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Blue Rider
Thanos and Killjoy Productions Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.02 16:41:00 -
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ItĘs probably too late for any such suggestion to be considered before the patch (assuming it hasnĘt already been suggestedą)
Instead of a lopsided nerf to some drone boats, what if a uniform method was used for all ships.
Tech1 class: Frigate = 25mbit max + optional primary drone bonus* Cruiser = 75mbit max + optional primary drone bonus* Battlecruiser = 95mbit max + optional primary drone bonus* Battleship = 125mbit max + optional primary drone bonus*
Tech2 class (if drone specialized): Frigate = 25mbit max + secondary drone bonus* Cruiser = 75mbit max + secondary drone bonus* Battlecruiser = 95mbit max + secondary drone bonus* Battleship = 125mbit max + secondary drone bonus*
*Drone bonus options: 1. 10% additional dmg output 2. 10% additional ew/logistic 3. 10% additional speed + tracking 4. 10% additional range 5. 10% additional hp
This means that the class (frigate, cruiser, etc.) will not have an advantage to the size of drone but to the same size drone's performance. The size class of the ship should determine the bandwitdh, not the tech class. The way Tech2 will have the edge will be with their resists and additional bonus to specialization (ew, dmg output, speed, etc.) + secondary drone bonus (or combination of drone bonuses??).
The optional drone bonus is for drone boats (ex. Vexor, Myrmidon, Arbitrator), non-drone boats (ex. Drake, Raven, Thorax) would not receive the optional drone bonus
The secondary drone bonus applies to the Tech2 version drone boats. (ex. Ishtar, Eos, Curse)
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Blue Rider
Thanos and Killjoy Productions Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.08 22:03:00 -
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Affected ships
Myrmidon 95mbit 10%/level drone hitpoint & dmg dealt
Change: Subtract 30mbit
Ishtar 75mbit 50% drone hitpoint & dmg dealt 5% drone speed + tracking & 2% drone dmg dealt/level
Change: Remove range and bay bonus. Add drone speed (+ coinciding tracking & falloff) and dmg dealt.
All other mbit remain the same on all other ships.
Ogre II: 1.92x * (24/2) = 23.04/s Myrmidon max bonus Ogre II: 1.92 * (24/2) * 1.50 = 34.56/s Ishtar max bonus Ogre II: 1.92 * (24/2) * 1.50 * 1.10 = 38.016/s Hammerhead II: 1.92 * (12/2) = 11.52/s Myrmidon max bonus Hammerhead II: 1.92 * (12/2) * 1.50 = 17.28/s Ishtar max bonus Hammerhead II: 1.92 * (12/2) * 1.50 * 1.10 = 19.008/s Hobgoblin II: 1.92x * (7.5/2) = 7.2/s Ishtar max bonus Hobgoblin II: 1.92 * (7.5/2) * 1.50 * 1.10 = 11.88/s
Myrmidon 95mbit 5x Hammerhead II (50mbit) 86.4/s or 3x Ogre II (75mbit) + 2x Hammerhead II (20mbit), total 95mbit 103.68/s + 34.56/s = 138.24/s
Ishtar 75mbit 5x Hammerhead II (50mbit) 95.04/s Or 2x Ogre II (50mbit) + 2x Hammerhead II (20mbit) + 1x Hobgoblin II (5mbit), total 75mbit 76.032/s + 38.016/s + 11.88/s = 125.98/s
As seen with my hopefully correct calculations, the damage will be close between the two ships. The IshtarĘs advantage will be the speed the ship and its drones, making the ship much more versatile and increasing the survivability of the drones.
Reason: If there is going to be a drone change, it needs to follow the same logic across the board. If the size class of the ship determines a nerf for the Myrmidon the same should apply to the Ishtar. Looking at all of the other ships I found no inconsistencies in drone bay size. I do not know all of the potential changes on the test server.
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Blue Rider
Thanos and Killjoy Productions Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.08 22:31:00 -
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I'm off of work now, I'll add Eos suggested changes later.
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Viper ShizzIe
Applied Eugenics Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.11.08 22:35:00 -
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Did you lose a bet or do you really just fail life?
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Haargoth Agamar
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.08 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Viper ****zIe Did you lose a bet or do you really just fail life?
Pretty much this.
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Kehmor
Caldari PAK
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Posted - 2007.11.08 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Haargoth Agamar
Originally by: Viper ****zIe Did you lose a bet or do you really just fail life?
Pretty much this.
/signed
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.08 22:46:00 -
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I used to wonder why KOS sucks so bad , now i dont wonder any more.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.11.08 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel I used to wonder why KOS sucks so bad , now i dont wonder any more.
I've known of this for some time now. I guess they're going mainstream with their suckage.
Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I |
Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.08 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Haargoth Agamar
Originally by: Viper ****zIe Did you lose a bet or do you really just fail life?
Pretty much this.
/signed
I was told to post here. -----
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AirWalker
Amarr Galactic Response Team
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Posted - 2007.11.08 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Haargoth Agamar
Originally by: Viper ****zIe Did you lose a bet or do you really just fail life?
Pretty much this.
/signed
/signed
and viper is secksi
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Kyle Sucks
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Posted - 2007.11.08 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Haargoth Agamar
Originally by: Viper ****zIe Did you lose a bet or do you really just fail life?
Pretty much this.
/signed
I was told to post here.
can i have your babies? with those proposals i might aswell. THE WORLD WILL END!
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Daelorn
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.08 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Haargoth Agamar
Originally by: Viper ****zIe Did you lose a bet or do you really just fail life?
Pretty much this.
/signed
I was told to post here.
You have been kicked from the channel by Daelorn
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Blue Rider
Thanos and Killjoy Productions Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.09 00:46:00 -
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I don't mind disagreement but it'd be nice if someone would actually post an argument.
Is it not sensible, if there is going to be any drone nerfage going on, that it be consistent according to hull class? I'm offering compensation for nerfage instead of letting it just be a straight nerf as it is being proposed on the test server so far. Or are all of you just Ishtar pilots?
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Eve University
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 09/11/2007 01:22:20 Because even an Ishtar doing an extra 10% drone damage with mediums would be hard to justify over a Vexor that costs about 18% of the base (NOT MARKET - 21m base vs 100+m market) price, can field the same level of drones, and has more turret slots? Or a Myrmidon that fields even more drones, has more guns and slots, and still costs less? (And I'm not even bringing up the Vexor Navy Issue, which has 5 bonused turret slots and retains 100 mbit bandwidth ;) ...)
Especially since speed nerfs are being looked at, doing so would destroy the Ishtar's niche much more than the original Myrmidon did.
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Viper ShizzIe
Applied Eugenics Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Rider I don't mind disagreement but it'd be nice if someone would actually post an argument.
Is it not sensible, if there is going to be any drone nerfage going on, that it be consistent according to hull class? I'm offering compensation for nerfage instead of letting it just be a straight nerf as it is being proposed on the test server so far. Or are all of you just Ishtar pilots?
I'd rather just ****post tbh.
The way CCP is doing it is perfectly fine with me, although the Eos could use 5 heavies.
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Blue Rider
Thanos and Killjoy Productions Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:33:00 -
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Hey, I just threw out a drone bonus and wanted to see suggested improvements on the idea. Give the ishtar 5 or 10% 2nd additional dmg/lvl. I don't care.
My problem is with the apparent hypocracy of people complaining heavy drones are a bs class weapon and want it to be unusable by a bc but are just fine with it staying on a (h)cs. The last thing I want is more actual nerfage to any ship. But since nerf is on it's way regardless, I am making an attempt to request whatever logic is being used in that nerfing, that it be used across the board.
I'd just like to see 'a logic' applied consistently.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Eve University
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Rider Hey, I just threw out a drone bonus and wanted to see suggested improvements on the idea. Give the ishtar 5 or 10% 2nd additional dmg/lvl. I don't care.
My problem is with the apparent hypocracy of people complaining heavy drones are a bs class weapon and want it to be unusable by a bc but are just fine with it staying on a (h)cs. The last thing I want is more actual nerfage to any ship. But since nerf is on it's way regardless, I am making an attempt to request whatever logic is being used in that nerfing, that it be used across the board.
I'd just like to see 'a logic' applied consistently.
This is CCP, get used to logic not applying :p
In all seriousness though, the heavy dronage is the main thing the Ishtar has going for it. They can't really get rid of it without rendering the ship utter crap next to its Cruiser and now BC counterparts. And besides, drone size != ship size :D
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