrote: I don't know why we wouldn't want her on our player advisory council to CCP...
Maybe because she doesn't have a clue about nullsec or pvp in general.
Why would I vote for Issler when I could vote for Elise for example who has a much broader base of experience. He is an FC, CEO, has an alt industrial corp, has a titan alt.
What could Issler contribute to a discussion about:
Supercap balancing Moongoo rebalancing Nullsec sov improvements Lowsec improvements Faction Warfare
The answer is nothing. There are numerous other people running who have experience (even perhaps more than Issler) in industry, which is Isslers niche platform.
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:31:00 -
[632] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Can Issler tell us where the "Drop de Panties" button is?
I think that is a personal question between her and her significant other Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7!
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1102
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Posted - 2012.03.13 19:20:00 -
[633] - Quote
Again, thanks for all the support I've gotten!
The impressive increase in voting levels makes me think that at least some of the "long shot" candidates are going to surprise the CSM 6 legacy!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
12
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:21:00 -
[634] - Quote
SerratedX wrote:
Maybe because she doesn't have a clue about nullsec or pvp in general.
Yes because after a year of Null sec and PvP improvements to the game with bugger all else besides and even the next patch being mostly to do with PVP, we really need more of that.
CSM6, a catch phrase for the minority ignoring the majority. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7!
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
SerratedX
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:41:00 -
[635] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Yes because after a year of Null sec and PvP improvements to the game with bugger all else besides and even the next patch being mostly to do with PVP, we really need more of that.
This is just not true.
The dozens of fixes and features that CSM6 successfully pushed for have a ton on of things that make all eve players happier. Client optimization, POS fixes, new nebulae, engine trails, POCOs, anom balancing and the new neocom are just some examples. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
12
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:45:00 -
[636] - Quote
SerratedX wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Yes because after a year of Null sec and PvP improvements to the game with bugger all else besides and even the next patch being mostly to do with PVP, we really need more of that.
This is just not true. The dozens of fixes and features that CSM6 successfully pushed for have a ton on of things that make all eve players happier. Client optimization, POS fixes, new nebulae, engine trails, POCOs, anom balancing and the new neocom are just some examples.
Ok I must have Missed something. POS fixes, does this mean the code for the POS's works now and you can use an alliance POS for invention (As they we originally supposed to) or that the standings for the weapons systems works correctly now? Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7!
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
299
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:49:00 -
[637] - Quote
I'm pretty sure the rookie ship redesigns that are in today's release aren't something that really benefit null alliances and ~elite pvp~ types a whole lot. And yes, they were something CSM6 pushed for. Check the minutes.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1103
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:58:00 -
[638] - Quote
SerratedX wrote:Ka P'lah wrote: I don't know why we wouldn't want her on our player advisory council to CCP...
Maybe because she doesn't have a clue about nullsec or pvp in general. Why would I vote for Issler when I could vote for Elise for example who has a much broader base of experience. He is an FC, CEO, has an alt industrial corp, has a titan alt. What could Issler contribute to a discussion about: Supercap balancing Moongoo rebalancing Nullsec sov improvements Lowsec improvements Faction Warfare The answer is nothing. There are numerous other people running who have experience (even perhaps more than Issler) in industry, which is Isslers niche platform.
Lived in Syndicate for a year. Three months in the drone region.
Was in the alliance tourney twice. Finished the first time in the upper 3rd.
I run multiple moon POSs to support our very profitable T2 ship production.
Owned a tech moon for a year in Tasti.
I live in low sec and have for 80% of my time in Eve.
Spent hours in CSM 2 discussing ways to fix null sov (they did nothing we suggested).
Set up an alt corp for FW when it first came out. Ended up finding it not my thing.
Supercaps, never had one, so all I can offer is observations.
I am not just a miner, I've spent 8 years in Eve and have done most all there is at one time or another.
So thanks for giving me a time to remind everyone I am one of the most rounded and experienced candidates in the race!
Issler Danze The Miner's Friend but MORE!! Csm 7 Candidate
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1103
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Posted - 2012.03.14 00:02:00 -
[639] - Quote
SerratedX wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Yes because after a year of Null sec and PvP improvements to the game with bugger all else besides and even the next patch being mostly to do with PVP, we really need more of that.
This is just not true. The dozens of fixes and features that CSM6 successfully pushed for have a ton on of things that make all eve players happier. Client optimization, POS fixes, new nebulae, engine trails, POCOs, anom balancing and the new neocom are just some examples.
Hmm, lets look at that list.
Client optimization would have certainly happened without CSM 6.
There have been only small POS fixes and to claim that EVERY CSM since #1 hasn't been pusing for POS fixes is crazy talk.
I've and many others have been shouting to CCP about fixing the sky boxes for years, so not the CSM 6.
Engine trails were already promised to be coming back, not the CSM 6.
POCOs are here because of DUST, not the CSM 6.
Balancing and neocom improvements have also been discussed by every CSM and the player base at large, not the CSM 6.
So, in summary, nothing there we can credit the CSM 6 with.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1848
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Posted - 2012.03.14 02:47:00 -
[640] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Spent hours in CSM 2 discussing ways to fix null sov (they did nothing we suggested).
So unlike the members of CSM 6 who have a proven record of getting CCP to listen to them your record is having CCP ignore you.
What makes you think anything would be different if you were elected to CSM 7?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
12
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Posted - 2012.03.14 02:56:00 -
[641] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Spent hours in CSM 2 discussing ways to fix null sov (they did nothing we suggested).
So unlike the members of CSM 6 who have a proven record of getting CCP to listen to them your record is having CCP ignore you. What makes you think anything would be different if you were elected to CSM 7? It was not The Mittani or CSM 6 that got CCP to listen to them. It was pure fear and the player base. So many people cancelled their accounts and there was so much rage directed at the company, they had to listen or their profits would have continued to plummet and the CEO Hilmar Veigarwould have probably been fired. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7!
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2818
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:44:00 -
[642] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Spent hours in CSM 2 discussing ways to fix null sov (they did nothing we suggested).
So unlike the members of CSM 6 who have a proven record of getting CCP to listen to them your record is having CCP ignore you. What makes you think anything would be different if you were elected to CSM 7? It was not The Mittani or CSM 6 that got CCP to listen to them. It was pure fear and the player base. So many people cancelled their accounts and there was so much rage directed at the company, they had to listen or their profits would have continued to plummet and the CEO Hilmar Veigarwould have probably been fired.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80374
CCP does not listen to the CSM. Nope. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
12
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:06:00 -
[643] - Quote
Andski wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Spent hours in CSM 2 discussing ways to fix null sov (they did nothing we suggested).
So unlike the members of CSM 6 who have a proven record of getting CCP to listen to them your record is having CCP ignore you. What makes you think anything would be different if you were elected to CSM 7? It was not The Mittani or CSM 6 that got CCP to listen to them. It was pure fear and the player base. So many people cancelled their accounts and there was so much rage directed at the company, they had to listen or their profits would have continued to plummet and the CEO Hilmar Veigarwould have probably been fired. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80374 CCP does not listen to the CSM. Nope. So more Goonsheep logic.
How strange the article you refer to was posted on 2012.03.13 11:46 well after the Summer of Rage that forced CCP to communicate better. Communication with the CSM and the players increased after all the leaks, bad communication and down right idiocy of Incarna. Saying that CSM 6 forced CCP to communicate more, Is like blaming them for Incarna because they were the CSM in Office when it was released. CCP released it, it blew up in CCP's face and CCP learned they had to communicate better.
Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7!
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1853
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:16:00 -
[644] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Andski wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Spent hours in CSM 2 discussing ways to fix null sov (they did nothing we suggested).
So unlike the members of CSM 6 who have a proven record of getting CCP to listen to them your record is having CCP ignore you. What makes you think anything would be different if you were elected to CSM 7? It was not The Mittani or CSM 6 that got CCP to listen to them. It was pure fear and the player base. So many people cancelled their accounts and there was so much rage directed at the company, they had to listen or their profits would have continued to plummet and the CEO Hilmar Veigarwould have probably been fired. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80374 CCP does not listen to the CSM. Nope. So more Goonsheep logic. How strange the article you refer to was posted on 2012.03.13 11:46 well after the Summer of Rage that forced CCP to communicate better. Communication with the CSM and the players increased after all the leaks, bad communication and down right idiocy of Incarna. Saying that CSM 6 forced CCP to communicate more, Is like blaming them for Incarna because they were the CSM in Office when it was released. CCP released it, it blew up in CCP's face and CCP learned they had to communicate better.
Most of Incarna was developed during CSM 5. Right at the end of their term they sent an open letter to CCP warning them that it was all going to blow up.
CCP didn't start actually listening to the CSM until Mittens and the rest of CSM6 started talking to the gaming media during the summer of rage. Then CCP flew them to Iceland for an emergency summit and now the game is back on track. CCP has committed to working on space content, iterating current features and bug fixes and the outlook is great.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
12
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:28:00 -
[645] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP didn't start actually listening to the CSM until Mittens and the rest of CSM6 started talking to the gaming media during the summer of rage. Then CCP flew them to Iceland for an emergency summit and now the game is back on track. CCP has committed to working on space content, iterating current features and bug fixes and the outlook is great.
TBH the main thing I remember on the timing of CCP's sudden need to talk, was that the press release they issued, followed by the dreaded leaked Memo, all the while with the Treadnaught number on submission cancellations flying up. I think that the CSM was handy and that The Mittani if not so much managed to handle CCP but the players themselves. With articles like http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/63 and his other posts which calmed the masses. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7!
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:27:00 -
[646] - Quote
Remember a Vote for Issler Dainze is a vote for fairness in this Goonsheep tainted election. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2012.03.14 12:20:00 -
[647] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Remember a Vote for Issler Dainze is a vote for fairness in this Goonsheep tainted election.
tell me more about goonsheep taints
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1867
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Posted - 2012.03.14 12:37:00 -
[648] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP didn't start actually listening to the CSM until Mittens and the rest of CSM6 started talking to the gaming media during the summer of rage. Then CCP flew them to Iceland for an emergency summit and now the game is back on track. CCP has committed to working on space content, iterating current features and bug fixes and the outlook is great.
TBH the main thing I remember on the timing of CCP's sudden need to talk, was that the press release they issued, followed by the dreaded leaked Memo, all the while with the Treadnaught number on submission cancellations flying up. I think that the CSM was handy and that The Mittani if not so much managed to handle CCP but the players themselves. With articles like http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/63 and his other posts which calmed the masses.
So what you're saying is that The Mittani was able to convince CCP on how to proceed after the summer of rage *and* calm the playerbase down all at the same time? Sounds like a ringing endorsement to me. I'm not sure Issler appreciates all this praise heaped on Mittens in her thread, though.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.03.14 12:42:00 -
[649] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: So what you're saying is that The Mittani was able to convince CCP on how to proceed after the summer of rage *and* calm the playerbase down all at the same time? Sounds like a ringing endorsement to me. I'm not sure Issler appreciates all this praise heaped on Mittens in her thread, though.
Ahh more of Goonsheeps mindless drivel...
No what I'm saying is CCP used The Mittani. At that point I think they would have taken anyone...Oh wait they did. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1106
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:05:00 -
[650] - Quote
Miner's Unite!
We are going to make our voice heard in this election!
Thanks to everyone that has pledged their vote, we can show the power blocks the power of thousands of mining laser pointed in the same direction!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1896
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:15:00 -
[651] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: So what you're saying is that The Mittani was able to convince CCP on how to proceed after the summer of rage *and* calm the playerbase down all at the same time? Sounds like a ringing endorsement to me. I'm not sure Issler appreciates all this praise heaped on Mittens in her thread, though.
Ahh more of Goonsheeps mindless drivel...
I was responding to your post. I guess you are posting "Goonsheeps mindless drivel".
Issler, you never answered my question about how, if you are elected, your term on the CSM will be any different than your CSM 2 term where you were completely ignored. I think potential voters would be interested in hearing about that. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2716
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:20:00 -
[652] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Miner's Unite!
We are going to make our voice heard in this election!
Thanks to everyone that has pledged their vote, we can show the power blocks the power of thousands of mining laser pointed in the same direction!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate ahahaha you think you'll get thousands of votes |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1107
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:32:00 -
[653] - Quote
More goon bumps!!
Woot!
Miners Unite! Don't let some random goon claim you can't decide to better Eve for miners!
Vote your mind! Vote for your interests! Vote for the miner's Friend!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
204
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Posted - 2012.03.15 02:20:00 -
[654] - Quote
[quote=Issler Dainze]More goon bumps!!
Woot
Miners Unite! Don't let some random goon claim you can't decide to better Eve for miners
Vote your mind! Vote for your interests! Vote for the miner's Friend
Issler Dainz The Miner's Frien CSM 7 Candidat
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Issler please work with me, we are on the final step of exorcising the wis out of you, so that you may continue to carpetbag on mining issues.
Do you renounce wis and all the spiritual forces of wickedness that rebel against EVE Online? Do you renounce the frivolous multitudes that seek to corrupt and render astray the righteous path of Team Avatar? Do you renounce all sinful desires of emoting that draw you from the love of EVE Online? Do you turn to The Mittani and accept him as your esteemed Chairman? Do you put your whole trust in his grace and love? Do you promise to follow and obey him as your Chairman?
Credo in Spiritum Sanctum sanctam Ecclesiam catholicam, sanctorum communionem remissionem peccatorum carnis resurrectionem vitam aeternam Amen One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.15 10:44:00 -
[655] - Quote
Next Batter please. The last Goonsheep was stuck on Wis and it seem to have effected his thought process. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
207
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:55:00 -
[656] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Next Batter please. The last Goonsheep was stuck on Wis and it seem to have effected his thought process. it's too late for you, you've already voted, you barbie lover, but issler can still drop out, last chance for repentance. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:58:00 -
[657] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Next Batter please. The last Goonsheep was stuck on Wis and it seem to have effected his thought process. it's too late for you, you've already voted, you barbie lover, but issler can still drop out, last chance for repentance.
You afraid of one woman?
What a macho man |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
207
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Posted - 2012.03.15 12:13:00 -
[658] - Quote
afraid for her soul, for all souls of god's creations my child. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.15 12:54:00 -
[659] - Quote
This probably expains why this year and last year the Goons made such an attack on Issler.
As Trebor Daehdoow states in his post The Independent Voter's Guide to the CSM 7 Elections
Quote:One of the classic techniques used by bloc-candidate supporters to get people to waste votes is to engage in a massive trolling attack to generate both a huge thread and sympathy votes. This is probably happening in the campaign thread of Issler Dainze.
Maybe that explains it, the Goonswarm management or the the Goonsheep them selves are afraid of women, as to whether that is all women or ones in positions of authority this is yet to be known. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
907
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Posted - 2012.03.15 13:34:00 -
[660] - Quote
@ Frying Doom
I stole your signature. I hope that you don't have nothing against. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.15 13:36:00 -
[661] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:@ Frying Doom I stole your signature. I hope that you don't have nothing against. Not at all, share and enjoy. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
325
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:44:00 -
[662] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:@ Frying Doom I stole your signature. I hope that you don't have nothing against. Not at all, share and enjoy.
Stole it too and adapted it to mine.
Our cause is doomed, but let's fail with style! EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
Change that! Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2747
|
Posted - 2012.03.15 14:50:00 -
[663] - Quote
bump lets keep this vote blackhole going |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
208
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:12:00 -
[664] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:@ Frying Doom I stole your signature. I hope that you don't have nothing against. Not at all, share and enjoy. Stole it too and adapted it to mine. Our cause is doomed, but let's fail with style! yeah you go spread that herp around the like and get liked thread. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:26:00 -
[665] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:bump lets keep this vote blackhole going Yes as Issler isn't a bloc candidate she has no ability to rig an election.
Lets face it with the current cost of Plex at 483 million isk each at the time I write this, buying 5000 votes for a campaign is really expense coming out at 2,415,000,000,000.
But if you think about it its only being able to have 1250 people willing to each re-activate 3 old accounts and then just use their 4 accounts to vote. Only costing each person 1.45 Billion to guarantee your CEO is the chairman of the CSM. It really is chicken feed.
I don't consider Issler Dainze a voting black hole, but I do believe we need voting reform. They should change if from the age of the account, to the account needs to be active for a minimum of 60 prior to voting. This would prevent a lot of this election Rigging. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2750
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:28:00 -
[666] - Quote
ain't nothing gonna save you from the king of space soz
but keep being terrified we're buying the election rather than simply being the best organized and most enthusiastic group with the best candidate |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2753
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:55:00 -
[667] - Quote
i should also note the hilarity of "the mittani has 1250 people who will spend 1.5b each cheating him to victory out of their own pocket, but has no in-game people willing to vote for him" |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.15 16:09:00 -
[668] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:i should also note the hilarity of "the mittani has 1250 people who will spend 1.5b each cheating him to victory out of their own pocket, but has no in-game people willing to vote for him" Kind of weird. I have never said he has no-one in-game to vote for him. If no one at all voted for him and he got 5000 votes wouldn't that just make him a CCP puppet given the Chairmanship because he is their pet? Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
503
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Posted - 2012.03.15 16:25:00 -
[669] - Quote
What? We get plexes for our vote? Goddamn it Mittani.. Where's my 3 plexes? |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.15 16:33:00 -
[670] - Quote
Karadion wrote:What? We get plexes for our vote? Goddamn it Mittani.. Where's my 3 plexes? No you Use plex's to increase your Votes. So at 1.5 billion COST to a member of Goonswarm you make your CEO the Chairman of the CSM.
Rather effective way for the minority to run the CSM, and don't the CSM6 election results show it. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
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Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:25:00 -
[671] - Quote
A question for Issler: What do you think about certain supporters of yours spamming this forum with useless threads? "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
935
|
Posted - 2012.03.15 18:06:00 -
[672] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:A question for Issler: What do you think about certain supporters of yours spamming this forum with useless threads?
I'll take a crack at an answer.
I imagine she likes it for two reasons.
First it keeps her name and platform up top for everyone to see and decide to give her a vote.
Second, the rabid fear posting and derailment attempts by the little bees, other mittani minions and pets highlight the fact that the platform she is running on has merit.
Also: Casting my last two votes for Issler today.
Good luck and I hope you finish at the top.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.03.15 18:20:00 -
[673] - Quote
I don't really know what fearposting you are talking about, but since "Mittani minions" are only voting for one candidate there are many other spots to be filled and while I could not care less about most of Issler's issues, I'm not actively against her taking a seat.
Also I'm not quite sure what posting countless Anti-Mittani threads does for her campaign, other than people being annoyed by the guy that posts them.
But more specifically I was referring to THIS thread made today. Quite frankly, I find appaling, since it reduces Issler's entire campaign to the fact that she is female and doesn't even mention the issues she is fighting for. I would be embarrassed if my supporters would post a thread like that about me. "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1111
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Posted - 2012.03.15 18:22:00 -
[674] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:A question for Issler: What do you think about certain supporters of yours spamming this forum with useless threads?
Eve is a sandbox so anything goes I suppose! And this one person spamming is different from my regular goon hangabout trollers how?
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.03.15 18:29:00 -
[675] - Quote
We don't create threads about you based on false information. While I find mining ridiculous and will gladly make fun of you for liking it, I don't make **** up and post it in a new thread.
And while I wouldn't want to mess with Frying Dooms ability to post his in my opinion ridiculous threads, don't you think it reflects bad on you, if you are associated with so many hatespeeches? Everyone always acts as if they are better than us, but when it comes down to it everyone uses the same dirty tactics. "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
936
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Posted - 2012.03.15 18:29:00 -
[676] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:The usual crap
Stop blathering Mr generic- month old-only posts in this forum- bee alt. Good thing is that most of you morons will be biomassed after the election.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
|
Posted - 2012.03.15 18:33:00 -
[677] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Doctor Eezee wrote:The usual crap Stop blathering Mr generic- month old-only posts in this forum- bee alt. Good thing is that most of you morons will be biomassed after the election. Mr Epeen
Ah yes, the welcoming embrace of the old guard eve players. If you want Eve to succeed maybe you should be more accepting to Newbies, since this is actually a real character.
Just confirming the general consensus about pubbies again. "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Takashi Kaeda
Perkone Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.03.15 18:34:00 -
[678] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Doctor Eezee wrote:The usual crap Stop blathering Mr generic- month old-only posts in this forum- bee alt. Good thing is that most of you morons will be biomassed after the election. Mr Epeen
iceburn |
bornaa
GRiD.
108
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Posted - 2012.03.15 18:50:00 -
[679] - Quote
I have just resub for EVE again after some break (yes CCP, your special discount offers for old players work.). I read a little about most of candidates and even i don't have any SP in industry and i am old player who liked to pop things (Untill i started to log in only for updating skills for over a year) i will vote for you (after 28 hour period in which resubed players cant vote passes out). I vote for you because some real life friends that were playing EVE and left because they were miners. I vote for you for my ex gf and her friend that left EVE because CCP said they are changing course and there will not be any more WiS. And i vote for you because I don't want to vote for some other ppl.
I hope to see my friends back in EVE.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2056
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Posted - 2012.03.15 19:46:00 -
[680] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Doctor Eezee wrote:A question for Issler: What do you think about certain supporters of yours spamming this forum with useless threads? I'll take a crack at an answer. Second, the rabid fear posting and derailment attempts by the little bees, other mittani minions and pets highlight the fact that the platform she is running on has merit.
To be fair, the last couple of candidates that The Mittani and Co. gave this much attention to were Xenuria and Fod Revenhort. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2774
|
Posted - 2012.03.15 19:49:00 -
[681] - Quote
no do not listen to his lies
you know the fierce, strong, goon-threatening candidates by the fact we troll them relentlessly and try to keep them the subject of discussion |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
146
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Posted - 2012.03.15 19:51:00 -
[682] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:no do not listen to his lies
you know the fierce, strong, goon-threatening candidates by the fact we troll them relentlessly and try to keep them the subject of discussion
GOONS DON'T AFRAID OF ANYTHING. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1112
|
Posted - 2012.03.15 22:04:00 -
[683] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Weaselior wrote:no do not listen to his lies
you know the fierce, strong, goon-threatening candidates by the fact we troll them relentlessly and try to keep them the subject of discussion GOONS DON'T AFRAID OF ANYTHING.
DONT AFRAID EXCEPT THE MITTENS!! THEY AFRAID OF MITTENS AND HIS DIRE WOLF MUCH!!!!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend Fluent in CAP SPEAK CSM 7 Candidate
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:30:00 -
[684] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:Also I'm not quite sure what posting countless Anti-Mittani threads does for her campaign, other than people being annoyed by the guy that posts them. But more specifically I was referring to THIS thread made today. Quite frankly, I find appaling, since it reduces Issler's entire campaign to the fact that she is female and doesn't even mention the issues she is fighting for. Well so far the only people I have had complain are the members of Goonswarm or probably goon alts. On today's post I would have said that pointing out that Issler is a female is merely a fact and does not detract from what she stands for, but rather shows she has a differing point of view to the other CSM candidates.
I haven't seen any Anti-Mittani threads like I'm sure you haven't seen many pointless attacks by the members of Goonswarm on Issler. To be honest most of my posts are the repeating of things said by members of goonswarm.
For example Members of Goonswarm having to Vote for Mittens to remain in the alliance as that is one of the alliance rules. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2788
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:40:00 -
[685] - Quote
thats because nobody pays attention to you except us because we're the only people mean enough to taunt someone so obviously not the sharpest crayon in the box |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:46:00 -
[686] - Quote
I'm mostly amused by the fact that portraying yourself as the anti-goon candidate by sending idiots to rouse us into trolling you is a valid campaign strategy now. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:00:00 -
[687] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:I'm mostly amused by the fact that portraying yourself as the anti-goon candidate by sending idiots to rouse us into trolling you is a valid campaign strategy now.
Also, Issler, would you care to clarify your relationship with the Black Thorne people?
Are they official spokesmen for you or are they just misguided idiots trying to look good to a girl on the internet? Because either option is pretty funny.
The members of Goonswarm where trolling Issler well before I ever posted anything. I have NO relationship to Issler, other than wanting to see someone who for years has been an advocate of hi-sec mining and industry. ( I met Issler years ago when I was for a brief stint associated with The Honda Accord). Unlike the other candidates who cover some of the same area, Issler has been a supporter for years, championing Hi-sec and the needs of the Miners, industrialists and traders.
Also I do not speak for Black Thorne Alliance, I have the freedom to speak about this as it is a matter I believe in (Unlike certain other alliances)
As to misguided idiots, It would take more than membership to an alliance for me to give up my right to choose who I voted for. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:02:00 -
[688] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:I'm mostly amused by the fact that portraying yourself as the anti-goon candidate by sending idiots to rouse us into trolling you is a valid campaign strategy now.
Also, Issler, would you care to clarify your relationship with the Black Thorne people?
Are they official spokesmen for you or are they just misguided idiots trying to look good to a girl on the internet? Because either option is pretty funny. The members of Goonswarm where trolling Issler well before I ever posted anything. I have NO relationship to Issler, other than wanting to see someone who for years has been an advocate of hi-sec mining and industry. ( I met Issler years ago when I was for a brief stint associated with The Honda Accord). Unlike the other candidates who cover some of the same area, Issler has been a supporter for years, championing Hi-sec and the needs of the Miners, industrialists and traders. As to misguided idiots, It would take more than membership to an alliance for me to give up my right to choose who I voted for.
So misguided idiots trying to look good to a girl on the internet. Glad that's clarified. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:05:00 -
[689] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:So misguided idiots trying to look good to a girl on the internet. Glad that's clarified. As opposed to misguided idiots blindly following someone because they have no choice. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:10:00 -
[690] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:So misguided idiots trying to look good to a girl on the internet. Glad that's clarified. As opposed to misguided idiots blindly following someone because they have no choice.
In the future, you should come to a more formal agreement with the internet girl you're white knighting. Like, if you post five bizzaro goon conspiracy threads she'll say something nice to you. Ten and maybe you get a picture or something. I'm just seeing so much wasted effort otherwise. Step it up, you're getting short changed. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
230
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:12:00 -
[691] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:So misguided idiots trying to look good to a girl on the internet. Glad that's clarified. As opposed to misguided idiots blindly following someone because they have no choice. Mittani is just too good, any other choice is no choice by comparison.
Mittani CSM 4lyfe.
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:I'm mostly amused by the fact that portraying yourself as the anti-goon candidate by sending idiots to rouse us into trolling you is a valid campaign strategy now. Meh, there's tons of antigoon candidates. Darius claims a vote for him makes the Mittani cry or something.
P.S. A kick in the soft parts he said. I don't know, some people are rock hard... Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:17:00 -
[692] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: Meh, there's tons of antigoon candidates. Darius claims a vote for him makes the Mittani cry or something.
Most of the anti-goon candidates are only responding to attacks made on them by goons. Also I saw that posted by Darius, so for once I will ask for something strange, I will ask a goon to explain. Whats this thing with Darius all about? Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1112
|
Posted - 2012.03.16 00:18:00 -
[693] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:I'm mostly amused by the fact that portraying yourself as the anti-goon candidate by sending idiots to rouse us into trolling you is a valid campaign strategy now.
Also, Issler, would you care to clarify your relationship with the Black Thorne people?
Are they official spokesmen for you or are they just misguided idiots trying to look good to a girl on the internet? Because either option is pretty funny.
No direct relationship. Just some folk that want to support my efforts.
To be clear, I am not anti-goon, I was one for a while, I am just not keen on them running the CSM.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1112
|
Posted - 2012.03.16 00:19:00 -
[694] - Quote
Bernie Nator wrote:So you're young to unite all those people but leave wormhole alliances out of it? So Much for that balance you proposed.
Why would I ignore WH residents?
I was very against the crazy idea the last CSM had to nerf ABC in WHs!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:34:00 -
[695] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:I'm mostly amused by the fact that portraying yourself as the anti-goon candidate by sending idiots to rouse us into trolling you is a valid campaign strategy now.
Also, Issler, would you care to clarify your relationship with the Black Thorne people?
Are they official spokesmen for you or are they just misguided idiots trying to look good to a girl on the internet? Because either option is pretty funny. No direct relationship. Just some folk that want to support my efforts. To be clear, I am not anti-goon, I was one for a while, I am just not keen on them running the CSM. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
Supporting your efforts is one thing, what they're doing is more like the creepy obsessive way that an aspergers sufferer tries to get a girlfriend.
"If I buy her this 300 dollar ring, stalk her around, and invite her to see my anime collection surely she'll like me even if she doesn't know my name right now!" |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1112
|
Posted - 2012.03.16 00:54:00 -
[696] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:I'm mostly amused by the fact that portraying yourself as the anti-goon candidate by sending idiots to rouse us into trolling you is a valid campaign strategy now.
Also, Issler, would you care to clarify your relationship with the Black Thorne people?
Are they official spokesmen for you or are they just misguided idiots trying to look good to a girl on the internet? Because either option is pretty funny. No direct relationship. Just some folk that want to support my efforts. To be clear, I am not anti-goon, I was one for a while, I am just not keen on them running the CSM. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate Supporting your efforts is one thing, what they're doing is more like the creepy obsessive way that an aspergers sufferer tries to get a girlfriend. "If I buy her this 300 dollar ring, stalk her around, and invite her to see my anime collection surely she'll like me even if she doesn't know my name right now!"
Isn't that exactly what I've put up with from several goons since late summer last year when I started my pro-ambulation thread in the general discussions? I don't support it be the Eve forums seem to have a lot of that going on.
I mean I half way expect Lady Marmot to jump out with pot containing a boiling rabbit in pants some day while I'm walking to my car.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:54:00 -
[697] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Supporting your efforts is one thing, what they're doing is more like the creepy obsessive way that an aspergers sufferer tries to get a girlfriend.
And how would you describe Goon attacks on candidates as well as the "whole king of space", worship thing done by members of Goonswarm for The Mittani?
Hell the goons don't even get the choice of who to vote for. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
503
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:56:00 -
[698] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:So misguided idiots trying to look good to a girl on the internet. Glad that's clarified. As opposed to misguided idiots blindly following someone because they have no choice. FYI, there is no such people in the GSF. We're all supportive of the agenda that Mittani brings to the CSM. Stop being a moron trying to whiteknight non-existent people. Maybe they're real in your head. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
503
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:59:00 -
[699] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Supporting your efforts is one thing, what they're doing is more like the creepy obsessive way that an aspergers sufferer tries to get a girlfriend. And how would you describe Goon attacks on candidates as well as the "whole king of space", worship thing done by members of Goonswarm for The Mittani? Hell the goons don't even get the choice of who to vote for. Goddamn, shut up. There was a choice last year which we voted between Vile Rat and Mittani. This year, Vile Rat does not want to run because he hated going to Iceland to do a pitiful job for aspergers like you. Now that voter participation is high, we're not going to lose our seat on the CSM especially the chair. Either high-sec blurfers like you take seats on the CSM and start saying "DELETE JUMPBRIDGES!" or we (GSF obviously) unite and keep the people that have null-sec's best interest in mind on the team. That's the whole damn agenda. You continue to fight for imaginary people but what do I know. I'm not a aspie like you that's got to asp all the time. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1112
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Posted - 2012.03.16 01:03:00 -
[700] - Quote
Karadion wrote:
he hated going to Iceland to do a pitiful job
I just wanted to emphasize this. The CSM trip to Iceland is not a vacation!
I really considered not running because the trips are mostly an unfun, expensive time sink for most of us.
Issler |
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 01:07:00 -
[701] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Supporting your efforts is one thing, what they're doing is more like the creepy obsessive way that an aspergers sufferer tries to get a girlfriend. And how would you describe Goon attacks on candidates as well as the "whole king of space", worship thing done by members of Goonswarm for The Mittani? Hell the goons don't even get the choice of who to vote for. Goddamn, shut up. There was a choice last year which we voted between Vile Rat and Mittani. This year, Vile Rat does not want to run because he hated going to Iceland to do a pitiful job for aspergers like you. Now that voter participation is high, we're not going to lose our seat on the CSM especially the chair. Either high-sec blurfers like you take seats on the CSM and start saying "DELETE JUMPBRIDGES!" or we (GSF obviously) unite and keep the people that have null-sec's best interest in mind on the team. That's the whole damn agenda. You continue to fight for imaginary people but what do I know. I'm not a aspie like you that's got to asp all the time. Oh look back to shouting at a problem. Frankly having a choice of 2 last year and this year a choice of one, really doesn't sound like much of a choice. But it is always nice to hear from Goonswarm about how they and their candidate is for null sec and everyone else is a " high-sec blurfers".
Its also good to hear the delusional rant of the goonswarm that the Majority of players in the game(eg. those not living in Null sec) are imaginary. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
506
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Posted - 2012.03.16 01:10:00 -
[702] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Karadion wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Supporting your efforts is one thing, what they're doing is more like the creepy obsessive way that an aspergers sufferer tries to get a girlfriend. And how would you describe Goon attacks on candidates as well as the "whole king of space", worship thing done by members of Goonswarm for The Mittani? Hell the goons don't even get the choice of who to vote for. Goddamn, shut up. There was a choice last year which we voted between Vile Rat and Mittani. This year, Vile Rat does not want to run because he hated going to Iceland to do a pitiful job for aspergers like you. Now that voter participation is high, we're not going to lose our seat on the CSM especially the chair. Either high-sec blurfers like you take seats on the CSM and start saying "DELETE JUMPBRIDGES!" or we (GSF obviously) unite and keep the people that have null-sec's best interest in mind on the team. That's the whole damn agenda. You continue to fight for imaginary people but what do I know. I'm not a aspie like you that's got to asp all the time. Oh look back to shouting at a problem. Frankly having a choice of 2 last year and this year a choice of one, really doesn't sound like much of a choice. But it is always nice to hear from Goonswarm about how they and their candidate is for null sec and everyone else is a " high-sec blurfers". Its also good to hear the delusional rant of the goonswarm that the Majority of players in the game(eg. those not living in Null sec) are imaginary. Of course it doesn't sound like much of a choice, aspie. No one cares what you think in the Goonswarm Federation. If you had ever considered joining us. You won't get in at all because there are no such people in the GoonSwarm Federation that opposes Mittani. You like to point out to me obvious troll links but it doesn't exist. Goons are very united in their candidate no differently than Raiden / PL / etcall united in their candidate for Elise.
If the inactive voting majority wants a say on the CSM team, they can vote. But they are exactly that. Dumb, stupid, and just don't plain care about the CSM elections.
Get a life, aspie. It's a big world out there. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
937
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Posted - 2012.03.16 01:37:00 -
[703] - Quote
Karadion wrote: Of course it doesn't sound like much of a choice, aspie. No one cares what you think in the Goonswarm Federation. If you had ever considered joining us. You won't get in at all because there are no such people in the GoonSwarm Federation that opposes Mittani. You like to point out to me obvious troll links but it doesn't exist. Goons are very united in their candidate no differently than Raiden / PL / etcall united in their candidate for Elise.
If the inactive voting majority wants a say on the CSM team, they can vote. But they are exactly that. Dumb, stupid, and just don't plain care about the CSM elections.
Get a life, aspie. It's a big world out there.
You seem angry.
And just to clarify. Anyone with a PP acct that has $10 in it can (or could back then) join. Heck, I probably have a couple of alts working their way up the ladder waiting for that special day.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 01:46:00 -
[704] - Quote
Karadion wrote:There are no such people in the GoonSwarm Federation that opposes Mittani. Well that sounds boring and hell and doesn't say much for your members.
Karadion wrote: If the inactive voting majority wants a say on the CSM team, they can vote. But they are exactly that. Dumb, stupid, and just don't plain care about the CSM elections.
Glad to see an honest post on your views about the majority of EVE players. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
506
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Posted - 2012.03.16 01:51:00 -
[705] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Karadion wrote:There are no such people in the GoonSwarm Federation that opposes Mittani. Well that sounds boring and hell and doesn't say much for your members. Karadion wrote: If the inactive voting majority wants a say on the CSM team, they can vote. But they are exactly that. Dumb, stupid, and just don't plain care about the CSM elections.
Glad to see an honest post on your views about the majority of EVE players. And your corporation isn't? Probably full of aspergers anyways. At least we have the capability to power project across the galaxy. What about you? Do I see you on the map? HMMMMM nope. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Black_Thorne_Alliance/stats Oh look, a bunch of terrible pubbies.
If the high-sec pubbie base was more involved in the CSM elections, there would barely be a null-sec candidate/member. But they're exactly that. Dumb and stupid. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 02:07:00 -
[706] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Karadion wrote:There are no such people in the GoonSwarm Federation that opposes Mittani. Well that sounds boring and hell and doesn't say much for your members. Karadion wrote: If the inactive voting majority wants a say on the CSM team, they can vote. But they are exactly that. Dumb, stupid, and just don't plain care about the CSM elections.
Glad to see an honest post on your views about the majority of EVE players. And your corporation isn't? Probably full of aspergers anyways. At least we have the capability to power project across the galaxy. What about you? Do I see you on the map? HMMMMM nope. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Black_Thorne_Alliance/statsOh look, a bunch of terrible pubbies. If the high-sec pubbie base was more involved in the CSM elections, there would barely be a null-sec candidate/member. But they're exactly that. Dumb and stupid. Oh no a non-pvp corp that doesn't hold space in Null. You just named the problem about The Mittani he is all about PVP and Null sec. Nothing else matters. Yeah a really balanced view.
And what do you goons have against people with disabilities? Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
506
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Posted - 2012.03.16 02:25:00 -
[707] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Karadion wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Karadion wrote:There are no such people in the GoonSwarm Federation that opposes Mittani. Well that sounds boring and hell and doesn't say much for your members. Karadion wrote: If the inactive voting majority wants a say on the CSM team, they can vote. But they are exactly that. Dumb, stupid, and just don't plain care about the CSM elections.
Glad to see an honest post on your views about the majority of EVE players. And your corporation isn't? Probably full of aspergers anyways. At least we have the capability to power project across the galaxy. What about you? Do I see you on the map? HMMMMM nope. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Black_Thorne_Alliance/statsOh look, a bunch of terrible pubbies. If the high-sec pubbie base was more involved in the CSM elections, there would barely be a null-sec candidate/member. But they're exactly that. Dumb and stupid. Oh no a non-pvp corp that doesn't hold space in Null. You just named the problem about The Mittani he is all about PVP and Null sec. Nothing else matters. Yeah a really balanced view. And what do you goons have against people with disabilities? We don't. |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 02:34:00 -
[708] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Karadion wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Karadion wrote:There are no such people in the GoonSwarm Federation that opposes Mittani. Well that sounds boring and hell and doesn't say much for your members. Karadion wrote: If the inactive voting majority wants a say on the CSM team, they can vote. But they are exactly that. Dumb, stupid, and just don't plain care about the CSM elections.
Glad to see an honest post on your views about the majority of EVE players. And your corporation isn't? Probably full of aspergers anyways. At least we have the capability to power project across the galaxy. What about you? Do I see you on the map? HMMMMM nope. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Black_Thorne_Alliance/statsOh look, a bunch of terrible pubbies. If the high-sec pubbie base was more involved in the CSM elections, there would barely be a null-sec candidate/member. But they're exactly that. Dumb and stupid. Oh no a non-pvp corp that doesn't hold space in Null. You just named the problem about The Mittani he is all about PVP and Null sec. Nothing else matters. Yeah a really balanced view. And what do you goons have against people with disabilities? The Mittani has pubbies on the CSM that he delegates to. He can't be omnigod. You surround yourself by smart cfc members and smart pubbies and you delegate accordingly.
Trebor is a great example. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 02:47:00 -
[709] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote: The Mittani has pubbies on the CSM that he delegates to. He can't be omnigod. You surround yourself by smart cfc members and smart pubbies and you delegate accordingly. Trebor is a great example.
So you mean you discuss your idea with a larger audience rather than forcing your own personal philosophies down peoples throats. so exactly how Issler explained she would operate if elected to the CSM. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
210
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Posted - 2012.03.16 03:45:00 -
[710] - Quote
hey i just troll issler cus she is pro-barbie emote doll house incarna, she is just another me-too hisec industry hurfblurfer candidate how do we even know if she is not a joke candidate, shiiiiiet even xenuria got on a podcast so people can confirm for themselves that he's a freak. riverini went toe to toe with the mittani, and spoke his mind, although public speaking/debating aint his forte but we must applaud his dedication and effort. and lol even skippermonkey got a interview piece on evenews24.
Now before Frying Doom quotes The Mittani again from pre-incarna release like he got a murder weapon, yes incarna was a good idea but no longer, because we don't feel like getting screwed again.
Now my point is there are many other hisec industry pve candidates all coherently competant and most importantly CLEAN of any wis taint, go read up on them and listen to them on podcasts and radio debates, make an informed decision.
issler is nothing more than a rallying cry meme for that "open the door of my doll house crap", if youse one of them lispers you go right on ahead.
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 03:54:00 -
[711] - Quote
Now your picking on Barbie. Have you Goons no shame.
As I have said before Wis if done well would be a valuable asset to this game in years to come. No one except a complete loon would recommend putting any large amount of resources into it when there are so many other things to fix. It would allow New players a way to lessen the learning curve and hopefully stay around long enough to actually enjoy the game. With the release of Dust people can walk on planets, so why not use some of the resources currently expended on DUST to work on Wis.
Wis done Well would add a new dimension to this game and allow CCP, a business to make more money so they could have a larger staff to fix all the other problems.
But yes everyone should make an informed decision and VOTE!! Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
210
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Posted - 2012.03.16 04:21:00 -
[712] - Quote
issler's position on wis: a emoting corp room NOW NOW NOW to hell with gameplay lol that can come later.
my position: let the 5 guys on team avatar figure it out (2 of them are actually high-ranking devs), will be many months of brain-storming, just drawing on a chalkboard, making stick-figure process charts i don't know i am not a game dev. so that WIS can be meaningful full of depth and so awesome that even i will be compelled to use it too eating my words.
nobody will deny that starcraft is one of the greatest pc games ever, how long did it take for SC2 to come out? WIS will take as long as it takes, anything less to EVE's standards is not acceptable.
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
210
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Posted - 2012.03.16 04:24:00 -
[713] - Quote
now tell me what is so special about issler from all the other hisec industrial pve candidates apart from the fact that she is a women and she stands for the lowest denominator of wis- emoting One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 04:29:00 -
[714] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:issler's position on wis: a emoting corp room NOW NOW NOW to hell with gameplay lol that can come later. I don't agree with this and I am not aware of her ever saying anything like this.
Taiwanistan wrote:my position: let the 5 guys on team avatar figure it out (2 of them are actually high-ranking devs), will be many months of brain-storming, just drawing on a chalkboard, making stick-figure process charts i don't know i am not a game dev. so that WIS can be meaningful full of depth and so awesome that even i will be compelled to use it too eating my words.
nobody will deny that starcraft is one of the greatest pc games ever, how long did it take for SC2 to come out? WIS will take as long as it takes, anything less to EVE's standards is not acceptable.
This I agree with a lot, they shouldn't rush it get it out killing eve in the mean time. Also with so much to fix in the game Wis should be worked on but be a low priority. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
210
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Posted - 2012.03.16 05:12:00 -
[715] - Quote
the name of the most recent expansion is called The Crucible. Consider me a Reverend John Hale hunting out all the wis witchery that has conspired.
basically issler thinks that the 5 members of team avatar is not adequate, she wants more resources on wis. also, she is demanding for something quick and dirty, the lowest denominator of wis, this is not acceptable in the EVE as i know it. a complex, compelling game.
Issler Dainze wrote:My point about this being a "throw us a bone answer" is simple. What we have been told that there are 5 folks, mostly in a maintenance capacity the only "new" WiS content is decorations for the Captains Cell and some new NEX stuff.
I am very happy we are being talked to but I'm disappointed in what I am hearing because I interpret the response as not much different that WiS is dead. They would have to have some folks maintaining WiS and mostly this is what it sounds like we have.
We are then told they are also trying to find a way to make ambulation "compelling" and "relevant". There were dozens of suggestions in this thread alone. If they think something simple wouldn't be a start says they could care less about anyone interested in RP.
What we are basically being told is that once again CCP is falling into the trap of thinking it has be some sort of big game play element. This lets them rationalize putting this off long term. Based on recent "major game play improvements" like the POCO I am not so confident their idea of compelling ambulation game play can be expected to be a good thing.
"Well sure, we could open the door but we don't think it would be compelling..... blah blah blah"
We don't need anything major, some common spaces would be simple and a good start. CCP, show us you actually will open the door and start with something simple. A corp lounge for example. Until I actually see some example of more than one of us in a room at once I don't believe CCP is intending to ever open the door (or even can with the current engine).
CCP, don't over think this, start simple, even if it is just some experiments on the test server to see what we think.
Issler
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=665152#post665152
Issler Dainze wrote: I think the speculation on what CCP can and can't do is probably not helping. Like an earlier poster who speculated that they can't have two avatars in the same space, there is no reason why this can't happen, it's just a matter of priority and resources.
Personally I think enabling the ability to invite avatars into your CQ is a good initial goal, as long as it is expressed to be a 'beta' feature. They could even make it something that players have to opt into, the same as they were going to do for the old 'new' neocom previously.
I agree with something simple, other folks in your CQ for example, or as I suggested a corp meeting room. I worry that waiting to come up with "new compelling game play" = never.
Issler[/quote] https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=673020#post673020
really? oh CCP don't over think it, the answer is very simple after all? wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 05:22:00 -
[716] - Quote
Who knows she may have changed her mind like The Mittani. If this is still the case I will admit I must disagree with Issler on this point Wis needs to be released properly or we will just have more crap like the CQ was in the first place. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3154
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Posted - 2012.03.16 05:27:00 -
[717] - Quote
why is your roleplaying alliance so obsessed with incarna
try second life if you want that "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
210
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Posted - 2012.03.16 05:28:00 -
[718] - Quote
Issler I beseech you once more! Renounce the taint for your redemption and salvation! Amen! wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
210
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Posted - 2012.03.16 05:28:00 -
[719] - Quote
hey look i just did a shitload of roleplaying just now wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 05:33:00 -
[720] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:hey look i just did a shitload of roleplaying just now Very nice, whats next the torture of the general populous to find out if anyone will confess. A real Spanish Inquisition. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1231
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Posted - 2012.03.16 06:38:00 -
[721] - Quote
So I would be glad to respond to any real question or comment from goons, some have actually asked reasonable questions and I have been glad to respond.
I'm not going to waste my time responding to the goon scripted barbie/pant trolls.
As for interviews, I've tried to repeatedly participate but have been ignored by all the podcast except one that was made impossible by some technical issue. I am not alone in the CSM candidates in not being part of the "cool kids" that got interviews.
In the once case where there was a serious attempt to have an ambulation debate no CSM 6 members would even participate.
So sure, I would have been glad to be part of the debates when it mattered. Folks that really have cared about my views have contacted me directly and I've been happy to engage them.
Issler Dainze Not a Cool Kid that got in the interviews The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
210
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Posted - 2012.03.16 07:52:00 -
[722] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Who knows she may have changed her mind like The Mittani. If this is still the case I will admit I must disagree with Issler on this point Wis needs to be released properly or we will just have more crap like the CQ was in the first place. She might have meant if they were to release bits at a time on a test server so we could comment that would be nice. Just not dumped piecemeal on tranquility. Either way I think Issler should be applauded for starting the thread asking CCP about its plans and for all the responses on the thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=244597#post244597And I must applaud you for going through that Threadnaught. do you applaud her quick and dirty approach to wis development? and no she has not changed her mind about telling team avatar to "don't over-think it" calling people who actually want proper gameplay trolls, heh. wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 08:00:00 -
[723] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I altered my opinions on that post and may alter them again as I read the Threadnaught from start to finish
As I read more of the threadnaught it appears the thing she wants is to be able to have people in the CQ or a corp hall. I think it's because as it stands the CQ is completely useless and after years and years of the Wis idea it would be nice to be able to do anything. Its not easy to do I will admit as the problems they had with GPU loads ect. but I believe Wis is worth the effort in the long run.
To be honest as I am catching up here Issler is probably the best one to state her Wis standing. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 08:43:00 -
[724] - Quote
Also I found this extremely Interesting
Taiwanistan wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: If CCP had come out and said "WIS is on hold till we totally revamp mining and the moon mineral mess (One word comets!) and then we'll get back to the stations stuff" I'd be doing the "happy miner dance!". But I still believe WiS is key to the long term health of Eve and the sooner they get some part of it done the sooner they break a million subscribers. If they never get back to it I'm predicting 350K subscribers this time next year and 250K in 2013 no matter how many new ships they introduce.
Issler
i agree but don't be pushing out wis for the immediate surge of subs, the only way wis is going to work for me there must be wis-only "New Suff" to do, and not doing existing stuff but i am forced to walk to do it, like buying pirate ships, why would i walk when i can browse contracts? by "New Stuff" i mean careers in eve, professions you can make living with eg mining/trading/combat etc with associated skills why i am opposed to wis is that people seem to want immersion for immersion's sake alone and that is just not compelling enough if the "New Stuff" comes out tomorrow i would do a complete 180 and start wis-ing, but i just can't fathom what that "New Stuff" would be
Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.03.16 08:58:00 -
[725] - Quote
Well, this was actually a semi-decent discussion until WI. made it into this thread. "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
148
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Posted - 2012.03.16 09:03:00 -
[726] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:Well, this was actually a semi-decent discussion until WI. made it into this thread.
I'd thought I'd seen bad-posting before, but this... the horror... Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 12:15:00 -
[727] - Quote
Actually Issler after having read through the blog https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=25586 Currently standing at 181 pages long full of great ideas and hundreds and hundreds of trolls by goons and others.
With the release of this dev blog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3430
All though you might not have gotten all that you wanted. You saved Wis if it wasnt for your tireless drive to get Wis on the drawing board. EVE would have stagnated and died.
Thank You Issler Dainze
To everyone out there who calls her a space barbie, read the forum without Wis as something to go forward to EVE would perish. It would be the same old alterations of the sovereignty system, continual re balancing of ships and guns and alterations to Null sec.
To all the trolls out there, on this one after reading all of the forum's 181 pages all I have to say is Shut the Hell up. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
210
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Posted - 2012.03.16 16:52:00 -
[728] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Also I found this extremely Interesting Taiwanistan wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: If CCP had come out and said "WIS is on hold till we totally revamp mining and the moon mineral mess (One word comets!) and then we'll get back to the stations stuff" I'd be doing the "happy miner dance!". But I still believe WiS is key to the long term health of Eve and the sooner they get some part of it done the sooner they break a million subscribers. If they never get back to it I'm predicting 350K subscribers this time next year and 250K in 2013 no matter how many new ships they introduce.
Issler
i agree but don't be pushing out wis for the immediate surge of subs, the only way wis is going to work for me there must be wis-only "New Suff" to do, and not doing existing stuff but i am forced to walk to do it, like buying pirate ships, why would i walk when i can browse contracts? by "New Stuff" i mean careers in eve, professions you can make living with eg mining/trading/combat etc with associated skills why i am opposed to wis is that people seem to want immersion for immersion's sake alone and that is just not compelling enough if the "New Stuff" comes out tomorrow i would do a complete 180 and start wis-ing, but i just can't fathom what that "New Stuff" would be yeah i said i want meaningful gameplay, not quick and dirty emote lisp party wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1234
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Taiwanistan wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Who knows she may have changed her mind like The Mittani. If this is still the case I will admit I must disagree with Issler on this point Wis needs to be released properly or we will just have more crap like the CQ was in the first place. She might have meant if they were to release bits at a time on a test server so we could comment that would be nice. Just not dumped piecemeal on tranquility. Either way I think Issler should be applauded for starting the thread asking CCP about its plans and for all the responses on the thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=244597#post244597And I must applaud you for going through that Threadnaught. do you applaud her quick and dirty approach to wis development? and no she has not changed her mind about telling team avatar to "don't over-think it" calling people who actually want proper gameplay trolls, heh.
Can you direct me to a single post where I called someone that shared a real idea about WiS that I called a troll?
I expect not.
More anti-ambulation babble misrepresenting what I've consistently said all along. A balanced approach to ambulation that gets is some content sooner rather than later.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:23:00 -
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tell me how CCP should stop "over-thinking" about actual meaningful gameplay
wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:37:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I altered my opinions on that post and may alter them again as I read the Threadnaught from start to finish So far I have found this Issler Dainze wrote:So CCP I hope you are paying attention!
When I started this thread it was to make it clear a lot of us want some form of WiS. Something on the other side of the door. We aren't asking for work on FiS to stop, but that some amount of resource stay working on the other side of the door and that WiS stays part of your plans in the near future.
While someone just claimed that this thread isn't worthy of attention because it isn't 150 pages of trolls and personal insults this has remained one of the most active threads for the last two days and has recieved an impressive number of "likes". I would say by "new forum" standard this thread has received a lot of attention and support. Another thread started shortly after this one supporting the oppositve view has been virtually ignored.
So I think the pilots of Eve are proving my point. We want some more WiS to be worked on with FiS remaing the major focus in Eve. I also think we've made it clear that we don't care if it is the "prettiest" avatar experience and using the proven technology of the Unreal engine would be just fine. Also please remove the dependency on the WoD work from Eve WiS. Eve is here today! We are here today, and for now our credit cards are here today keeping your lights on and your coolers stocked with unusual Icelandic soft drinks. So give US our WiS and when you've sorted that out get back to your teen girl vamp heart throb MMO.
We also have offered a full range of suggestions as to what we want out of WiS so your claim that you can't move forward and have to put WiS on "ice" because you have to figure out "what we want" is a distraction. You have been given plenty of ideas ranging from simple to expansive to let us through that door.
So CCP, PLEASE reconsider! Please get a small team dedicated to opening that door! Take whatever "vamp" resources that are working on WoD and put them on Eve. We are paying customers, you are nowhere near having a cent in your pockets from WoD! Let us know ambulation isn't dead!
Issler To be honest as I am catching up here Issler is probably the best one to state her Wis standing. Also there do seem to be a hell of a lot of people in the threadnaught stating that they want Wis. also found this Issler Dainze wrote:Some key points I think were misrepresented by some of the posters.
1. We lost a lot of subs, that was not just in protest of WiS.
-It was a reaction to a lame single room/player WiS -The golden ammo microtransaction face plant that is Nex (which is still here by the way) -Stagnant FiS and rage over what had clearly been CCP sucking Eve dry while using that cash to build two other games -Burnout when it became clear that nothing "new" can be expected in Eve anytime soon -CCP's clear disconnect with NeX pricing and the greed is good leaked newsletter (monocolegate)
2. CCP describes Eve as a Scifi simulator, not a space combat game.
3. This thread is not WiS over FIS. It is "CCP please keep something on the burner, not on ice" for folks that believe WiS will make Eve better.
4. There is now way to know what percentage of folks in Eve want FiS only, Wis, Wis and FiS, a fox in a box or a train. But clearly to say no one in Eve wants WiS is simply wrong.
5. WiS is not space barbies, it is key to RP and emmersiveness and the community has already shared a number of ideas that would make WiS interesting to many folks in Eve.
6. WiS can be decoupled from WoD. Branch the code and move the team on WoD to WiS. CCP can come back to WoD when they get the increase in Eve subscriptions delivering ambulation creates.
Issler
emmersiveness heh just say it, quick and dirty emote party is all you want, your limited worthless nearsighted vision of wis, don't be pointing to all them F&I rejects crap ideas like you've done your homework and should get a C+ for effort bitter vets quit, barbie bitter vets also quit, eve is dying same **** different day
wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1238
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Posted - 2012.03.16 19:43:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:
emmersiveness heh just say it, quick and dirty emote party is all you want, your limited worthless nearsighted vision of wis, don't be pointing to all them F&I rejects crap ideas like you've done your homework and should get a C+ for effort bitter vets quit, barbie bitter vets also quit, eve is dying same **** different day
Ambulation supporters make this pledge! Ignore any post that the poster has included the term pants or barbie!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Eben Harper
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.16 20:18:00 -
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I am a carebear, I am part of the majority, and I support Issler Dainze. |
ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:02:00 -
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Eben Harper wrote:I am a carebear, I am part of the majority, and I support Issler Dainze.
Seriously ? You're a seven day old character who didnt know who Issler was 10 minutes ago.
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Eben Harper
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:28:00 -
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ThisIsntMyMain wrote:Seriously ? You're a seven day old character who didnt know who Issler was 10 minutes ago. This may be my only character but it's not my first character, and as far as my support for Issler goes I would direct you to the topic entitled "A CSM That Represents EvE Players" where I asked CSM candidates to post some information on how they intend to serve the highsec majority. Issler was the first (and so far only) CSM candidate to respond, and not only did she respond but she responded with a position I strongly support. So after doing some more research I voted for her. Now with that said ThisIsntMyMain, perhaps you could tell me what part of that you disagree with? |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.03.16 22:41:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Ambulation supporters make this pledge! Ignore any post that the poster has included the term pants or barbie!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate Listening to Goons on Wis is like listening to USA Presidents during the Cold War about Communists. A fear campaign.
The red menace is coming. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
1
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Posted - 2012.03.16 22:50:00 -
[737] - Quote
Frying doom isslers internet white knight |
Eben Harper
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.16 22:58:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Listening to Goons on Wis is like listening to USA Presidents during the Cold War about Communists. A fear campaign.. Excellent point Frying Doom, which leads me to wonder what exactly DOES the thugswarm have against WIS, could it be because the bulk of their hurried characteres are so butt ugly that they're worried to show them around the stations? |
bornaa
GRiD.
110
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Posted - 2012.03.16 23:03:00 -
[739] - Quote
Your vote has been registered. We thank you for your participation.
Vote for Issler Dainze |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.03.16 23:58:00 -
[740] - Quote
Eben Harper wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Listening to Goons on Wis is like listening to USA Presidents during the Cold War about Communists. A fear campaign.. Excellent point Frying Doom, which leads me to wonder what exactly DOES the thugswarm have against WIS, could it be because the bulk of their hurried characteres are so butt ugly that they're worried to show them around the stations? Good point and probably true. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
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Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
1
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Posted - 2012.03.17 00:16:00 -
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Or because WiS doesnt have anything to do with flying space ships..? |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.03.17 00:23:00 -
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Ustrello wrote:Or because WiS doesnt have anything to do with flying space ships..? Neither does Trade so you think we should get rid of that? how about PI that has nothing to do with flying spaceships, The link to DUST 514 has nothing to do with spaceships either, So get rid of anything that crosses over. Then that way we could have a game all about PVP and flying a space ship.
This is a SciFi game and Ambulation has been promised from almost the start of the game. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Ben Arwhal
Eastmarch Enterprise's
0
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Posted - 2012.03.17 00:28:00 -
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Issler, FryerDoom, I want to make my inaugural post in this highly contentious thread because I want to make something clear:
I didn't vote for Issler. Not because she's a woman, nor because she promotes miners, industrials and the like.
You didn't receive my vote because of your position on WiS.
I don't mean to sound overly-critical, and I don't mean to sound rude, but I personally feel zero interest in WiS myself. Meanwhile, you campaign heavily in support of it.
My lack of vote is based on a difference of opinion. I hope I'm not a bigot, idiot or mindless drone because of it.
And Fryer, painting anyone who disagrees with you as some malevolent evil against which you're locked in a Holy Crusade is a really easy way to alienate supporters. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
1
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Posted - 2012.03.17 00:31:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Ustrello wrote:Or because WiS doesnt have anything to do with flying space ships..? Neither does Trade so you think we should get rid of that? how about PI that has nothing to do with flying spaceships, The link to DUST 514 has nothing to do with spaceships either, So get rid of anything that crosses over. Then that way we could have a game all about PVP and flying a space ship. This is a SciFi game and Ambulation has been promised from almost the start of the game.
Trade allows for fittings and ships to be bought and sold all over new eden so yes has to do with fly spaceships
PI allows for fuel for POS's etc which (even though structure grinds suck) make fights occur once again flying spaceships
I may be wrong but if you can orbitally bombard planets in dust that has something to do with spaceships
Now walking in a station and sitting on a couch? no flying space ships there |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.03.17 00:35:00 -
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Ustrello wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ustrello wrote:Or because WiS doesnt have anything to do with flying space ships..? Neither does Trade so you think we should get rid of that? how about PI that has nothing to do with flying spaceships, The link to DUST 514 has nothing to do with spaceships either, So get rid of anything that crosses over. Then that way we could have a game all about PVP and flying a space ship. This is a SciFi game and Ambulation has been promised from almost the start of the game. Trade allows for fittings and ships to be bought and sold all over new eden so yes has to do with fly spaceships PI allows for fuel for POS's etc which (even though structure grinds suck) make fights occur once again flying spaceships I may be wrong but if you can orbitally bombard planets in dust that has something to do with spaceships Now walking in a station and sitting on a couch? no flying space ships there
The argument you have there is so thin I will counter with, climbing into your pod allows you to fly the ship. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Minta Contha
Emergent Entity KONZERN
45
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Posted - 2012.03.17 00:37:00 -
[746] - Quote
Ben Arwhal wrote:Issler, FryerDoom, I want to make my inaugural post in this highly contentious thread because I want to make something clear:
I didn't vote for Issler. Not because she's a woman, nor because she promotes miners, industrials and the like.
You didn't receive my vote because of your position on WiS.
I don't mean to sound overly-critical, and I don't mean to sound rude, but I personally feel zero interest in WiS myself. Meanwhile, you campaign heavily in support of it.
My lack of vote is based on a difference of opinion. I hope I'm not a bigot, idiot or mindless drone because of it.
And Fryer, painting anyone who disagrees with you as some malevolent evil against which you're locked in a Holy Crusade is a really easy way to alienate supporters.
If only there were more people like this, who vote with their heads. As an Issler supporter, I respect your reasons for placing your vote elsewhere, and explaining so clearly rather than indulging in Goon-style **** waving. Not even Frying Doom could call you out on that. We are allowed to our opinions and your post shows that they can be expressed without calling other candidates rude things. Take note, Goons. I wish luck to your chosen candidate. My cooking is like my lovemaking - fast, greasy, and unsatisfying. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
1
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Posted - 2012.03.17 00:40:00 -
[747] - Quote
I could say the same about your WiS arguement plus climbing into your pod does allow you to fly a ship |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.03.17 00:46:00 -
[748] - Quote
Ustrello wrote:I could say the same about your WiS arguement plus climbing into your pod does allow you to fly a ship You used my response against your argument to say that Climbing into your pod does allow you to fly your ship. So now you want Wis? Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.03.17 00:48:00 -
[749] - Quote
Ben Arwhal wrote:Issler, FryerDoom, I want to make my inaugural post in this highly contentious thread because I want to make something clear:
I didn't vote for Issler. Not because she's a woman, nor because she promotes miners, industrials and the like.
You didn't receive my vote because of your position on WiS.
I don't mean to sound overly-critical, and I don't mean to sound rude, but I personally feel zero interest in WiS myself. Meanwhile, you campaign heavily in support of it.
My lack of vote is based on a difference of opinion. I hope I'm not a bigot, idiot or mindless drone because of it.
And Fryer, painting anyone who disagrees with you as some malevolent evil against which you're locked in a Holy Crusade is a really easy way to alienate supporters.
I agree with your Voting policy on the basis you used your mind and thought for your self. GO DEMOCRACY.
As far as a Holy Crusade I like that. Thanks. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
1
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Posted - 2012.03.17 00:50:00 -
[750] - Quote
No your point was invalid, but then again maybe you dont ever leave station so maybe thats why your so inclined to get WiS progressed |
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.03.17 00:59:00 -
[751] - Quote
Ustrello wrote:No your point was invalid, but then again maybe you dont ever leave station so maybe thats why your so inclined to get WiS progressed Nice Kill board btw 665 lifetime kills, with 55 this week I can see why you only have interest in spaceships, pvp is not the be all and end all of this game. But it could be the end. If we dont get more players via Wis and more newbie help programs this game will die. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
1
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Posted - 2012.03.17 01:01:00 -
[752] - Quote
If you are going to try and throw around kb stats at least do it right 803 kills, and yes cause WiS will attract soooo many new players completely leave out the fact that the main points of this game is massive fleet battles |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1242
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Posted - 2012.03.17 01:02:00 -
[753] - Quote
Ben Arwhal wrote:Issler, FryerDoom, I want to make my inaugural post in this highly contentious thread because I want to make something clear:
I didn't vote for Issler. Not because she's a woman, nor because she promotes miners, industrials and the like.
You didn't receive my vote because of your position on WiS.
I don't mean to sound overly-critical, and I don't mean to sound rude, but I personally feel zero interest in WiS myself. Meanwhile, you campaign heavily in support of it.
My lack of vote is based on a difference of opinion. I hope I'm not a bigot, idiot or mindless drone because of it.
And Fryer, painting anyone who disagrees with you as some malevolent evil against which you're locked in a Holy Crusade is a really easy way to alienate supporters.
My pro ambulation posts predated my campaign which was almost completely focused on mining, You confuse the two.
Issler Dainze THE MINER'S Friend Signed virtually every post with that I campaigned on CSM 7 Candidate |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.03.17 01:11:00 -
[754] - Quote
Ustrello wrote:If you are going to try and throw around kb stats at least do it right 803 kills, and yes cause WiS will attract soooo many new players completely leave out the fact that the main points of this game is massive fleet battles Never been in a massive fleet battle and if that is your idea of the MAIN POINT of EVE you really are missing out. I suppose this is why you don't like Wis, you have never really appreciated all that EVE has to offer. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
1
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Posted - 2012.03.17 01:20:00 -
[755] - Quote
Well seeing how in most eve advertisements you see some sort of pvp or large scale pvp going on I'm pretty sure its one of thier main selling points. As for see what eve has to offer I've lived in whs, one reason I voted two step on one account, I've done low sec life, hell I've even mined, but WiS has been the worst experience of them all |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.03.17 01:24:00 -
[756] - Quote
Ustrello wrote:Well seeing how in most eve advertisements you see some sort of pvp or large scale pvp going on I'm pretty sure its one of thier main selling points. As for see what eve has to offer I've lived in whs, one reason I voted two step on one account, I've done low sec life, hell I've even mined, but WiS has been the worst experience of them all I differ in opinion as my worst experience was Incarna and the NEX store and CCP rushing Wis not Wis its self. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Minta Contha
Emergent Entity KONZERN
45
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Posted - 2012.03.17 01:26:00 -
[757] - Quote
Ustrello wrote:Well seeing how in most eve advertisements you see some sort of pvp or large scale pvp going on I'm pretty sure its one of thier main selling points. As for see what eve has to offer I've lived in whs, one reason I voted two step on one account, I've done low sec life, hell I've even mined, but WiS has been the worst experience of them all
You don't like it. So if WiS comes to Eve, don't do that bit of the game. Do you understand the concept of standing around in a station being entirely optional, like it already is? Don't squawk that because you don't like it, other people should be deprived of it. Anyway, that's not Issler's main platform. As she has said. Or maybe you don't bother reading.
My cooking is like my lovemaking - fast, greasy, and unsatisfying. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
1
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Posted - 2012.03.17 01:34:00 -
[758] - Quote
Minta Contha wrote:Ustrello wrote:Well seeing how in most eve advertisements you see some sort of pvp or large scale pvp going on I'm pretty sure its one of thier main selling points. As for see what eve has to offer I've lived in whs, one reason I voted two step on one account, I've done low sec life, hell I've even mined, but WiS has been the worst experience of them all You don't like it. So if WiS comes to Eve, don't do that bit of the game. Do you understand the concept of standing around in a station being entirely optional, like it already is? Don't squawk that because you don't like it, other people should be deprived of it. Anyway, that's not Issler's main platform. As she has said. Or maybe you don't bother reading.
It shouldn't even been an option, ccp should devote all its resources to FiS not WiS , and I don't really care |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
18
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Posted - 2012.03.17 01:48:00 -
[759] - Quote
Ustrello wrote:It shouldn't even been an option, ccp should devote all its resources to FiS not WiS , and I don't really care I hate to be the bearer of bad news, CCP is a business and has finite resources. If they expend a small amount of resources on Wis they will get more players from it. Subsequently they will get more money and have a bigger profit, they can hire more staff foe EVE and make more bug fixes. If EVE stagnates it will decrease player numbers and eventually be sold off to a company that can make money off it as a free to play, Play to Win game.
So we need to get mining and industry fixed because they really need it, and slowly work on Wis. For the future of EvE Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.03.17 02:00:00 -
[760] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:I hate to be the bearer of bad news, CCP is a business and has finite resources. If they expend a small amount of resources on Wis they will get more players from it. Subsequently they will get more money and have a bigger profit, they can hire more staff foe EVE and make more bug fixes. If EVE stagnates it will decrease player numbers and eventually be sold off to a company that can make money off it as a free to play, Play to Win game.
This post would have to be at least 2 years old to not make you sound like a blithering idiot. Condolences on that not being the case! |
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
151
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Posted - 2012.03.17 02:08:00 -
[761] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Ustrello wrote:No your point was invalid, but then again maybe you dont ever leave station so maybe thats why your so inclined to get WiS progressed Nice Kill board btw 665 lifetime kills, with 55 this week I can see why you only have interest in spaceships, pvp is not the be all and end all of this game. But it could be the end. If we dont get more players via Wis and more newbie help programs this game will die.
Why do you assume just because he has some KB stats (not even astounding ones at that?), all he cares about is PvP?
Why do you assume that WiS is going to be a major hook to players? Sure, it might grab the eye of a few MMO gamers, but once they realize that EVE Online is an entirely different beast (despite however much Dev.Time goes into WiS), they are going to leave. EVE Online is not the typical MMO. It is for a small demographic of hardcore and dedicated gamers. CCP should not abandon this demographic that has supported them for the past 9 years in order to pander to the casual MMO gamer who likes running around in an avatar body and emoting all over the place. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
2
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Posted - 2012.03.17 02:24:00 -
[762] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ustrello wrote:No your point was invalid, but then again maybe you dont ever leave station so maybe thats why your so inclined to get WiS progressed Nice Kill board btw 665 lifetime kills, with 55 this week I can see why you only have interest in spaceships, pvp is not the be all and end all of this game. But it could be the end. If we dont get more players via Wis and more newbie help programs this game will die. Why do you assume just because he has some KB stats (not even astounding ones at that?), all he cares about is PvP? Why do you assume that WiS is going to be a major hook to players? Sure, it might grab the eye of a few MMO gamers, but once they realize that EVE Online is an entirely different beast (despite however much Dev.Time goes into WiS), they are going to leave. EVE Online is not the typical MMO. It is for a small demographic of hardcore and dedicated gamers. CCP should not abandon this demographic that has supported them for the past 9 years in order to pander to the casual MMO gamer who likes running around in an avatar body and emoting all over the place.
Cuts deep bro
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.03.17 02:38:00 -
[763] - Quote
Ustrello wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ustrello wrote:No your point was invalid, but then again maybe you dont ever leave station so maybe thats why your so inclined to get WiS progressed Nice Kill board btw 665 lifetime kills, with 55 this week I can see why you only have interest in spaceships, pvp is not the be all and end all of this game. But it could be the end. If we dont get more players via Wis and more newbie help programs this game will die. Why do you assume just because he has some KB stats (not even astounding ones at that?), all he cares about is PvP? Why do you assume that WiS is going to be a major hook to players? Sure, it might grab the eye of a few MMO gamers, but once they realize that EVE Online is an entirely different beast (despite however much Dev.Time goes into WiS), they are going to leave. EVE Online is not the typical MMO. It is for a small demographic of hardcore and dedicated gamers. CCP should not abandon this demographic that has supported them for the past 9 years in order to pander to the casual MMO gamer who likes running around in an avatar body and emoting all over the place. Cuts deep bro edit: sniper
Sorry man, haha. But from my experiences, <1000 lifetime kills isn't all that many. xD Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2061
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Posted - 2012.03.17 05:00:00 -
[764] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote: Sorry man, haha. But from my experiences, <1000 lifetime kills isn't all that many. xD
You better behave yourself, Vordak!! Show some respect to your logistics pilots who may not have 1000 lifetime kills cause they're too busy keeping your ass intact.
Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 05:05:00 -
[765] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote: Sorry man, haha. But from my experiences, <1000 lifetime kills isn't all that many. xD
You better behave yourself, Vordak!! Show some respect to your logistics pilots who may not have 1000 lifetime kills cause they're too busy keeping your ass intact. Was wondering why someone called Primary on him Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2012.03.17 05:30:00 -
[766] - Quote
Frying Doom, if you turn around, would i see a mullet? you seem to be doing the kenny powers thing
Frying Doom wrote:Ustrello wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ustrello wrote:Or because WiS doesnt have anything to do with flying space ships..? Neither does Trade so you think we should get rid of that? how about PI that has nothing to do with flying spaceships, The link to DUST 514 has nothing to do with spaceships either, So get rid of anything that crosses over. Then that way we could have a game all about PVP and flying a space ship. This is a SciFi game and Ambulation has been promised from almost the start of the game. Trade allows for fittings and ships to be bought and sold all over new eden so yes has to do with fly spaceships PI allows for fuel for POS's etc which (even though structure grinds suck) make fights occur once again flying spaceships I may be wrong but if you can orbitally bombard planets in dust that has something to do with spaceships Now walking in a station and sitting on a couch? no flying space ships there The argument you have there is so thin I will counter with, climbing into your pod allows you to fly the ship. this argument is thin? so how did we all fly ships prior to incarna?
drip trickle tinkle, look at all the votes coming in for issler, it's like somebody forgot to shake before they zip and we was trolling to help her get votes heh
issler /no-troll tell me how ccp should stop "overthinking" wis gameplay and why wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
944
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Posted - 2012.03.17 05:37:00 -
[767] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
The irony of that statement coming from a member of an alliance of which fully half is basement dwelling neckbeards and butt pirates roleplaying women is not lost on most people.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
211
|
Posted - 2012.03.17 05:44:00 -
[768] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. The irony of that statement coming from a member of an alliance of which fully half is basement dwelling neckbeards and butt pirates roleplaying women is not lost on most people. Mr Epeen look a famous forum alt, "posting with my main would be a disservice to my fans on the forums", how is your harem of anime named alts? wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
|
Posted - 2012.03.17 06:43:00 -
[769] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. The irony of that statement coming from a member of an alliance of which fully half is basement dwelling neckbeards and butt pirates roleplaying women is not lost on most people. Mr Epeen
congratulations, mystery peen, you just described every alliance
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.03.17 07:07:00 -
[770] - Quote
While I wish you the best of luck on your platform how are you planning to actually engage the people you consider your constituents? The majority of "carebears" in Eve Online don't actually play Eve Online. They go out of their way to find ways to minimize the time they spend in the client while their wallets blink. Most of these folks don't even know the CSM even exists let alone what issues there are. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1242
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Posted - 2012.03.17 07:26:00 -
[771] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:While I wish you the best of luck on your platform how are you planning to actually engage the people you consider your constituents? The majority of "carebears" in Eve Online don't actually play Eve Online. They go out of their way to find ways to minimize the time they spend in the client while their wallets blink. Most of these folks don't even know the CSM even exists let alone what issues there are.
How have I rated so much goon attention!?
I'm just a miner that had some friends, that loved Eve, and we mine. A lot!
We created a corp, then an alliance on the crazy concept of never being bump optimal. Bum optimal is anything better for the leaders than the members. Kind of sounds like a very prominent alliance in Eve. Is it better to the mittens than a bee? Yes I bet.!
So I want Eve to be better! Starting with the miners! My Sci Fi movie model is Firefly! We are the mudders!! And I toast you all with a mudders milk!!
Miners Unite!
Issler Dainze Eight years in the belt! Committed to the idea the leaders serve the members!! The MIner's Friend! CSM 7 Candidate! |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 10:34:00 -
[772] - Quote
Vote Issler Dainze for a better CSM. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Severian Carnifex
105
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Posted - 2012.03.17 13:11:00 -
[773] - Quote
Thnx in the name of miners. You have my vote Issler. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 13:26:00 -
[774] - Quote
Severian Carnifex wrote:Thnx in the name of miners. You have my vote Issler. We thank you for voting. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.03.17 15:58:00 -
[775] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Vote Issler Dainze for a better CSM.
Lolirony.
/troll mode off
Issler, if you had disowned this brown-faced puppy before the election, you stood a fairly strong chance of getting onto the CSM. This tool has cost you a large chunk of your votes with his irritating 'campaigning'. You seem alright, a decent candidate - this guy is the polar opposite.
Better luck next year....
Oh, and ditch WiS, focus just on the mining, industry, research and trade aspects of Eve, and you would gain even more votes that he has cost you. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 16:12:00 -
[776] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Vote Issler Dainze for a better CSM. Lolirony. /troll mode off Issler, if you had disowned this brown-faced puppy before the election, you stood a fairly strong chance of getting onto the CSM. This tool has cost you a large chunk of your votes with his irritating 'campaigning'. You seem alright, a decent candidate - this guy is the polar opposite. Better luck next year.... Oh, and ditch WiS, focus just on the mining, industry, research and trade aspects of Eve, and you would gain even more votes that he has cost you. As opposed to last year where she ran a strong campaign but you couldn't read it for all the Goon troll posts. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2823
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Posted - 2012.03.17 16:18:00 -
[777] - Quote
if you lost to darius III you didn't run a strong campaign soz |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2823
|
Posted - 2012.03.17 16:20:00 -
[778] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:The irony of that statement coming from a member of an alliance of which fully half is basement dwelling neckbeards and butt pirates roleplaying women is not lost on most people. Mr Epeen do you have something against gay people? that's pretty uncool duder |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 16:21:00 -
[779] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:if you lost to darius III you didn't run a strong campaign soz Ok let me change that to she ran a factual campaign. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
945
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Posted - 2012.03.17 16:25:00 -
[780] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:if you lost to darius III you didn't run a strong campaign soz
Urban Dictionary wrote:soz
Nonsensical internet slang term for "sorry", used by illiterate morons who for some reason substitute a GÇ£zGÇ¥ for GÇ£rryGÇ¥, the latter of which would take an entire quarter of a second to type out.
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2012.03.17 16:29:00 -
[781] - Quote
duh huh huh huh you had to look it up at urban dictionary
Mr Epeen wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. The irony of that statement coming from a member of an alliance of which fully half is basement dwelling neckbeards and butt pirates roleplaying women is not lost on most people. Mr Epeen seems like you like swimming in that cesspool, remember to come up for air. wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
211
|
Posted - 2012.03.17 16:35:00 -
[782] - Quote
Eben Harper wrote:I am a carebear, I am part of the majority, and I support Issler Dainze. | V wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.03.17 16:39:00 -
[783] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Weaselior wrote:if you lost to darius III you didn't run a strong campaign soz Urban Dictionary wrote:soz
Nonsensical internet slang term for "sorry", used by illiterate morons who for some reason substitute a GÇ£zGÇ¥ for GÇ£rryGÇ¥, the latter of which would take an entire quarter of a second to type out.
Urban Dictionary wrote: Epeen
(noun) short for "Electronic ***** ENlargement". Behavior quite commonly found on online discussion boards or similar, where some loser tries to establish his superiority - and thus the merit of his or her opinion - by stating how skilled and awesome he or she is, rather than forming a sound argument. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 16:39:00 -
[784] - Quote
Speaking of cesspools. I love the spin by The Mittani that everything good that has happened while CSM6 has been in office is his doing, yet not the bad things that have happened, Incarna being one of them. I'm not saying he is in anyway responsible for Incarna, but then I'm not saying he is responsible for all the good things that have occurred either. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.03.17 17:00:00 -
[785] - Quote
My vote goes to miners friend. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.17 17:02:00 -
[786] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:My vote goes to miners friend. Thank You Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
126
|
Posted - 2012.03.17 17:34:00 -
[787] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:While I wish you the best of luck on your platform how are you planning to actually engage the people you consider your constituents? The majority of "carebears" in Eve Online don't actually play Eve Online. They go out of their way to find ways to minimize the time they spend in the client while their wallets blink. Most of these folks don't even know the CSM even exists let alone what issues there are. How have I rated so much goon attention!? I'm just a miner that had some friends, that loved Eve, and we mine. A lot! We created a corp, then an alliance on the crazy concept of never being bump optimal. Bum optimal is anything better for the leaders than the members. Kind of sounds like a very prominent alliance in Eve. Is it better to the mittens than a bee? Yes I bet.! So I want Eve to be better! Starting with the miners! My Sci Fi movie model is Firefly! We are the mudders!! And I toast you all with a mudders milk!! Miners Unite! Issler Dainze Eight years in the belt! Committed to the idea the leaders serve the members!! The MIner's Friend! CSM 7 Candidate!
You still didn't answer my question. Leave side stepping hard questions to The Mittani, he's far more adept at it. So the question still stands. |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
59
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Posted - 2012.03.17 17:54:00 -
[788] - Quote
I don't know about hearing the bears roar - it's more like a mewling meep. Industrialists and marketeers have no teeth becaus e they have no control of their product once it is put on the markets. they can not choose who to sell to. If they had a blacklist option in thier sell orders you'd see some real weeping and gnashing of teeth going on. but it would probably break the markets so, you know, we meep.
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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
59
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Posted - 2012.03.17 18:00:00 -
[789] - Quote
if you really want to hurt the nullsec alliances you'll keep your products off the open market and sell via contract internally. which hurts you just as much as them 'cos your not getting the revenue you are used to. it's all part of the game. find and balance and prevail. |
Eben Harper
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.18 00:18:00 -
[790] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:My vote goes to miners friend. Thank you cadet o7
Snowflake Tem wrote:Industrialists and marketeers have no teeth becaus e they have no control of their product once it is put on the markets. they can not choose who to sell to. If they had a blacklist option in thier sell orders you'd see some real weeping and gnashing of teeth going on. I don't think the Amarrian mother of my half brother could have put it better. Industrialists should have the right to know who they are selling to and refuse service, even on the open market (GOON EMBARGO).
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Eben Harper
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.18 00:34:00 -
[791] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:The majority of "carebears" in Eve Online don't actually play Eve Online. They go out of their way to find ways to minimize the time they spend in the client while their wallets blink. Most of these folks don't even know the CSM even exists let alone what issues there are. Be that as it may as paying customers shouldn't they receive representation just as any other paying customer? In my opinion one of the greatest appeals of EvE Online is that it's such a massive and open universe anyone can pay a monthly fee and play it AS THEY SEE FIT, which is why it annoys me when certain nullseccers and pvpers claim someone doesn't even matter because they don't play EvE Online a particular way. Who is anyone to say how anyone else should spend their $15 to play this game?
I am a carebear, I am part of the majority, and I support Issler Dainze. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
235
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Posted - 2012.03.18 01:15:00 -
[792] - Quote
Eben Harper wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:My vote goes to miners friend. Thank you cadet o7 Snowflake Tem wrote:Industrialists and marketeers have no teeth becaus e they have no control of their product once it is put on the markets. they can not choose who to sell to. If they had a blacklist option in thier sell orders you'd see some real weeping and gnashing of teeth going on. I don't think the Amarrian mother of my half brother could have put it better. Industrialists should have the right to know who they are selling to and refuse service, even on the open market (GOON EMBARGO). Yes, because no one would just sell it to us anyway, as the margins for flipping cheap embargo goods into "for nullsec" contracts would never tempt anyone ever.
If highsec corps can get themselves cleaned out (except for the Miitani's regards), you'd imagine some alt characters trained for mining/industry would be able to flip a bunch of contracts. But no, clearly not, we'd just choke to death as the endless titans of
wait. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
59
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Posted - 2012.03.18 11:50:00 -
[793] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Eben Harper wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:My vote goes to miners friend. Thank you cadet o7 Snowflake Tem wrote:Industrialists and marketeers have no teeth becaus e they have no control of their product once it is put on the markets. they can not choose who to sell to. If they had a blacklist option in thier sell orders you'd see some real weeping and gnashing of teeth going on. I don't think the Amarrian mother of my half brother could have put it better. Industrialists should have the right to know who they are selling to and refuse service, even on the open market (GOON EMBARGO). Yes, because no one would just sell it to us anyway, as the margins for flipping cheap embargo goods into "for nullsec" contracts would never tempt anyone ever. If highsec corps can get themselves cleaned out (except for the Miitani's regards), you'd imagine some alt characters trained for mining/industry would be able to flip a bunch of contracts. But no, clearly not, we'd just choke to death as the endless titans of wait.
RP is just empty threats and posturing behind borrowed ideals.
The Ice Interdiction was not nearly as effective as people would like to believe. No one uses Gallente Towers seriously, and it did not have significant impact on jump fuel either. you guys need a foe worthy of you, i don't see any here.
sure goons have stockpiles in place and alt corps to ensure supplys from highsec, not one thinks you don't.
but if hissy Issler wants to unite the "bears" as one voice she needs to get serious about taking out the competition to her alliance and impose said trade restrictions. I'll give her credit for using honey rather than the sitng to heard her hippies but at some point she would be wise to fund the merc corps that are suffering at the mo with a few select contracts.
Highsec is a mess. you goons did not even dint my competition in fighting my wars for me. Savvys know when to ditch a product and move on to something else and leave the suffering to the bots in mind and substance.
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
937
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:25:00 -
[794] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:My vote goes to miners friend.
That's the spirit Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
236
|
Posted - 2012.03.19 00:23:00 -
[795] - Quote
Snowflake Tem wrote: Savvys know when to ditch a product and move on to something else and leave the suffering to the bots in mind and substance. well said.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Trini Soren
The Actinic Agency
0
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Posted - 2012.03.19 06:22:00 -
[796] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec PvE Casual Players Ambulation
Happy miners mean cheap ore. I'm an industrialist (mostly building Tornados for our gank friends right now) Happy traders means competition/ lower prices. I'm a small corp. Independent players are the backbone of Eve. High sec PvE could use a boost I guess. Casual players are just as important as the rest of the playerbase. Ambulation would give me something to do as I rarely undock.
You hit all the right buttons for me and you have my vote. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
168
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Posted - 2012.03.19 08:35:00 -
[797] - Quote
I really hope that you get a CSM chair Issler. We must give a chance to every part of EVE. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
556
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Posted - 2012.03.19 08:44:00 -
[798] - Quote
Snowflake Tem wrote: The Ice Interdiction was not nearly as effective as people would like to believe. No one uses Gallente Towers seriously, and it did not have significant impact on jump fuel either. you guys need a foe worthy of you, i don't see any here.
Umm, as both a thanatos carrier pilot and someone who helps design poses from time to time, both of these things are untrue. Gallente towers WERE used seriously for moonmining, the silo bonus is ****, and oxytopes more than doubled in price, from around 700isk/unit. Highest I paid during the rush was 2k per unit, which it held at for a couple weeks(glad I live 3 jumps from a blue ice belt in nullsec). Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
60
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Posted - 2012.03.19 09:52:00 -
[799] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:[quote=Snowflake Tem] Umm, as both a thanatos carrier pilot and someone who helps design poses from time to time, both of these things are untrue. Gallente towers WERE used seriously for moonmining, the silo bonus is ****, and oxytopes more than doubled in price, from around 700isk/unit. Highest I paid during the rush was 2k per unit, which it held at for a couple weeks(glad I live 3 jumps from a blue ice belt in nullsec).
okay, I guess i showed my ignorance of moon mining there - but I believe the price hike was down to marketeers taking advantage of the excuse not to put their reserves on the market.
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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
60
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Posted - 2012.03.19 10:03:00 -
[800] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:[quote=Snowflake Tem] Umm, as both a thanatos carrier pilot and someone who helps design poses from time to time, both of these things are untrue. Gallente towers WERE used seriously for moonmining, the silo bonus is ****, and oxytopes more than doubled in price, from around 700isk/unit. Highest I paid during the rush was 2k per unit, which it held at for a couple weeks(glad I live 3 jumps from a blue ice belt in nullsec).
okay, I guess i showed my ignorance of moon mining there - but I believe the price hike was down to marketeers taking advantage of the excuse not to put their reserves on the open market. This is why selling internally within an alliance is vital and why Jade Cougar is positioning to make himself an industrial powerhouse.
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Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.19 10:06:00 -
[801] - Quote
Snowflake Tem wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:[quote=Snowflake Tem] Umm, as both a thanatos carrier pilot and someone who helps design poses from time to time, both of these things are untrue. Gallente towers WERE used seriously for moonmining, the silo bonus is ****, and oxytopes more than doubled in price, from around 700isk/unit. Highest I paid during the rush was 2k per unit, which it held at for a couple weeks(glad I live 3 jumps from a blue ice belt in nullsec). okay, I guess i showed my ignorance of moon mining there - but I believe the price hike was down to marketeers taking advantage of the excuse not to put their reserves on the market.
Doesn't matter. Your campaign for next year's elections is off to a good start Snowflake. I'll be watching. |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
60
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Posted - 2012.03.19 12:21:00 -
[802] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:
Doesn't matter. Your campaign for next year's elections is off to a good start Snowflake. I'll be watching.
I can only speak for my interests and could not in good conscious sign an NDA, because investing in what I think is coming next is a huge part of what I enjoy in this game. That is why good listeners are hugely valuable on the CSM. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
214
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Posted - 2012.03.19 13:57:00 -
[803] - Quote
Elanor Vega wrote:I really hope that you get a CSM chair Issler. We must give a chance to every part of EVE. just say it, you love emoting wis: a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.19 19:06:00 -
[804] - Quote
So there still is time to spread the word! For the miners of Eve to get a voice in the CSM they need to spread the word out in the 'verse! Miners mine out in space, in the belts, not in the forums!
So tell a friend to vote, get that friend to tell another friend. They say we can't come together when we need to, I say we can!
Miners Unite!
Miners Rock!
Miners can Rock the Vote!
Miners can be part of the CSM 7!
Vote Today!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2835
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Posted - 2012.03.19 19:41:00 -
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i say you can't
betcha i win |
Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:36:00 -
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This CSM convinced CCP to address the massive botting in the drone regions which has crashed mineral prices. They've done a very good job representing miner interests. I explained this to you in direct answer to your question in this thread. So I'll say it again. I was a highsec hulk pilot a few years ago because it was a way to make descent isk/hour while doing other RL stuff. The market crashed so hard because of botting that it stopped being viable even in an afk capacity. This CSM understood that and acted.
I'm a member of the demographic you keep addressing with talking points like "miners unite" and I'm telling you that it in no way represents us or our interests. I support Mittens and a lot of the other block candidates because they really do understand highsec industry better than you.
You went back to the same meaningless rhetoric after literally posting a thread a few days ago asking for reasons why non-block voters back block candidates. You were answered by myself and others. Furthermore, a lot of the goons were actually asking you questions and giving you feedback which could have strengthened your campaign. Some of the most gentle trolling I've ever seen the goons do was in this thread. Enough with these talking points and haughty anti-nullsec sentiment. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1258
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:51:00 -
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Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This CSM convinced CCP to address the massive botting in the drone regions which has crashed mineral prices. They've done a very good job representing miner interests. I explained this to you in direct answer to your question in this thread. So I'll say it again. I was a highsec hulk pilot a few years ago because it was a way to make descent isk/hour while doing other RL stuff. The market crashed so hard because of botting that it stopped being viable even in an afk capacity. This CSM understood that and acted. I'm a member of the demographic you keep addressing with talking points like "miners unite" and I'm telling you that it in no way represents us or our interests. I support Mittens and a lot of the other block candidates because they really do understand highsec industry better than you. You went back to the same meaningless rhetoric after literally posting a thread a few days ago asking for reasons why non-block voters back block candidates. You were answered by myself and others. Furthermore, a lot of the goons were actually asking you questions and giving you feedback which could have strengthened your campaign. Some of the most gentle trolling I've ever seen the goons do was in this thread. Enough with these talking points and haughty anti-nullsec sentiment.
A hulk owner that supports the folks that like to explode his hulk for giggles that says I don't understand high sec miners.
Mining is more than isks/hour. It can be made much better in terms of fun per hour. No one in the CSM 6 did anything to expand the mining experience. And to claim that CSM 6 somehow get more interest on the part of CCP to counter botting is simply insane.
NO high sec miner can really support Mittens unless they like the experience of being in their barges while the are exploded by griefers.
I am not anti-null, I am anti-null exclusive focus, all of Eve needs to have balanced attention from CCP. That hasn't been the case for some time.
But thanks for posting, I enjoy the goon and goon alt bumps.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:01:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This CSM convinced CCP to address the massive botting in the drone regions which has crashed mineral prices. They've done a very good job representing miner interests. I explained this to you in direct answer to your question in this thread. So I'll say it again. I was a highsec hulk pilot a few years ago because it was a way to make descent isk/hour while doing other RL stuff. The market crashed so hard because of botting that it stopped being viable even in an afk capacity. This CSM understood that and acted. I'm a member of the demographic you keep addressing with talking points like "miners unite" and I'm telling you that it in no way represents us or our interests. I support Mittens and a lot of the other block candidates because they really do understand highsec industry better than you. You went back to the same meaningless rhetoric after literally posting a thread a few days ago asking for reasons why non-block voters back block candidates. You were answered by myself and others. Furthermore, a lot of the goons were actually asking you questions and giving you feedback which could have strengthened your campaign. Some of the most gentle trolling I've ever seen the goons do was in this thread. Enough with these talking points and haughty anti-nullsec sentiment. A hulk owner that supports the folks that like to explode his hulk for giggles that says I don't understand high sec miners. Mining is more than isks/hour. It can be made much better in terms of fun per hour. No one in the CSM 6 did anything to expand the mining experience. And to claim that CSM 6 somehow get more interest on the part of CCP to counter botting is simply insane. NO high sec miner can really support Mittens unless they like the experience of being in their barges while the are exploded by griefers. I am not anti-null, I am anti-null exclusive focus, all of Eve needs to have balanced attention from CCP. That hasn't been the case for some time. But thanks for posting, I enjoy the goon and goon alt bumps. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
tl;dr - ignore opinion of demographic I'm trying to get support from, make broad assumptions that people think the same way I do and if they don't they are dumb, call fellow miner a goon alt.
I don't know why Goons bother to troll you when you wreck your campaign yourself! (Oh right, because it is hilarious.)
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:16:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This CSM convinced CCP to address the massive botting in the drone regions which has crashed mineral prices. They've done a very good job representing miner interests. I explained this to you in direct answer to your question in this thread. So I'll say it again. I was a highsec hulk pilot a few years ago because it was a way to make descent isk/hour while doing other RL stuff. The market crashed so hard because of botting that it stopped being viable even in an afk capacity. This CSM understood that and acted. I'm a member of the demographic you keep addressing with talking points like "miners unite" and I'm telling you that it in no way represents us or our interests. I support Mittens and a lot of the other block candidates because they really do understand highsec industry better than you. You went back to the same meaningless rhetoric after literally posting a thread a few days ago asking for reasons why non-block voters back block candidates. You were answered by myself and others. Furthermore, a lot of the goons were actually asking you questions and giving you feedback which could have strengthened your campaign. Some of the most gentle trolling I've ever seen the goons do was in this thread. Enough with these talking points and haughty anti-nullsec sentiment. A hulk owner that supports the folks that like to explode his hulk for giggles that says I don't understand high sec miners. Mining is more than isks/hour. It can be made much better in terms of fun per hour. No one in the CSM 6 did anything to expand the mining experience. And to claim that CSM 6 somehow get more interest on the part of CCP to counter botting is simply insane. NO high sec miner can really support Mittens unless they like the experience of being in their barges while the are exploded by griefers. I am not anti-null, I am anti-null exclusive focus, all of Eve needs to have balanced attention from CCP. That hasn't been the case for some time. But thanks for posting, I enjoy the goon and goon alt bumps. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate tl;dr - ignore opinion of demographic I'm trying to get support from, make broad assumptions that people think the same way I do and if they don't they are dumb, call fellow miner a goon alt. I don't know why Goons bother to troll you when you wreck your campaign yourself! (Oh right, because it is hilarious.)
My demographic is not represented by the quoted poster, that is my point. My demographic most definitely are not supporters of the folks that enjoy ganking them while they mine in their barges.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:18:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This CSM convinced CCP to address the massive botting in the drone regions which has crashed mineral prices. They've done a very good job representing miner interests. I explained this to you in direct answer to your question in this thread. So I'll say it again. I was a highsec hulk pilot a few years ago because it was a way to make descent isk/hour while doing other RL stuff. The market crashed so hard because of botting that it stopped being viable even in an afk capacity. This CSM understood that and acted. I'm a member of the demographic you keep addressing with talking points like "miners unite" and I'm telling you that it in no way represents us or our interests. I support Mittens and a lot of the other block candidates because they really do understand highsec industry better than you. You went back to the same meaningless rhetoric after literally posting a thread a few days ago asking for reasons why non-block voters back block candidates. You were answered by myself and others. Furthermore, a lot of the goons were actually asking you questions and giving you feedback which could have strengthened your campaign. Some of the most gentle trolling I've ever seen the goons do was in this thread. Enough with these talking points and haughty anti-nullsec sentiment. A hulk owner that supports the folks that like to explode his hulk for giggles that says I don't understand high sec miners. Mining is more than isks/hour. It can be made much better in terms of fun per hour. No one in the CSM 6 did anything to expand the mining experience. And to claim that CSM 6 somehow get more interest on the part of CCP to counter botting is simply insane. NO high sec miner can really support Mittens unless they like the experience of being in their barges while the are exploded by griefers. I am not anti-null, I am anti-null exclusive focus, all of Eve needs to have balanced attention from CCP. That hasn't been the case for some time. But thanks for posting, I enjoy the goon and goon alt bumps. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate tl;dr - ignore opinion of demographic I'm trying to get support from, make broad assumptions that people think the same way I do and if they don't they are dumb, call fellow miner a goon alt. I don't know why Goons bother to troll you when you wreck your campaign yourself! (Oh right, because it is hilarious.)
I must be doing something right if even the Blitzeners are now attacking me in my campaign thread. I just want to point out I have NOT attacked Hans in his thread, or any other candidate in their campaign threads.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2839
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:30:00 -
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"i must be doing something right if everyone agrees i am an idiot" - the idiot's creedo |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
5
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:32:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:My demographic is not represented by the quoted poster, that is my point. My demographic most definitely are not supporters of the folks that enjoy ganking them while they mine in their barges. Not like you're going to answer, but please tell me how **** exploding is somehow harmful to the industrial profession? The more **** blows up, the more there is to make and sell. Honestly, the mining profession simply CANNOT exist within EVE without **** blowing up. Do you think everyone should only have to buy one Hulk and then call it good? I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:53:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:A hulk owner that supports the folks that like to explode his hulk for giggles that says I don't understand high sec miners. Yep, that's right. Hulks exploding is good for business because it reduces the amount of people mining and jacks up mineral prices. A lot of people who get suicide ganked have no one but themselves to blame.
Issler Dainze wrote:Mining is more than isks/hour. It can be made much better in terms of fun per hour. No one in the CSM 6 did anything to expand the mining experience. And to claim that CSM 6 somehow get more interest on the part of CCP to counter botting is simply insane. Actually for most of us it isn't. Fun per hour is isk per hour to most miners. The CSM 6 got CCP to make changes in order to combat the effect botting in the drone regions was having on mineral prices. Removing the ability for RMT companies to destroy mineral prices is greatly expanding the mining experience. This botting has been going on for years and other CSMs, for whatever reason, were unable to get CCP to act. Mittens and co deserve some credit for this.
Also, Mittens is capable of giving CCP some bad PR. I'm not lauding him as eve's Machiavelli, I'm saying that he has more influence in gaming media than you(and most of the other candidates). But more importantly, he helped get the CSM to present a more united front on relevant issues. Such as communication between members during meetings with CCP, etc.
Issler Dainze wrote:NO high sec miner can really support Mittens unless they like the experience of being in their barges while the are exploded by griefers. I do, because anyone who takes the right precautions can substantially reduce their risks. I mined during some periods where Jihadswarm was very active. Mining was more fun when I planned in case goons or other players showed up to kill me. In fact, I used to watch Jihadswarm youtube videos while mining. I can laugh at something that might screw me ingame. In fact it really makes me enjoy this game and as a result, life.
Issler Dainze wrote:I am not anti-null, I am anti-null exclusive focus, all of Eve needs to have balanced attention from CCP. That hasn't been the case for some time. You're flat out misrepresenting what the CSM has done this past year. The botting issue is an example something that greatly benefits highsec players. They've also done a number of things with the UI. Even if other CSMs discussed these changes, this CSM actually convinced CCP to implement them. Everything this CSM has done is a matter of public record.
Nullsec at the moment has some major problems and it deserves to be addressed more heavily than many issues in high sec. A team of five people working on WiS is more than enough for example.
Issler Dainze wrote:But thanks for posting, I enjoy the goon and goon alt bumps. I'm not a goon, but keep telling yourself that. Keep telling yourself that it's just goons flaming you instead of a fundamental rejection of your vague platform by many of the people you claim to represent. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2840
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:07:00 -
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You know Barnabas, if you ever get bored of mining you should make a catalyst alt, and use your mining orca to stage some destroyers in your mining system, then systematically eliminate your competition. You can even do it while you're still mining and if you salvage your kills you'll turn a nice profit. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:14:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:My demographic is not represented by the quoted poster, that is my point. My demographic most definitely are not supporters of the folks that enjoy ganking them while they mine in their barges. Not like you're going to answer, but please tell me how **** exploding is somehow harmful to the industrial profession? The more **** blows up, the more there is to make and sell. Honestly, the mining profession simply CANNOT exist within EVE without **** blowing up. Do you think everyone should only have to buy one Hulk and then call it good?
I certainly understand Eve is all about risk vs. reward and being at risk is part of Eve. Problem is barge ganking is a perfect example of risk/reward being out of whack. If I can spend 6 mil to kill a 100 mil barge with virtually no consequence to myself that seems a little out of balance.
Industrialist need ship losses in Eve to fuel the furnaces of industry. I support that, but sometime risk/reward in Eve is gets out of whack.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2840
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:21:00 -
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you can defeat destroyer ganking with a relatively small number of brain cells
for issler though, those are in short supply: best nerf the catalyst instead |
Josef Huffenpuff
H A V O C
7
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:30:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:My demographic is not represented by the quoted poster, that is my point. My demographic most definitely are not supporters of the folks that enjoy ganking them while they mine in their barges.
I'm sorry Issler - I'm confused here. I don't see "your demographic" posting here in support - unless you call Flying Doom and Xenuria "support". I strongly suspect that "your demographic" is nowhere near as big as you think it is.
And please don't keep calling us goon alts just because we don't support you. You've actually had some pretty good advice from Goonswarm and Goonwaffe members here about how to focus your campaign on a subject, appeal to a greater number of people and actually have some chance of success if you try again next year.
I'm an industrial toon. I think Industry and mining in Eve is completely borked. I think that in a perfect world WiS would be a great feature with gameplay that lets us actually do something other than walk around an empty room or go to a virtual bar where I can pretend to buy drinks and /emote at other players.
But you don't offer anything in your platform this year that would make me even vaguely think about voting for you. If you're serious about being on the CSM - you have to change that.
Now, can I get back to trolling on my shiptoasting alt please. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
5
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:30:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:you can defeat destroyer ganking with a relatively small number of brain cells
for issler though, those are in short supply: best nerf the catalyst instead Seems Issler's constituents are part of the AFK crowd.
Thanks for the answer, Issler. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:31:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:you can defeat destroyer ganking with a relatively small number of brain cells
for issler though, those are in short supply: best nerf the catalyst instead
Weasellor <--- in favor of nerfing destroyers!!!!
Come on, you are really running out of stream lately, your earlier trolls were so much more substantial!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:37:00 -
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Josef Huffenpuff wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:My demographic is not represented by the quoted poster, that is my point. My demographic most definitely are not supporters of the folks that enjoy ganking them while they mine in their barges. I'm sorry Issler - I'm confused here. I don't see "your demographic" posting here in support - unless you call Flying Doom and Xenuria "support". I strongly suspect that "your demographic" is nowhere near as big as you think it is. And please don't keep calling us goon alts just because we don't support you. You've actually had some pretty good advice from Goonswarm and Goonwaffe members here about how to focus your campaign on a subject, appeal to a greater number of people and actually have some chance of success if you try again next year. I'm an industrial toon. I think Industry and mining in Eve is completely borked. I think that in a perfect world WiS would be a great feature with gameplay that lets us actually do something other than walk around an empty room or go to a virtual bar where I can pretend to buy drinks and /emote at other players. But you don't offer anything in your platform this year that would make me even vaguely think about voting for you. If you're serious about being on the CSM - you have to change that. Now, can I get back to trolling on my shiptoasting alt please.
Feel free to go through all 40 pages of this thread counting everyone and show me just how few supporters I really have! That would sure show me what for! We won't know anything about my demographic till the results are out.
But thanks for your insight about how much great advice the goons have given me.... they truly have been so supportive in making me successful....
This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that.
Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?
If you want to talk about that we can have a conversation.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
370
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:05:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that.
Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?
If you want to talk about that we can have a conversation.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
Okay, let's leave "goons and friends" out of this for a moment. Why would a miner vote for you instead of, say, Seleene?
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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:08:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that. Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP? There you go again.
Seriously though, at this point you're just being dishonest. Drop this charade of the upstanding high sec industrialist giving a voice to miners everywhere.
The mineral market has been ruined by RMT. Prices got so bad I sold my mining toon and pursued other things. This CSM convinced CCP to do something about it. I think I will make some catalyst alts. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:09:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that.
Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?
If you want to talk about that we can have a conversation.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
Okay, let's leave "goons and friends" out of this for a moment. Why would a miner vote for you instead of, say, Seleene?
Because a miner might ask why I should vote for a character that made no claim to improve mining if elected to the CSM 7 and has time in previous CSMs to try and improve mining and never seemed to have shown any interest....
Just saying, but that is an excellent question, thanks for making this a more useful debate!
By the way, as posted in another thread when the election began, Seleene was one of the previous CSM I'd support for reelection.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:13:00 -
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Barnabas O'Malley wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that. Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP? There you go again.Seriously though, at this point you're just being dishonest. Drop this charade of the upstanding high sec industrialist giving a voice to miners everywhere. The mineral market has been ruined by RMT. Prices got so bad I sold my mining toon and pursued other things. I think I will make some catalyst alts.
OK, please point to a single thing I'd said that is a lie.
I am definitely against RMT.
Oh, you sold your mining character so you were the one that lied when you claimed to be a miner that I seek to support.
If you really want to experience Eve how about leaving your NPC corp and actually play the game.
The troll is strong in this one.....
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
370
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:15:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that.
Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?
If you want to talk about that we can have a conversation.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
Okay, let's leave "goons and friends" out of this for a moment. Why would a miner vote for you instead of, say, Seleene? Because a miner might ask why I should vote for a character that made no claim to improve mining if elected to the CSM 7 and has time in previous CSMs to try and improve mining and never seemed to have shown any interest.... Just saying, but that is an excellent question, thanks for making this a more useful debate! By the way, as posted in another thread when the election began, Seleene was one of the previous CSM I'd support for reelection. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
Seleene has advocated a full blown industrial expansion in his thread. The current CSM has advocated strongly for a drone mineral nerf. Drone region minerals probably damage the mineral market more than just about anything else. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
170
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:22:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that.
Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?
If you want to talk about that we can have a conversation.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
Okay, let's leave "goons and friends" out of this for a moment. Why would a miner vote for you instead of, say, Seleene? Because a miner might ask why I should vote for a character that made no claim to improve mining if elected to the CSM 7 and has time in previous CSMs to try and improve mining and never seemed to have shown any interest.... Just saying, but that is an excellent question, thanks for making this a more useful debate! By the way, as posted in another thread when the election began, Seleene was one of the previous CSM I'd support for reelection. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate Seleene has advocated a full blown industrial expansion in his thread. The current CSM has advocated strongly for a drone mineral nerf. Drone region minerals probably damage the mineral market more than just about anything else.
Issler is the Michelle Bachmann of the CSM7 elections. Quotes false stuff and stubbornly refuses to accept logic. It's hopeless, Johnny.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:28:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: OK, please point to a single thing I'd said that is a lie.
I am definitely against RMT.
Oh, you sold your mining character so you were the one that lied when you claimed to be a miner that I seek to support.
If you really want to experience Eve how about leaving your NPC corp and actually play the game.
The troll is strong in this one.....
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
I didn't lie. I said I was a miner. The main reason I sold my mining toon is because there was no money in it. Because the mineral market was destroyed. And Mittens and co convinced CCP to make changes in the drone regions so mineral prices would be more attractive to miners. You have deliberately ignored this fact in post after post.
I've been in a number of corps as a casual player. I've done many activities at various points during my time in eve. And at no point did I consider voting for you. I started posting in response to your question about why empire dwellers voted for Mittens. Then I decided to post in this thread when it was clear you weren't trying to get real information from your other thread. You've just been parroting the same thing people have shot down again and again at this point - that the current CSM has done nothing for mining which is a lie. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:35:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that.
Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?
If you want to talk about that we can have a conversation.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
Okay, let's leave "goons and friends" out of this for a moment. Why would a miner vote for you instead of, say, Seleene? Because a miner might ask why I should vote for a character that made no claim to improve mining if elected to the CSM 7 and has time in previous CSMs to try and improve mining and never seemed to have shown any interest.... Just saying, but that is an excellent question, thanks for making this a more useful debate! By the way, as posted in another thread when the election began, Seleene was one of the previous CSM I'd support for reelection. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate Seleene has advocated a full blown industrial expansion in his thread. The current CSM has advocated strongly for a drone mineral nerf. Drone region minerals probably damage the mineral market more than just about anything else. Issler is the Michelle Bachmann of the CSM7 elections. Quotes false stuff and stubbornly refuses to accept logic. It's hopeless, Johnny.
A blitzner again!
An industrial expansion that doesn't actually expand the current mining experience. Maybe more isk/hr, but no more fun/hr when mining. And you can't refute the comment about lack of interest while in previous CSMs. And I said I supports Seleene's election. I was asked why someone might vote for me instead and I answered the question.
I'll say this one more time..... when I talk about improving mining in Eve.... I mean the FUN PER HOUR as well as the income. No other candidate has expressed interest in that.
By the way, Hans is in no way a supporter of Seleene.
I may not win but the one thing I've done this election is not attack the other candidate and have been 100% honest even if I didn't think it was in my best interest in terms off total vote count.
Issler Dainze 100% Honest to the Pilots of Eve The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:06:00 -
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Barnabas O'Malley wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: OK, please point to a single thing I'd said that is a lie.
I am definitely against RMT.
Oh, you sold your mining character so you were the one that lied when you claimed to be a miner that I seek to support.
If you really want to experience Eve how about leaving your NPC corp and actually play the game.
The troll is strong in this one.....
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
I didn't lie. I said I was a miner. The main reason I sold my mining toon is because there was no money in it. Because the mineral market was destroyed. And Mittens and co convinced CCP to make changes in the drone regions so mineral prices would be more attractive to miners. You have deliberately ignored this fact in post after post. I've been in a number of corps as a casual player. I've done many activities at various points during my time in eve. And at no point did I consider voting for you. I started posting in response to your question about why empire dwellers voted for Mittens. Then I decided to post in this thread when it was clear you weren't trying to get real information from your other thread. You've just been parroting the same thing people have shot down again and again at this point - that the current CSM has done nothing for mining which is a lie.
If you think the idea of finally getting around to nerfing the drone drops was just mittens you have been living in a hole. This has been discussed and actively suggested to CCP way before the CSM 6. What I do remember the CSM 6 bringing up as their own idea was nerfing ore in WHs.
So is this character an alt? Why wouldn't you post with your main? Would your main be in the goons?
If I didn't respond to you in a manner that you liked its because seemed pretty clear you weren't what you represented yourself to be. You post with an alt and make claims that were not intended to start a reasonable discourse. You just wanted to blindly discredit without taking the time to build a reasoned case and do your homework about what I stand for.
So how about posting your next reply with that main that owned the hulk you claimed was no longer worth your time to fly. By the way all my corp members are still mining and although they support making mining better seem to be able to make a decent living even with the depressed mineral prices. Maybe you were never in a decent mining corp!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
170
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:12:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: A blitzner again!
An industrial expansion that doesn't actually expand the current mining experience. Maybe more isk/hr, but no more fun/hr when mining. And you can't refute the comment about lack of interest while in previous CSMs. And I said I supports Seleene's election. I was asked why someone might vote for me instead and I answered the question.
I'll say this one more time..... when I talk about improving mining in Eve.... I mean the FUN PER HOUR as well as the income. No other candidate has expressed interest in that.
By the way, Hans is in no way a supporter of Seleene.
I may not win but the one thing I've done this election is not attack the other candidate and have been 100% honest even if I didn't think it was in my best interest in terms off total vote count.
Issler Dainze 100% Honest to the Pilots of Eve The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
Hans and Seleene are friends, actually.
So you want to change the actual mechanic for mining, making it more engaging as opposed to making mining more profitable? Cool, Hans has talked about this as well. There has been quite a bit of discussion in his campaign thread and on his blog about iterating on the actual mining mechanic to make it more engaging for players, and a lot of cool ideas have been proposed by him and those participating in the discussion.
Have any ideas on how to improve the "fun/hour" ? Or is this another case of "I'll do what the community tells me to do!" and you don't have any ideas yourself.
BTW, having your own ideas doesn't make you a self-serving individual with an agenda to push. It gives people a basis on which to judge the merit of your intelligence and creativity. You're right, having your own ideas doesn't mean that CCP will use them, but what it does mean is that when CCP gives the CSM a list of ideas protected by NDA, we voters will have some idea of how our CSM rep. might react. (I.E. if they have had their own good ideas, maybe they will recognize CCP's good ideas and push for those, or perhaps they will recognize if one of CCP's ideas is total ****, etc.)
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
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Andski
GoonWaffe
3232
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:13:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:I am definitely against RMT. funny how you said that the only people who are against RMT are those without the $$$ (and certainly not CCP who probably doesn't like the higher operating costs from all the 23.5/7 bots) and how there's no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to sell off your assets for real money
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.03.20 03:03:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: If you think the idea of finally getting around to nerfing the drone drops was just mittens you have been living in a hole. This has been discussed and actively suggested to CCP way before the CSM 6. What I do remember the CSM 6 bringing up as their own idea was nerfing ore in WHs. You need to read my earlier posts more closely. You ignored what I actually wrote. Go re-read some of my posts and if you have a problem quote them here.
Also, why did you not mention this in your initial platform and instead focus on an arbitrary change in mining mechanics which is to have more "fun per hour" instead of the far more populist issue with mineral prices?
Issler Dainze wrote:So is this character an alt? Why wouldn't you post with your main? Would your main be in the goons? This character is my main. I find it odd you didn't bring this up when I first posted in your other thread.
Issler Dainze wrote:If I didn't respond to you in a manner that you liked its because seemed pretty clear you weren't what you represented yourself to be. You post with an alt and make claims that were not intended to start a reasonable discourse. You just wanted to blindly discredit without taking the time to build a reasoned case and do your homework about what I stand for. It's not a question of how you responded. It's the fact that you kept parroting false talking points which said that the CSM nothing to address problems with mining and the like. My first post was a direct response to your question in your other thread.
It's not "blindly" discrediting something if I've read your vague platform and then weighed it against my own experiences ingame and arguments from other members of the eve community.
Issler Dainze wrote:So how about posting your next reply with that main that owned the hulk you claimed was no longer worth your time to fly. By the way all my corp members are still mining and although they support making mining better seem to be able to make a decent living even with the depressed mineral prices. Maybe you were never in a decent mining corp! If the mineral market is bad, it doesn't matter how good your corp is. The hit you take to your isk/hour is unacceptable either way. And speaking from experience as a miner, most miners mine for isk. "FUN PER HOUR" and isk per hour are one and the same.
Again you really need to read my posts more closely. How can I post with a "main" that I sold? You even quoted the fact that I sold it and now you want me to post on it. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.20 06:07:00 -
[833] - Quote
Barnabas O'Malley wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: If you think the idea of finally getting around to nerfing the drone drops was just mittens you have been living in a hole. This has been discussed and actively suggested to CCP way before the CSM 6. What I do remember the CSM 6 bringing up as their own idea was nerfing ore in WHs. You need to read my earlier posts more closely. You ignored what I actually wrote. Go re-read some of my posts and if you have a problem quote them here. Also, why did you not mention this in your initial platform and instead focus on an arbitrary change in mining mechanics which is to have more "fun per hour" instead of the far more populist issue with mineral prices? Issler Dainze wrote:So is this character an alt? Why wouldn't you post with your main? Would your main be in the goons? This character is my main. I find it odd you didn't bring this up when I first posted in your other thread. Issler Dainze wrote:If I didn't respond to you in a manner that you liked its because seemed pretty clear you weren't what you represented yourself to be. You post with an alt and make claims that were not intended to start a reasonable discourse. You just wanted to blindly discredit without taking the time to build a reasoned case and do your homework about what I stand for. It's not a question of how you responded. It's the fact that you kept parroting false talking points which said that the CSM nothing to address problems with mining and the like. My first post was a direct response to your question in your other thread. It's not "blindly" discrediting something if I've read your vague platform and then weighed it against my own experiences ingame and arguments from other members of the eve community. Issler Dainze wrote:So how about posting your next reply with that main that owned the hulk you claimed was no longer worth your time to fly. By the way all my corp members are still mining and although they support making mining better seem to be able to make a decent living even with the depressed mineral prices. Maybe you were never in a decent mining corp! If the mineral market is bad, it doesn't matter how good your corp is. The hit you take to your isk/hour is unacceptable either way. And speaking from experience as a miner, most miners mine for isk. "FUN PER HOUR" and isk per hour are one and the same. Again you really need to read my posts more closely. How can I post with a "main" that I sold? You even quoted the fact that I sold it and now you want me to post on it.
Your main character with an employment history of one NPC corp says it all.
So why should I waste my time speaking to someone who can invent any history they want.
You won't vote for me, fine, but at least I'm who I say I am.
Issler Dainze The miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.20 06:23:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: A blitzner again!
An industrial expansion that doesn't actually expand the current mining experience. Maybe more isk/hr, but no more fun/hr when mining. And you can't refute the comment about lack of interest while in previous CSMs. And I said I supports Seleene's election. I was asked why someone might vote for me instead and I answered the question.
I'll say this one more time..... when I talk about improving mining in Eve.... I mean the FUN PER HOUR as well as the income. No other candidate has expressed interest in that.
By the way, Hans is in no way a supporter of Seleene.
I may not win but the one thing I've done this election is not attack the other candidate and have been 100% honest even if I didn't think it was in my best interest in terms off total vote count.
Issler Dainze 100% Honest to the Pilots of Eve The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
Hans and Seleene are friends, actually. So you want to change the actual mechanic for mining, making it more engaging as opposed to making mining more profitable? Cool, Hans has talked about this as well. There has been quite a bit of discussion in his campaign thread and on his blog about iterating on the actual mining mechanic to make it more engaging for players, and a lot of cool ideas have been proposed by him and those participating in the discussion. Have any ideas on how to improve the "fun/hour" ? Or is this another case of "I'll do what the community tells me to do!" and you don't have any ideas yourself. BTW, having your own ideas doesn't make you a self-serving individual with an agenda to push. It gives people a basis on which to judge the merit of your intelligence and creativity. You're right, having your own ideas doesn't mean that CCP will use them, but what it does mean is that when CCP gives the CSM a list of ideas protected by NDA, we voters will have some idea of how our CSM rep. might react. (I.E. if they have had their own good ideas, maybe they will recognize CCP's good ideas and push for those, or perhaps they will recognize if one of CCP's ideas is total ****, etc.)
So before the election stared I was eve mailed by Hans to ask me not to run and support him instead, He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection.
I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign. So please show me the Hans being about making mining more fun. Never said that and he sure hasn't made it front and center in his campaign.
I have posted lots of suggestions including things like comets which you would know if did any research about my campaign.
My ideas aren't self serving because my ideas will be vetted in the public forums along with every other decent idea and ultimately chosen or filtered out before presented to CCP.
So keep on blitnering you blitzner! Your candidate is awesome I'm sure. Sadly he attracts fanboys that can't keep this election positive and about merit and feel the need to attack the other canidates.
If I am so horrible and my ideas and stands on issues in Eve why are you wasting your time posting here. My horrible anti-appeal as a candidate would have me fail on my own...... right?
Maybe I'm not so bad and you fear I might be connecting, otherwise why waste your time posting here?
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
PS.... for the Blitzers.. the eve mail from your hero..... an email I received prior to the election... bolded some of my favorite parts.. by the way, Hans seems like a decent candidate, but I am not going negative and I wish his supporters would have done the same.....
Hello Issler,
I invite you to check out the launch of my campaign in Jita Park. I am ineterested to hear what you think of my campaign and platform, take the time to review everything carefully.
I have been private about this, and not announced previously, because I needed all the commitments in place to know that I was secure as a front-runner in this race.
Unfortunately, due to the stakes of the election, while I sympathize with many of the party's values I do not believe it is possible to obtain mutiple seats when faced with an array of null blocs and incumbents. I cannot in good conscience support a "party strategy" with multiple candidates if I already believe it will not be enough to defeat the top 7. We need to pick one candidate for Empire against the 0.0 blocs, and run with them.
However, since you did promise to lend your support to the candidate with the best chance of winning, I invite you to review my campaign, and decide whether it is one you would consider supporting rather than running as a competitor and thinning down the crucial vote concentration we will need to defeat the incumbents and place a TRUE empire candidate (as supposed to Trebor, Seleene, etc, who all pander) in the top 7.
I will be asking Kelduum Revaan and the other "front runners" to consider the same - are you truly prepared? Do you have a voting core? If not, I'm afraid its too late. However, I hope you will find me quite passionate, rational, and most of all, driven to succeed and following a winning game plan.
Take your time, I know these are difficult decisions... but I'm hoping we can work together and have no hard feelings.
Best of luck whatever you decide,
o7 -Hans
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
225
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:56:00 -
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Not long now. Good luck |
Severian Carnifex
106
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Posted - 2012.03.20 12:04:00 -
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Issler, we, miners, are crossing fingers for you. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2081
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Posted - 2012.03.20 15:44:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: So before the election stared I was eve mailed by Hans to ask me not to run and support him instead, He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection.
I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign. So please show me the Hans being about making mining more fun. Never said that and he sure hasn't made it front and center in his campaign.
I can take it from here, Vordak.
Issler, I don't know what to say. This is neither the first time you've misconstrued my campaign platform (due to not actually ever reading my campaign platform), nor the first time you've made a knee-jerk statement about me without doing your research. I have great respect for Seleene and Trebor both, they've worked hard during their terms as CSM6 members and are both worthy of re-election. Votes for either of them would be very well-spent.
Do yourself a favor and conduct yourself with a bit of grace during the final hours of the election here, I hate to see it end like this. Kindly remove pasting personal communications in public forums and show some respect for your fellow candidates that have worked hard this campaign season. There just isn't any good reason to be muck-raking in the eleventh hour, unless this is how you want your campaign to be remembered.
I thought we were having a friendly conversation last night, I'm really disappointed to log in this morning to such nonsense. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2852
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Posted - 2012.03.20 16:06:00 -
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ahahahahaha issler, staring yet another humiliation in the face, goes full crazy |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2852
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Posted - 2012.03.20 16:07:00 -
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can't wait for voting results to be released, they will be glorious |
Grumpy Owly
351
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Posted - 2012.03.20 16:44:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign. So please show me the Hans being about making mining more fun. Never said that and he sure hasn't made it front and center in his campaign.
As you request, nicely front and center in his campaign:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Joyitii wrote:Mining thoughts.... Checked out the thread. Textural mapping or spin rate variation to distinguish between asteroids that are named the same on overview, but contain varying amounts of ore is brilliant. It is perhaps the most beautiful solution to the problem I've seen so far. And developmentally, this makes a lot of sense. We've just overhauled planets, nebulas, warp tunnels, and now the ships themselves.....leaving asteroid belts as sadly one of the most graphically outdated features in the game. It makes absolute sense to me to build a "captcha" into the markings of the asteroids, their shape, or their motion, and solve the botting issue without even having to do much more work than they should be doing anyways to keep up with their artwork schedule. DEATH TO ALL BOTS. I favor solutions that elevate mining as a profession. I also believe in addressing problems at their root. Currently mining is not a well-respected profession, despite it being such a critical part of the EvE economy. One of the root causes of this is that the game mechanics are so simplistic that artificial intelligence can substitute for human intuition. This is not the fault of the players. The resulting arguments over who is botting and who isn't absolute tear the EvE community to shreds year after year. It fuels griefing, it causes massive distrust amongst all sorts of player entities, even reaching the CSM itself. This is in no way the kind of "good conflict" that drives game activity and keeps things fun. It's quite the opposite. If we can convince CCP there's an accessible solution to the bot problem, that they can even sell well as part of an expansion (customers love new shineys!) I think its a win-win-win for the entire EvE community. Consider this a solution I can push to the developers if elected, until someone shows me something better.
Also has suggestions in his campaign platform of a similar nature. These comments are well over a month old.
As such all I see is a vain attempt to claim possesion or a monopoly on certain elements of gameplay or ideas in your campaign Issler.
I would have thought to maintain respect you would have researched these claims and not been so insular to believe your either the only candidate that has concerns about these views or that others might be incapable of seeing it as an issue.
It's left with a bad view of you personally. I had some aspect of respect previously and sympathy from certain trolling and threadnaughting behaviour to your campaign position due to the Goons. But now you seem to have resorted to similar unfounded tactics in what I believe now is to try a poistion yourself at the 11th hour as the singular goto candidate on mining or industrial work, presumably to scoop up any last votes associated with that area.
I would have thought it more important to keep your respect and try to work with other candidates at this point in the election campaign as you may end up having to work as a colleague on the CSM if succesfull with certain individuals?
I and my alts have already voted and they include some aspect of industrial work including some portion of mining but isn't the main focus. But they did not vote for you and I'm glad now, as your tolerances for others or the blinkered crusade you have adopted has done nothing for me but to see you as an slightly irrational pilot with a zealous focus to one area that may jeapordise an ability to see other issues as a result.
All the best for the campaign still but you might just have lost any CSM 8 credibility with me as a result also. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1269
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Posted - 2012.03.20 18:19:00 -
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[quote=Hans Jagerblitzen][quote=Issler Dainze So before the election stared I was eve mailed by Hans to ask me not to run and support him instead, He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection
I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign. So please show me the Hans being about making mining more fun. Never said that and he sure hasn't made it front and center in his campaign.[/quote
I can take it from here, Vordak
Issler, I don't know what to say. This is neither the first time you've misconstrued my campaign platform (due to not actually ever reading my campaign platform), nor the first time you've made a knee-jerk statement about me without doing your research. [i] I have great respect for Seleene and Trebor both, they've worked hard during their terms as CSM6 members and are both worthy of re-election. Votes for either of them would be very well-spent. [/i
Do yourself a favor and conduct yourself with a bit of grace during the final hours of the election here, I hate to see it end like this. Kindly remove any personal communications from public forums and show some respect for your fellow candidates that have worked hard this campaign season. There just isn't any good reason to be muck-raking in the eleventh hour, unless this is how you want your campaign to be remembered
I thought we were having a friendly conversation last night, I'm really disappointed to log in this morning to such nonsense.[/quote
How is it nonsense. I stand by anything I eve mail and I can see what your motivation was to narrow the field. There is nothing particularly bad in your email but it does refute clearly that you would support Seleene as a mining candidate counter to the claim of your supporter
I have not posted in any other campaign thread anything but support for the candidates I hope to work besides and none of my supporters are in your thread raking the muck, sadly, you can't say the same. I've kept this positive and civil and I'll stick by what I've posted
Issler Dainz The Miner's Frien CSM 7 Candidate |
Grumpy Owly
351
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Posted - 2012.03.20 18:30:00 -
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Then please cite evidence to support your claims Issler, because all evidence points to the contrary.
I used less than 10 mins to despoil your attempts to undermine Hans position about Mining.
So please where is this evidence to suggest Hans is less than supportive of Selene and Trebor? So far all we have seen is your word on a position about Hans and subsequently he has remarked he is supportive of their campaigns.
Where is the validity in your "100% honesty" campaign. As the opinions only you are projecting or the incorrect statements I already have shown to be incorrect say otherwise. Where's the evidence?
If you can't produce anything to support your claims, and yet have been shown to be incorrect, I'd suggest using humble pie and perhaps an apology? Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2854
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Posted - 2012.03.20 18:33:00 -
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one of the more hilarious things is issler still hasn't figured out the concept of a forums signature |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1269
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Posted - 2012.03.20 18:53:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign. So please show me the Hans being about making mining more fun. Never said that and he sure hasn't made it front and center in his campaign.[/quote As you request, nicely front and center in his campaign [quote=Hans Jagerblitzen][quote=Joyitii]Mining thoughts....[/quote Checked out the thread. Textural mapping or spin rate variation to distinguish between asteroids that are named the same on overview, but contain varying amounts of ore is brilliant. It is perhaps the most beautiful solution to the problem I've seen so far. And developmentally, this makes a lot of sense. We've just overhauled planets, nebulas, warp tunnels, and now the ships themselves.....leaving asteroid belts as sadly one of the most graphically outdated features in the game. It makes absolute sense to me to build a "captcha" into the markings of the asteroids, their shape, or their motion, and solve the botting issue without even having to do much more work than they should be doing anyways to keep up with their artwork schedule. DEATH TO ALL BOTS. I favor solutions that elevate mining as a profession. I also believe in addressing problems at their root. Currently mining is not a well-respected profession, despite it being such a critical part of the EvE economy. One of the root causes of this is that the game mechanics are so simplistic that artificial intelligence can substitute for human intuition. This is not the fault of the players. The resulting arguments over who is botting and who isn't absolute tear the EvE community to shreds year after year. It fuels griefing, it causes massive distrust amongst all sorts of player entities, even reaching the CSM itself. This is in no way the kind of "good conflict" that drives game activity and keeps things fun. It's quite the opposite. If we can convince CCP there's an accessible solution to the bot problem, that they can even sell well as part of an expansion (customers love new shineys!) I think its a win-win-win for the entire EvE community. Consider this a solution I can push to the developers if elected, until someone shows me something better. Also has suggestions in his campaign platform of a similar nature. These comments are well over a month old As such all I see is a vain attempt to claim possesion or a monopoly on certain elements of gameplay or ideas in your campaign Issler I would have thought to maintain respect you would have researched these claims and not been so insular to believe your either the only candidate that has concerns about these views or that others might be incapable of seeing it as an issue It's left with a bad view of you personally. I had some aspect of respect previously and sympathy from certain trolling and threadnaughting behaviour to your campaign position due to the Goons. But now you seem to have resorted to similar unfounded tactics in what I believe now is to try a poistion yourself at the 11th hour as the singular goto candidate on mining or industrial work, presumably to scoop up any last votes associated with that area I would have thought it more important to keep your respect and try to work with other candidates at this point in the election campaign as you may end up having to work as a colleague on the CSM if succesfull with certain individuals I and my alts have already voted and they include some aspect of industrial work including some portion of mining but isn't the main focus. But they did not vote for you and I'm glad now, as your tolerances for others or the blinkered crusade you have adopted has done nothing for me but to see you as an slightly irrational pilot with a zealous focus to one area that may jeapordise an ability to see other issues as a result All the best for the campaign still but you might just have lost any CSM 8 credibility with me as a result also.
There is nothing "unfounded" in my response, if there is could you point it out to me
Hans can't claim to be trying to support the same group of players I am trying to support. That is the point. His play style and interest are not high sec focused or mining focused which mine have consistently been for the eight plus years I've been in Eve. I haven't attacked him nor have I attempted lure his voters. The same can be said for my supporters. That can no longer be said for Hans or some of his supporters. Hans had run a great campaign and looks to doing very well. But he started out planning on displacing me and undermining my support from the start
I'm sorry if you feel I've lost credibility with you, you seem like a reasonable fellow, but I've been consistent, honest and positive throughout this campaign despite the constant barrage of trolls and attacks
I've run this campaign on some very simple ideas. High sec can come together and get a voice in the CSM 7. Miners are way overdue for some attention from CCP and finally if I am elected I will make sure the ideas presented by me to the CSM/CCP are the refined with the players actively involved. If that isn't what you want from a candidate then I'm not the person you should support
As for CSM 8, I am definitely not spending any time thinking about the, I'm just trying to survive CSM 7! [:)
Issler Dainz The Miner's Frien CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1269
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Posted - 2012.03.20 18:56:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:one of the more hilarious things is issler still hasn't figured out the concept of a forums signature
I sign my posts because it seems to annoy the goons. We've been over this before. Again, you can do better.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1269
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Posted - 2012.03.20 18:58:00 -
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Andski wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I am definitely against RMT. funny how you said that the only people who are against RMT are those without the $$$ (and certainly not CCP who probably doesn't like the higher operating costs from all the 23.5/7 bots) and how there's no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to sell off your assets for real money
Late to the party I see, this claim that I support this has already been debunked. I did use this argument to get some less than brilliant goons wrapped around the axle in a chat at the beginning of the election.
Issler |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2854
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:00:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Weaselior wrote:one of the more hilarious things is issler still hasn't figured out the concept of a forums signature I sign my posts because it seems to annoy the goons. We've been over this before. Again, you can do better. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate no you have not figured out the concept of a forums signature, that automatically appends a signature to your post so you stop typoing it |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2854
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:01:00 -
[848] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Andski wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I am definitely against RMT. funny how you said that the only people who are against RMT are those without the $$$ (and certainly not CCP who probably doesn't like the higher operating costs from all the 23.5/7 bots) and how there's no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to sell off your assets for real money Late to the party I see, this claim that I support this has already been debunked. I did use this argument to get some less than brilliant goons wrapped around the axle in a chat at the beginning of the election. Issler "by senslessly thrashing me on my dumb statements, you have merely fallen into my trap where i wanted you to senselessly thrash me on my dumb comments! now you know what it is to be owned" |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
176
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:02:00 -
[849] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Weaselior wrote:one of the more hilarious things is issler still hasn't figured out the concept of a forums signature I sign my posts because it seems to annoy the goons. We've been over this before. Again, you can do better. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate no you have not figured out the concept of a forums signature, that automatically appends a signature to your post so you stop typoing it
But that way she can't change it and adapt ti to every post.
@ Issler Indy players believe in you! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2854
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:03:00 -
[850] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: Hans can't claim to be trying to support the same group of players I am trying to support. That is the point.
that's an embarassment to your campaign, as all the "non-mining" candidates have better ideas, better analysis, and better platforms on the issue of mining
in other words you are such a failure you can't even beat people on your pet issue |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1269
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:06:00 -
[851] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Then please cite evidence to support your claims Issler, because all evidence points to the contrary.
I used less than 10 mins to find actual facts to despoil your attempts to undermine Hans position about Mining.
So please where is this evidence to suggest Hans is less than supportive of Selene and Trebor? So far all we have seen is your word on a position about Hans and subsequently he has remarked he is supportive of their campaigns.
Where is the validity in your "100% honesty" campaign. As the opinions only you are projecting or the incorrect statements I already have shown to be incorrect say otherwise. Where's the evidence?
If you can't produce anything to support your claims, and yet have been shown to be incorrect, I'd suggest using humble pie and perhaps an apology?
You can't claim it is that important to him if it took you 10 minutes to find.
Front and center is not 174th post in a thread and it is buried in the bible of everything in Eve corrected Hans has provided.
I have made mining all I'm really talking about. We couldn't have been more apart in how we ran our campaigns.
Less support, did you read his email, he called them panderers.
What incorrect statement have I made?
Sorry you have lost faith in me, but clearly you never really had much to start if you are making such a huge effort to elevate Hans and ignore his own mail to me I share.
Thanks for what you have posted in my threads, good luck in the future, fly safe. I'm going back to talking about issues and not spending any more time responding to personal attacks.
If you want to talk issue, then sure, I'm all ears. If you want rake the muck, I have better things to do.
Also as a final comment, at no time have I attacked Hans, I've been pretty complimentary in fact, what I have said and I'll say it again is we ran for CSM 7 with very different approaches.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1269
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:08:00 -
[852] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Weaselior wrote:one of the more hilarious things is issler still hasn't figured out the concept of a forums signature I sign my posts because it seems to annoy the goons. We've been over this before. Again, you can do better. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate no you have not figured out the concept of a forums signature, that automatically appends a signature to your post so you stop typoing it
I don't because I change them often based on the response.
Issler Dainze Often with a different Signature! Signing Posts to annoy the people that deserve annoying! The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1269
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:14:00 -
[853] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Hans can't claim to be trying to support the same group of players I am trying to support. That is the point.
that's an embarassment to your campaign, as all the "non-mining" candidates have better ideas, better analysis, and better platforms on the issue of mining in other words you are such a failure you can't even beat people on your pet issue
See, now this a slightly better troll than most of the recent ones.
Thanks for starting to take the time to show you really care about the quality of your forum harassment! It makes me feel special!
Issler Dainze No telling what could be in the sig this time! The Miner's Friend! Running an honest and positive campaign! On very simple ideas! Like being the Miner's Friend in the CSM 7 Or wanting CCP to open the door Or that High Sec deserves a voice in the CSM CSM 7 Candidate
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Grumpy Owly
352
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:15:00 -
[854] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Hans can't claim to be trying to support the same group of players I am trying to support. That is the point.
that's an embarassment to your campaign, as all the "non-mining" candidates have better ideas, better analysis, and better platforms on the issue of mining in other words you are such a failure you can't even beat people on your pet issue
Actually its this kind of self righteous assumed monopoly on ideas that makes this scary.
And I guess no evidence to your claims above either as you suggested just continual ravings to points you can't backup. Such amazing integrity. Especially when there is hard evidence to contradict your statements, which you now also simply want to dismiss.
For me I'm seeing the true Issler now, no longer wishing you any success in the CSM. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:24:00 -
[855] - Quote
You know? I am like on my second bag of popcorn. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1269
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:26:00 -
[856] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Hans can't claim to be trying to support the same group of players I am trying to support. That is the point.
that's an embarassment to your campaign, as all the "non-mining" candidates have better ideas, better analysis, and better platforms on the issue of mining in other words you are such a failure you can't even beat people on your pet issue Actually its this kind of self righteous assumed monopoly on ideas that makes this scary. And I guess no evidence to your claims above either as you suggested just continual ravings to points you can't backup. Such amazing integrity. Especially when there is hard evidence to contradict your statements, which you now also simply want to dismiss. For me I'm seeing the true Issler now, no longer wishing you any success in the CSM.
How can I be told that I am claiming a monopoly on ideas when my whole platform is based on bringing the best of the players ideas to the CSM?
As for my statement that Hans doesn't represent the players I seek to represent. Here is a simple example. Last night Hans and I were both cruising through the trade hubs spread our message. The difference was I wasn't being chased by concord while I did it. Hans was bright red because his play style has resulted in seriously negative security status. Not what you would expect from someone that would be a "high sec" candidate.
Hans has some great ideas and a large base of players he can do a great job for. But the segment I choose to represent, the high sec miner, is not a group he has ever focused on and would likely never focus on. Because his play style isn't related to that segment of players. That isn't an attack, that is a simple fact.
Can Hans do a great job for a sizable part of Eve? Yes! Is Hans more representative of high sec miners? No, not at all.
Not an attack, a fact. Sorry if facts make you support me less because I tend to rely on facts and reality a lot in my approach o life.
Issler Dainze Sorry I lost Grumpy Owl The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1269
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:28:00 -
[857] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:You know? I am like on my second bag of popcorn.
If I manage to other success in the CSM 7 election, my threads were some interesting reading.....
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1269
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:33:00 -
[858] - Quote
For folks that complained about me saying I believed I represent high miners more than Hans, I'll share this from Hans' own campaign thread.
Jade Constantine wrote:Keep voting Hans for a lowsec/FW/small gang focus for the next development cycle!
I think that is a better description of who he supports and what the heck is wrong with that?
That is a great segment of players and what it seemed to me to be the segment Hans set out to represent.
The CSM is healthier if we have a diverse group of members with varied focus. The path to success is not to try and claim you are better at representing every segment in Eve than the other guy because you can't be.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Grumpy Owly
352
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:38:00 -
[859] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Hans can't claim to be trying to support the same group of players I am trying to support. That is the point.
that's an embarassment to your campaign, as all the "non-mining" candidates have better ideas, better analysis, and better platforms on the issue of mining in other words you are such a failure you can't even beat people on your pet issue Actually its this kind of self righteous assumed monopoly on ideas that makes this scary. And I guess no evidence to your claims above either as you suggested just continual ravings to points you can't backup. Such amazing integrity. Especially when there is hard evidence to contradict your statements, which you now also simply want to dismiss. For me I'm seeing the true Issler now, no longer wishing you any success in the CSM. How can I be told that I am claiming a monopoly on ideas when my whole platform is based on bringing the best of the players ideas to the CSM?
Since you are suggesting that someone "can't" claim to support a particular group. Its directly prohibitive by definition and as such assumes you have some singular interest that others can't in any way offer interest or support to.
You asked to see where Hans has suggested that mining could be more fun, as you beleived there was no evidence, I supported that with evidence that took me no time to find by using an EvE search feature. You now want to dismiss it as invalid so that it doesnt hurt your claim you made in error about another candidate.
You can't support your other claims which are in effect "mud" slinging attempts to discredit another candidate other than your own opinion.
It's not my problem that you have adopted a "theme" or narrow set of interests to represent. But it does not in anyway give you some kind of special right to suggest that others are unable to utilise the subject material in their own campaigns or actually show an interest into your area you think you have some special claim to.
I'm sure Hans will be humble and suggest he may not be the most experienced miner. For which you may have better experience in representing. But its does not mean it has to be an outright exclusion principal, or that some aspect of awareness cannot be derived.
My main problem is the fact you are using unbased claims for which there is contrary evidence and not backing any of your points up except with arrogance and opinion. That is why you have lost my support. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1269
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:51:00 -
[860] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Hans can't claim to be trying to support the same group of players I am trying to support. That is the point.
that's an embarassment to your campaign, as all the "non-mining" candidates have better ideas, better analysis, and better platforms on the issue of mining in other words you are such a failure you can't even beat people on your pet issue Actually its this kind of self righteous assumed monopoly on ideas that makes this scary. And I guess no evidence to your claims above either as you suggested just continual ravings to points you can't backup. Such amazing integrity. Especially when there is hard evidence to contradict your statements, which you now also simply want to dismiss. For me I'm seeing the true Issler now, no longer wishing you any success in the CSM. How can I be told that I am claiming a monopoly on ideas when my whole platform is based on bringing the best of the players ideas to the CSM? Since you are suggesting that someone "can't" claim to support a particular group. Its directly prohibitive by definition and as such assumes you have some singular interest that others can't in any way offer interest or support to. You asked to see where Hans has suggested that mining could be more fun, as you beleived there was no evidence, I supported that with evidence that took me no time to find by using an EvE search feature. You now want to dismiss it as invalid so that it doesnt hurt your claim you made in error about another candidate. You can't support your other claims which are in effect "mud" slinging attempts to discredit another candidate other than your own opinion. It's not my problem that you have adopted a "theme" or narrow set of interests to represent. But it does not in anyway give you some kind of special right to suggest that others are unable to utilise the subject material in their own campaigns. I'm sure Hans will be humble and suggest he may not be the most experienced miner. For which you may have better experience in representing. But its does not mean it has to be an outright exclusion principal, or that some aspect of awareness cannot be derived. My main problem is the fact you are using unbased claims for which there is contrary evidence and not backing any of your points up expcept with arrogance and opinion. That is why you have lost my support.
Again, I never claimed Hans didn't have mining ideas, I said he wasn't focusing his campaign on them. I would type it in bigger letters if I could so after I point that out yet again you might actually process that.
I didn't mud sling! How much more positive could I be towards Hans other than say vote for him which I am not going to do.
Again, you have no interest in reading what I've written and responding to that. You've made you mind up and you want to just keep re-posting the same inaccurate statements.
PLEASE CITE ONE UNBASED CLAIM!!
What I claimed and is easy to see if mining was not one of Hans' major areas of focus in his campaign. There is nothing wrong with that, but if you are a miner you are better served by a candidate that started out with that as their primary focus.
Your own claim that it took you 10 minutes to find Hans talking about mining proves it isn't what he is running on. You can see I am running on mining instantly.
So you've made up your mind, you clearly aren't reading anything I've written, what is your goal so I can help you on your way. Telling me you won't support me for CSM 8? OK, no worries, no idea if I'd run for CSM 8. To tell you to vote or Hans? You should if you feel he is the best candidate?
To ignore my response to bump my thread? OK, whatever floats your boat.
Again, if you have an issue to discuss please let me know what it is. But unless you can cite those unbased claims your going on about it seems we've hit an impasse.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend Changing up the sig to see if anyone is watching CSM 7 Candidate
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2081
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:56:00 -
[861] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: As for my statement that Hans doesn't represent the players I seek to represent. Here is a simple example. Last night Hans and I were both cruising through the trade hubs spread our message. The difference was I wasn't being chased by concord while I did it. Hans was bright red because his play style has resulted in seriously negative security status. Not what you would expect from someone that would be a "high sec" candidate.
Hans has some great ideas and a large base of players he can do a great job for. But the segment I choose to represent, the high sec miner, is not a group he has ever focused on and would likely never focus on. Because his play style isn't related to that segment of players. That isn't an attack, that is a simple fact.
There is a good reason I wasn't cruising empire space in any of my mining characters (I have several, with maxed skills). I prefer they remain anonymous and not be targeted, same as most people do with their other characters.
I simply can't believe how flippantly you keep using words like "facts" and "proof" without even thinking through your statements. The idea that because ONE of my characters engages in occasional piracy means I cannot represent mining interests, is unfounded. Really, the idea that in-game actions have ANY bearing on a candidates ability to listen to the community and represent their interests is unfounded. My work ethic and history speak for themselves. I have backed up my commitment to the players with ACTIONS that began long before campaign season. I have done far more than sit back and say "I'm ________'s friend, vote for me".
Issler, you need to just stop. Continuing to make blatantly ignorant statements about other candidates is by nature attacking them. Posting private email in an attempt to mislead the public about my relationship with other candidates is by nature attacking them.
You have disrespected my platform, my writings, my lengthy threads, and my work with the community multiple times now, and you continue to do so. This is behavior unbecoming of a CSM member, and you are only giving voters reason NOT to vote for you during these crucial last few hours.
I've tried to give you advice throughout the campaign that you've repeatedly ignored, and that continue to get you into trouble. Here is my last piece of advice - anyone involved with the forums heavily has already cast you vote. You are wasting your time here, and making yourself look more foolish. End this soapboxing, stop posting, and get back to vote-grinding in game. It is the only thing you can do to get more votes at this point, and that is a FACT. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2858
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:58:00 -
[862] - Quote
hans do not try to stop this trainwreck we have only a few hours left and I insist on getting every little bit of joy out of isslerposts before she disappears into her shame hole for another year |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1272
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:19:00 -
[863] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: As for my statement that Hans doesn't represent the players I seek to represent. Here is a simple example. Last night Hans and I were both cruising through the trade hubs spread our message. The difference was I wasn't being chased by concord while I did it. Hans was bright red because his play style has resulted in seriously negative security status. Not what you would expect from someone that would be a "high sec" candidate.
Hans has some great ideas and a large base of players he can do a great job for. But the segment I choose to represent, the high sec miner, is not a group he has ever focused on and would likely never focus on. Because his play style isn't related to that segment of players. That isn't an attack, that is a simple fact.
There is a good reason I wasn't cruising empire space in any of my mining characters (I have several, with maxed skills). I prefer they remain anonymous and not be targeted, same as most people do with their other characters. I simply can't believe how flippantly you keep using words like "facts" and "proof" without even thinking through your statements. The idea that because ONE of my characters engages in occasional piracy means I cannot represent mining interests, is unfounded. Really, the idea that in-game actions have ANY bearing on a candidates ability to listen to the community and represent their interests is unfounded. My work ethic and history speak for themselves. I have backed up my commitment to the players with ACTIONS that began long before campaign season. I have done far more than sit back and say "I'm ________'s friend, vote for me". Issler, you need to just stop. Continuing to make blatantly ignorant statements about other candidates is by nature attacking them. Posting private email in an attempt to mislead the public about my relationship with other candidates is by nature attacking them. You have disrespected my platform, my writings, my lengthy threads, and my work with the community multiple times now, and you continue to do so. This is behavior unbecoming of a CSM member, and you are only giving voters reason NOT to vote for you during these crucial last few hours. I've tried to give you advice throughout the campaign that you've repeatedly ignored, and that continue to get you into trouble. Here is my last piece of advice - anyone involved with the forums heavily has already cast you vote. You are wasting your time here, and making yourself look more foolish. End this soapboxing, stop posting, and get back to vote-grinding in game. It is the only thing you can do to get more votes at this point, and that is a FACT.
I stand by everything I've said about you. That you aren't a high sec miner but now seem to want to be one is a very strange development from a candidate that seems to be doing well by all indications.
A lot of miners wouldn't support a candidate that partakes in any piracy, did that ever occur to you? That you choose to hide your mining characters seem to indicate you want to separate yourself from the plight of the miners.
You've done more in this post to discredit you with any real high sec miner than anything I said.
Let's see, pirate.... afraid to let anyone know who your mining alts are because you might get ganked....
You aren't running as a miner and don't need to be! That should be fine by you!
You have a large segment of players that you seem well suited to represent, why isn't that enough for you? What's with all this last minute vote grabbing? I'm not out trying to claim I'm Captain Awesome for every segment of Eve, why do you need to now?
I take back everything nice I said about you.
Your ego is writing checks you mind can't cash sir! You are not the hero of every aspect of Eve!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1272
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:20:00 -
[864] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:hans do not try to stop this trainwreck we have only a few hours left and I insist on getting every little bit of joy out of isslerposts before she disappears into her shame hole for another year
I feel a little sad, I don't know how you'll fill your days without me around to troll!
Issler |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2858
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:20:00 -
[865] - Quote
"miners don't need anyone with a brain, they need someone who tries to run on mindless tribalism" - the miner's friend |
Grumpy Owly
354
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:32:00 -
[866] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: PLEASE CITE ONE UNBASED CLAIM!!
Again, if you have an issue to discuss please let me know what it is. But unless you can cite those unbased claims your going on about it seems we've hit an impasse.
Fair enough:
Issler Dainze wrote:He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection.
and yet we have:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: I have great respect for Seleene and Trebor both, they've worked hard during their terms as CSM6 members and are both worthy of re-election. Votes for either of them would be very well-spent.
so
Grumpy Owly wrote:Then please cite evidence to support your claims Issler, because all evidence points to the contrary.
For which you haven't.
However to be honest I think Hans puts it quite succintly that it's a collection of assumptions and opinions aswell as these unbased claims that suggest you don't research your material and/or just use your own derived blinkered "truths" rather than empirical evidence to support things. I do find it interesting also that he subsequently does have "HANs on" (sorry for the pun) experience in the subject matter you seem to think he's unqualified to represent.
Anyhow I've had enough of the tall stories from a so called "honest" candidate. Don't wish you any success in the CSM as a result. And have had enough of you simply avoiding your errors further or wanting to simply dismiss them with the same old arrogance. Other candidates on the CSM6 have marked similar undesirable characteristics of this nature.
Also if you persist in your argument that limited experience means an incapable candidate, I would look to your own set of experiences and interests as surely your restricted set would suggest a poorly rounded candidate for the CSM. Fortunatley for you I don't put much stock in this kind of thinking or your arguments too much here. But recognise that candidates may have particular strengths that they can collectively use aswell as player interest and opinion. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Prince Kobol
254
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:33:00 -
[867] - Quote
Issler Dainze - if you think miners would not vote for somebody who enjoys piracy then you are clueless.
I mine, build and sell capital ships on one of my alts and I have no problems with anybody who plays Eve the way they want to play.
The only conditional is that they play with in the rules that have been set out by CCP, so no using exploits, botting etc.. |
Pelador Rova
Paladin Philanthropists
61
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:37:00 -
[868] - Quote
I'm an industrialist prevelant in High sec and I voted for Hans. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2082
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:38:00 -
[869] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:hans do not try to stop this trainwreck we have only a few hours left and I insist on getting every little bit of joy out of isslerposts before she disappears into her shame hole for another year
Apparently there's nothing I can do to stop it, its out of my hands now. I tried my best.
Issler, go do a thorough review of my killboard, show us some suicide ganks, and you can continue with the completely silly argument that my security status means that I can't represent miner interests. Even if I WAS engaging in high sec aggression - it wouldn't have bearing on the job I could do for them. How many war targets have I shot all season long and still have their votes? EVE players are smart enough to know the difference between who you shoot in game, and whether you're vouching for them on the council.
This is what you don't seem to understand. The work of the CSM is listening to players, taking notes on what matters to them, and forwarding this information to CCP, and providing them with good advice. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IN-GAME ACTIONS. Again, there are several hours left in the polls. Instead of being out there looking for more votes, you're taking time here to demonstrate to the public your lack of understanding about how to be an effective CSM member.
You're claiming I'm just now beginning to call myself a miner, despite the fact I've been mining for years. What I didn't do this election was pretend that calling myself anything actually meant anything. That is the naive approach. I chose instead to prove to voters I can do the job of a CSM, by doing the job of a CSM before the election even began.
And yet still, you declare that because I engage neutrals in low sec, I am somehow unfit to work with high sec miners. Prove that I'm a menace, show the public some killmails. Use FACTS or be forever on the record, once again, blatantly lying about another candidate in an attempt to discredit them with a particular voting group you've latched yourself on to and claim as your own. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1273
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:40:00 -
[870] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: PLEASE CITE ONE UNBASED CLAIM!!
Again, if you have an issue to discuss please let me know what it is. But unless you can cite those unbased claims your going on about it seems we've hit an impasse.
Fair enough: Issler Dainze wrote:He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection. and yet we have: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: I have great respect for Seleene and Trebor both, they've worked hard during their terms as CSM6 members and are both worthy of re-election. Votes for either of them would be very well-spent. so Grumpy Owly wrote:Then please cite evidence to support your claims Issler, because all evidence points to the contrary. For which you haven't. However to be honest I think Hans puts it quite succintly that it's a collection of assumptions and opinions aswell as these unbased claims that suggest you don't research your material and/or just use your own derived blinkered "truths" rather than empirical evidence to support things. I do find it interesting also that he subsequently does have "HANs on" (sorry for the pun) experience in the subject matter you seem to think he's unqualified to represent. Anyhow I've had enough of the tall stories from a so called "honest" candidate. Don't wish you any success in the CSM as a result. And have had enough of you simply avoiding your errors further or wanting to simply dismiss them with the same old arrogance. Other candidates on the CSM7 have similar undesirable characteristics of this nature. Also if you persist in your argument that limited experience means an incapable candidate, I would look to your own set of experiences and interests as surely your restricted set would suggest a poorly rounded candidate for the CSM. Fortunatley for you I don't put much stock in this kind of thinking or your arguments too much here. But recognise that candidates may have particular strengths that they can collectively use aswell as player interest and opinion.
You certainly are entitled to have an opinion. Did you know that once a person makes up their mind the more evidence to the contrary the harder that person commits to it? Look for a book called "You are not so smart" to read more about it. You are clearly dug in and way past that point about this. So I won't bother to discuss it with you any further since you haven't read or thought a bit about my response.
Fly safe sir!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend Tried to support Hans but he isn't the "Hero of All Eve" just the "Hero of much of Eve" which should be enough CSM 7 Candidate |
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
5
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:44:00 -
[871] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Did you know that once a person makes up their mind the more evidence to the contrary the harder that person commits to it? Look for a book called " You are not so smart" to read more about it. You are clearly dug in and way past that point about this. I know there's an old adage about a "kettle" that is relevant here. Having trouble remembering it... I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1273
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:45:00 -
[872] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Weaselior wrote:hans do not try to stop this trainwreck we have only a few hours left and I insist on getting every little bit of joy out of isslerposts before she disappears into her shame hole for another year Apparently there's nothing I can do to stop it, its out of my hands now. I tried my best. Issler, go do a thorough review of my killboard, show us some suicide ganks, and you can continue with the completely silly argument that my security status means that I can't represent miner interests. Even if I WAS engaging in high sec aggression - it wouldn't have bearing on the job I could do for them. How many war targets have I shot all season long and still have their votes? EVE players are smart enough to know the difference between who you shoot in game, and whether you're vouching for them on the council. This is what you don't seem to understand. The work of the CSM is listening to players, taking notes on what matters to them, and forwarding this information to CCP, and providing them with good advice. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IN-GAME ACTIONS. Again, there are several hours left in the polls. Instead of being out there looking for more votes, you're taking time here to demonstrate to the public your lack of understanding about how to be an effective CSM member. You're claiming I'm just now beginning to call myself a miner, despite the fact I've been mining for years. What I didn't do this election was pretend that calling myself anything actually meant anything. That is the naive approach. I chose instead to prove to voters I can do the job of a CSM, by doing the job of a CSM before the election even began. And yet still, you declare that because I engage neutrals in low sec, I am somehow unfit to work with high sec miners. Prove that I'm a menace, show the public some killmails. Use FACTS or be forever on the record, once again, blatantly lying about another candidate in an attempt to discredit them with a particular voting group you've latched yourself on to and claim as your own.
Yes, you are hero to all, I support your election, Now please just go away! I did not attack you. But you are not a mining candidate. Fact, not an attack and if your ego wasn't the size of a dirigible you'd be happy being known in this election as the candidate that stands to support an important segment of Eve (even if that doesn't include high sec miners).
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1273
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:46:00 -
[873] - Quote
Karl Hobb wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Did you know that once a person makes up their mind the more evidence to the contrary the harder that person commits to it? Look for a book called " You are not so smart" to read more about it. You are clearly dug in and way past that point about this. I know there's an old adage about a "kettle" that is relevant here. Having trouble remembering it...
I'm not immure to the effect which is why I felt we were at an impasse. I'm just willing to admit it.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2861
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:46:00 -
[874] - Quote
an ego the size of a dirigible beats a head that closely resembles a dirigible in its contents |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:46:00 -
[875] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: PLEASE CITE ONE UNBASED CLAIM!!
Again, if you have an issue to discuss please let me know what it is. But unless you can cite those unbased claims your going on about it seems we've hit an impasse.
Fair enough: Issler Dainze wrote:He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection. and yet we have: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: I have great respect for Seleene and Trebor both, they've worked hard during their terms as CSM6 members and are both worthy of re-election. Votes for either of them would be very well-spent. so Grumpy Owly wrote:Then please cite evidence to support your claims Issler, because all evidence points to the contrary. For which you haven't. However to be honest I think Hans puts it quite succintly that it's a collection of assumptions and opinions aswell as these unbased claims that suggest you don't research your material and/or just use your own derived blinkered "truths" rather than empirical evidence to support things. I do find it interesting also that he subsequently does have "HANs on" (sorry for the pun) experience in the subject matter you seem to think he's unqualified to represent. Anyhow I've had enough of the tall stories from a so called "honest" candidate. Don't wish you any success in the CSM as a result. And have had enough of you simply avoiding your errors further or wanting to simply dismiss them with the same old arrogance. Other candidates on the CSM6 have marked similar undesirable characteristics of this nature. Also if you persist in your argument that limited experience means an incapable candidate, I would look to your own set of experiences and interests as surely your restricted set would suggest a poorly rounded candidate for the CSM. Fortunatley for you I don't put much stock in this kind of thinking or your arguments too much here. But recognise that candidates may have particular strengths that they can collectively use aswell as player interest and opinion.
Grumpy Owly I know you've posted against goons in the past, but lets all unite for a moment in mockery of this terrible, terrible candidate. Some things are funny enough to set out differences aside over.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1273
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:52:00 -
[876] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Grumpy Owly I know you've posted against goons in the past, but lets all unite for a moment in mockery of this terrible, terrible candidate. Some things are funny enough to set out differences aside over.
Grumpy! I bet for only 500 million he can get you into the goons!! I'm feeling a lot of love in this post!
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1273
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:56:00 -
[877] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: PLEASE CITE ONE UNBASED CLAIM!!
Again, if you have an issue to discuss please let me know what it is. But unless you can cite those unbased claims your going on about it seems we've hit an impasse.
Fair enough: Issler Dainze wrote:He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection. and yet we have: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: I have great respect for Seleene and Trebor both, they've worked hard during their terms as CSM6 members and are both worthy of re-election. Votes for either of them would be very well-spent. so Grumpy Owly wrote:Then please cite evidence to support your claims Issler, because all evidence points to the contrary. For which you haven't. However to be honest I think Hans puts it quite succintly that it's a collection of assumptions and opinions aswell as these unbased claims that suggest you don't research your material and/or just use your own derived blinkered "truths" rather than empirical evidence to support things. I do find it interesting also that he subsequently does have "HANs on" (sorry for the pun) experience in the subject matter you seem to think he's unqualified to represent. Anyhow I've had enough of the tall stories from a so called "honest" candidate. Don't wish you any success in the CSM as a result. And have had enough of you simply avoiding your errors further or wanting to simply dismiss them with the same old arrogance. Other candidates on the CSM6 have marked similar undesirable characteristics of this nature. Also if you persist in your argument that limited experience means an incapable candidate, I would look to your own set of experiences and interests as surely your restricted set would suggest a poorly rounded candidate for the CSM. Fortunatley for you I don't put much stock in this kind of thinking or your arguments too much here. But recognise that candidates may have particular strengths that they can collectively use aswell as player interest and opinion.
Did Hans not say
(as supposed to Trebor, Seleene, etc, who all pander)
In the Eve mail he sent me personally? Did you bother to read it? So I had a basis for my position. This is what he really felt at the beginning of the election. I can only take him at his word.
Now I'll stop.
Issler Daine The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Grumpy Owly
354
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:00:00 -
[878] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Grumpy Owly I know you've posted against goons in the past, but lets all unite for a moment in mockery of this terrible, terrible candidate. Some things are funny enough to set out differences aside over.
I think I've done enough for my own personal perspective to get a better understanding of the true colours of this candidate. I don't want to go all e-lawyer on Issler as a part of a campaign process, especially not with less than 24 hours to go. I've read enough, even tried to support Issler previously with posts as per some of the attacks to her campaign and posting where it was equally unfounded.
So in short I don't want to go on an offensive where its unwarrented. There is enough supporting material to qualify my concerns to continue supporting this candidates campaign but will leave it to other players discretion. For certain I won't step in to support the candidate any more with points given what I now know if that is a suitable compromise, seeing as i can't justify doing so anymore. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1273
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:04:00 -
[879] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Grumpy Owly I know you've posted against goons in the past, but lets all unite for a moment in mockery of this terrible, terrible candidate. Some things are funny enough to set out differences aside over.
I think I've done enough for my own personal perspective to get a better understanding of the true colours of this candidate. I don't want to go all e-lawyer on Issler as a part of a campaign process, especially not with less than 24 hours to go. I've read enough, even tried to support Issler previously with posts as per some of the attacks to her campaign and posting where it was equally unfounded. So in short I don't want to go on an offensive where its unwarrented. There is enough supporting material to qualify my concerns to continue supporting this candidates campaign but will leave it to other players discretion. For certain I won't step in to support the candidate any more with points given what I now know if that is a suitable compromise, seeing as i can't justify doing so anymore.
So you choose to ignore the evidence for basis of my claim that Hans described the other candidates as pandering?
OK, no worries....
Issler |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2082
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:09:00 -
[880] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, you are hero to all, I support your election, Now please just go away! I did not attack you. But you are not a mining candidate. Fact, not an attack and if your ego wasn't the size of a dirigible you'd be happy being known in this election as the candidate that stands to support an important segment of Eve (even if that doesn't include high sec miners).
I don't think you even understand what "attacking a candidate" is, because you just did it again. You're being sarcastic, telling everyone I'm not a mining candidate (despite the fact that you have industrialists in your own thread supporting me) and claiming that my ego is somehow out of control.
But by all means, keep at it. I'm stuck away from home right now, I couldn't be logged in stumping for votes if I wanted to. You have an opportunity here to catch up with voters, and yet you continue to squander it by taking up precious time trying to discredit me with remarks about my mining credibility.
The things you say now, and the way you conduct yourself in the final hours here, are how you are going to be remembered should you ever choose to campaign again. You can end the foot stomping and finger pointing, and get to work convincing people to vote for you, or you can continue and forever be known as the candidate who completely unraveled at the end of their race, who can't be trusted to communicate securely or respectfully, and responds to criticism with indignant anger instead of a constructive, grounded, rebuttal.
Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2863
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:11:00 -
[881] - Quote
hans how do you respond to charges that by advocating people vote for you instead of other candidates you have viciously slandered those other candidates |
Tess Saisima
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:16:00 -
[882] - Quote
I've got to say, this thread was one of the most entertaining things in all this election. I'm sorry to say so, Issler, but I'm a high sec carebear miner, and yes, I really do think that Hans, or Seleene, would make better representatives for high sec miners than you (which is why I voted for them). Hell, I'm pretty sure The Mittani would fare better. Don't be too disappointed when you don't make it to the CSM. As they say, what matters is not the destination, but the journey, and your journey was hilarious.
So, thanks you. Thanks you very much.
Tess Saisima Forum alt (So, probably a goon alt, I guess) |
Grumpy Owly
354
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:17:00 -
[883] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: PLEASE CITE ONE UNBASED CLAIM!!
Again, if you have an issue to discuss please let me know what it is. But unless you can cite those unbased claims your going on about it seems we've hit an impasse.
Fair enough: Issler Dainze:"He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection." and yet we have: Hans Jagerblitzen: "I have great respect for Seleene and Trebor both, they've worked hard during their terms as CSM6 members and are both worthy of re-election. Votes for either of them would be very well-spent." so Grumpy Owly: "Then please cite evidence to support your claims Issler, because all evidence points to the contrary." For which you haven't. Did Hans not say (as supposed to Trebor, Seleene, etc, who all pander) In the Eve mail he sent me personally? Did you bother to read it? So I had a basis for my position. This is what he really felt at the beginning of the election. I can only take him at his word. Now I'll stop. Issler Daine The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
Yes I did read it. No where in the representation of that does it actually claim they are not worthy of re-election however.
Pandering is the act of expressing one's views in accordance with the likes of a group to which one is attempting to appeal.
Just like propoganda can have positive conotations of representing specific views to gain influence with certain groups or individuals.
If anything whilst some might see these as undesirable stratergies in politics they are in fact part and parcel of a campaign. It could therefore be seen as an electoral strength to have these desired skills. Though maybe Hans is simply indicating that he would like to see more principles based on the merits of ideas than just perceived popularity.
This does not however conclude that he doesn't see Trebor or Seleene as strong knowledgeable candidates on the issues who would be welcomed on the CSM as a result. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1273
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:31:00 -
[884] - Quote
Tess Saisima wrote:I've got to say, this thread was one of the most entertaining things in all this election. I'm sorry to say so, Issler, but I'm a high sec carebear miner, and yes, I really do think that Hans, or Seleene, would make better representatives for high sec miners than you (which is why I voted for them). Hell, I'm pretty sure The Mittani would fare better. Don't be too disappointed when you don't make it to the CSM. As they say, what matters is not the destination, but the journey, and your journey was hilarious.
So, thanks you. Thanks you very much.
Tess Saisima Forum alt (So, probably a goon alt, I guess)
I am glad to have provided you some entertainment.
Issler |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2083
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:37:00 -
[885] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:hans how do you respond to charges that by advocating people vote for you instead of other candidates you have viciously slandered those other candidates
I would respond by saying this "courtroom" has become a circus side-show.
What is so unfortunate is that Issler seems to be hung up on "magic words" that she feels define a person, instead of a history of their actions. This is the first thing we learn about politicians - NEVER trust their words, you have to see what they actually follow through with. Issler does not do this.
Issler's attempt to portray me as slandering Seleene or Trebor is rooted in a single *word* that she feels is more important than the entire sum of my *actions* during the campaign. It is the same reasoning that misled her into thinking that by using the words "the miner's friend" this somehow means she must be the best candidate for miners.
Ultimately, the voters will be the judge here. It doesn't matter what I did or didn't say, or whether Issler declares herself the mining candidate or not, voters will look at our respective campaigns based on the effort that went into them, and judge each of us by our character and by the choices we've made, not merely the words we've said.
TL,DR: Talk is cheap. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1274
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:56:00 -
[886] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Weaselior wrote:hans how do you respond to charges that by advocating people vote for you instead of other candidates you have viciously slandered those other candidates I would respond by saying this "courtroom" has become a circus side-show. What is so unfortunate is that Issler seems to be hung up on "magic words" that she feels define a person, instead of a history of their actions. This is the first thing we learn about politicians - NEVER trust their words, you have to see what they actually follow through with. Issler does not do this. Issler's attempt to portray me as slandering Seleene or Trebor is rooted in a single *word* that she feels is more important than the entire sum of my *actions* during the campaign. It is the same reasoning that misled her into thinking that by using the words "the miner's friend" this somehow means she must be the best candidate for miners. Ultimately, the voters will be the judge here. It doesn't matter what I did or didn't say, or whether Issler declares herself the mining candidate or not, voters will look at our respective campaigns based on the effort that went into them, and judge each of us by our character and by the choices we've made, not merely the words we've said. TL,DR: Talk is cheap.
Yes it is, and when someone is faced with their own words and now fights so hard to deny them we see just how much they value their own words.
You say I told the world you slandered other candidates. I just shared what you said. It is for others to decide if what you said is slander. You took this negative and made it personal. I don't have anything to hide or deny.
I have no idea what you think your posts in this thread will accomplish. It won't get you votes. It won't affect the outcome for me. You will once again however leave stuff that could come back to haunt you down the road.
I have been 100% consistent for eight years in Eve and for multiple CSM elections. I don't have secrets and baggage or it would be all over this thread. So who is the honest politician here?
Hans, you said some stuff you wish you hadn't in an email and it bit you. Sorry, but everyone should assume anything put in writing gets a life of its own once its sent these days, there is a political lesson I can share with you. But don't worry, what you said won't change the outcome, your supporters don't care and in the grand scheme of things it wasn't that damming.
So Hans, good luck I have no doubt you'll be part of the CSM 7, now lets just virtual handshake and wait for the results.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2865
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:59:00 -
[887] - Quote
consistent at being terrible |
SolusLunes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:06:00 -
[888] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:consistent at being terrible
boosh |
Grumpy Owly
354
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:08:00 -
[889] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Weaselior wrote:hans how do you respond to charges that by advocating people vote for you instead of other candidates you have viciously slandered those other candidates I would respond by saying this "courtroom" has become a circus side-show. What is so unfortunate is that Issler seems to be hung up on "magic words" that she feels define a person, instead of a history of their actions. This is the first thing we learn about politicians - NEVER trust their words, you have to see what they actually follow through with. Issler does not do this. Issler's attempt to portray me as slandering Seleene or Trebor is rooted in a single *word* that she feels is more important than the entire sum of my *actions* during the campaign. It is the same reasoning that misled her into thinking that by using the words "the miner's friend" this somehow means she must be the best candidate for miners. Ultimately, the voters will be the judge here. It doesn't matter what I did or didn't say, or whether Issler declares herself the mining candidate or not, voters will look at our respective campaigns based on the effort that went into them, and judge each of us by our character and by the choices we've made, not merely the words we've said. TL,DR: Talk is cheap. Yes it is, and when someone is faced with their own words and now fights so hard to deny them we see just how much they value their own words. You say I told the world you slandered other candidates. I just shared what you said. It is for others to decide if what you said is slander. You took this negative and made it personal. I don't have anything to hide or deny.
Why should he not feel aggreived when you were trying to engineer a view or responce:
Issler Dainze wrote:So before the election stared I was eve mailed by Hans to ask me not to run and support him instead, He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection.
I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign
You say trying to keep things positive so obviously you must view it in a negative light, how can that not be seen as trying to elicit a responce or throwing a view that people should see your intepretation of another candidate negatively.
As such it was you who instigated this situation to elicit a desired responce if anything. And now you want to manipulate the fault or it's relevance and useage onto Hans?
And as it boils down to it may just be naive and childish understanding of a single word in the English language and what it really means missrepresnted by someone who wants to project their intepretation for selfish personal ends. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1274
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:09:00 -
[890] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, you are hero to all, I support your election, Now please just go away! I did not attack you. But you are not a mining candidate. Fact, not an attack and if your ego wasn't the size of a dirigible you'd be happy being known in this election as the candidate that stands to support an important segment of Eve (even if that doesn't include high sec miners).
I don't think you even understand what "attacking a candidate" is, because you just did it again. You're being sarcastic, telling everyone I'm not a mining candidate (despite the fact that you have industrialists in your own thread supporting me) and claiming that my ego is somehow out of control. But by all means, keep at it. I'm stuck away from home right now, I couldn't be logged in stumping for votes if I wanted to. You have an opportunity here to catch up with voters, and yet you continue to squander it by taking up precious time trying to discredit me with remarks about my mining credibility. The things you say now, and the way you conduct yourself in the final hours here, are how you are going to be remembered should you ever choose to campaign again. You can end the foot stomping and finger pointing, and get to work convincing people to vote for you, or you can continue and forever be known as the candidate who completely unraveled at the end of their race, who can't be trusted to communicate securely or respectfully, and responds to criticism with indignant anger instead of a constructive, grounded, rebuttal.
OK, I like dirigibles but there might have a snark or two in there.
Fundamentally however I have never said you are bad candidate, have bad ideas or wouldn't make a good member of CSM 7. That is the substance of what should matter here. That I think I better represent the high sec miners of Eve than you do is obvious, I wouldn't be running if I wasn't.
No one can do everything in Eve all the time! Why is that so hard for you to grasp and who on earth would support a candidate that makes that claim. Eve is one of the most complicated and deep games ever. The pilots of Eve deserve candidate that will focus on the areas of most interest to them. Almost all of the independent candidates running now are in part doing it because they believe that the last CSM has too narrow a focus and want to counter that by bringing similar sharp focus on the areas of the game they are most directly involved in. I don't see Alek in here trying to convince voters that even though he is the "war" candidate he also would be good for miners!
Again, own who you are and who you set out to represent. Be honest with yourself and you know that high sec miners were not who you expected to carry you to victory!
I believe a CSM populated by members that all represent specific segments of Eve is the best way for the CSM to make Eve as a whole a better place.
You are going to look back on this and see I've been the most positive and supportive of other candidates of anyone that ran for a seat in CSM 7. You won't be able to make the same claim.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM Candidate |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1274
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:21:00 -
[891] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Weaselior wrote:hans how do you respond to charges that by advocating people vote for you instead of other candidates you have viciously slandered those other candidates I would respond by saying this "courtroom" has become a circus side-show. What is so unfortunate is that Issler seems to be hung up on "magic words" that she feels define a person, instead of a history of their actions. This is the first thing we learn about politicians - NEVER trust their words, you have to see what they actually follow through with. Issler does not do this. Issler's attempt to portray me as slandering Seleene or Trebor is rooted in a single *word* that she feels is more important than the entire sum of my *actions* during the campaign. It is the same reasoning that misled her into thinking that by using the words "the miner's friend" this somehow means she must be the best candidate for miners. Ultimately, the voters will be the judge here. It doesn't matter what I did or didn't say, or whether Issler declares herself the mining candidate or not, voters will look at our respective campaigns based on the effort that went into them, and judge each of us by our character and by the choices we've made, not merely the words we've said. TL,DR: Talk is cheap. Yes it is, and when someone is faced with their own words and now fights so hard to deny them we see just how much they value their own words. You say I told the world you slandered other candidates. I just shared what you said. It is for others to decide if what you said is slander. You took this negative and made it personal. I don't have anything to hide or deny. Why should he not feel agreived when you were trying to engineer a view or responce: Issler Dainze wrote:So before the election stared I was eve mailed by Hans to ask me not to run and support him instead, He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection.
I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign You say trying to keep things positive so obviously you must view it in a negative light, how can that not be seen as trying to illicit a responce or throwing a view that people should see your intepretation of another candidate negatively. As such it was you who instigated this situation to ellicit a desired responce if anything. And now you want to manipulate the fault or it's relevance and useage onto Hans? And as it boils down to it may just be naive and childish understanding of a single word in the English language and what it really means missrepresnted by someone who wants to project their intepretation for selfish personal ends.
I didn't say it, Hans did and however you choose it to mean is up to you. You can say what he said in public is what is his real views. Sure, or maybe is views evolved. Fine, but he needs to own it. He said it, that is a fact. And I haven't spent any time following what other candidates have said about anyone. I've been 100% focused on spreading my message and responding to voters that wanted to discuss specifics of my platform. So if Hans said something about anything other than what he conveyed to me directly I didn't see it, because I'm spending my time running my campaign, not following his. If some else hadn't brought him up I would have gone the whole campaign and never mentioned him or the eve mail he sent.
I continue to say positive things about Hans as a candidate and yet all you seem to do is commit to attacking me personally. I'm sure you voted already and it certainly was never going to be me. I appreciate your previous support but you need to see this for what is is. Hans shared some thoughts he regrets. I think it isn't as dire as he paints it but it certainly got him wrapped around the axle.
I've been told I'll regret my responses here but I think if anyone ever does come back and rereads this thread I'm going to look pretty considerate and level headed and Hans is going to look like a bit of a nutter.
He gained nothing posting here if I really am a marginalized hopeless candidate and he was a shoe in for the chair. This backwater loser candidate thread couldn't possibly matter, he could have taken the high road and ignored the whole thing.
That's my opinion anyways.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Grumpy Owly
354
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:33:00 -
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All I see is a stick in the mud scrambling to not admit they fabricated a view on missguided information. You still havent responded to the claims about the view to not see Seleene or Trebor re-elected.
Seeing as you have manifested the views of "pandering" in an electoral process as a view that Hans didn't want to see them re-elected. It was you who said this specifically.
Yet to re-iterate: Pandering is the act of expressing one's views in accordance with the likes of a group to which one is attempting to appeal. Something helpful to an election process I would imagine.
It does not convery anything to do with either of those candidates being re-elected or not.
This was your presented interpretation you used and not Hans words. Yet you havent still answered to this unbased claim you made. Which you did call me out on (in capitals I add, as can be seen above). At least you would do the courtesy of responding to answers and discussion you demanded. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1274
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:45:00 -
[893] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:All I see is a stick in the mud scrambling to not admit they fabricated a view on missguided information. You still havent responded to the claims about the view to not see Seleene or Trebor re-elected. Seeing as you have manifested the views of "pandering" in an electoral process as a view that Hans didn't want to see them re-elected. It was you who said this specifically. Yet to re-iterate: Pandering is the act of expressing one's views in accordance with the likes of a group to which one is attempting to appeal. Something helpful to an election process I would imagine. It does not convery anything to do with either of those candidates being re-elected or not. This was your presented interpretation you used and not Hans words. Yet you havent still answered to this unbased claim you made. Which you did called me out (in capitals I add as can be seen above). At least you would do the courtesy of responding to answers and discussion you demanded.
I said he saw them as pandering. What I read into his eve mail was that he didn't seem them as true high sec candidates. I certainly saw nothing to indicate in the mail he sent me he supported their reelection.
If that was meant to say support their reelection he should have made that clearer. As I said I am not following the threads of any of the candidates, I have my hands full with mine.
If this gives you some satisfaction I now believe that Hans supports the reelection of Seleene and Trebor and would be glad to hear that folks voted for them.
I stand corrected, Sorry I got that wrong, as to the other things I've said about who I represent and who Hans represents I stand by what I posted.
Issler Dainze Now Believes Hans wanted Seleene and Trebor elected to CSM 7 The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
P.S. Everyone "fabricates" their views on the information at hand. If Hans was vague in his email that isn't my fault. I expect the majority would have interpreted the way I did. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2872
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:48:00 -
[894] - Quote
issler dainze can i interest you in some more of my fine rope you seem to be enjoying all the rope you're being fed |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
5
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:50:00 -
[895] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Yet to re-iterate: Pandering is the act of expressing one's views in accordance with the likes of a group to which one is attempting to appeal. Something helpful to an election process I would imagine. I thought I could make some witty comment about Issler doing this herself, but unfortunately all I really know about her is that she is "the miner's friend". I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Grumpy Owly
354
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:55:00 -
[896] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:All I see is a stick in the mud scrambling to not admit they fabricated a view on missguided information. You still havent responded to the claims about the view to not see Seleene or Trebor re-elected. Seeing as you have manifested the views of "pandering" in an electoral process as a view that Hans didn't want to see them re-elected. It was you who said this specifically. Yet to re-iterate: Pandering is the act of expressing one's views in accordance with the likes of a group to which one is attempting to appeal. Something helpful to an election process I would imagine. It does not convery anything to do with either of those candidates being re-elected or not. This was your presented interpretation you used and not Hans words. Yet you havent still answered to this unbased claim you made. Which you did called me out (in capitals I add as can be seen above). At least you would do the courtesy of responding to answers and discussion you demanded. I said he saw them as pandering. What I read into his eve mail was that he didn't seem them as true high sec candidates. I certainly saw nothing to indicate in the mail he sent me he supported their reelection. If that was meant to say support their reelection he should have made that clearer. As I said I am not following the threads of any of the candidates, I have my hands full with mine. If this gives you some satisfaction I now believe that Hans supports the reelection of Seleene and Trebor and would be glad to hear that folks voted for them. I stand corrected, Sorry I got that wrong, as to the other things I've said about who I represent and who Hans represents I stand by what I posted. Issler Dainze Now Believes Hans wanted Seleene and Trebor elected to CSM 7 The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate P.S. Everyone "fabricates" their views on the information at hand. If Hans was vague in his email that isn't my fault. I expect the majority would have interpreted the way I did.
Not everyone fabricates at all. Some might seek clarity on the issue at the time or later, or seek a second opinion or simply not assume in the first place. Or perhaps postulate it as a question. You however flat out drew it in a negative light to try to derive a responce for your election purposes.
I will take your apology in the at least that you recognised the error, but it really isnt me you discredited with it. How far you want to translate the apology to Hans due to the personal attack I'll leave to your discretion. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1274
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:01:00 -
[897] - Quote
Karl Hobb wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Yet to re-iterate: Pandering is the act of expressing one's views in accordance with the likes of a group to which one is attempting to appeal. Something helpful to an election process I would imagine. I thought I could make some witty comment about Issler doing this herself, but unfortunately all I really know about her is that she is "the miner's friend".
Of course everyone running is engaged in some variation of pandering.
So everyone seems to marginalize my slogan, "The Miner's Friend". It is a simple campaign slogan that gets right to the point. I'm having a hard time seeing a simple memorable slogan as a bad thing. Once the election is over I'll share some insight into how I decided to run my election efforts the way I have. I'll provide a hint, I love studying how RL behavior seems to lose its way once we find ourselves in the Eve 'verse. My efforts for election were serious to be sure but I also took the opportunity to see Eve vs RL first hand.
But please, keep working on the witty remarks! We could use something to bring some more humor here!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate Liked Karl's post because I hope for some future witty comments The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1277
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:07:00 -
[898] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:All I see is a stick in the mud scrambling to not admit they fabricated a view on missguided information. You still havent responded to the claims about the view to not see Seleene or Trebor re-elected. Seeing as you have manifested the views of "pandering" in an electoral process as a view that Hans didn't want to see them re-elected. It was you who said this specifically. Yet to re-iterate: Pandering is the act of expressing one's views in accordance with the likes of a group to which one is attempting to appeal. Something helpful to an election process I would imagine. It does not convery anything to do with either of those candidates being re-elected or not. This was your presented interpretation you used and not Hans words. Yet you havent still answered to this unbased claim you made. Which you did called me out (in capitals I add as can be seen above). At least you would do the courtesy of responding to answers and discussion you demanded. I said he saw them as pandering. What I read into his eve mail was that he didn't seem them as true high sec candidates. I certainly saw nothing to indicate in the mail he sent me he supported their reelection. If that was meant to say support their reelection he should have made that clearer. As I said I am not following the threads of any of the candidates, I have my hands full with mine. If this gives you some satisfaction I now believe that Hans supports the reelection of Seleene and Trebor and would be glad to hear that folks voted for them. I stand corrected, Sorry I got that wrong, as to the other things I've said about who I represent and who Hans represents I stand by what I posted. Issler Dainze Now Believes Hans wanted Seleene and Trebor elected to CSM 7 The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate P.S. Everyone "fabricates" their views on the information at hand. If Hans was vague in his email that isn't my fault. I expect the majority would have interpreted the way I did. Not everyone fabricates at all. Some might seek clarity on the issue at the time or later, or seek a second opinion or simply not assume in the first place. Or perhaps postulate it as a question. You however flat out drew it in a negative light to try to derive a responce for your election purposes. I will take your apology in that at least you recognise the error, but it really isnt me you discredited with it. How far you want to translate the apology to Hans due to the personal attack I'll leave to your discretion.
So I could get all philosophical but everyone's idea of reality is a fabrication of some sort. Some folks use differing data sets to make the assumptions that create the fabrication and sometime the fabrications can be shown to more closely map with "reality", which again is still some form of fabrication.
I get things wrong sometime and and anyone that knows me in RL will tell you I try to be as open minded as I can, but yes, I can make a mistake.
But at this point I'd say Hans owes me as much of an apology as I might owe him. I offered to correct this whole mess before he went all crazy in his later posts. But he dug in and would have none of it, and I'm sorry but I offered a pile of olive branches in this thread which he seemed more interested in using as kindling. I all but said vote for him. I didn't see much reciprocity.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2873
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:08:00 -
[899] - Quote
"you see, I always intended to run my election like a nutjob, i am da puppetmasta" |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
7
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:09:00 -
[900] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Once the election is over I'll share some insight into how I decided to run my election efforts the way I have. I'll provide a hint, I love studying how RL behavior seems to lose its way once we find ourselves in the Eve 'verse. My efforts for election were serious to be sure but I also took the opportunity to see Eve vs RL first hand. O hai guise I was trolling all along!
Issler Dainze wrote:But please, keep working on the witty remarks! We could use something to bring some more humor here! I... I don't even... I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1277
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:12:00 -
[901] - Quote
Karl Hobb wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Once the election is over I'll share some insight into how I decided to run my election efforts the way I have. I'll provide a hint, I love studying how RL behavior seems to lose its way once we find ourselves in the Eve 'verse. My efforts for election were serious to be sure but I also took the opportunity to see Eve vs RL first hand. O hai guise I was trolling all along! Issler Dainze wrote:But please, keep working on the witty remarks! We could use something to bring some more humor here! I... I don't even...
Definitely not trolling.. but trying to use the current US presidential election as a model for my campaign.
I do want to represent the miners in Eve in the CSM 7, I am very serious about that, but I was definitely seeing how current US politics could work as campaign model. Seems to be as bad in Eve as it is in RL!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:17:00 -
[902] - Quote
Gentlemen, congratulations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Q1vM2vPIk
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2088
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:51:00 -
[903] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: But at this point I'd say Hans owes me as much of an apology as I might owe him. I offered to correct this whole mess before he went all crazy in his later posts. But he dug in and would have none of it, and I'm sorry but I offered a pile of olive branches in this thread which he seemed more interested in using as kindling. I all but said vote for him. I didn't see much reciprocity.
Now that people are continuing to call you on your rude behavior, you have the audacity to pretend to be "the nice one" all along. I'm sorry, but tossing out a few "Hans is a good guy" lines isn't going to convince anyone that's been reading this and observed the pattern of knee-jerk and completely disrespectful comments that you have become known for. Everyone sees right through the self-righteousness here.
You've made false statements about my platform, you've insulted my writing by calling it a "waste of time", you've misconstrued my relationships with other people and opened your mouth before you knew any better, you've shown zero respect for anyone's privacy, you've called me unfit to represent the community, and now you're just plain calling me crazy. Please explain how ANY of this behavior is consistent with running a "positive and respectful campaign"?
Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:53:00 -
[904] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
Your main character with an employment history of one NPC corp says it all.
So why should I waste my time speaking to someone who can invent any history they want.
You won't vote for me, fine, but at least I'm who I say I am.
Issler Dainze The miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
It's very telling that you cling to this issue now instead of addressing all of the arguments myself and others have made throughout your threads. One only needs to look at everything I said in the post you quoted to see that.
I've made no attempt to hide who I am. I was the one who said I sold my mining toon. And I've made no secret of the fact that I'm a very casual highsec dweller. But you already know that. I'm not going to insult your intelligence by explaining how over years of playing people can change toons(and even mains) to pursue different play styles. You only brought that up in the hopes I'd stop posting.
If I wanted to troll you on an alt, I could have said nothing about selling my toon and you wouldn't have been the wiser. It was only after I mentioned it that you began to question whether this was an alt in the hopes it would divert attention from the real issues people have with your campaign.
The fact that I, a very casual highsec player, can come into your threads and point out your lack of knowledge about the demographics you claim to represent(as well as the game in general) shows how you're woefully under-qualified to be on the CSM. I didn't "invent any history." I stated what I have experienced ingame and widely known by eve's player base.
You really exemplify a lot of the people against the current CSM. Most of them just don't know what they're talking about. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1283
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:30:00 -
[905] - Quote
[quote=Hans Jagerblitzen][quote=Issler Dainze But at this point I'd say Hans owes me as much of an apology as I might owe him. I offered to correct this whole mess before he went all crazy in his later posts. But he dug in and would have none of it, and I'm sorry but I offered a pile of olive branches in this thread which he seemed more interested in using as kindling. I all but said vote for him. I didn't see much reciprocity [/quote
Now that people are continuing to call you on your rude behavior, you have the audacity to pretend to be "the nice one" all along. I'm sorry, but tossing out a few "Hans is a good guy" lines isn't going to convince anyone that's been reading this and observed the pattern of knee-jerk and completely disrespectful comments that you have become known for. Everyone sees right through the self-righteousness here.
You've made false statements about my platform, you've insulted my writing by calling it a "waste of time", you've misconstrued my relationships with other people and opened your mouth before you knew any better, you've shown zero respect for anyone's privacy, you've called me unfit to represent the community, and now you're just plain calling me crazy. Please explain how ANY of this behavior is consistent with running a "positive and respectful campaign"
[/quote
Can you cite where I called it a waste of time for you? I said for the campaign I chose to run it would have been a waste of time for ME!
Why are you flogging this dead horse
Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
But what I said to you and about you, I stand by every word. If you can't even work something like this out you have no chance of being effective in the CSM 7
The election is over, I'm sure you did well, What on earth do you expect now
You said that this would someday damage someone's political future, how do you seeing this last post of yours making you look any better? What on earth is the point
Get a grip Hans, move along, nothing to see here....
Folks, for the record, at this point the voting is closed!! I have just completed graciously posting a sincere wish of good luck to all the candidates I would like to see in the CSM 7. That included Hans. I even suggested that he will finish 4th
Hans, you can take the high road, accept its over (it is no matter what you decide) and put this behind you or you can continue being an asshat and demanding in a pointless fashion something you will never get from me
If I was facing those two choices, I know which one I'd choose as well as which one makes me look less obsessed with being right in the future and who might be better suited at working through challenging personalities that may be part of the CSM 7
So you pick, I have nothing to lose, the election is a done deal, we'll see what the votes say but is you want to rant back and forth, have at it. I've gotten very used to it after 7 months of defending ambulation
Serioulsy Hans, you looked to have done great, let go and be happy with that.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1283
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:36:00 -
[906] - Quote
Barnabas O'Malley wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Your main character with an employment history of one NPC corp says it all.
So why should I waste my time speaking to someone who can invent any history they want.
You won't vote for me, fine, but at least I'm who I say I am.
Issler Dainze The miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
It's very telling that you cling to this issue now instead of addressing all of the arguments myself and others have made throughout your threads. One only needs to look at everything I said in the post you quoted to see that. I've made no attempt to hide who I am. I was the one who said I sold my mining toon. And I've made no secret of the fact that I'm a very casual highsec dweller. But you already know that. I'm not going to insult your intelligence by explaining how over years of playing people can change toons(and even mains ) to pursue different play styles. You only brought that up in the hopes I'd stop posting. If I wanted to troll you on an alt, I could have said nothing about selling my toon and you wouldn't have been the wiser. It was only after I mentioned it that you began to question whether this was an alt in the hopes it would divert attention from the real issues people have with your campaign. The fact that I, a very casual highsec player, can come into your threads and point out your lack of knowledge about the demographics you claim to represent(as well as the game in general) shows how you're woefully under-qualified to be on the CSM. I didn't "invent any history." I stated what I have experienced ingame and widely known by eve's player base. You really exemplify a lot of the people against the current CSM. Most of them just don't know what they're talking about.
Go on, you are most impressive...... Even after the election is over you just can't stop yourself.... so sure.. post away!
Issler
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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:07:00 -
[907] - Quote
This only needs to be linked in all future CSM elections to sink your candidacies in the years to come. It's a comprehensive record of your lies, your further lies relating to the people who called you on them and your parroting of things long since discredited.
It's also the only thread I've ever seen where goons gently caressed someone by actually being gentle. You were actually trolled worse by them engaging in real discourse.
And now you think this thread will magically die because the election is over. Good luck to you. |
Grumpy Owly
354
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:10:00 -
[908] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement?
Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later?
Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied?
Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1283
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:15:00 -
[909] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement? Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later? Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied? Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning.
If you read my last response to Hans I made it clear you were the one poster I was sad to have disappointed you...
"Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret"
So I apologize to YOU.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1283
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:17:00 -
[910] - Quote
Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This only needs to be linked in all future CSM elections to sink your candidacies in the years to come. It's a comprehensive record of your lies, your further lies relating to the people who called you on them and your parroting of things long since discredited.
It's also the only thread I've ever seen where goons gently caressed someone by actually being gentle. You were actually trolled worse by them engaging in real discourse.
And now you think this thread will magically die because the election is over. Good luck to you.
Yes, you have doomed me politically in space politics forever.......
How can I go on....
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1283
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:22:00 -
[911] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement? Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later? Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied? Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning.
I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned.
Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him.
Again, sorry I lost your support but you seem to be applying at least two standards here.
Issler |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:29:00 -
[912] - Quote
Breakin' da triplepost |
Grumpy Owly
354
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:36:00 -
[913] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement? Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later? Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied? Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning. I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned. Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him. Again, sorry I lost your support but you seem to be applying at least two standards here. Issler
Presumably comments continued here as this is the thread where the topic originated.
Do you need me to be a peacemaker for your errors? Surely that is a personal matter between you and Hans. Why does it suddenly need my brokerage to resolve? Especialy when I left it to your discretion as to how you wanted to treat the matter. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2088
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:59:00 -
[914] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned.
Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him.
You persist in calling me crazy and telling me to "get a grip" in some vain attempt to have the last word and make me out to be the perpetrator, while ignoring the previous 6 pages where you lied, jumped to conclusions, broke trust, invaded privacy, insulted my writing, and called me unfit to lead. I understand why you want this to go away.
Whether it ends or not has always been your choice, as much as you've tried to push the responsibility off on me. It's your decision whether to keep posting defensively, and keep giving players a record to judge your character for future reference.
I really have nothing more to say, feel free to keep justifying yourself if you wish. All I ask is that you skip the compliments if you're just going to point to them like they're some badge of honor, and refuse to address everything else that you've said and done.
Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Galatica789
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
25
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Posted - 2012.03.21 03:33:00 -
[915] - Quote
Carebear is bitter it didnt get in CSM :(
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
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Posted - 2012.03.21 03:55:00 -
[916] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned.
Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him.
You persist in calling me crazy and telling me to "get a grip" in some vain attempt to have the last word and make me out to be the perpetrator, while ignoring the previous 6 pages where you lied, jumped to conclusions, broke trust, invaded privacy, insulted my writing, and called me unfit to lead. I understand why you want this to go away. Whether it ends or not has always been your choice, as much as you've tried to push the responsibility off on me. It's your decision whether to keep posting defensively, and keep giving players a record to judge your character for future reference. I really have nothing more to say, feel free to keep justifying yourself if you wish. All I ask is that you skip the compliments if you're just going to point to them like they're some badge of honor, and refuse to address everything else that you've said and done.
Yes, keeping this up doesn't make you look at all crazy.......
Dude, its over, lets see how we did. I do wish you good luck. Last time I'm going to say that to you.
I offered to do what you asked (do I need to post the email too?) and you went all mental before I could.
Issler (no need to keep a long sig) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:01:00 -
[917] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement? Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later? Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied? Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning. I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned. Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him. Again, sorry I lost your support but you seem to be applying at least two standards here. Issler Presumably comments continued here as this is the thread where the topic originated. Do you need me to be a peacemaker for your errors? Surely that is a personal matter between you and Hans. Why does it suddenly need my mediation to resolve? Especialy when I left it to your discretion as to how you wanted to treat the matter.
Peacemaker for may errors, I see one that was an easy one to make and I admitted it and apologized for it..
You might see if you can get Hans to start taking his space madness meds again, he doesn't seem capable of stopping himself.
Again, Grumpy Owly, you show yourself reasoned and level headed, thanks for that, if you know a way to get Hans to believe I am sincere in my wish of good luck to him you would be my hero.
I've conceded all I intend to, so unless folks just want to badger there really isn't a lot more to hope for from me, unless you really are here for the argument clinic...
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
|
Posted - 2012.03.21 04:02:00 -
[918] - Quote
Galatica789 wrote:Carebear is bitter it didnt get in CSM :(
First, you don't know that and second, really never expected to win. Hard to herd high sec miners into voting in the CSM.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
|
Posted - 2012.03.21 04:03:00 -
[919] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Breakin' da triplepost
Why thanks for that!
Issler |
Galatica789
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
26
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:05:00 -
[920] - Quote
I do know, and you had hope of winning, and now its gone |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:07:00 -
[921] - Quote
Galatica789 wrote:I do know, and you had hope of winning, and now its gone
You are actually very wrong on a lot of levels.
Issler
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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:31:00 -
[922] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This only needs to be linked in all future CSM elections to sink your candidacies in the years to come. It's a comprehensive record of your lies, your further lies relating to the people who called you on them and your parroting of things long since discredited.
It's also the only thread I've ever seen where goons gently caressed someone by actually being gentle. You were actually trolled worse by them engaging in real discourse.
And now you think this thread will magically die because the election is over. Good luck to you. Yes, you have doomed me politically in space politics forever....... How can I go on.... Issler Sigh
Ascribing something to me I never said or implied. I took the liberty to bold some parts of my last post for you. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
|
Posted - 2012.03.21 04:56:00 -
[923] - Quote
Barnabas O'Malley wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This only needs to be linked in all future CSM elections to sink your candidacies in the years to come. It's a comprehensive record of your lies, your further lies relating to the people who called you on them and your parroting of things long since discredited.
It's also the only thread I've ever seen where goons gently caressed someone by actually being gentle. You were actually trolled worse by them engaging in real discourse.
And now you think this thread will magically die because the election is over. Good luck to you. Yes, you have doomed me politically in space politics forever....... How can I go on.... Issler SighAscribing something to me I never said or implied. I took the liberty to bold some parts of my last post for you.
You claim this thread is full of lies. How can that not imply my future political doom, unless you believe that voters like candidates that lie, which would go a long way to explain you.
I stand by everything I've posted. You are the alt that only revealed it when it suited your deceit.
I've got no issue with this or any other thread I've posted in.
So just to be clear to other folks that intend to post here.
I will only respond going forward to the following folks.
- Hans if he wants to rant crazy talk more here after he probalbly won a spot in the top 7 seats, I mean I can't get enough of that.
- Goon trolls, you've all won my heart!
- New folks!.
- Sullen birds because I like a certain owl and I hope we someday get to a better place!
- Miners! You are the shiniest pilots in all of Eve!
- Supporters! I love you all!
- Egg laying mammals! - I remain dedicated to the domestication of the Platypus!
- Llamas!
If you aren't in the above list I likely won't respond.
Issler
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Will Hunter
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.21 05:04:00 -
[924] - Quote
In a ''election'' were people like Xenuria and Riverine are candidates you manage to be the worts of the crop
please go back to the hole you came from |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
172
|
Posted - 2012.03.21 05:21:00 -
[925] - Quote
Oh by the way Issler, if you weren't aware, a "Good luck!" =/= an apology. I think Hans is just annoyed that you won't apologize, not that you misconstrued what he stood for and denigrated his experience (although I believe you did this out of ignorance and not maliciously), not that you posted personal communications (not illegal, but certainly not classy), and not that you insist on questioning his mental state. He's requested an apology and you just side-step it saying, "Good luck Hans, I think you have a chance at CSM7!" then in the next line saying "Hans is a nutter, he is the bad guy here." Repeatedly.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
|
Posted - 2012.03.21 05:29:00 -
[926] - Quote
Will Hunter wrote:In a ''election'' were people like Xenuria and Riverine are candidates you manage to be the worts of the crop
please go back to the hole you came from
Ouch!! I'm the worts!!!! I am losing the will to live!!!
Seriously, I guess I need to be more specific about the goons I'll dance in the forums with.
-The regulars! You know who you are! You guys worked on your trolling and have earned some respect from me.
- New bees wanting to work on your trolling chops like this guy, make an effort, incorporate something I posted or did. There is plenty of stuff to draw from! Be clever!
If you are just going to phone it in like Will here I'll just block you like I just blocked him.
So sorry about the confusion.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
|
Posted - 2012.03.21 05:48:00 -
[927] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Oh by the way Issler, if you weren't aware, a "Good luck!" =/= an apology. I think Hans is just annoyed that you won't apologize, not that you misconstrued what he stood for and denigrated his experience (although I believe you did this out of ignorance and not maliciously), not that you posted personal communications (not illegal, but certainly not classy), and not that you insist on questioning his mental state. He's requested an apology and you just side-step it saying, "Good luck Hans, I think you have a chance at CSM7!" then in the next line saying "Hans is a nutter, he is the bad guy here." Repeatedly.
Sorry that my interpretation doesn't align with yours. But look at it from my perspective. Before the election some stranger I've never heard of contacts me directly saying he has the election all sewed up and there is no point in me, or many other candidates running. He sends me a link to an impressive document with many good ideas but nothing that address the whole reason I'm running and implies somehow he'd be better to represent my constituency. I'm polite in my response and go about my business. I see he seems to gaining traction in his efforts and I'm happy for him.
Then all of a sudden in my view he seems to be trying to make the case that from the beginning he has represented himself as a miner and has been seeking to represent the high sec miner. Seemed like some sort of reality distortion bubble and a clear last minute vote grab. I post a mail he sent to show that it isn't so clear what he thinks of the other candidates as a counter to show he isn't being honest in how he represents himself. He becomes obsessed with getting me to take down the mail because he fears it will damage his relationship with two likely members of the CSM 7 he claims as his "friends".
There was additional direct communications between the two of us where I offered to do what he asked me but before I could do what he asked he went on the attack.
You have to ask yourself how you can feel someone so thin skinned can actually work in a group like the CSM where passion on the part of the other members could easily be misconstrued as an attack.
Someone with Hans' temperament wouldn't last a day in the world I live in if he can fly off the handle and be so personally affected by something as simple as our exchanges. Not who I'd look for to represent me which is a sad thing for me to have to conclude because at the start of this election I was a fan of his and would be now if had just stayed out of my thread and started to make this personal.
His desire to continue our exchange after the voting closed made me question his ability to work with people he doesn't agree with, to be able to gain consensus with a diverse group and finally his ability to see the big picture. He had nothing to gain and everything in the future to lose. It wouldn't affect the election, but it made him look excitable and irrational and lost him any support from anyone that might support me.
So I'm happy with my response and sad for Hans (also no longer a fan of him in CSM 7).
Good luck was not an apology but I don't owe him one. If what I've posted can get him so wrapped around the axle what happens to him when the attacks really happen.
Issler |
Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
17
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Posted - 2012.03.21 06:04:00 -
[928] - Quote
You know that really uncomfortable feeling you get when two people you know start fighting when you're right there? ...yeah... Maybe you've known one a while and have only been introduced to the other recently, but still them fighting kind of makes you squirm...ever run into that? |
Miso Souped
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.21 06:18:00 -
[929] - Quote
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
172
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Posted - 2012.03.21 06:19:00 -
[930] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Oh by the way Issler, if you weren't aware, a "Good luck!" =/= an apology. I think Hans is just annoyed that you won't apologize, not that you misconstrued what he stood for and denigrated his experience (although I believe you did this out of ignorance and not maliciously), not that you posted personal communications (not illegal, but certainly not classy), and not that you insist on questioning his mental state. He's requested an apology and you just side-step it saying, "Good luck Hans, I think you have a chance at CSM7!" then in the next line saying "Hans is a nutter, he is the bad guy here." Repeatedly. Sorry that my interpretation doesn't align with yours. But look at it from my perspective. Before the election some stranger I've never heard of contacts me directly saying he has the election all sewed up and there is no point in me, or many other candidates running. He sends me a link to an impressive document with many good ideas but nothing that address the whole reason I'm running and implies somehow he'd be better to represent my constituency. I'm polite in my response and go about my business. I see he seems to gaining traction in his efforts and I'm happy for him. Then all of a sudden in my view he seems to be trying to make the case that from the beginning he has represented himself as a miner and has been seeking to represent the high sec miner. Seemed like some sort of reality distortion bubble and a clear last minute vote grab. I post a mail he sent to show that it isn't so clear what he thinks of the other candidates as a counter to show he isn't being honest in how he represents himself. He becomes obsessed with getting me to take down the mail because he fears it will damage his relationship with two likely members of the CSM 7 he claims as his "friends". There was additional direct communications between the two of us where I offered to do what he asked me but before I could do what he asked he went on the attack. You have to ask yourself how you can feel someone so thin skinned can actually work in a group like the CSM where passion on the part of the other members could easily be misconstrued as an attack. Someone with Hans' temperament wouldn't last a day in the world I live in if he can fly off the handle and be so personally affected by something as simple as our exchanges. Not who I'd look for to represent me which is a sad thing for me to have to conclude because at the start of this election I was a fan of his and would be now if had just stayed out of my thread and started to make this personal. His desire to continue our exchange after the voting closed made me question his ability to work with people he doesn't agree with, to be able to gain consensus with a diverse group and finally his ability to see the big picture. He had nothing to gain and everything in the future to lose. It wouldn't affect the election, but it made him look excitable and irrational and lost him any support from anyone that might support me. So I'm happy with my response and sad for Hans (also no longer a fan of him in CSM 7). Good luck was not an apology but I don't owe him one. If what I've posted can get him so wrapped around the axle what happens to him when the attacks really happen. Issler
You've outdone yourself, Issler, by miles; a feat I didn't believe possible. I think a congratulations are in order.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
172
|
Posted - 2012.03.21 06:20:00 -
[931] - Quote
Like, a thousand times like. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.21 06:52:00 -
[932] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:You claim this thread is full of lies. How can that not imply my future political doom, unless you believe that voters like candidates that lie, which would go a long way to explain you. It is full of lies. Anyone can read your past statements and see the contradictions and denials.
Issler Dainze wrote:I stand by everything I've posted. You are the alt that only revealed it when it suited your deceit. And? I've already stated in detail why that's just not True. You've just gone back to saying "ALT, ALT" as if that discredits all the facts I've pointed out. Even if what you said were True, it wouldn't change the fact that you've ignored the information itself.
Deceit At no point in any of my posting did I imply that I'd done all of the activities which I discussed on this toon. You wrongly inferred that. Read my posts and you'll notice that I used the past tense. And everything relating to the activities I discussed was True to begin with. It didn't "suit my deceit" because there was no deceit
Issler Dainze wrote:I've got no issue with this or any other thread I've posted in. That's irrelevant. Anyone can read your contradictions in this thread and see what myself and others are pointing out. You don't address any of your conflicting information and statements. This makes it clear you're lying to save face.
You so embody the self-righteous, dishonest highsec dwelling carebear who ceaselessly tries to rally anyone and everyone around them in order to get things which they don't deserve under the guise of faux pas righteous anger. I just can't resist posting in your dead campaign thread.
Also, just because you type stuff after quoting me doesn't mean you've addressed the point. |
Prince Kobol
255
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Posted - 2012.03.21 07:35:00 -
[933] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Galatica789 wrote:Carebear is bitter it didnt get in CSM :(
First, you don't know that and second, really never expected to win. Hard to herd high sec miners into voting in the CSM. Issler
It may be more difficult for somebody who is not part of a large organised null sec alliance to get voted into the CSM simply because they do not have a good starting base of votes, but it does not help when that person is somebody like you.
You can not expect to get elected by promising to fix everything when you clearly have little to no knowledge about the things you talk about, are unable to relate to the very demographic your trying to win votes from and are rude, abrasive and deceitful
Also to all those who call Issler Dainzer a carebear, please don't as I see that as an insult to those of us who do live in high sec. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1289
|
Posted - 2012.03.21 17:53:00 -
[934] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Galatica789 wrote:Carebear is bitter it didnt get in CSM :(
First, you don't know that and second, really never expected to win. Hard to herd high sec miners into voting in the CSM. Issler It may be more difficult for somebody who is not part of a large organised null sec alliance to get voted into the CSM simply because they do not have a good starting base of votes, but it does not help when that person is somebody like you. You can not expect to get elected by promising to fix everything when you clearly have little to no knowledge about the things you talk about, are unable to relate to the very demographic your trying to win votes from and are rude, abrasive and deceitful Also to all those who call Issler Dainzer a carebear, please don't as I see that as an insult to those of us who do live in high sec.
Never promised to fix everything. And now I'm not a carebear? That is going to disappoint so many folks that like to attack me because they think I am.
Talk to anyone in my alliance and see if they agree with your view.
Issler |
Minta Contha
Emergent Entity KONZERN
45
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:01:00 -
[935] - Quote
I voted Issler over Hans because Issler remains calm when being baited (hence good in committee) whereas Hans rages like a ****. My cooking is like my lovemaking - fast, greasy, and unsatisfying. |
Miso Souped
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.21 20:15:00 -
[936] - Quote
Minta Contha wrote:I voted Issler over Hans because Issler remains calm when being baited (hence good in committee) whereas Hans rages like a ****.
where did you get this from? Ive never seen Hans RAGE would love to see where you got this idea. He was actually baited many times during the election.....those that paid attention actually said did the opposite |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
173
|
Posted - 2012.03.21 20:20:00 -
[937] - Quote
Miso Souped wrote:Minta Contha wrote:I voted Issler over Hans because Issler remains calm when being baited (hence good in committee) whereas Hans rages like a ****. where did you get this from? Ive never seen Hans RAGE would love to see where you got this idea. He was actually baited many times during the election.....those that paid attention actually said did the opposite
In fact, he even persuaded several staunchly anti-Hans people to see the error of their ways and subsequently vote and endorse Hans (chief example being Corelin). But that is not relevant to this discussion.
What is relevant is that Issler may have outwardly maintained her same in-denial passive-aggressive persona, but she hasn't ADDRESSED questions/concerns that have been presented to her. She simply says "Goon alt, next!" if the question/concern is even vaguely anti-Issler's campaign.
vOv Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
559
|
Posted - 2012.03.21 20:24:00 -
[938] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Miso Souped wrote:Minta Contha wrote:I voted Issler over Hans because Issler remains calm when being baited (hence good in committee) whereas Hans rages like a ****. where did you get this from? Ive never seen Hans RAGE would love to see where you got this idea. He was actually baited many times during the election.....those that paid attention actually said did the opposite In fact, he even persuaded several staunchly anti-Hans people to see the error of their ways and subsequently vote and endorse Hans (chief example being Corelin). But that is not relevant to this discussion. What is relevant is that Issler may have outwardly maintained her same in-denial passive-aggressive persona, but she hasn't ADDRESSED questions/concerns that have been presented to her. She simply says "Goon alt, next!" if the question/concern is even vaguely anti-Issler's campaign. vOv Funniest part of that? The Mittani recommended that people not voting for him because they wanted to vote highsec go Issler when the voting began.
Always nice to know whos a weasel, eh? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1290
|
Posted - 2012.03.21 20:27:00 -
[939] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Miso Souped wrote:Minta Contha wrote:I voted Issler over Hans because Issler remains calm when being baited (hence good in committee) whereas Hans rages like a ****. where did you get this from? Ive never seen Hans RAGE would love to see where you got this idea. He was actually baited many times during the election.....those that paid attention actually said did the opposite In fact, he even persuaded several staunchly anti-Hans people to see the error of their ways and subsequently vote and endorse Hans (chief example being Corelin). But that is not relevant to this discussion. What is relevant is that Issler may have outwardly maintained her same in-denial passive-aggressive persona, but she hasn't ADDRESSED questions/concerns that have been presented to her. She simply says "Goon alt, next!" if the question/concern is even vaguely anti-Issler's campaign. vOv
Someone like Hans that after the polls closed continued to rant in my thread and refused to accept anything positive I said about him looked pretty unbalanced to me. I really don't see anymore how he could be effective working in a group where he will think disagreement is a form of personal attack.
As to the other charge I answered every legitimate question posed, I did not however address unanswerable questions to folks that clearly weren't reading my responses and only interested in some variation of personal attacks.
Again, huge thanks to my supporters! I will continue to try and drive mining improvements into Eve. To the folks still trolling in my thread, particularly the Blitzners, still trying to figure out what you hope to accomplish.
Issler |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
173
|
Posted - 2012.03.21 20:35:00 -
[940] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Miso Souped wrote:Minta Contha wrote:I voted Issler over Hans because Issler remains calm when being baited (hence good in committee) whereas Hans rages like a ****. where did you get this from? Ive never seen Hans RAGE would love to see where you got this idea. He was actually baited many times during the election.....those that paid attention actually said did the opposite In fact, he even persuaded several staunchly anti-Hans people to see the error of their ways and subsequently vote and endorse Hans (chief example being Corelin). But that is not relevant to this discussion. What is relevant is that Issler may have outwardly maintained her same in-denial passive-aggressive persona, but she hasn't ADDRESSED questions/concerns that have been presented to her. She simply says "Goon alt, next!" if the question/concern is even vaguely anti-Issler's campaign. vOv Someone like Hans that after the polls closed continued to rant in my thread and refused to accept anything positive I said about him looked pretty unbalanced to me. I really don't see anymore how he could be effective working in a group where he will think disagreement is a form of personal attack. As to the other charge I answered every legitimate question posed, I did not however address unanswerable questions to folks that clearly weren't reading my responses and only interested in some variation of personal attacks. Again, huge thanks to my supporters! I will continue to try and drive mining improvements into Eve. To the folks still trolling in my thread, particularly the Blitzners, still trying to figure out what you hope to accomplish. Issler
I really don't understand your incredible lack of comprehension.
Hans only engaged you here in this thread (and I don't think anyone would call it ranting, he merely seemed irritated to me) because you touted false information about him and his campaign and then later on consistently assaulted his personal character by calling him insane and unjustly (and illogically) questioning his ability to lead the EVE community (which I find ironic in the extreme). Oh, and you posted private communications between him and you, which (as I've stated before) isn't illegal but isn't very kosher.
Why do I continue to "troll" your campaign? I just think it is an interesting phenomena how someone can be so out of touch with reality. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:39:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Why do I continue to "troll" your campaign? I just think it is an interesting phenomena how someone can be so out of touch with reality. Issler is quite possibly the most epic unintentional troll I have ever witnessed. It's quite fascinating. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1290
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:45:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Miso Souped wrote:Minta Contha wrote:I voted Issler over Hans because Issler remains calm when being baited (hence good in committee) whereas Hans rages like a ****. where did you get this from? Ive never seen Hans RAGE would love to see where you got this idea. He was actually baited many times during the election.....those that paid attention actually said did the opposite In fact, he even persuaded several staunchly anti-Hans people to see the error of their ways and subsequently vote and endorse Hans (chief example being Corelin). But that is not relevant to this discussion. What is relevant is that Issler may have outwardly maintained her same in-denial passive-aggressive persona, but she hasn't ADDRESSED questions/concerns that have been presented to her. She simply says "Goon alt, next!" if the question/concern is even vaguely anti-Issler's campaign. vOv Someone like Hans that after the polls closed continued to rant in my thread and refused to accept anything positive I said about him looked pretty unbalanced to me. I really don't see anymore how he could be effective working in a group where he will think disagreement is a form of personal attack. As to the other charge I answered every legitimate question posed, I did not however address unanswerable questions to folks that clearly weren't reading my responses and only interested in some variation of personal attacks. Again, huge thanks to my supporters! I will continue to try and drive mining improvements into Eve. To the folks still trolling in my thread, particularly the Blitzners, still trying to figure out what you hope to accomplish. Issler I really don't understand your incredible lack of comprehension. Hans only engaged you here in this thread (and I don't think anyone would call it ranting, he merely seemed irritated to me) because you touted false information about him and his campaign and then later on consistently assaulted his personal character by calling him insane and unjustly (and illogically) questioning his ability to lead the EVE community (which I find ironic in the extreme). Oh, and you posted private communications between him and you, which (as I've stated before) isn't illegal but isn't very kosher. Why do I continue to "troll" your campaign? I just think it is an interesting phenomena how someone can be so out of touch with reality.
Nothing I said about Hans was false.
For example he admits to having pirated.
He didn't start to run based on supporting high sec miners.
He didn't make mining a major part of his campaign, even one of his supporters said it took him 10 minutes to find him saying something about mining.
Maybe you meant I lied about the good things I said about him.... I hadn't thought that I had got those wrong...
I may have had a different interpretation of what calling a candidate someone who panders means but everything else I stated was a fact. He was unhappy I shared an Eve mail he sent me but honestly, not that much in it other the pander thing was that remarkable. The fact I offered to removed it and modify my post just netted more ranting.
It's funny how in just the last couple of minutes a neutral observer saw the situation exactly as I did, only the blitzners who clearly are full the brim with blitzner-aide seem to think the crazy posts of Hans were worthy of respect and continue to pointlessly post in a now irrelevant CSM campaign thread.
Let it go, its over... get a life because posting here isn't doing anything useful. You love Hans, great! Bake him a cake! But ranting in here because your boy freaked out isn't helping him a bit. In fact all it does is show anyone in the CSM that is having trouble opposing him how easy its going to be to bate him to the point of distraction.
Issler
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:47:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Why do I continue to "troll" your campaign? I just think it is an interesting phenomena how someone can be so out of touch with reality. Issler is quite possibly the most epic unintentional troll I have ever witnessed. It's quite fascinating.
It's not even an unintentional troll, it's pretty much a full on bout of psychosis. Delusions of grandeur, paranoia? Yeah, someone needs a straitjacket and a comfy padded room here. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1290
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:48:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Why do I continue to "troll" your campaign? I just think it is an interesting phenomena how someone can be so out of touch with reality. Issler is quite possibly the most epic unintentional troll I have ever witnessed. It's quite fascinating.
At this point what makes you think my blitzner responses are unintentional. Other than thanking folks that supported me all I really have left to do in this thread is to see how wrapped around the axle I can get some of my detractors.
Issler
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2012.03.21 21:02:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:At this point what makes you think my blitzner responses are unintentional. Other than thanking folks that supported me all I really have left to do in this thread is to see how wrapped around the axle I can get some of my detractors.
GallowsCalibrator wrote:It's not even an unintentional troll, it's pretty much a full on bout of psychosis. Delusions of grandeur, paranoia? Yeah, someone needs a straitjacket and a comfy padded room here. Yeah, can't really argue that one... I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Grumpy Owly
356
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Posted - 2012.03.21 21:23:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: He didn't make mining a major part of his campaign, even one of his supporters said it took him 10 minutes to find him saying something about mining.
Actually my point was that it took me less than ten minutes to find a locate the details in both Han's campaign platform and his thread for the relevant details in respect to your specific comment about mining being fun. It was important for me to locate the references in context as I guess there needs to be some relevance and evidence in making a point valid. You might want to try it sometime.
This was to emphasise from your complete lack of even bothering to research another candidates viewpoints on the subject and formulate incorrect assumptions about them as a result.
to demonstrate again in context:
Issler Dainze wrote:I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign. So please show me the Hans being about making mining more fun. Never said that and he sure hasn't made it front and center in his campaign.
As you request, nicely front and center in his campaign:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Joyitii wrote:Mining thoughts.... Checked out the thread. Textural mapping or spin rate variation to distinguish between asteroids that are named the same on overview, but contain varying amounts of ore is brilliant. It is perhaps the most beautiful solution to the problem I've seen so far. And developmentally, this makes a lot of sense. We've just overhauled planets, nebulas, warp tunnels, and now the ships themselves.....leaving asteroid belts as sadly one of the most graphically outdated features in the game. It makes absolute sense to me to build a "captcha" into the markings of the asteroids, their shape, or their motion, and solve the botting issue without even having to do much more work than they should be doing anyways to keep up with their artwork schedule. DEATH TO ALL BOTS. I favor solutions that elevate mining as a profession. I also believe in addressing problems at their root. Currently mining is not a well-respected profession, despite it being such a critical part of the EvE economy. One of the root causes of this is that the game mechanics are so simplistic that artificial intelligence can substitute for human intuition. This is not the fault of the players. The resulting arguments over who is botting and who isn't absolute tear the EvE community to shreds year after year. It fuels griefing, it causes massive distrust amongst all sorts of player entities, even reaching the CSM itself. This is in no way the kind of "good conflict" that drives game activity and keeps things fun. It's quite the opposite. If we can convince CCP there's an accessible solution to the bot problem, that they can even sell well as part of an expansion (customers love new shineys!) I think its a win-win-win for the entire EvE community. Consider this a solution I can push to the developers if elected, until someone shows me something better.
Look, there's even a conveniant word "fun" used to help make a link to the reader that this is important in the development considerations.
Issler Dainze wrote:
I wish I'd have had time to follow anyone else's thread in any detail. I guess I have time now to see what I missed!
Issler
I guess you missed a lot and hypocritically try to argue about your own integrity. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Pelador Rova
Paladin Philanthropists
61
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Posted - 2012.03.21 21:49:00 -
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Just thought I'd share some evidence supporting how much Hans views the industrial side of the game and has intentions to support them, seeing as some people want to throw this into doubt:
Amarr local wrote:n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:00 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Chribba o/ n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:21 ] Chribba > ello n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:33 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I'm visiting your neighborhood here n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:40 ] Chribba > best place to be tbh n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:54 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > (though It wasn't the friendliest of welcomes, given me being minnie militia and an outlaw) n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:29 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > But I wanted to stop by and encourage everyone here to get to the polls and vote for their chosen candidate, this has never been a more important year to vote for the CSM! n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:35 ] Chribba > haha n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:54 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > We're looking to get a record turnout, hopefully n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:58 ] Kazuko Manjusha > buying faction afterburner n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:22 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Have you voted yet Chribba? I know you are a private man, no need to tell us who you voted for, but I'm curious if you've been to the polls yet n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:40 ] Chribba > I've put my vote from all my accounts yes n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:53 ] Jayden Amrahas > True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:55 ] Zhihatsu > I don't suppose I could ask someone to drop 50m on me? I'm woefully short on fitting out my zealot n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:55 ] Jayden Amrahas > Republic Fleet Small Shield Booster n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:59 ] Jayden Amrahas > Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:01 ] Jayden Amrahas > Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:22 ] Shine Soaro > Chribba after so many years of playing EvE, what keeps you motivated to play, if i may ask? n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:54 ] Chribba > community n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:58 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Good question Shine :) n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:05 ] Chribba > without all you fine pilots I wouldn't be here n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:08 ] Shine Soaro > :) n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:10 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > There are a lot of bittervets out there, Chribba does not seem bitter to me n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:31 ] Chribba > sure there are changes that I too think was better back then n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:42 ] Chribba > but one gotta see the bigger picture, and the bigger picture is what affects the most n++[ 2012.03.11 08:42:40 ] Pelador Rova > I'd like to endorse Hans for CSM7, He has a solid manifesto with many key interests including veldspar. With the war theme in the up and coming inferno expansion he also has a wealth of knowledge to support the development due to his background n++[ 2012.03.11 08:43:49 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Awwwww thanks Pelador! n++[ 2012.03.11 08:43:55 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I'm humbled n++[ 2012.03.11 08:45:16 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I hope after the summer of war stuff they can move on and do an industrial expansion n++[ 2012.03.11 08:45:39 ] Kazuko Manjusha > its more pvp n++[ 2012.03.11 08:45:40 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > overhaul POS's, fix up mining, and the like. n++[ 2012.03.11 08:46:12 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Dont get me wrong - I love PvP. But the industrial half of the game has been untouched for much longer than both Faction Warfare AND nullsec sov n++[ 2012.03.11 08:47:26 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I like to make boosters, myself. It involves gas mining AND Pos manufacturing, both systems that are pretty frustrating. n++[ 2012.03.11 08:47:50 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > so I have some personal stake in it seeing them given some overdue attention n++[ 2012.03.11 08:50:31 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > The only thing I dont have some stake in is nullsec issues - I dont spend much time out in 0.0. My interest is in making sure that empire space gets its needs voiced on the council n++[ 2012.03.11 08:50:53 ] Ravees Artanar > good luck
So you can see that Hans is actually in favour of seeing the industrial side even potentially get its own expansion. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1291
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Posted - 2012.03.21 22:32:00 -
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Pelador Rova wrote:Just thought I'd share some evidence supporting how much Hans views the industrial side of the game and has intentions to support them, seeing as some people want to throw this into doubt: Amarr local wrote:n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:00 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Chribba o/ n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:21 ] Chribba > ello n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:33 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I'm visiting your neighborhood here n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:40 ] Chribba > best place to be tbh n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:54 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > (though It wasn't the friendliest of welcomes, given me being minnie militia and an outlaw) n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:29 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > But I wanted to stop by and encourage everyone here to get to the polls and vote for their chosen candidate, this has never been a more important year to vote for the CSM! n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:35 ] Chribba > haha n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:54 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > We're looking to get a record turnout, hopefully n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:58 ] Kazuko Manjusha > buying faction afterburner n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:22 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Have you voted yet Chribba? I know you are a private man, no need to tell us who you voted for, but I'm curious if you've been to the polls yet n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:40 ] Chribba > I've put my vote from all my accounts yes n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:53 ] Jayden Amrahas > True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:55 ] Zhihatsu > I don't suppose I could ask someone to drop 50m on me? I'm woefully short on fitting out my zealot n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:55 ] Jayden Amrahas > Republic Fleet Small Shield Booster n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:59 ] Jayden Amrahas > Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:01 ] Jayden Amrahas > Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:22 ] Shine Soaro > Chribba after so many years of playing EvE, what keeps you motivated to play, if i may ask? n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:54 ] Chribba > community n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:58 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Good question Shine :) n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:05 ] Chribba > without all you fine pilots I wouldn't be here n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:08 ] Shine Soaro > :) n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:10 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > There are a lot of bittervets out there, Chribba does not seem bitter to me n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:31 ] Chribba > sure there are changes that I too think was better back then n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:42 ] Chribba > but one gotta see the bigger picture, and the bigger picture is what affects the most n++[ 2012.03.11 08:42:40 ] Pelador Rova > I'd like to endorse Hans for CSM7, He has a solid manifesto with many key interests including veldspar. With the war theme in the up and coming inferno expansion he also has a wealth of knowledge to support the development due to his background n++[ 2012.03.11 08:43:49 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Awwwww thanks Pelador! n++[ 2012.03.11 08:43:55 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I'm humbled n++[ 2012.03.11 08:45:16 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I hope after the summer of war stuff they can move on and do an industrial expansion n++[ 2012.03.11 08:45:39 ] Kazuko Manjusha > its more pvp n++[ 2012.03.11 08:45:40 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > overhaul POS's, fix up mining, and the like. n++[ 2012.03.11 08:46:12 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Dont get me wrong - I love PvP. But the industrial half of the game has been untouched for much longer than both Faction Warfare AND nullsec sov n++[ 2012.03.11 08:47:26 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I like to make boosters, myself. It involves gas mining AND Pos manufacturing, both systems that are pretty frustrating. n++[ 2012.03.11 08:47:50 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > so I have some personal stake in it seeing them given some overdue attention n++[ 2012.03.11 08:50:31 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > The only thing I dont have some stake in is nullsec issues - I dont spend much time out in 0.0. My interest is in making sure that empire space gets its needs voiced on the council n++[ 2012.03.11 08:50:53 ] Ravees Artanar > good luck So you can see that Hans is actually in favour of seeing the industrial side even potentially get its own expansion.
I never said he wasn't in favor of some improvements in industry. I said it wasn't his focus when he ran. I'm in favor of improvements in low sec and null. That doesn't make me the null sec and low sec candidate.
I like kittens and puppies!!
Issler Dainze The kittens and puppies candidate!
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1291
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Posted - 2012.03.21 22:35:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:
............Space madness induced dead horse beating.................
I've given up on you Grumpy Owly, you have near terminal blitsner-aide poisoning. Blocking your posts.
Goodbye sad, lost and confused avian.
Issler
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Prince Kobol
255
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Posted - 2012.03.21 22:37:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
Nothing I said about Hans was false.
For example he admits to having pirated.
He didn't start to run based on supporting high sec miners.
He didn't make mining a major part of his campaign, even one of his supporters said it took him 10 minutes to find him saying something about mining.
This proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Being a Pirate has no relevance about wanting to improve the industrial side of Eve, just like mining only plays a very small part in Industry.
You seem to be fixated about mining in high sec as this will cure all the problems that Industrialists face.. it won't, not by a long way.
Your severe lack of knowledge regarding any aspect of Eve is actually quite frightening considering you wanted to be elected as a CSM.
Exactly what was your overall plan, you though that you could get elected as a CSM Member and then just get together a group of players to advise you when ever an issue comes up?
Yeah I can see that working really well.. there you are on a Skype meeting
CSM member - "So what do you think about about x,y and z"
Issler Dainze - "Hang on whilst I consult with my committee as I have no idea about this subject"
I just want to go back to the whole "he is a pirate" thing.
I would like you to explain what being a pirate has anything to do with wanting to improve the industrial side of Eve?
Lets use Saleene as an example, he has come up with some fantastic blogs regarding Industry, its faults and where he would like to see improvements made and yet he is the CEO of Body Count Inc, so does that mean he is unable to voice an opinion about Industry?
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Grumpy Owly
357
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Posted - 2012.03.21 22:40:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:
............Space madness induced dead horse beating.................
I've given up on you Grumpy Owly, you have near terminal blitsner-aide poisoning. Blocking your posts. Goodbye sad, lost and confused avian. Issler
Merely correcting your consistant missguided interpretation of things, especailly in relation to myself. Not the first time you've tried to manipulate things about myself either. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1291
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Posted - 2012.03.21 22:46:00 -
[952] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Nothing I said about Hans was false
For example he admits to having pirated
He didn't start to run based on supporting high sec miners
He didn't make mining a major part of his campaign, even one of his supporters said it took him 10 minutes to find him saying something about mining
This proves that you have no idea what you are talking about Being a Pirate has no relevance about wanting to improve the industrial side of Eve, just like mining only plays a very small part in Industry You seem to be fixated about mining in high sec as this will cure all the problems that Industrialists face.. it won't, not by a long way Your severe lack of knowledge regarding any aspect of Eve is actually quite frightening considering you wanted to be elected as a CSM Exactly what was your overall plan, you though that you could get elected as a CSM Member and then just get together a group of players to advise you when ever an issue comes up Yeah I can see that working really well.. there you are on a Skype meeting CSM member - "So what do you think about about x,y and z Issler Dainze - "Hang on whilst I consult with my committee as I have no idea about this subject I just want to go back to the whole "he is a pirate" thing I would like you to explain what being a pirate has anything to do with wanting to improve the industrial side of Eve Lets use Saleene as an example, he has come up with some fantastic blogs regarding Industry, its faults and where he would like to see improvements made and yet he is the CEO of Body Count Inc, so does that mean he is unable to voice an opinion about Industry
Most high sec miners would find being a pirate incompatible with who they choose represent them
I am running on mining first as my primary interest. I never claimed that mining improvements were all that industry needed.
My slogan wasn't Industries Friend, it was Miner's Friend
You keep claiming my lack of knowledge about aspects of Eve but never produce and example
I made it pretty clear I would involve players to refine the suggestions related to the mining improvements I'd drive into the CSM process and already commented on how I would work in the CSM 7. By the way, been in the CSM already and that worked fine
There really is no discussing this with you. You didn't like me or how I ran my campaign, noted. Not everyone could be expected to support me. But there is no point in the back and forth with you now
You didn't support me, you didn't vote for me and would never ever in the future. Understood. If you feel this is so important to continue well after the election is over then start your own anti-Issler thread. I'm sure that would be a great use of your time
Blocking you too now
Issler |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
174
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Posted - 2012.03.21 23:19:00 -
[953] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Nothing I said about Hans was false
For example he admits to having pirated
He didn't start to run based on supporting high sec miners
He didn't make mining a major part of his campaign, even one of his supporters said it took him 10 minutes to find him saying something about mining
This proves that you have no idea what you are talking about Being a Pirate has no relevance about wanting to improve the industrial side of Eve, just like mining only plays a very small part in Industry You seem to be fixated about mining in high sec as this will cure all the problems that Industrialists face.. it won't, not by a long way Your severe lack of knowledge regarding any aspect of Eve is actually quite frightening considering you wanted to be elected as a CSM Exactly what was your overall plan, you though that you could get elected as a CSM Member and then just get together a group of players to advise you when ever an issue comes up Yeah I can see that working really well.. there you are on a Skype meeting CSM member - "So what do you think about about x,y and z Issler Dainze - "Hang on whilst I consult with my committee as I have no idea about this subject I just want to go back to the whole "he is a pirate" thing I would like you to explain what being a pirate has anything to do with wanting to improve the industrial side of Eve Lets use Saleene as an example, he has come up with some fantastic blogs regarding Industry, its faults and where he would like to see improvements made and yet he is the CEO of Body Count Inc, so does that mean he is unable to voice an opinion about Industry Most high sec miners would find being a pirate incompatible with who they choose represent them I am running on mining first as my primary interest. I never claimed that mining improvements were all that industry needed. My slogan wasn't Industries Friend, it was Miner's Friend You keep claiming my lack of knowledge about aspects of Eve but never produce and example I made it pretty clear I would involve players to refine the suggestions related to the mining improvements I'd drive into the CSM process and already commented on how I would work in the CSM 7. By the way, been in the CSM already and that worked fine There really is no discussing this with you. You didn't like me or how I ran my campaign, noted. Not everyone could be expected to support me. But there is no point in the back and forth with you now You didn't support me, you didn't vote for me and would never ever in the future. Understood. If you feel this is so important to continue well after the election is over then start your own anti-Issler thread. I'm sure that would be a great use of your time Blocking you too now Issler
Issler: "Oh god, this guy has a point. Blocked! Problem solved, phew that was close."
And also Issler, I know a lot of miner's, I used to do mining, I have a lot of friends that mine, so I would contest that you are overestimating the demographic of miner's who WOULDN'T vote for someone because they engage in lowsec piratical behavior (re: GCC). Suicide ganking is a different question, but Hans doesn't suicide gank, he GCC's in lowsec. Most miner's I know are well-reasoned individuals and (I am in no doubt that they) would know that just because Hans has a low security status it doesn't affect his understanding and participation in industrial mechanics and his advocating those mechanics iteration and improvement on the CSM.
From what it sounds like to me, you are appealing to the small minority of miners who are just absolutely ******** and get ganked repeatedly or die in hilarious ways when entering lowsec; you know, things that can be avoided through the utilization of common sense. That in itself is actually kind of fitting, since there is every indication that you are one of those people, and you know what, feel free to gather that small community and make a real push in CSM8 to have their voice on the CSM. Good for you.
But maybe, instead of insulting a community of players (miners) by making a reaching and illogical stereotype about them (that they are petty and unable to understand the nature of the CSM) by saying they wouldn't vote for a "pirate", you can stop calling yourself the Miner's Friend and call yourself the Oh-Look-There-Are-Some-Catalysts-In-Belt-With-Me-What-U/lskjdfa;sdfa!!!!!! 's Friend.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
174
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Posted - 2012.03.21 23:22:00 -
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inb4 - "blocking you too, vordak!" Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.03.21 23:43:00 -
[955] - Quote
Four more pages and you got more posts in thread than any other CSM candidate. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1292
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Posted - 2012.03.21 23:44:00 -
[956] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:Four more pages and you got more posts in thread than any other CSM candidate.
These guys aren't showing any signs of letting up so that goal is in sight!
Issler |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
247
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Posted - 2012.03.22 05:12:00 -
[957] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Oh-Look-There-Are-Some-Catalysts-In-Belt-With-Me-What-U/lskjdfa;sdfa!!!!!! 's Friend. Quite a long title.
The Hey-I-Have-Blasters-And-There-is-a-Hulk's Friend.
-A Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1001
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:20:00 -
[958] - Quote
Congrats, Issler!
Give 'em hell.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Sephira Galamore
Nemesis Holdings Corp Luna Sanguinem
9
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:39:00 -
[959] - Quote
Aye, congratulations! :) |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
517
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:44:00 -
[960] - Quote
lol congrats issler |
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Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
106
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Posted - 2012.03.24 18:27:00 -
[961] - Quote
Congratulations!!! \o/
I'm glad there's a girl among 'em...keep them all lined out!! Would you like a kitten? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2086
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:06:00 -
[962] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Kai Tel wrote:Four more pages and you got more posts in thread than any other CSM candidate. These guys aren't showing any signs of letting up so that goal is in sight! Issler
Your goal was winning an alternate seat for CSM 7? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
353
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:44:00 -
[963] - Quote
Hey Issler, congratulations for making into the 14!
For the rest, the top 7 CSM is a disgrace, but we already knew it would be that way. I am so glad i didn't went nuts and bought a one year plan for Indahamwar!
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
Change that! Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1302
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:15:00 -
[964] - Quote
Thank you everyone that supported me! We had a lot of shouty trolls to overcome but in the end we all came together and now we have someone that really will commit to representing the miners of Eve and high sec in general!
I now owe you all hard work and my best effort to get the ideas to make Eve better for us into CCPs plans!
I will not let you down!
Issler |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:35:00 -
[965] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Kai Tel wrote:Four more pages and you got more posts in thread than any other CSM candidate. These guys aren't showing any signs of letting up so that goal is in sight! Issler Your goal was winning an alternate seat for CSM 7?
I'm disappointed we can't troll Issler because she did get an alternate seat. I'm excited now about trolling Darius III because he got less votes than Issler.
A man with a dream- a dream to troll - can always find a way. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1302
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:38:00 -
[966] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Kai Tel wrote:Four more pages and you got more posts in thread than any other CSM candidate. These guys aren't showing any signs of letting up so that goal is in sight! Issler Your goal was winning an alternate seat for CSM 7? I'm disappointed we can't troll Issler because she did get an alternate seat. I'm excited now about trolling Darius III because he got less votes than Issler. A man with a dream- a dream to troll - can always find a way.
There are no longer alternates, I'm a full CSM, just not going to Iceland on CCP's isks.
I am glad to have provided a new target! I owed that to you for making my life so interesting during the election. And you should still feel free to troll me on the slower days when you are looking for a distraction!
Issler I'll keep signing my posts just for you guys!
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Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
308
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:41:00 -
[967] - Quote
Keep telling yourself that you are a full CSM member, maybe it will come true. Kind of like the last person picked in kickball thinking they are something. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1302
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:45:00 -
[968] - Quote
Aryndel Vyst wrote:Keep telling yourself that you are a full CSM member, maybe it will come true. Kind of like the last person picked in kickball thinking they are something.
I just want to point out you are clueless. The CSM changed and the idea of alternates are no longer part of the CSM. Mittens himself made that point. All CSM members have full standing and will be active in the discussion. When the CSM first started alternates had no voice and no vote. There are no alternates now, just half that don't go to Iceland.
Please go read the dev blog about the new CSM structure if you are still confused.
Issler
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.24 21:05:00 -
[969] - Quote
What are you going to do in light of the fact that none of the rest of the CSM care about highsec mining issues beyond nerfing it?
Seeing your ideas and promises languish is going to be as fun as trolling your thread would have been if you'd failed to be elected, so good luck! |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.03.24 21:42:00 -
[970] - Quote
Seems like she won out in spite of all you trolling goon bitches. By making her thread so visible you may have even helped her campaign. Good for you Issler. I am LMAO. |
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Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.25 00:37:00 -
[971] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: The CSM changed and the idea of alternates are no longer part of the CSM. Mittens himself made that point. All CSM members have full standing and will be active in the discussion. When the CSM first started alternates had no voice and no vote. There are no alternates now, just half that don't go to Iceland.
Please go read the dev blog about the new CSM structure if you are still confused.
Oh, they did? Cool! I'm gonna go look back at the devblogs, then! ...Got link, by chance?
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1303
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Posted - 2012.03.25 02:08:00 -
[972] - Quote
Tech3ZH wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: The CSM changed and the idea of alternates are no longer part of the CSM. Mittens himself made that point. All CSM members have full standing and will be active in the discussion. When the CSM first started alternates had no voice and no vote. There are no alternates now, just half that don't go to Iceland.
Please go read the dev blog about the new CSM structure if you are still confused. Oh, they did? Cool! I'm gonna go look back at the devblogs, then! ...Got link, by chance?
You have to dig around but the clearest reference was in the last CSM summit report.
"The reasoning behind this is that during the term of CSM6 the practical distinction between an alternate and a member has all but vanished, and all 14 elected members have had an equal say in matters relating to the workings of the CSM (both in having an input on issues and with communications with CCP, both on chat and voice)."
They also reduced the CSM attending Iceland meetings to 7 from 9.
Issler |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
258
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Posted - 2012.03.25 02:19:00 -
[973] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:Seems like she won out in spite of all you trolling goon bitches. By making her thread so visible you may have even helped her campaign. Good for you Issler. I am LMAO. Haha, well played good sir.
At least it's someone who doesn't believe titans are balanced on their cost or SP requirement. I think. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2012.03.25 02:21:00 -
[974] - Quote
I'm curious to know that now that you have a place on the CSM will you continue to focus solely on the issues that you campaigned over to the exclusion of nothing else, or will you be willing to work closely with your new peers to work on broad issues that effect the game even if little attention is paid to your interests at any one time? When a CCP dev asks for feed back on Mining or Industry and everyone at the table turns to look at you, will you be ready to have something to say? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3390
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Posted - 2012.03.25 02:21:00 -
[975] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:Seems like she won out in spite of all you trolling goon bitches. By making her thread so visible you may have even helped her campaign. Good for you Issler. I am LMAO.
issler totally defeated the mittani in the race for the chairmanship with her 10,058 votes "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1304
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Posted - 2012.03.25 04:04:00 -
[976] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Kai Tel wrote:Seems like she won out in spite of all you trolling goon bitches. By making her thread so visible you may have even helped her campaign. Good for you Issler. I am LMAO. Haha, well played good sir. At least it's someone who doesn't believe titans are balanced on their cost or SP requirement. I think.
You would be correct! :-)
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1304
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Posted - 2012.03.25 04:10:00 -
[977] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:I'm curious to know that now that you have a place on the CSM will you continue to focus solely on the issues that you campaigned over to the exclusion of nothing else, or will you be willing to work closely with your new peers to work on broad issues that effect the game even if little attention is paid to your interests at any one time? When a CCP dev asks for feed back on Mining or Industry and everyone at the table turns to look at you, will you be ready to have something to say?
I'm part of a team so I will definitely work with the other CSM issues. It is key in fact to not be single issue focused if I have any chance of gaining support with the other members of CSM 7. I see myself as being a constant voice for the issues I supported but to succeed in the CSM and with CCP is to be open and balanced when other areas of Eve become the topic of the CSM.
So I will be focusing on mining and ambulation but working as part of the CSM team. I believe Eve is best served by a chorus of CSM voices with each voice bringing its own focus to the choir.
That is a great question by the way!
Issler |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
33
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Posted - 2012.03.25 04:35:00 -
[978] - Quote
You know, Issler may be an inane pubbie, but at least she isn't batshit insane like Xenuria.
It isn't a huge accomplishment to be more sane than Xenuria, though.
Edit: Iss, drop the "bears roar" bit. You aren't doing a goddamned thing to unseat any nullsec powerblocs. The most you will do is make the hardcore anti-wis people try to troll harder. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1304
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:04:00 -
[979] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:You know, Issler may be an inane pubbie, but at least she isn't batshit insane like Xenuria.
It isn't a huge accomplishment to be more sane than Xenuria, though.
Edit: Iss, drop the "bears roar" bit. You aren't doing a goddamned thing to unseat any nullsec powerblocs. The most you will do is make the hardcore anti-wis people try to troll harder.
So empowering care bears with the slogan I think is valid thing to do. I don't want to stop the trolls yet, I need about three more pages to have had the largest CSM 7 thread!
We certainly didn't displace any power blocks but we did go from "not a chance" to a seat on the CSM 7. So a start.
I'll make you this promise, as soon as this gets to the largest thread in the CSM 7 race I will edit the thread title!
Issler |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
223
|
Posted - 2012.03.25 06:47:00 -
[980] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Tech3ZH wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: The CSM changed and the idea of alternates are no longer part of the CSM. Mittens himself made that point. All CSM members have full standing and will be active in the discussion. When the CSM first started alternates had no voice and no vote. There are no alternates now, just half that don't go to Iceland.
Please go read the dev blog about the new CSM structure if you are still confused. Oh, they did? Cool! I'm gonna go look back at the devblogs, then! ...Got link, by chance? You have to dig around but the clearest reference was in the last CSM summit report. "The reasoning behind this is that during the term of CSM6 the practical distinction between an alternate and a member has all but vanished, and all 14 elected members have had an equal say in matters relating to the workings of the CSM (both in having an input on issues and with communications with CCP, both on chat and voice)."They also reduced the CSM attending Iceland meetings to 7 from 9. Issler that is if you make yourself useful and participate, in your area of expertise, like two step and elise randolph did last term now, i wonder what you can do for the csm, apart from being nice and patting the back of every freak demanding for more earrings, /dance at nightclubs, i guess stick to the mining. wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
33
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:40:00 -
[981] - Quote
One thing is for sure! Issler will be marginally more useful to the CSM than Darius III.
Maybe. |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
879
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:43:00 -
[982] - Quote
:snypa: aw yeah |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
355
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Posted - 2012.03.25 10:33:00 -
[983] - Quote
Keeping the thread alive...
I made a list of the rank vs votes between CSM 6 and 7.
1: The Mittani 5,365 / The Mittani 10,058
2: Seleene 3,813 / Two Step 4,150
3: UAxDEATH 3,320 / Elise Randolph 3,714
4: Trebor Daehdoow 3,306 / Greene Lee 3,329
5: Killer2 2,925 / Trebor Daehdoow 3,184
6: White Tree 2,539 / Kelduum Revaan 3,163
7: Vile Rat 2,240 / Seleene 2,845
8: Meissa Anunthiel 2,086 / UAxDEATH 2,465
9: Draco Llasa 1,986 / Hans Jagerblitzen 2,439
10: Elise Randolph 1,747 / Meissa Anunthiel 2,289
11: Prometheus Exenthal 1,341 / Dovinian 2,284
12: Krutoj 1,090 / Issler Dainze 1,561
13: Two Step 956 / Alekseyev Karrde 1,533
14: Darius III 921 / Darius III 1,282
I am sure that here's interesting conclussions to get from it... EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
355
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Posted - 2012.03.25 10:48:00 -
[984] - Quote
Interesting conclussion #1:
As CSM got 10,000 vots more than CSM 6, and of those 10,000, 8,500 are rigged alt votes, this means that there's 1,500 actually "new" voters.
Then, the "new bloc" candidates, Issler and Hans, gathered some 4,000 votes.
Dunno how many votes for Issler and Hans are "reallocated" votes, but provided how have risen the numbers for non-bloc candidates, and how some candidates have lost a helluva votes (Seleene lost 1,000 votes himself alone), I guesstimate that CSM 7 would had lost votes compared to CSM6 if weren't for the new bloc candidates and the rigging bloc alts
Think of it. 10,000 new votes, 8,500 are rigged ones, and candidates aimed to people who never voted before got as much as 4,000 votes themselves.
Smells of FAIL. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
224
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Posted - 2012.03.25 12:10:00 -
[985] - Quote
there are rigged votes then there are dirty votes gained by promising /dance, earnings and emoting wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Zorok
Supreme Work Organisation of Roid Destroyers
1
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Posted - 2012.03.25 13:48:00 -
[986] - Quote
Hi Issler Congratulations! I'm glad to hear that you made the CSM. Now that you're on the CSM, for us who mine, will you be making proposals to make mining less tedious and more fun? Also, will you be drafting any plans to give miners more tools to deal with griefers (wannabe PvPers who like to prey on industrial ships in low/null sec areas)? I think that there should be some new kind of module or ship type that would make it much harder to take down industrials. The only mechanic in the game right now for those players is to simply log out if someone show sup on screen. Some of my ideas to help cut down on ganking (esp in WH areas) would be to have an active radar system rather than the overview that must be clicked continually. It would work just like a real radar with blips illuminating objects that appear in scanner range and when you hover over them, a popup balloon would say what each of those objects are (They could even use different colors/shapes to symbolize what each object means). I think that this would be a bit better than the current D-scan system. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.25 14:03:00 -
[987] - Quote
Zorok wrote:Hi Issler Congratulations! I'm glad to hear that you made the CSM. Now that you're on the CSM, for us who mine, will you be making proposals to make mining less tedious and more fun? Also, will you be drafting any plans to give miners more tools to deal with griefers (wannabe PvPers who like to prey on industrial ships in low/null sec areas)? I think that there should be some new kind of module or ship type that would make it much harder to take down industrials. The only mechanic in the game right now for those players is to simply log out if someone show sup on screen. Some of my ideas to help cut down on ganking (esp in WH areas) would be to have an active radar system rather than the overview that must be clicked continually. It would work just like a real radar with blips illuminating objects that appear in scanner range and when you hover over them, a popup balloon would say what each of those objects are (They could even use different colors/shapes to symbolize what each object means). I think that this would be a bit better than the current D-scan system.
Hi Zorok,
The Mittani got over 10k votes, and that means people like you are going to suffer! Also your idea is really horrible. Well, peace. |
None ofthe Above
133
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Posted - 2012.03.25 15:27:00 -
[988] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Interesting conclussion #1:
As CSM got 10,000 vots more than CSM 6, and of those 10,000, 8,500 are rigged alt votes, this means that there's 1,500 actually "new" voters.
Then, the "new bloc" candidates, Issler and Hans, gathered some 4,000 votes.
Dunno how many votes for Issler and Hans are "reallocated" votes, but provided how have risen the numbers for non-bloc candidates, and how some candidates have lost a helluva votes (Seleene lost 1,000 votes himself alone), I guesstimate that CSM 7 would had lost votes compared to CSM6 if weren't for the new bloc candidates and the rigging bloc alts
Think of it. 10,000 new votes, 8,500 are rigged ones, and candidates aimed to people who never voted before got as much as 4,000 votes themselves.
Smells of FAIL.
Wait what? While I suspect you may be at least partially correct here. From where are you drawing the conclusion there where 8500 "rigged" alt votes?
And how do you define "rigged"? As far as I know we are allowed to vote freely on all qualifying accounts, what makes a vote rigged?
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
46
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Posted - 2012.03.25 15:43:00 -
[989] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Interesting conclussion #1:
As CSM got 10,000 vots more than CSM 6, and of those 10,000, 8,500 are rigged alt votes...
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Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
46
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Posted - 2012.03.25 15:44:00 -
[990] - Quote
None ofthe Above wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Interesting conclussion #1:
As CSM got 10,000 vots more than CSM 6, and of those 10,000, 8,500 are rigged alt votes, this means that there's 1,500 actually "new" voters.
Then, the "new bloc" candidates, Issler and Hans, gathered some 4,000 votes.
Dunno how many votes for Issler and Hans are "reallocated" votes, but provided how have risen the numbers for non-bloc candidates, and how some candidates have lost a helluva votes (Seleene lost 1,000 votes himself alone), I guesstimate that CSM 7 would had lost votes compared to CSM6 if weren't for the new bloc candidates and the rigging bloc alts
Think of it. 10,000 new votes, 8,500 are rigged ones, and candidates aimed to people who never voted before got as much as 4,000 votes themselves.
Smells of FAIL. Wait what? While I suspect you may be at least partially correct here. From where are you drawing the conclusion there where 8500 "rigged" alt votes? And how do you define "rigged"? As far as I know we are allowed to vote freely on all qualifying accounts, what makes a vote rigged?
Voting for people she doesn't like is "rigging" an election. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
366
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Posted - 2012.03.25 17:06:00 -
[991] - Quote
None ofthe Above wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Interesting conclussion #1:
As CSM got 10,000 vots more than CSM 6, and of those 10,000, 8,500 are rigged alt votes, this means that there's 1,500 actually "new" voters.
Then, the "new bloc" candidates, Issler and Hans, gathered some 4,000 votes.
Dunno how many votes for Issler and Hans are "reallocated" votes, but provided how have risen the numbers for non-bloc candidates, and how some candidates have lost a helluva votes (Seleene lost 1,000 votes himself alone), I guesstimate that CSM 7 would had lost votes compared to CSM6 if weren't for the new bloc candidates and the rigging bloc alts
Think of it. 10,000 new votes, 8,500 are rigged ones, and candidates aimed to people who never voted before got as much as 4,000 votes themselves.
Smells of FAIL. Wait what? While I suspect you may be at least partially correct here. From where are you drawing the conclusion there where 8500 "rigged" alt votes? And how do you define "rigged"? As far as I know we are allowed to vote freely on all qualifying accounts, what makes a vote rigged?
8,477 votes were cast by players between 30 and 250 days old, and they are the largest individual age range.
Dunno you, but I find interesting how those guys got to figure that there is a CSM, what it means, and how to vote, and bothered to vote, in less than 8 months into the game. Sepcially when much older players essentially don't care to vote.
Unless they are -oh god- alts created specially for the purpose of voting someone. I think that a per-candidate voter age breakup would be a funny thing to see... EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
None ofthe Above
133
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Posted - 2012.03.25 18:04:00 -
[992] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Interesting conclussion #1:
As CSM got 10,000 vots more than CSM 6, and of those 10,000, 8,500 are rigged alt votes, this means that there's 1,500 actually "new" voters.
Then, the "new bloc" candidates, Issler and Hans, gathered some 4,000 votes.
Dunno how many votes for Issler and Hans are "reallocated" votes, but provided how have risen the numbers for non-bloc candidates, and how some candidates have lost a helluva votes (Seleene lost 1,000 votes himself alone), I guesstimate that CSM 7 would had lost votes compared to CSM6 if weren't for the new bloc candidates and the rigging bloc alts
Think of it. 10,000 new votes, 8,500 are rigged ones, and candidates aimed to people who never voted before got as much as 4,000 votes themselves.
Smells of FAIL. Wait what? While I suspect you may be at least partially correct here. From where are you drawing the conclusion there where 8500 "rigged" alt votes? And how do you define "rigged"? As far as I know we are allowed to vote freely on all qualifying accounts, what makes a vote rigged? 8,477 votes were cast by players between 30 and 250 days old, and they are the largest individual age range. Dunno you, but I find interesting how those guys got to figure that there is a CSM, what it means, and how to vote, and bothered to vote, in less than 8 months into the game. Sepcially when much older players essentially don't care to vote. Unless they are -oh god- alts created specially for the purpose of voting someone. I think that a per-candidate voter age breakup would be a funny thing to see...
I just noticed that number in the official results tally, figured that was what you where referring to.
Okay, I am sure that some of the 8500 where alts specifically created to vote. I admit to using that to justify creating a couple of new accounts myself (went Hans not Mittani, although I created them to vote for myself way back then).
I don't think just discounting all votes from anyone under 250 days of age is realistic though. It is an interesting statistic and I am sure you are at least partially correct here.
Oh and FYI Seleene lost votes most likely due to not having a block behind him. He got reelected pretty much solely on his performance, for which he deserves a lot of credit.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Tess Saisima
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:58:00 -
[993] - Quote
Quote:Dunno you, but I find interesting how those guys got to figure that there is a CSM, what it means, and how to vote, and bothered to vote, in less than 8 months into the game. Sepcially when much older players essentially don't care to vote.
A new player taking interest to the metagame? In Eve? Must be a goon alt. (And if it took you more than eight monthes to figure out how to access the forum...) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2162
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Posted - 2012.03.25 23:11:00 -
[994] - Quote
If you guys expended as much energy on campaigning for Issler as you do coming up with conspiracy theories she might have gotten further than one of the second-class citizen CSM seats. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ben Arwhal
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.25 23:14:00 -
[995] - Quote
Using my second post ever to confirm that sometimes new players (like myself) are just new players and yet swiftly became aware of and involved in the "metagame" aspect of Eve.
I'm legitimately new, and I voted!
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Golar Crexis
the boltzmann experience Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
12
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Posted - 2012.03.26 00:00:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Interesting conclussion #1:
As CSM got 10,000 vots more than CSM 6, and of those 10,000, 8,500 are rigged alt votes, this means that there's 1,500 actually "new" voters.
Then, the "new bloc" candidates, Issler and Hans, gathered some 4,000 votes.
Dunno how many votes for Issler and Hans are "reallocated" votes, but provided how have risen the numbers for non-bloc candidates, and how some candidates have lost a helluva votes (Seleene lost 1,000 votes himself alone), I guesstimate that CSM 7 would had lost votes compared to CSM6 if weren't for the new bloc candidates and the rigging bloc alts
Think of it. 10,000 new votes, 8,500 are rigged ones, and candidates aimed to people who never voted before got as much as 4,000 votes themselves.
Smells of FAIL. Wait what? While I suspect you may be at least partially correct here. From where are you drawing the conclusion there where 8500 "rigged" alt votes? And how do you define "rigged"? As far as I know we are allowed to vote freely on all qualifying accounts, what makes a vote rigged? 8,477 votes were cast by players between 30 and 250 days old, and they are the largest individual age range. Dunno you, but I find interesting how those guys got to figure that there is a CSM, what it means, and how to vote, and bothered to vote, in less than 8 months into the game. Sepcially when much older players essentially don't care to vote. Unless they are -oh god- alts created specially for the purpose of voting someone. I think that a per-candidate voter age breakup would be a funny thing to see...
Again we return to this.
This argument was made last year and dismissed by ccp as misunderstanding the data. To put it simply the age range of the characters is from when they bought into the game. Its not goons creating thousands of alts, its actual players, some of them goons, voting for the mittani.
Also I find the way you put you complaint to be highly insulting. The tone of you post made it appear as though we should simply ignore the wishes of 8500 people. And further to that, that newer players shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I would also like to point out that Test are culutrally similar to goonswarm. Why is their candidate an alternate if they could have simply "rigged" the system?
In short I respect your right to an opinion, but find your actual views highly moronic. |
Stirko Hek
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:53:00 -
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The best way to not get ganked is to simply not undock. The best way to make mining more fun is to simply not mine. Just pretend you're mining and making ISK so that you can mine more and make more ISK while you do the above. As you're usually watching movies or inappropriate films while mining, you might as well just watch them anyway without the fear of "Oh noes, Mittans blew up my valuable Hulk.". Less stress, lower bloodpressure and a longer life are the benefits of this.
The above negates any need for a CSM member to raise these issues, thus freeing up more CSM time on how to balance this game out.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
34
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:10:00 -
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Daviclond wrote:Zorok wrote:Hi Issler Congratulations! I'm glad to hear that you made the CSM. Now that you're on the CSM, for us who mine, will you be making proposals to make mining less tedious and more fun? Also, will you be drafting any plans to give miners more tools to deal with griefers (wannabe PvPers who like to prey on industrial ships in low/null sec areas)? I think that there should be some new kind of module or ship type that would make it much harder to take down industrials. The only mechanic in the game right now for those players is to simply log out if someone show sup on screen. Some of my ideas to help cut down on ganking (esp in WH areas) would be to have an active radar system rather than the overview that must be clicked continually. It would work just like a real radar with blips illuminating objects that appear in scanner range and when you hover over them, a popup balloon would say what each of those objects are (They could even use different colors/shapes to symbolize what each object means). I think that this would be a bit better than the current D-scan system. Hi Zorok, The Mittani got over 10k votes, and that means people like you are going to suffer! Also your idea is really horrible. Well, peace.
Well, I won't be suffering. Cause Mintanni has really god ideas on making mining interesting. I look forward to being a juicy target for blues and Raiden. alike! |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
34
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:17:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Interesting conclussion #1:
As CSM got 10,000 vots more than CSM 6, and of those 10,000, 8,500 are rigged alt votes, this means that there's 1,500 actually "new" voters.
Then, the "new bloc" candidates, Issler and Hans, gathered some 4,000 votes.
Dunno how many votes for Issler and Hans are "reallocated" votes, but provided how have risen the numbers for non-bloc candidates, and how some candidates have lost a helluva votes (Seleene lost 1,000 votes himself alone), I guesstimate that CSM 7 would had lost votes compared to CSM6 if weren't for the new bloc candidates and the rigging bloc alts
Think of it. 10,000 new votes, 8,500 are rigged ones, and candidates aimed to people who never voted before got as much as 4,000 votes themselves.
Smells of FAIL. Wait what? While I suspect you may be at least partially correct here. From where are you drawing the conclusion there where 8500 "rigged" alt votes? And how do you define "rigged"? As far as I know we are allowed to vote freely on all qualifying accounts, what makes a vote rigged? 8,477 votes were cast by players between 30 and 250 days old, and they are the largest individual age range. Dunno you, but I find interesting how those guys got to figure that there is a CSM, what it means, and how to vote, and bothered to vote, in less than 8 months into the game. Sepcially when much older players essentially don't care to vote. Unless they are -oh god- alts created specially for the purpose of voting someone. I think that a per-candidate voter age breakup would be a funny thing to see...
Yes, obviously these 8500 votes MUST be from accounts solely made to vote, and not from legitimate goon newbies. As CCP Marketing can prove, Goonswarm does not bring in any new players at all, ever. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:21:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Interesting conclussion #1:
As CSM got 10,000 vots more than CSM 6, and of those 10,000, 8,500 are rigged alt votes, this means that there's 1,500 actually "new" voters. You honestly can't believe that someone would voluntarily vote for the Mittani who wasn't a Goon? My industrialist/marketeering friend spent all three account's worth of votes on him because, as he put it, everyone else was pretty much **** or didn't really think about the game in the same way he did. I would have voted for Mittani if Hans hadn't been running; would have been two more independent votes for him.
Face it: The CSM is largely a sounding board for CCP, it doesn't exist to push through your particular "vision" for the game, although I imagine it could be used by CCP to sort of gauge the current priorities of the player base: a vote for Mittani indicates the playerbase would appreciate more null-sec spaceship jackassery.
In the end, to progress this game, null-sec needs some love. **** happening in null means that internet spaceship drama is happening which makes people interested in the game. No one gives a **** about small guys like me and our tiny victories and losses. No one cares about missioners or miners. Null-sec and sovereignty drives the game. This is why a vote for Issler was a wasted vote. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
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None ofthe Above
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:40:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Interesting conclussion #1:
As CSM got 10,000 vots more than CSM 6, and of those 10,000, 8,500 are rigged alt votes, this means that there's 1,500 actually "new" voters.
Then, the "new bloc" candidates, Issler and Hans, gathered some 4,000 votes.
Dunno how many votes for Issler and Hans are "reallocated" votes, but provided how have risen the numbers for non-bloc candidates, and how some candidates have lost a helluva votes (Seleene lost 1,000 votes himself alone), I guesstimate that CSM 7 would had lost votes compared to CSM6 if weren't for the new bloc candidates and the rigging bloc alts
Think of it. 10,000 new votes, 8,500 are rigged ones, and candidates aimed to people who never voted before got as much as 4,000 votes themselves.
Smells of FAIL. Wait what? While I suspect you may be at least partially correct here. From where are you drawing the conclusion there where 8500 "rigged" alt votes? And how do you define "rigged"? As far as I know we are allowed to vote freely on all qualifying accounts, what makes a vote rigged? 8,477 votes were cast by players between 30 and 250 days old, and they are the largest individual age range. Dunno you, but I find interesting how those guys got to figure that there is a CSM, what it means, and how to vote, and bothered to vote, in less than 8 months into the game. Sepcially when much older players essentially don't care to vote. Unless they are -oh god- alts created specially for the purpose of voting someone. I think that a per-candidate voter age breakup would be a funny thing to see...
So found an interesting and relevant article:
http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/03/uncertainty.html
And this graphic here:
http://jestertrek.com/eve/blog/2012/goon-exitpoll.png
If this is genuine, it looks like almost all of Mittani's votes are accounted for.
3582 Direct Goon Votes 2450 From allied corporations 3753 "Unaffiliated"
Remainders I would presume would be cast after this picture was taken or by folk not affiliated enough to have visited the goon website to be polled.
Some large portion of those 3753 I would presume would goon alts, or at least closely affiliated enough to go to the website to be exit polled, but not 100% sure of their methodology. Maybe many of those where recently created, but it doubtful there where enough there to sway the election.
FYI - Evewho lists Goonswarm Alliance as having 8000+ members.
So I find the idea of them stealing the election using such methods as you allege as unlikely. It would be "legal" for them to do so anyway, but they didn't.
I find some relief by noting that the High Sec vote for Mittani seems almost non-existant.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
226
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:51:00 -
[1002] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Interesting conclussion #1:
As CSM got 10,000 vots more than CSM 6, and of those 10,000, 8,500 are rigged alt votes, this means that there's 1,500 actually "new" voters.
Then, the "new bloc" candidates, Issler and Hans, gathered some 4,000 votes.
Dunno how many votes for Issler and Hans are "reallocated" votes, but provided how have risen the numbers for non-bloc candidates, and how some candidates have lost a helluva votes (Seleene lost 1,000 votes himself alone), I guesstimate that CSM 7 would had lost votes compared to CSM6 if weren't for the new bloc candidates and the rigging bloc alts
Think of it. 10,000 new votes, 8,500 are rigged ones, and candidates aimed to people who never voted before got as much as 4,000 votes themselves.
Smells of FAIL. Wait what? While I suspect you may be at least partially correct here. From where are you drawing the conclusion there where 8500 "rigged" alt votes? And how do you define "rigged"? As far as I know we are allowed to vote freely on all qualifying accounts, what makes a vote rigged? 8,477 votes were cast by players between 30 and 250 days old, and they are the largest individual age range. Dunno you, but I find interesting how those guys got to figure that there is a CSM, what it means, and how to vote, and bothered to vote, in less than 8 months into the game. Sepcially when much older players essentially don't care to vote. Unless they are -oh god- alts created specially for the purpose of voting someone. I think that a per-candidate voter age breakup would be a funny thing to see...
stick to suggesting new earrings and /dance and play with your barbie facemaker you dumb runt wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1309
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:30:00 -
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I want to continue to thank the folks still posting relevant analysis and the trolls as well!
This will be the largest CSM 7 thread!!!
Issler |
Carl Thunderthise
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:45:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote: No one cares about missioners or miners. Null-sec and sovereignty drives the game. This is why a vote for Issler was a wasted vote.
I just laughed so hard I blew tea out of my nose. If no one cares about miners or missioners then why did candidates supporting them get into the CSM? How can a vote for Issler be wasted if she gets into the CSM to support us? I love how you guys just can't bear that she got into the CSM despite the endless prating that she'd never manage.
I'm proud to have voted for her. |
Eben Harper
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:50:00 -
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Carl Thunderthise wrote:Karl Hobb wrote: No one cares about missioners or miners. Null-sec and sovereignty drives the game. This is why a vote for Issler was a wasted vote. I just laughed so hard I blew tea out of my nose. If no one cares about miners or missioners then why did candidates supporting them get into the CSM? How can a vote for Issler be wasted if she gets into the CSM to support us? I love how you guys just can't bear that she got into the CSM despite the endless prating that she'd never manage. I'm proud to have voted for her.
Likewise |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:09:00 -
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Carl Thunderthise wrote:If no one cares about miners or missioners then why did candidates supporting them get into the CSM? How can a vote for Issler be wasted if she gets into the CSM to support us? I love how you guys just can't bear that she got into the CSM despite the endless prating that she'd never manage. Do you think people outside of the game sub up because they heard someone talk about mining and missioning? If so, you're ******* stupid; no potential subscribers give a **** about your missioning and mining stories. In order for a PvP game like EVE to grow, you need space drama. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
376
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:39:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Carl Thunderthise wrote:If no one cares about miners or missioners then why did candidates supporting them get into the CSM? How can a vote for Issler be wasted if she gets into the CSM to support us? I love how you guys just can't bear that she got into the CSM despite the endless prating that she'd never manage. Do you think people outside of the game sub up because they heard someone talk about mining and missioning? If so, you're ******* stupid; no potential subscribers give a **** about your missioning and mining stories. In order for a PvP game like EVE to grow, you need space drama.
Yay, like Mittens calling for the cyberharrassment of a guy so he committs suicide... that sure makes for some briliant headlines. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1364
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:53:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Carl Thunderthise wrote:If no one cares about miners or missioners then why did candidates supporting them get into the CSM? How can a vote for Issler be wasted if she gets into the CSM to support us? I love how you guys just can't bear that she got into the CSM despite the endless prating that she'd never manage. Do you think people outside of the game sub up because they heard someone talk about mining and missioning? If so, you're ******* stupid; no potential subscribers give a **** about your missioning and mining stories. In order for a PvP game like EVE to grow, you need space drama.
Some of the most popular games today attract players because of things equivalent to "mining and missioning". You are the idiot who is looking through the telescope backwards at the gaming industry.
Sorry folks don't agree with your narrow view of gamers, thank goodness folks in Eve that like those elements of play are making their voice heard because the Eve you'd like will never grow past where it is today.
Issler |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:22:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Some of the most popular games today attract players because of things equivalent to "mining and missioning". You are the idiot who is looking through the telescope backwards at the gaming industry.
Sorry folks don't agree with your narrow view of gamers, thank goodness folks in Eve that like those elements of play are making their voice heard because the Eve you'd like will never grow past where it is today. Subscription stats seem to say otherwise.
Are there any other purely PvP free-market simulations where nearly all of the content is player-generated? if there are, you rarely hear of them. That's what makes EVE special. There are ****-tons of games out there with realistic boob-bouncing barbies you can dress in a myriad of latex fashions and emote in complete safety. Thankfully CCP seems committed to their vision of a harsh universe.
I'd also like to note that I find it quite unbecoming of a CSM member to be calling people idiots, much less blocking them on the forums. You are reinforcing a lot of player's opinion of you as a myopic candidate. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
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