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met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:22:00 -
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>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM
Dump them. Sack them. Kiss 'em off.
Find a method that represents ALL players and let's not have another year of self-congratulatory BS served in ego-wrap.
Follow the path taken with Crucible, listen to the majority when they speak (i.e. Jita Riots) and refuse to acknowledge the self-servers who claimed credit for what YOU, CCP, ultimately did.
IGNORE the morons that did everything they could to BRING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE with public "foot stamping" - the same people that pushed for game changes for the betterment of their own alliances. A MINORITY of EVE.
CSM 6 is corrupt, biased and downright dangerous for THE GAME.
WE DO NOT want a repeat.
CONSIDER random surveys from random players ad hoc to draw opinions/direction.
>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
168
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:24:00 -
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met worst wrote:>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM
Dump them. Sack them. Kiss 'em off.
Find a method that represents ALL players and let's not have another year of self-congratulatory BS served in ego-wrap.
Follow the path taken with Crucible, listen to the majority when they speak (i.e. Jita Riots) and refuse to acknowledge the self-servers who claimed credit for what YOU, CCP, ultimately did.
IGNORE the morons that did everything they could to BRING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE with public "foot stamping" - the same people that pushed for game changes for the betterment of their own alliances. A MINORITY of EVE.
CSM 6 is corrupt, biased and downright dangerous for THE GAME.
WE DO NOT want a repeat.
CONSIDER random surveys from random players ad hoc to draw opinions/direction.
>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM
I disagree with you.
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Black Dranzer
141
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:34:00 -
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My only objection with the CSM is that it's something I doubt half the playerbase even knows about. Their presence should be known to the general public of Eve. There should be voting interfaces build into the client.
But then, I come from Australia, where everybody votes because it's compulsory, so maybe my world view is warped.
Still, the CSM appear to have done decent work. I'm more confident about the direction of the game now than when the current CSM came into office, which is about all you can really hope for. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
421
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:37:00 -
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The existence of this thread and other threads like it justifies every effort Goonswarm has ever made to rule the CSM. http://goo.gl/uX5vk |
Ai Shun
183
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:41:00 -
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met worst wrote:>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM
Dump them. Sack them. Kiss 'em off.
Find a method that represents ALL players and let's not have another year of self-congratulatory BS served in ego-wrap.
Follow the path taken with Crucible, listen to the majority when they speak (i.e. Jita Riots) and refuse to acknowledge the self-servers who claimed credit for what YOU, CCP, ultimately did.
IGNORE the morons that did everything they could to BRING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE with public "foot stamping" - the same people that pushed for game changes for the betterment of their own alliances. A MINORITY of EVE.
CSM 6 is corrupt, biased and downright dangerous for THE GAME.
WE DO NOT want a repeat.
CONSIDER random surveys from random players ad hoc to draw opinions/direction.
>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM
I disagree; especially after reading the Minutes of the meeting between the CSM and CCP. I would suggest you use the democratic power you have available to you for the next election. |
Roosterton
Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
270
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:44:00 -
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Quote:Follow the path taken with Crucible, listen to the Majority when they speak (i.e. Jita Riots) and refuse to acknowledge the self-servers who claimed credit for what YOU, CCP, ultimately did.
Okay, so let me get this straight.
CCP have implemented a system where all of EVE's player base can vote for their favored candidates.
The candidates who get the most votes win.
Therefore, the more a candidate gets voted for by the playerbase, the more likely they are to be elected.
And you're claiming that this isn't in the interests of the majority of the playerbase?
Please explain to me logically and with words how this isn't representative of the playerbase. |
Black Dranzer
142
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:47:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:And you're claiming that this isn't in the interests of the majority of the playerbase? The problem is the assumption that the majority of the playerbase knows or understands who the CSM are or what they do. I'm not sure that it's safe to make that assumption. I'm not saying the CSM are bad, but the statement that they don't represent the majority of the playerbase is probably accurate if only because the majority of the playerbase probably don't even know they exist. |
Atticus Lowa
Lowa Corp Industries and Security
10
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:48:00 -
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the CSM WAS created to represent the playerbase, as a sort of direct representives to CCP, as opposed to nothing. without the CSM its unlikely for CCP to hear the complaints more efficently and effectively, albiet this sort of system benefits wow more than it does eve, considering the millions who supposedly play the game, direct representation is hard to do in practice.
CCP doesn't always listen to everyone as a community do to resource issues and CSM helps to give CCP priority. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
310
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:50:00 -
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Not this crap again.
Are you also still convinced CCP employees are doing RMT?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
170
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:57:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Not this crap again.
Are you also still convinced CCP employees are doing RMT?
wait...
CCP technically does RMT, don't they...
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
295
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:02:00 -
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Or, to make it more representative of the player base as a whole, ban all players in empire. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
76
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:07:00 -
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OP is mad because Darius is partaking in some incursions, nothing more, nothing less . Darius is a player after all, and is entitled to play the game he wishes to play it, this clearly grates against the OP as if Darius was not CSM after being a player there would be no post wishing to kill the CSM, if anything that sounds like RL threats |
Roosterton
Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
270
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:14:00 -
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Black Dranzer wrote:Roosterton wrote:And you're claiming that this isn't in the interests of the majority of the playerbase? The problem is the assumption that the majority of the playerbase knows or understands who the CSM are or what they do. I'm not sure that it's safe to make that assumption. I'm not saying the CSM are bad, but the statement that they don't represent the majority of the playerbase is probably accurate if only because the majority of the playerbase probably don't even know they exist.
How don't the majority of the playerbase know they exist? Every election it seems like there's a billion banners saying "make yourself heard in the CSM election!" and "take a moment to cast your vote" on the login screen. If you don't vote in the CSM election, it's either your fault for being ignorant to all of it, or you're just content with things how they are and don't care to vote. Either way; the majority of the playerbase which actually gives a damn is represented. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1283
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:30:00 -
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met worst wrote: Find a method that represents ALL players and let's not have another year of self-congratulatory BS served in ego-wrap.
Follow the path taken with Crucible, listen to the majority when they speak (i.e. Jita Riots) and refuse to acknowledge the self-servers who claimed credit for what YOU, CCP, ultimately did.
IGNORE the morons that did everything they could to BRING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE with public "foot stamping" - the same people that pushed for game changes for the betterment of their own alliances. A MINORITY of EVE.
1) Tell me a method of popular representation better than democracy. Please.
2) Tell me a method of determining the will of the majority better than democracy (in which the majority is represented). Please.
3a) CCP's misrepresenting the CSM's views was one of the reasons the Jita riots started.
b) How does the CSM bring the game into disrepute? What specifically have they done wrong in their roles as CSM? Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Ai Shun
183
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:32:00 -
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Black Dranzer wrote:Roosterton wrote:And you're claiming that this isn't in the interests of the majority of the playerbase? The problem is the assumption that the majority of the playerbase knows or understands who the CSM are or what they do. I'm not sure that it's safe to make that assumption. I'm not saying the CSM are bad, but the statement that they don't represent the majority of the playerbase is probably accurate if only because the majority of the playerbase probably don't even know they exist.
It would be fairly difficult for any player to not be aware of the CSM.
They would almost deliberately have to not research the game before purchasing, never read about it, never follow the forums, the fansites, the Facebook / twitter machine, avoid all chat channels in-game and not login during the months leading up to the election and the month or so after the election.
Oh, and not be subscribed to the newsletter.
If they manage all of that (And God help them, I'm sure there will be many) then really, should they be voting when they know **** all about EVE Online?
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
251
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:33:00 -
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it's funny cuz his avatar looks like a big baby |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:44:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:
How don't the majority of the playerbase know they exist? Every election it seems like there's a billion banners saying "make yourself heard in the CSM election!" and "take a moment to cast your vote" on the login screen. If you don't vote in the CSM election, it's either your fault for being ignorant to all of it, or you're just content with things how they are and don't care to vote. Either way; the majority of the playerbase which actually gives a damn is represented.
I have to agree. The news about the up-coming elections for the CSM has always been announced and posted like a sell-out celebrity's face on a box of Wheaties. It's very difficult for players to ignore. It even shows up on the login screen (which is a very effective reminder).
Therefore, the only players that don't know about the CSM are ones that have recently joined and have missed out on the elections because of it. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1130
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:50:00 -
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Black Dranzer wrote:My only objection with the CSM is that it's something I doubt half the playerbase even knows about. Their presence should be known to the general public of Eve. There should be voting interfaces build into the client.
But then, I come from Australia, where everybody votes because it's compulsory, so maybe my world view is warped.
Still, the CSM appear to have done decent work. I'm more confident about the direction of the game now than when the current CSM came into office, which is about all you can really hope for.
The player base knows about the CSM.
They just don't care about the CSM.
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stoicfaux
691
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:52:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=886
Quote:There were 49,096 votes cast by eligible voters (i.e. older than 30 days and thus able to vote), amassing a turnout of 14.25% - once again a record turnout. Of the total votes cast, 659 voters (1.34%) chose to abstain. This abstain % is far lower than previous elections, indicating that players had a better idea of who they wished to vote for compared to previous elections.
14.25% turnout. The winners received a total 27,580 votes, which means only 56.2% of 14.25% voted for them. Ergo, the CSM represents 8% of the player base.
*shrug*
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Mr M
Agony Unleashed
86
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:02:00 -
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met worst wrote:>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM
Dump them. Sack them. Kiss 'em off.
Find a method that represents ALL players and let's not have another year of self-congratulatory BS served in ego-wrap.
Follow the path taken with Crucible, listen to the majority when they speak (i.e. Jita Riots) and refuse to acknowledge the self-servers who claimed credit for what YOU, CCP, ultimately did.
IGNORE the morons that did everything they could to BRING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE with public "foot stamping" - the same people that pushed for game changes for the betterment of their own alliances. A MINORITY of EVE.
CSM 6 is corrupt, biased and downright dangerous for THE GAME.
WE DO NOT want a repeat.
CONSIDER random surveys from random players ad hoc to draw opinions/direction.
>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM So what you're saying is that you're running?
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
901
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:03:00 -
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kill forum alts CCP The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1283
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:05:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=886 Quote:There were 49,096 votes cast by eligible voters (i.e. older than 30 days and thus able to vote), amassing a turnout of 14.25% - once again a record turnout. Of the total votes cast, 659 voters (1.34%) chose to abstain. This abstain % is far lower than previous elections, indicating that players had a better idea of who they wished to vote for compared to previous elections. 14.25% turnout. The winners received a total 27,580 votes, which means only 56.2% of 14.25% voted for them. Ergo, the CSM represents 8% of the player base. *shrug*
They represent 56% of the player base who cared by your logic. More importantly, you lose an election, you lose. That's how it works.
Also, not voting is a valid voting option. Always has been. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1274
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:07:00 -
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Dear met worst;
No one gives a crap what a shitposting crybaby alt poster thinks. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Mr M
Agony Unleashed
86
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:08:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:How don't the majority of the playerbase know they exist? Every election it seems like there's a billion banners saying "make yourself heard in the CSM election!" and "take a moment to cast your vote" on the login screen. It's sad but they can't read. That's why I will work against adult illiteracy if I get elected to CSM.
Vote Mr M 2012!
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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
19
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:21:00 -
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I live exclusively in empire these days, because I love ******* trading and love even more ganking other empire faggits for profit and just to gank them coz they are like npcs, buzzing around being useless diks full of ******** perceptions and ideas.
As an empire dweller I'd ******* rather have 0.0 based csm than some dipshit that thinks eve is all about pve and that he's buying from and selling to NPCs through the market and everyone that does anything slightly competitive is a griefer. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
372
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:23:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:How don't the majority of the playerbase know they exist? Every election it seems like there's a billion banners saying "make yourself heard in the CSM election!" and "take a moment to cast your vote" on the login screen. If you don't vote in the CSM election, it's either your fault for being ignorant to all of it, or you're just content with things how they are and don't care to vote. Either way; the majority of the playerbase which actually gives a damn is represented.
Quoted for truth, thanks Roosterton.
It's a shame about the apathy many Highsec dwellers have regarding the CSM and voting. Sad but true. If you're not prepared to spend a few minutes selecting a candidate and voting, stop the b*tching and complaining and crying foul. It's your own fault. Go read the thread regarding the upcoming selection of CSM 7 candidates. Do it, or shut up. Yes, I am currently a Highsec dweller and will vote my chosen candidate, Chribba, if he runs for election. If not, I will choose someone else based on what I know about them from reading posts they have made, ideas and suggestions and other factors.
o/
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1277
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Posted - 2012.01.26 06:35:00 -
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Most high sec scrubs can't even be bothered to learn basic game mechanics or read patch notes. If they don't vote then its all for the best. They don't need a representative when they are casuals that don't even know what is going on half the time. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
baltec1
485
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Posted - 2012.01.26 06:46:00 -
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The current CSM have helped shape two of the best updates ever. My blasters are fixed, gal hulls made better, unplayable big fights fixed, my dear retribution fixed, supercarriers nerfed and so much more.
I want to vote everyone in the current CSM back in for another term. |
AllUrIskRBelongToMeToo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 06:52:00 -
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He does have a point with the possible use of surveys sent to the playerbase. Not everyone is going to vote for a candidate that says they are going to push x,y, and z topics if voted in. We are talking about players in a game, not career politicians whom we can trace their votes back a number of years.
Surveys sent to the player base allows ccp to get information from everyone, not just someone that is attempting to represent a percentage of the eve population. Not everyone is into the forum thing, especially massive official forums where you have people that do nothing but troll all day long.
Combine CCP's decision making with the more obviously vocal power of a CSM with that of individual surveys for everyone. The result should be a much more accurate representation of the direction that people want the game to go in that should be fair to the whole, not just segments of the whole.
of course...some idiot is most likely to troll in the post beneath this one or within 5 posts. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
21
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Posted - 2012.01.26 07:05:00 -
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Disagree with the survey of general population. CSM people are voted in because they at least went through the effort of appearing like they understand eve.
Some random moron filling out a survey, which may even get considered, multiplied by thousands = disaster |
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