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Asith
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Posted - 2007.11.01 21:38:00 -
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Yet again ferrofluid prices are at a loss Material prices are now 24 k per hour and the output is only 22k per hour
The people on the market really need to sort this out otherwise people will have to stop maikng ferrofluid which means no ferrogel and no reactors so no T2 ships
If dysprosium prices dont go down soon (been rising constantly recently) and ferrofluid prices remain this low. This will be the end of T2 ships or T2 ships will become stupidly expensive again
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E3 Sentry
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Posted - 2007.11.01 21:39:00 -
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Im afraid this is a real problem at the moment with ferrofluid the price is justy too low to the manfuaturing costs it really needs sorting out asap
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kalath1032
Caldari Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2007.11.01 21:40:00 -
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Stop complaining i have an alt making ferrogel and its making a tonne opf profit due to low ferrofluid prices just change the reaction and leave it
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Afreeq
Minmatar Freeqs of EVE
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Posted - 2007.11.01 21:46:00 -
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If youre losing money, stop making it. The more people who lose money making it will cease to make it, the demand will eventually increase and the prices will rise. It isnt uncommon for an influx of a material to hit the market throwing things out of whack until its sold out of. -Afreeq CEO [FREEQ] |
Asith
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Posted - 2007.11.01 21:48:00 -
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yea i may have to change soon ill give it another week or so if no change i will change to a complex reaction
Also why not create a seconds POS material hub instead of jita being the only hub why not have another in hek or rens where we can restart the POS market with more snesible prices
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Hardigeen
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Hardigeen on 01/11/2007 22:12:23 Its the price of Dysprosium causing it. I've been monitoring the price for some time now, someone is artificialy gouging due to the low supply. So both Ferrofluid and Dysporite are not worth reacting at this price levels.
Dysprosium price
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Asith
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:14:00 -
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i see well i think i may change to a different reaction if dysprosium is too high
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Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.11.02 00:14:00 -
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Dude, this probably is your like 7th thread about this. Welcome to the EvE Market!
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Dingus Maxiumus
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Posted - 2007.11.02 18:35:00 -
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Not worth reacting? What are you guys doing buying the materials?
Price is through the roof. Rent a moon.
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order. United Connection's
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Posted - 2007.11.02 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hardigeen Edited by: Hardigeen on 01/11/2007 22:12:23 Its the price of Dysprosium causing it. I've been monitoring the price for some time now, someone is artificialy gouging due to the low supply.
There is low supply because there are so few moons producing it... (and no new moons being created) and no doubt there are people fighting over them and disrupting production... which cause less product to be put on the market driving prices up.
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pandymen
Caldari Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.11.03 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: pandymen on 03/11/2007 11:35:34 FYI, you aren't going to be automatically making money by buying the moon materials and reacting them. There are enough people that actually make stuff from start to finish that they are not restricted by this constraint and sometimes just want isk. They aren't affected by recent price fluctuations.
Maybe they want to force people that just buy the mins and react out of business to drive the price through the roof in the future.
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Halkin
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.03 11:36:00 -
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i work hard for mah money, hard for mah moneee, and i just cant get enough
Originally by: Mr Bodacious I have trained Advanced Supercapital Mastery Specialization to 5. I can fly a tech 7 faction advanced supercapital which now deploys a team of chinese players instead
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Tewdric
Sheba Industries INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.11.04 02:19:00 -
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I am too affected by this problem, I mine 8 out of 9 moon minerals to make Ferrogel, and Dysprosium is the only one i need to buy and with prices at 24k a unit i'm now only making half of what i was usually making before prices went up through the roof, i would love to find somone who's willing to sell me a regular order at a decent price :(
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.04 02:58:00 -
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just stop selling until demand rises. then cash in. Its a free market so prices will drop while people keep selling it dirt cheap.
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Hardigeen
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Posted - 2007.11.06 23:29:00 -
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Get ready guys, coz price of Dysprosium is about to skyrocket again...Enjoy.
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Moral Destiny
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Posted - 2007.11.07 02:29:00 -
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Whats a "fair" price for Dysporiusm?
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.11.07 04:05:00 -
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So sell your products at a higher price?
Yeah, there's ferrofluid selling at 22k. And yeah, you'll make a loss if you sell at that price. So sell at higher.
Because remember, it's the Dysprosium market being manipulated. Whoever is selling at 22k is cutting a massive loss there. It's not sustainable. Price hike will trickle up the production line, there'll be an overall increase in prices but everyone will continue to turn over a profit.
Just because ferrofluid has been X isk in the past doesn't mean that can't change. As someone said, "player-driven" market. As a T2 component manufacturer, I don't sell my components for less than they're worth when something like Ferrogel spikes because they *normally* sell for less.
Improve Market Competition!
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Hardigeen
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Posted - 2007.11.07 04:27:00 -
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Edited by: Hardigeen on 07/11/2007 04:34:34 Edited by: Hardigeen on 07/11/2007 04:29:29 Not really. The way tech 2 producers should deal with this is stop buying Dysprosium and stop building anything with it. Demand will go down and price will crash and people that are manipulating Dysprosium market will lose money and move to other stuff. Producing and selling at higher price will keep the price up, generating huge profits for the market manipulators and take out of the producers pockets.
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Hardigeen
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Posted - 2007.11.07 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Hardigeen on 07/11/2007 04:43:32
Originally by: Moral Destiny Whats a "fair" price for Dysporiusm?
The "fair" price for Dysprosium should be close to the price of Promethium. Both are used in the same quantities and percentages in tech 2 production and both have the same rarity of 64.
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Karanth
Gallente Crazy 88's
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Posted - 2007.11.07 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hardigeen Edited by: Hardigeen on 01/11/2007 22:12:23 Its the price of Dysprosium causing it. I've been monitoring the price for some time now, someone is artificialy gouging due to the low supply. So both Ferrofluid and Dysporite are not worth reacting at this price levels.
Dysprosium price
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Anini
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2007.11.07 05:44:00 -
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This is me trying to figure out the T2 market....
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.11.07 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hardigeen Not really. The way tech 2 producers should deal with this is stop buying Dysprosium and stop building anything with it. Demand will go down and price will crash and people that are manipulating Dysprosium market will lose money and move to other stuff. Producing and selling at higher price will keep the price up, generating huge profits for the market manipulators and take out of the producers pockets.
You know, just replace "Dysprosium" with "wheat", replace "T2 components" with "flour" and "T2 producers" with "bread makers"... and realise just how STUPID you sound. Just because YOU think you can't make a profit even at these prices doesn't mean somebody else CAN'T or WON'T.
So yeah, please, stop buying Dysprosium and stop selling stuff with Dysprosium in it. _
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Hardigeen
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:59:00 -
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As expected, the price just doubled up, from 24k to about 45k. Lets see what is that going to do to the price of Ferrogel and Fermionics.
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Stirling Finloth
Minmatar Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hardigeen As expected, the price just doubled up, from 24k to about 45k. Lets see what is that going to do to the price of Ferrogel and Fermionics.
Ferrogel will increase to around 13k as a standard to offset the costs. No big thing to the POS runners, but I pity whoever has to buy T2 off the market.
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Hardigeen
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Stirling Finloth
Originally by: Hardigeen As expected, the price just doubled up, from 24k to about 45k. Lets see what is that going to do to the price of Ferrogel and Fermionics.
Ferrogel will increase to around 13k as a standard to offset the costs. No big thing to the POS runners, but I pity whoever has to buy T2 off the market.
In about a day or two, speculative buying will be over and manipulator(s) will start selling again. Supply will increase and price should drop to the old high (about 25K per unit) but will not go lower then that. The price of Ferrogel did not change to follow this pattern so far, lets see if it will in the future.
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Moral Destiny
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Posted - 2007.11.08 05:29:00 -
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There is 10,100 Dysposium in Adacyne V - Moon 8 for 22k a unit... compaired to 45k its at now is a bargin
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.11.08 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Asith Also why not create a seconds POS material hub instead of jita being the only hub why not have another in hek or rens where we can restart the POS market with more snesible prices
Do this in Gelfiven and I will lick your ear.
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Asith
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Posted - 2007.11.08 19:44:00 -
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Yea dysprosium prices are way too high atm 35k a peice thats 5k loos not including hafnium and fuel costs
Ferrofluid prices need to rise to at least 22k and peice instead of 15k
OR CCP need to add more dysprosium moons to meet the increased demand
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kalath1032
Caldari Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2007.11.08 20:55:00 -
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Yea im keeping an eye on this topic still
I personally think the market will stabilize you just have to be patient
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Hardigeen
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Posted - 2007.11.08 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Hardigeen on 08/11/2007 21:20:36 Here you go. Character named Miss Aurora just unloaded 300K of Dysprosium worth more then 10 bil ISK at 35K per unit. Don't buy any, let it sit until the price goes back to the fair value. Again, supply is fine, at least its not worst then the supply of Promethium. Its the market manipulations causing the price to be so unstable.
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