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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:14:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:12:26
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: Rockbox I can see it now, wolf packs surrounding and cutting alliances off logistically
do you even know the name of the people fueling your poses?
Yeah his name is Greg why?
He's going to commit suicide
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:15:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:12:26
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: Rockbox I can see it now, wolf packs surrounding and cutting alliances off logistically
do you even know the name of the people fueling your poses?
Yeah his name is Greg why?
go ask him what he thinks of this.
You don't even need wolf packs to cut supply lines with these changes.
The supply lines ARE cut, jesus.
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Rockbox
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:15:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:15:23
Originally by: Dramaticus
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:12:26
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: Rockbox I can see it now, wolf packs surrounding and cutting alliances off logistically
do you even know the name of the people fueling your poses?
Yeah his name is Greg why?
He's going to commit suicide
lol it's not one guy u twit
Oh stop whining and train freighter V signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) |
Jiks
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:16:00 -
[64]
Umm.
In the earlier OMG they are nerfing carrier logistics threads the few who thought that was a good idea were saying to use freighters. Now this, making jump bridges a no-no and normal space routes 3+ times more time consuming ... even in empire as far as I can tell.
Same questions as before from me - how will this help anyone? How does this improve the game? Plus, CCP, have you totally lost your collective minds?
Jiks
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Santa Anna
Caldari Blackguard Brigade Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:16:00 -
[65]
I'm guessing this is an attempt to force alliances to mine ice/ore from their own regions to support their industry, rather than jumping all their fuel and supplies in from empire.
Maybe there will be uber ice along with uber veldspar when they boost 0.0 mining. _____ CPU Love |
Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:17:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:15:23
Originally by: Dramaticus
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:12:26
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: Rockbox I can see it now, wolf packs surrounding and cutting alliances off logistically
do you even know the name of the people fueling your poses?
Yeah his name is Greg why?
He's going to commit suicide
lol it's not one guy u twit
Oh stop whining and train freighter V
sorry, my bad.
nice troll i guess
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:18:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:15:23
Originally by: Dramaticus
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:12:26
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: Rockbox I can see it now, wolf packs surrounding and cutting alliances off logistically
do you even know the name of the people fueling your poses?
Yeah his name is Greg why?
He's going to commit suicide
lol it's not one guy u twit
Oh stop whining and train freighter V
Sorry I forgot that being around people who can hold space is new for you.
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Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:18:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Fenderson
Originally by: Maxim Powers Edited by: Maxim Powers on 01/11/2007 21:40:11
Originally by: Fenderson gee, i wonder if a certain alliance is staging another mass-posting?
stfu goons
16 post in an hour, this forum can't take the load!
lol i love how 4/5 of the replies are goons and you try to deny it.
obviously if they are going to introduce jump freighters this is a totally logical nerf. whether you think jump freighters are too expensive is subjective. i would say that they should be really expensive since they can easily station tank and never be voulnerable.
Subjective? Since when are costs of between 3 and 6 billion and build times of 1-2 months 'subjectively' acceptable?
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:18:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Santa Anna I'm guessing this is an attempt to force alliances to mine ice/ore from their own regions to support their industry, rather than jumping all their fuel and supplies in from empire.
Maybe there will be uber ice along with uber veldspar when they boost 0.0 mining.
Can't mine uranium, mechanical parts or any of the other npc seeded crap.
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Sammiel
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:19:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Santa Anna I'm guessing this is an attempt to force alliances to mine ice/ore from their own regions to support their industry, rather than jumping all their fuel and supplies in from empire.
Maybe there will be uber ice along with uber veldspar when they boost 0.0 mining.
Where exactly are all the NPC goods used in POSes going to come from? The POS faeries that reside in 0.0?
DEATHLEY > why dont u remain silent like prominent alliances like our band of brothers do |
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Rockbox
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:20:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Dramaticus
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:15:23
Originally by: Dramaticus
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:12:26
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: Rockbox I can see it now, wolf packs surrounding and cutting alliances off logistically
do you even know the name of the people fueling your poses?
Yeah his name is Greg why?
He's going to commit suicide
lol it's not one guy u twit
Oh stop whining and train freighter V
Sorry I forgot that being around people who can hold space is new for you.
Hey at least im not strokin an epeen.
Tbh the sky is not falling, adapt or die. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) |
Krontos
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:23:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:15:23
Originally by: Dramaticus
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:12:26
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: Rockbox I can see it now, wolf packs surrounding and cutting alliances off logistically
do you even know the name of the people fueling your poses?
Yeah his name is Greg why?
He's going to commit suicide
lol it's not one guy u twit
Oh stop whining and train freighter V
Ok think about this: EVE just became a lot more time consuming and boring for these guys. Also a lot of your POS's are going to go offline while your logistics guys train Freighter V. Oh and freighter BPCs take a month to make so the supply of Tech 2 freighters will be VERY limited, hope your alliance is lucky enough to buy one. Even assuming they're all lucky enough, they still have to spend more time jumping the same amount since Jump Freighters have half the range of a carrier so the trip will take twice as many jumps.
Of course this is assuming that they all have the dedication to make their jobs as logistics guys even more time-consuming that they already are. Some of them think 1 job is enough and will stop being logistics guys or cancel their subscriptions.
Now tell me about how this improves the game. Ok go!
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Santa Anna
Caldari Blackguard Brigade Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:23:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Dramaticus
Originally by: Santa Anna I'm guessing this is an attempt to force alliances to mine ice/ore from their own regions to support their industry, rather than jumping all their fuel and supplies in from empire.
Maybe there will be uber ice along with uber veldspar when they boost 0.0 mining.
Can't mine uranium, mechanical parts or any of the other npc seeded crap.
Yeah. I'm of the opinion that crap should be dropped from the game entirely or, at the very least, BPO's should be seeded. What % by volume do these make up, anyway? If you mine for fuel locally you may be able to cover the npc stuff with jump bridge-aided itty 5's and a similar number of total runs.
(Mining would still be a ridiculous chore on top of the already painful task of pos maintenance) _____ CPU Love |
Tevlent
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:24:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Tevlent on 01/11/2007 22:25:22
Originally by: Rockbox Hey at least im not strokin an epeen.
Tbh the sky is not falling, adapt or die.
Okay, this isn't COAD..we don't need to be trolling here. I think I can say this with confidence that all 0.0 alliances will be greatly affected by this freighter nerf and trying to deny it will not solve anything.
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Rockbox
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:25:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:26:20
Originally by: Krontos
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:15:23
Originally by: Dramaticus
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:12:26
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: Rockbox I can see it now, wolf packs surrounding and cutting alliances off logistically
do you even know the name of the people fueling your poses?
Yeah his name is Greg why?
He's going to commit suicide
lol it's not one guy u twit
Oh stop whining and train freighter V
Ok think about this: EVE just became a lot more time consuming and boring for these guys. Also a lot of your POS's are going to go offline while your logistics guys train Freighter V. Oh and freighter BPCs take a month to make so the supply of Tech 2 freighters will be VERY limited, hope your alliance is lucky enough to buy one. Even assuming they're all lucky enough, they still have to spend more time jumping the same amount since Jump Freighters have half the range of a carrier so the trip will take twice as many jumps.
Of course this is assuming that they all have the dedication to make their jobs as logistics guys even more time-consuming that they already are. Some of them think 1 job is enough and will stop being logistics guys or cancel their subscriptions.
Now tell me about how this improves the game. Ok go!
Thin out your POS network. Grassroots skirmishing might be drifting into style, most wont remember it but it pwned. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) |
Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:26:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Rockbox
Originally by: Dramaticus
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:15:23
Originally by: Dramaticus
Originally by: Rockbox Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:12:26
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: Rockbox I can see it now, wolf packs surrounding and cutting alliances off logistically
do you even know the name of the people fueling your poses?
Yeah his name is Greg why?
He's going to commit suicide
lol it's not one guy u twit
Oh stop whining and train freighter V
Sorry I forgot that being around people who can hold space is new for you.
Hey at least im not strokin an epeen.
Tbh the sky is not falling, adapt or die.
I think it's understandable that you're like this.
Your side didn't use to control space, you nailed down some victories, you think you're a lean mean fighting machine. It's true too.
However, you need to realize that fueling space is a huge timesink, and you need to thank your logistics crew every day when you wake up. And this will just make them want to cry. And when your logistics crew is unhappy, you can be sure that you'll be very unhappy soon.
Finally, once something goes live, it takes 6 months for it change
Given all the above, I hope you can undertand where everyone here is coming from.
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Tek'a Rain
Gallente Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:27:00 -
[77]
worrying part is that ccp has not arrived to assure us (without actually making any statements) that its not a planned change. they will mention crystal balls, etc.
but why would there be any change in this stat if they were not even Considering such an epic nerf?
a plan to worry people, then make them grateful when frieghters are only made 9.9 times more massive?
this isnt a goony issue, its a playability issue and enjoyability issue.
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Sammiel
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:27:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Tevlent
Originally by: Rockbox Hey at least im not strokin an epeen.
Tbh the sky is not falling, adapt or die.
Okay, this isn't COAD..we don't need to be trolling here. I think I can say this with confidence that all 0.0 alliances will be greatly affected by this.
Not to mention adapt or die is an even more trite and worthless come back than anything the goons could dream up. Seriously, CCP looks poised to add a series of changes that make what is already the most tedious and boring part of the game far far worse. Its a dumb change and people are rightly calling for it to be revoked. If CCP suddenly got a hard on for removing all battleships and T2 mods would you suddenly just be like 'welp, guess I better adapt or die'? I would guess not.
DEATHLEY > why dont u remain silent like prominent alliances like our band of brothers do |
Lostshadow
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:28:00 -
[79]
They may be nerfing freighters badly, but as some kind of joke they have now increased the warp speed from 0.6 to 0.7 au/sec. We may have to warp 3 or 4 times to cross some systems, but at least when we're not accelerating into warp or dropping out of warp we're moving ever so slightly faster. Somehow it doesn't make up for the nerfing though...
I think CCP must be 5 months ahead of the rest of the world because this definately seems like an April fools joke!
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Rockbox
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:29:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Rockbox on 01/11/2007 22:30:15
Originally by: Swamp Ziro I think it's understandable that you're like this.
Your side didn't use to control space, you nailed down some victories, you think you're a lean mean fighting machine. It's true too.
However, you need to realize that fueling space is a huge timesink, and you need to thank your logistics crew every day when you wake up. And this will just make them want to cry. And when your logistics crew is unhappy, you can be sure that you'll be very unhappy soon.
Finally, once something goes live, it takes 6 months for it change
Given all the above, I hope you can undertand where everyone here is coming from.
Thanks for the first non offensive reply, I sympathize with large space holders a bit, but with no aims to become part of one I am very biased toward the change.
the rest of the goons dont make a very solid and persuasive case when the whole argument is rife with F.U. because u dont agree. (ie props t u) im going to break the pyrimid because it wa getting out of hand signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) |
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Bu Jinkan
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:30:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 01/11/2007 22:29:56 how about we just go back to the bad old days of fueling 5 regions with Iteron Vs right after downtime?
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Vanye Inovske
Two Brothers Mining Corp. Friend or Enemy
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:32:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Lostshadow They may be nerfing freighters badly, but as some kind of joke they have now increased the warp speed from 0.6 to 0.7 au/sec. We may have to warp 3 or 4 times to cross some systems, but at least when we're not accelerating into warp or dropping out of warp we're moving ever so slightly faster. Somehow it doesn't make up for the nerfing though...
I think CCP must be 5 months ahead of the rest of the world because this definately seems like an April fools joke!
It's always been 0.7 AU/s
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:32:00 -
[83]
Seriously you have just ruined 0.0 logistics and made living in 0.0 an even bigger pain in the arse than it was, you bang on about wanting more and more people to inhabit 0.0 yet make it more and more boring and difficult to do it.
I really wonder why you are trying to kill your own game, you are planning on stopping mom/carriers from hualing stuff, freighters can no longer use jump bridges, titan's can now no longer be used to jump bridge freighters.
You are not only ruining jumps bridges but once again nerfing titans and almost making them worthless, I seriously suggest you wake up and start firing the people that keep coming up with these stupid ideas thats that no one wants.
The CCP of today is clearly nothing like the CCP of 2/3 years ago, I like alot of other people are starting to think if its even worth subscribing to this game anymore
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infinityshok
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:34:00 -
[84]
The POS network cant be thinned out. CCCP is the one that decided to create POS warfare the way it is now. From anchoring, to fueling, to unanchoring, to maintaining they are one giant time sink. As many have already said, the care and feeding of POSs are a second job. This is a game...not a chore. They are needlessly creating hardship in 0.0 logistics and making no comments anywhere as to why they find this acceptable.
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Tevlent
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:35:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Seriously you have just ruined 0.0 logistics and made living in 0.0 an even bigger pain in the arse than it was, you bang on about wanting more and more people to inhabit 0.0 yet make it more and more boring and difficult to do it.
I really wonder why you are trying to kill your own game, you are planning on stopping mom/carriers from hualing stuff, freighters can no longer use jump bridges, titan's can now no longer be used to jump bridge freighters.
You are not only ruining jumps bridges but once again nerfing titans and almost making them worthless, I seriously suggest you wake up and start firing the people that keep coming up with these stupid ideas thats that no one wants.
The CCP of today is clearly nothing like the CCP of 2/3 years ago, I like alot of other people are starting to think if its even worth subscribing to this game anymore
Exactly. It isn't like most carrier pilots will see combat 24/7, a lot of carrier pilots in GS do empire runs and help resupply our markets in their spare time with their multi-billion isk ships. The nerf CCP would put in would basically grind 0.0 alliances to a halt.
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Krontos
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:35:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Krontos on 01/11/2007 22:38:29
Originally by: Rockbox
Thin out your POS network. Grassroots skirmishing might be drifting into style, most wont remember it but it pwned.
No I really do get where you're coming from. You're hoping that this will make it be like the 'old days', but not really. Thinning out POS networks just increases the chance of spam occuring. Sure, it'll take 3 or 4 times as long, but if you think that's gonna stop the hardcore you're wrong. You're handing the agressor a mechanic where all they have to do is invest time and they pretty much have a garuanteed win in hand. The only counter is for you to invest even more time than they do to have 51 percent coverage or at least enough to ward off someone spamming you.
And if that is CCP's goal they're going about it in an awfully ham-fisted manner, there are any other number of ways to reduce overall POS coverage. Most of them would be welcomed by POS guys.
So for the record, you feel that logistics should, at minimum, involve twice the amount of time per tower that it does now, because this will improve small skirmish warfare. You are also fine that there will be a 1 to 2 month gap after patch where no one will be able to fuel towers other than freighter convoys (have fun on those, they're a hoot!) or running beaucoup haulers.
I'm all for reducing the number of towers involved, but this isn't the way to do it. Change POS mechanics to require less towers to have a secure hold on a system, reduce moon counts, whatever. Trying to reduce numbers of tower by making it too much work to bother running them is fairly nonsensical.
Editing to make this less combative because it really wasn't that appropriate.
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Karina Bellac
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:35:00 -
[87]
A withdrawl now makes perfect sense. |
Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:36:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Martin VanBuren on 01/11/2007 22:38:22
Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 01/11/2007 22:29:56 how about we just go back to the bad old days of fueling 5 regions with Iteron Vs right after downtime?
Yeah dude npc 0.0 warfare for teh win
Once more, saying "Good I hate logistics anyway" is not valid criticism when we're talking about a logistics nerf. It's like agreeing with the removal of npc rats because you make your money through datacores.
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Stevobob
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:37:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho I like alot of other people are starting to think if its even worth subscribing to this game anymore
QFT
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infinityshok
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:38:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho I seriously suggest you wake up and start firing the people that keep coming up with these stupid ideas thats that no one wants.
signed
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