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Kessiaan
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Posted - 2007.11.04 01:58:00 -
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I think the fundamental problem is that some pirates don't seem to understand that all of their 'targets' are going to do their absolute best to avoid them. Skilled pirates understand this and keep moving. Unskilled pirates / piebears sit in the same system and wonder where all their target sare. ----- My in Eve Profile |
Morfane
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2007.11.04 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: Morfane on 04/11/2007 02:09:51
Originally by: Sainna
Taking a long shot here but...
...getting rid of pirates/griefers may be a good step.
Uhh... do you realize that pirates make the galaxy go round?
/emote adds Brotherhood of the Spider to "the list"
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Wolf 10
Purgers
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Posted - 2007.11.04 02:13:00 -
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Why is everyone so damn rude to CCP. They made the F***ing game! You wouldn't be playing at all if it wasn't for them. If you don't like something they do then just say like a normal person.
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Morfane
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2007.11.04 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Morfane on 04/11/2007 02:14:56
Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr
A)They should help me with my scanning skill's. They need to make PVP more of an option in EvE. They need to make .1 - .4 automatically into pvp zone's aka , WoW terf. I don't find targets on a constant basis CCP plz replI kTHNXBAI FISCED
Noob much? Optional combat ala WoW would decimate this game into the annals of history.
EDIT: Im pretty drunk, and if this was sarcastic, then it was funny.
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William DeMeo
Gallente the united
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Posted - 2007.11.04 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Some of us like the small engagements
I had to stop reading there so I could wipe the tears of laughter out of my eyes.
You and your massive gatecamps in Rancer with mothership / carrier / dread support create as much lag as a 0.0 fleet engagement.
small engagements. HAAAAAhaaahaaaa.
This thread hasn't been flaming you, its been scoffing at the idea that you're playing the pirate with wounded pride who can't find honorable fights, blah blah. You've been told repeatedly in here. Move on. Find another lowsec system.
EVE CONSISTS OF MORE THAN JUST RANCER. I promise.
Who the hell are you? I recognize your name and your smack but I can't quite put my finger on it. Yarr |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.11.04 23:44:00 -
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listening to what eris said at fanfest (no i didnt get to go, some guy posted a recording ) ccp hates the carebears
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.05 03:55:00 -
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^^
WHat he said. Also breaking the page spam.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.11.05 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax ^^
WHat he said. Also breaking the page spam.
speaking of 3-4 word repiles that dont add anything to the thread :-"
(if we take the "WHat he said." as the content and "Also breaking the page spam." as nonsense spam, i count 3 words)
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Ja'kar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.11.05 09:18:00 -
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HERE IS LITTLE TO NO POINT FOR CORPS TO LIVE IN LOW SEC. Most will find a small niche in 0.0 and even pay rent to make way more isk in 0.0 then in low sec. There are not even good missions to bring people to low sec. Capitals move alliance goods more often then freighters these days and now with capital ORE ships, you will see even less miner/haulers in low sec.t
what he said - think this would be a better boost to low sec than most - very needed
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Arekhon
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.11.05 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Curzon Dax ^^
WHat he said. Also breaking the page spam.
speaking of 3-4 word repiles that dont add anything to the thread :-"
(if we take the "WHat he said." as the content and "Also breaking the page spam." as nonsense spam, i count 3 words)
"Where are you guys going in your battleships?" "We are going to camp in Amamake; kill 500 carebears and 1 NPC" "Why are you gonna kill an NPC?" "See, nobody cares about the carebears!" [BEES] |
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Exlegion
Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.05 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton listening to what eris said at fanfest (no i didnt get to go, some guy posted a recording ) ccp hates the carebears
Could you post a link or explain what was said? Thanks in advance.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru |
Ulstan
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.05 17:09:00 -
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Quote: Enough to keep me shooting all day is enough.
And how many would that be? Numbers people, numbers. How many ships totaly do you typically blow up in a day? (Counting all ships, not just the ones you think are 'worth' it.) How many would you *like* to blow up?
Most pirates have wildly inflated ideas of the numbers of targets they should be getting per day, to the extent that in order to satisfy the urges of the 5% of the population that is pirates, the entire rest of EVE's population would have to lose a ship per day to them :p The idea that you can become a pirate and have an endless stream of targets to mow down all day is just absurd: if that were ever to happen, it would mean being a pirate was far far too easy.
A pirate's life is *supposed* to be hard, it's *supposed* to be difficult earning income. It's supposed to be the most challenging least rewarding 'career' in the game. It's supposed to take creativity and innovation and involve a lot of risks.
Long term gate camping with caps in low sec is not piracy, so don't complain if it's not fun and/or profitable enough. Obviously people will avoid your system as much as possible.
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William DeMeo
Gallente the united
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Posted - 2007.11.05 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Quote: Enough to keep me shooting all day is enough.
And how many would that be? Numbers people, numbers. How many ships totaly do you typically blow up in a day? (Counting all ships, not just the ones you think are 'worth' it.) How many would you *like* to blow up?
Most pirates have wildly inflated ideas of the numbers of targets they should be getting per day, to the extent that in order to satisfy the urges of the 5% of the population that is pirates, the entire rest of EVE's population would have to lose a ship per day to them :p The idea that you can become a pirate and have an endless stream of targets to mow down all day is just absurd: if that were ever to happen, it would mean being a pirate was far far too easy.
A pirate's life is *supposed* to be hard, it's *supposed* to be difficult earning income. It's supposed to be the most challenging least rewarding 'career' in the game. It's supposed to take creativity and innovation and involve a lot of risks.
Long term gate camping with caps in low sec is not piracy, so don't complain if it's not fun and/or profitable enough. Obviously people will avoid your system as much as possible.
Yes I want an endless stream of kills please.
Yarr |
Ja'kar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.11.05 20:36:00 -
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A pirate's life is *supposed* to be hard, it's *supposed* to be difficult earning income. It's supposed to be the most challenging least rewarding 'career' in the game. It's supposed to take creativity and innovation and involve a lot of risks.
yes and pirates come with new ideas and ways of getting targets and what happened nerf, nerf, nerf, WT0 and cargo and be jumped across space by capital ship where is the traffic?
lets have haulers moving items through low sec and stuff in low sec that ppl want so there can be more targets!!!
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Mik kyo
Gr0und Zer0
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Posted - 2007.11.08 16:39:00 -
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I'm looking forward to the cargo carrier nerf, hopefully we will see more convoys heading for 0.0 :) And I disagree Curzon, with rewards in low sec being significantly greater we will see more corporations trying to control space and fighting against piracy.
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Thann Starlinbow
Minmatar Dark Star LTD Atrocitas
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Posted - 2007.11.08 16:45:00 -
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its me, i r teh ccp that iz hating teh pirates in da op.
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
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William DeMeo
Gallente the united
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Posted - 2007.11.08 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mik kyo I'm looking forward to the cargo carrier nerf, hopefully we will see more convoys heading for 0.0 :) And I disagree Curzon, with rewards in low sec being significantly greater we will see more corporations trying to control space and fighting against piracy.
Well it'll just be replaced by the new T2 freighters tbh. Yarr |
Ulstan
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.08 17:05:00 -
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Quote: yes and pirates come with new ideas and ways of getting targets and what happened nerf, nerf, nerf, WT0 and cargo and be jumped across space by capital ship where is the traffic?
lets have haulers moving items through low sec and stuff in low sec that ppl want so there can be more targets!!!
You guys have it backwards. Haulers will avoid systems pirates are in. No intelligent player is going to load up their hauler with juicy items and head through low sec, because there are tons of pirates in low sec perpetually camping the gates.
The only way for there to be more targets is for there to be less piracy. As low sec becomes 'safer' there will be more targets. As it becomes 'less safe' the number of targets will decrease. This will be true independent of whatever CCP does. If the highest profits involve going through unsafe low sec space, players will simply settle for less profitable, but safer endeavors.
There are far, far, far more pirates active now than there were 3 years ago. Then you could happily rat all day in low sec empire space and hardly ever need to warp out from a pirate. You could make 20 jumps without seeing a pirate at a gate camp.
Now you see about 50-60-70 ships killed in any low sec zone bordering empire space, and if you do more than 5 jumps in low sec you're just about guaranteed to run into a gate camp, often with 10-12 people. Ergo, pirating has gotten far too easy and far too widespread.
People react to this (sensibly) by staying the hell away from low sec.
Seriously, if you blob camp the same gate in low sec day after day, you have *no business* complaining that you get no traffic. DUH. Of course not. If you want to be a succesful pirate you have to roam around and strike where you're not expected. Having your 'usual gate camp' is the complete antithesis of this.
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DeckardIRL
The Randoms THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.11.08 17:10:00 -
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Have to say low sec is broken. Was having an EveO smackfest with a Gooner last thursday night... something about him being drunk... as I was drunk and it was a Goon I couldn't resist.
Anyhow you will notice if you find the thread in CAOD I think.. that I disappear from the thread... this is due to me passing out... however, at the time I was in my fully T2 fitted Mega with a full set of +4's in my head. I was roaming Placid for piewats to kill and was coming up empty.
At the time of my passing out I was sitting on the Stacmon gate in Ostingele. When I woke up 6 hours later I was still there unscathed!!!!
Heheheeee I laughed and quickly docked.. and went back to sleep..
Deck
Whiskey For CAOD at its best |
William DeMeo
Gallente the united
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Posted - 2007.11.08 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: DeckardIRL Have to say low sec is broken. Was having an EveO smackfest with a Gooner last thursday night... something about him being drunk... as I was drunk and it was a Goon I couldn't resist.
Anyhow you will notice if you find the thread in CAOD I think.. that I disappear from the thread... this is due to me passing out... however, at the time I was in my fully T2 fitted Mega with a full set of +4's in my head. I was roaming Placid for piewats to kill and was coming up empty.
At the time of my passing out I was sitting on the Stacmon gate in Ostingele. When I woke up 6 hours later I was still there unscathed!!!!
Heheheeee I laughed and quickly docked.. and went back to sleep..
Deck
See? when jita gets overcrowded teleport people to random lowsec systems! Yarr |
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Thann Starlinbow
Minmatar Dark Star LTD Atrocitas
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Posted - 2007.11.08 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: DeckardIRL Have to say low sec is broken. Was having an EveO smackfest with a Gooner last thursday night... something about him being drunk... as I was drunk and it was a Goon I couldn't resist.
Anyhow you will notice if you find the thread in CAOD I think.. that I disappear from the thread... this is due to me passing out... however, at the time I was in my fully T2 fitted Mega with a full set of +4's in my head. I was roaming Placid for piewats to kill and was coming up empty.
At the time of my passing out I was sitting on the Stacmon gate in Ostingele. When I woke up 6 hours later I was still there unscathed!!!!
Heheheeee I laughed and quickly docked.. and went back to sleep..
Deck
I saw you there. We thought you were AFK but didn't think anyone would have left a mega sitting afk on that particular gate.
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.11.08 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: DeckardIRL Have to say low sec is broken. Was having an EveO smackfest with a Gooner last thursday night... something about him being drunk... as I was drunk and it was a Goon I couldn't resist.
Anyhow you will notice if you find the thread in CAOD I think.. that I disappear from the thread... this is due to me passing out... however, at the time I was in my fully T2 fitted Mega with a full set of +4's in my head. I was roaming Placid for piewats to kill and was coming up empty.
At the time of my passing out I was sitting on the Stacmon gate in Ostingele. When I woke up 6 hours later I was still there unscathed!!!!
Heheheeee I laughed and quickly docked.. and went back to sleep..
Deck
See even in his drunken state deckard is a genious! he knew no one dare touch him on that particular gate, and therefore his (probably tech one worst named) blaster mega survived! genious!
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Ja'kar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2007.11.08 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/11/2007 23:39:14 Ulstan
Not sure how long u been in game m8 - but back in the day pirate camps were just as hard if not harder and we did not have the tools/knowledge to get by them.
I miss the old days - but the truth of the matter is piracy is not killin low sec. There are many reasons why low sec is crap and pirates are not the only reason or the major reason.
I can tell you this if any other player style got hit as much as pirates (missioning for example) there would be a much bigger stink.
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Vrabac
Amarr BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2007.11.08 23:57:00 -
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From my 1 year low sec experience, these kinds of people can be found in low sec today:
1) Pirates/PvPers of some other kind - same actually. They are after the same thing you are and are more often than not either in packs or in some vaga/rapier/eos/myrmidon/whatever pwnmobile (this is my way of screaming "I'm Amarr" ) 2) X day old members of noob corps in shield tanked Omens armed with small railguns that somehow every time manage to fit explosion dampening fields in Blood/Sansha areas 3) Macro haulers - uncountable legions of zombies going around carrying crappy mission items
There is, speaking in a simplified way, no one else. Why? Because no one with a clue will go to low sec other than get some pvp (which is gettin elisive because of lack of people). What is there to do other than fight? Mine Jaspet. lol Kill 50k bounty rats. lol Die. lol
In other words, all those people who dont want pvp and know this will stay out. Yes, OF COURSE you will catch a raven in belt here and there, e-bay does wonders in combination with stupidity or ignorance. And yes haulers simply have no choice but to travel through it. But, and I wasnt around that long, back in the day I started out belts were crowded in comparison to this. Buddy and I were roaming around with Kestrel and Punisher and owning everyone. Now its all gates gates gates... beh.
P.S. Sorry if someone else said this, ranting took over and I couldnt stop.
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Deusz
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: DeckardIRL Anyhow you will notice if you find the thread in CAOD I think.. that I disappear from the thread... this is due to me passing out... however, at the time I was in my fully T2 fitted Mega with a full set of +4's in my head. I was roaming Placid for piewats to kill and was coming up empty.
At the time of my passing out I was sitting on the Stacmon gate in Ostingele. When I woke up 6 hours later I was still there unscathed!!!!
Heheheeee I laughed and quickly docked.. and went back to sleep..
Deck
Conclusive proof that the cure to low-sec being pants, is for CCP to provide us all with free beers :D
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Xela Dioved
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Posted - 2007.11.09 04:35:00 -
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The solution plot of this system is a circle graphed with relation to the population of Rabbits(carebears) and Foxes(pirates) over time, with the center located at the equilibrium points (df/,br/). It is a circle because as the number of rabbits increases, the number of foxes increase, but then there are too many foxes, so the rabbit population decreases. As the rabbit population decreases, more foxes start to die, and both populations go down. After enough foxes have perished, the rabbits regenerates, and the cycle repeats.
So.. Kill some Pirates or make more carebears = more targets.
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Praxis1452
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Posted - 2007.11.09 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: Vrabac From my 1 year low sec experience, these kinds of people can be found in low sec today:
1) Pirates/PvPers of some other kind - same actually. They are after the same thing you are and are more often than not either in packs or in some vaga/rapier/eos/myrmidon/whatever pwnmobile (this is my way of screaming "I'm Amarr" ) 2) X day old members of noob corps in shield tanked Omens armed with small railguns that somehow every time manage to fit explosion dampening fields in Blood/Sansha areas 3) Macro haulers - uncountable legions of zombies going around carrying crappy mission items
There is, speaking in a simplified way, no one else. Why? Because no one with a clue will go to low sec other than get some pvp (which is gettin elisive because of lack of people). What is there to do other than fight? Mine Jaspet. lol Kill 50k bounty rats. lol Die. lol
In other words, all those people who dont want pvp and know this will stay out. Yes, OF COURSE you will catch a raven in belt here and there, e-bay does wonders in combination with stupidity or ignorance. And yes haulers simply have no choice but to travel through it. But, and I wasnt around that long, back in the day I started out belts were crowded in comparison to this. Buddy and I were roaming around with Kestrel and Punisher and owning everyone. Now its all gates gates gates... beh.
P.S. Sorry if someone else said this, ranting took over and I couldnt stop.
The only decent kills are mission runners.
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Mr Bodacious
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.11.09 07:51:00 -
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90% of pirates in EVE aren't pirates. They drink red bull and sit on ventrilo with their other friends, all the while *****ing "your mom" and fart jokes while waiting for a solitary hauler or mission runner to pop through the gate they are camping.
While this is seriously stupid, it is not entirely due to their lack of ability to accomplish anything but a basic gate camp. Low sec space has NO REASON for mission runners/haulers/miners to be anywhere but docked or at a gate, flying to the next one.
Therefore, you only see gate camps... because thats the only place there is pvp to be had. Course, you'll find an oddball in a belt every now and then but if you bust em up once, guaranteed nobody will be coming back a second time.
I can sometimes fly around solo for an entire day and not find a single target off a gate.. Its really sad. Needs some new life breathed into low sec.
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William DeMeo
Gallente the united
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Posted - 2007.11.09 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Bodacious 90% of pirates in EVE aren't pirates. They drink red bull and sit on ventrilo with their other friends, all the while *****ing "your mom" and fart jokes while waiting for a solitary hauler or mission runner to pop through the gate they are camping.
While this is seriously stupid, it is not entirely due to their lack of ability to accomplish anything but a basic gate camp. Low sec space has NO REASON for mission runners/haulers/miners to be anywhere but docked or at a gate, flying to the next one.
Therefore, you only see gate camps... because thats the only place there is pvp to be had. Course, you'll find an oddball in a belt every now and then but if you bust em up once, guaranteed nobody will be coming back a second time.
I can sometimes fly around solo for an entire day and not find a single target off a gate.. Its really sad. Needs some new life breathed into low sec.
Wtf is wrong with social behavior on the internetz? And yes, making lowsec more profitable to attract shiny targets is EXACTLY what this thread is all about.
And by the way, if you don't like gatecamping because there's no challenge, then where's the challenge in probing down mission runners? Or in killing miners? Or going around in commandship gangs of 10 blowing up 1 or 2 noob battlecruisers in belts? It's all the same, so be a little less judging mkay. Yarr |
Ulstan
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.09 17:37:00 -
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Quote: Not sure how long u been in game m8 - but back in the day pirate camps were just as hard if not harder and we did not have the tools/knowledge to get by them
I started playing over 3 years ago, but I've taken loooong breaks.
I used to be in a pirate corp, and we would gate camp, lock people up (with uber overpowered sensor dampeners and webbers) and hold them for ransom. Good fun. It was a lot harder to get by gate camps then, unless you fitted multiple mwd's or had all the right bookmarks.
And yet, there were far far fewer pirates out there. Most of low sec was 'safe' you could rat in the belts quite happily. That's what I did when we weren't doing stuff together as a corp.
Now a days, low sec is crawling with pirates.
Quote: The only decent kills are mission runners.
I've come to the conclusion that you'd have to be insane to mission in low sec. Or do anything there, really, when there are gangs of 8 pirates camping the gates. Your expensive mission running raven or w/e is compeltely useless in pvp and could probably be taken out with ease by a solo pirate, let alone a gang of them. Then your 2 billion faction fitted ship just went up in smoke.
Do you have any idea how dramatically they'd have to boost the low sec rewards to make that risk worth it in most peoples minds? Folks would have to be raking in about 250 million per mission in low sec to seriously tempt them to take their stuff out there.
I've tried doing missions in low sec, because the agents and rewards are slightly better. Had many close run ins/narrow escapes/immediate warpouts with pirates and times where I just couldn't do something because the system was full of pirates. That cuts seriously into your productivity time.
Eventually I jumped into a system just as a whole pirate gang jmped in (only 1 kill in the system in the last hour, bad timing!) and they fried my ship. I looked at what I'd lost, about 6 million (caracal with dirt cheap fittings mostly, would have been more if they'd killed the pod, as they nearly did), and decided I'd have to be making about a million per mission in low sec to make it worth it to me in terms of risk vs reward, given how frequently pirates showed up. That'd be boosting the rewards by a factor of about 10.
In a way, the completely binary nature of pirating combined with the tremendous value of most expensive mission running ships is making it really hard to balance. You either don't see a pirate at all, or they vaporize your 2 billion isk CNR. It's incredibly difficult to make the rewards enough so that people are willing to risk losing the 2 billion ship, but not make them so high so that people who are lucky enough to not see a pirate in an entire day of missioning don't make a killing.
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