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Peanut Swsh Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:54:00 - [31] Edited by: Peanut Swsh on 02/11/2007 22:57:08 Law of diminishing returns. Originally by: SATAN Bottom line is these ships are supposed to be immune to all forms of EW and scrambling anywhere in EvE. Says who? you?
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2007.11.02 23:09:00 - [32] Not to belittle the angst of all the officer smarty toting mom pilots out there over this change, but I'd think a bigger issue, if these heavy dictors really can do their stuff in lowsec, is what it will mean for low-sec piwat gate camps and trying to get by them. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Bailian Moxtain Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.11.02 23:10:00 - [33] Originally by: Corwain Originally by: SATAN If they dont have their bonus then what is the point of flying a MoM over a carrier? 2x the damage 2x the HP Better scan res, targetting Still can't be dampened, jammed, or webbed 5x the size of the hanger array ~2 more slots Awesome looking ship models What more could you want? Oh, that's right. Invincibility. there u all got ure answer. If u got a mom these days, u can sit all day long in low-sec camping gates or pwn'ing whatever u want to. The guy who got killed in low-sec was terrible stupid, RIP. The moms at the gates scares all the noobies when it comes to flying in low-sec. *- made in Norway -*
William DeMeo Gallente the united	Posted - 2007.11.02 23:20:00 - [34] Originally by: Corwain The price tag is closer to 10bil if you're not getting ripped off by the 0.0 landholding alliances. Megathron=100mil, Vindicator=1bil, you get a MWD bonus and an extra mid 1bil/100mil=10 Carrier=1bil, Mothership 10bil, you get OMGWTFLOTS of extra bonuses and LOTS of extra slots. 10bil/1bil=10 I fail to see the problem here. You got to abuse game mechanics long enough, now the fix is coming. Quit wining, 10bil doesn't buy you a never die card. wtb mom for 10b. Yarr
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:16:00 - [35] The fix is pretty damn simple imo, capital sized scramblers and 2/3 warp strength on titans and motherships. Makes the aggressors commit relatively expensive ships in order to hold the super caps down. [Balance] The Caldari problem.
Icarus Starkiller Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:45:00 - [36] Carriers are fine, but upcoming changes will render them pointless (drones & logistics capability). Moms & Titans are perfect, especially with the freighter changes. Now, all we need to do is fix the idiot smartbombers in lowsec, and that's simple: Sentry guns should interdict to a range of 200km. Get inside that and your only out is warping. Sit outside that range and you can snipe & deploy fighters to your heart's content, so they are still viable, requiring a good group to engage one. Though I admit... fighters should cost 1/10th their current value and have 100% larger sig radius. That would make loosing a few inconvenient but not wallet busting, but make them a little more killable by the poor nuub that's been swarmed by 15-20 of them. - Life is pain...anyone who says differently is selling something.
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.03 02:57:00 - [37] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Acoco Osiris That heavy interdictor looks pretty damn vulnerable to me. Sure, it's got some good tank on it, but it's pinned just as surely as the mothership/Titan, and it can't be remote repped. Any supercap pilot worth his salt will call in his support to BBQ that heavy interdictor. Not true, You can remote rep them all negative effects are removed from the activated module with the script. Not to mention that a MoM or Especialy Titan wont be able to do enough damage to the thing because of speed tanking to get it off its back, and it can scrable outside of Neut range. Have you actually looked at the dev blog? They were pretty specific, heavy 'dictors will be very slow, unable to warp, and unaffected by remote support while using their bubble. Sure, they've got a pretty nasty tank (might actually be able to tank a carrier), but support will fairly quickly BBQ these immobile targets. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.11.03 03:04:00 - [38] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 02/11/2007 19:25:29 at antisupercap whiners. Yes supercaps in lowsec are easy mode and require counter. In 0.0, supercap is like "kill me" written over 15+ bil piece that can't tank any better than ghetto t2 fitted dread or 2 carriers remote repping each other (<- sell ms, buy another char, 2 carriers and pay gtcs for 2 years and you still have some isk left) And even bigger lawl at people going GAGAGAGA about support fleet... it's like you bring it out when you know you can't lose it or something? A 2 month old pilot in a Celestis can make one of your carriers worthless. A year old pilot in an Arazu can make BOTH of them worthless. He can't do that to a mothership.
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 05:14:00 - [39] Super capitals should have no business in lowsec anyway. A way to scramble them and keep them from messing around in lowsec was long overdue. Forsch Defender of the empire
Barton Toc PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.11.03 06:21:00 - [40] Edited by: Barton Toc on 03/11/2007 06:22:32 In my mind CCP dont want 1 man fleets - and that was a supercap befor this patch - only a huge mistake could kill them. The new MS nerf is more problematic 15bil ship with crap the defence abilities is nonsens PS: Mineral price for a Nyx is about 13.5bil logistical nightmare + 16 freighter runs only for the minerals + 26 freighter runs to get the components to the POS 4 weeks POS fuel 200mil (time to build) + system with sov + the capability to defend the POS ----------------------------------------- So I doubt any1 will sell you the ship under 20bil
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.03 06:41:00 - [41] Originally by: Xequecal Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 02/11/2007 19:25:29 at antisupercap whiners. Yes supercaps in lowsec are easy mode and require counter. In 0.0, supercap is like "kill me" written over 15+ bil piece that can't tank any better than ghetto t2 fitted dread or 2 carriers remote repping each other (<- sell ms, buy another char, 2 carriers and pay gtcs for 2 years and you still have some isk left) And even bigger lawl at people going GAGAGAGA about support fleet... it's like you bring it out when you know you can't lose it or something? A 2 month old pilot in a Celestis can make one of your carriers worthless. A year old pilot in an Arazu can make BOTH of them worthless. He can't do that to a mothership. I guess there's something wrong with celestis, not carriers Oh but since it's capitals you eventually have some support! Oh wait...
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.11.03 07:08:00 - [42] Originally by: Peanut Swsh Edited by: Peanut Swsh on 02/11/2007 22:57:08 Law of diminishing returns. Originally by: SATAN Bottom line is these ships are supposed to be immune to all forms of EW and scrambling anywhere in EvE. Says who? you? I understand what he's getting at, though obviously CCP is the one that sets the rules, previous ship roles, uses and descriptions notwithstanding. A rarish but quite expensive ship, lots of training, with an expensive setup can be negated by a soon-to-common heavy cruiser. I share the underlying frustration aimed at CCP when it mucks about with people's time spent doing all the things needed for a particular ship class. I don't fly capital ships, but I do fly a lot of Gallente drone boats, was finishing up training for the Eos, and am watching bemusedly as my damps, tds and drone boats are being violenced vociferously. Justifiable or not, the significant changes all represent a chunk of my RL money being squandered (via time lost training for stuff of now questionable value). I'm not surprised he's disgruntled. __________________________________________________ Originally by: Rells This place is sewer. Full of people that use internet anonymity to do things that would earn them two knocked out teeth in real life.
Bardi MecAuldnis Amarr Heretic Army	Posted - 2007.11.03 07:30:00 - [43] Originally by: SATAN Unless you plan on having something that can HIT a cruiser going 4-5k sec, with a very big tank for a cruiser or happen to have EW support ALWAYS following your super cap around your points are obviously clueless. Have you even looked at the Heavy Interdictors? They can't be remote repped while deploying their scramming field, their ABs and MWDs become trophies (i.e. don't fricking work), and their sig balloons up. They have a really good tank, for a CRUISER. Kill the fricking Heavy Interdictor. --- Amarr/Caldari, and proud of it. Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!!
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.03 08:27:00 - [44] Originally by: Xequecal Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 02/11/2007 19:25:29 at antisupercap whiners. Yes supercaps in lowsec are easy mode and require counter. In 0.0, supercap is like "kill me" written over 15+ bil piece that can't tank any better than ghetto t2 fitted dread or 2 carriers remote repping each other (<- sell ms, buy another char, 2 carriers and pay gtcs for 2 years and you still have some isk left) And even bigger lawl at people going GAGAGAGA about support fleet... it's like you bring it out when you know you can't lose it or something? A 2 month old pilot in a Celestis can make one of your carriers worthless. A year old pilot in an Arazu can make BOTH of them worthless. He can't do that to a mothership. Have you read the changes? If not i suggest you do because now they cannot anymore. A Lachesis can render a carrier useless but that`s about it. 2 carriers - not if they got the brains to bring a sensor booster.
jeikam VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 12:32:00 - [45] Originally by: welsh wizard The fix is pretty damn simple imo, capital sized scramblers and 2/3 warp strength on titans and motherships. Makes the aggressors commit relatively expensive ships in order to hold the super caps down. what this man says. Make gate turrets jump scramble aggressed supercaps in Empire as well. Easy fix that doesnt require the total nerfing of Carriers and Motherships, affecting 1000's of players who use their ships in a more reasonable, considerate manner. Originally by: SATAN What is the point? Why would anyone in their right mind use MoM's at ALL? Well they wont. Mine is permanently logged now... I doubt I'll use it till they un-nerf Motherships. I've never for a second had the intention of being a low-sec griefer, but sod being a glorified logistics cruiser. 35billion hard earned ISK down the toilet.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.03 15:32:00 - [46] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: SATAN To CCP Motherships and Titans are supposed to be immune to all forms of EW and scrambling, this is what separates them from your run of the mill carrier and give them the 30, 40, 50+ billion price tag with load outs. This has shown to be acceptable by the EvE community, since most realize that when you spend that kind of isk on a ship you SHOULD have some benefits associated with the price. A few months pass by and suddenly someone at CCP decides that warp scrambling in 0.0 should be allowed with the aid of dictor spheres. And suddenly the very expensive MoM becomes a slightly better carrier because of more damage dealt. These ships start dying and dying a lot to everyone every where, hell people even killed one in low sec which according to the forum warriors is not possible. Now CCP decides that MoM and Titans are just too damn good, at what I am not sure but apparently they are. Which means that any MoM or Titan can be warp scrambled in LOW SEC, by a cruiser sized ship. Not a dictor bubble, but a warp disruptor from a heavy dictor. What is the point? Why would anyone in their right mind use MoM's at ALL? I just don't get it. So they make it to MoMs can be scrambled by bubbles and that leads to a MoM death in lowsec. Epic logic fail. So they can be warp scrambled, oh noes. Try just killing a weak cruiser or ecming it? Wow you can warp again... It's weird how much of the "flaws" in CCP's thinking narrow down to a lack of player skill and/or understanding. Do you think before you write? Or are you just handicapped that way? Unless you plan on having something that can HIT a cruiser going 4-5k sec, with a very big tank for a cruiser or happen to have EW support ALWAYS following your super cap around your points are obviously clueless. Far as my lack of skill or understanding goes, I most likely have more kills and been involved in more fights than you and all your friends combined. So please put that thing you call an e peen back in your pants cause it really is very small and insignificant. Bottom line is these ships are supposed to be immune to all forms of EW and scrambling anywhere in EvE. Now they are not, perhaps soon CCP will make a special module that any 2 month old noob can fit that jams and capital ship just to make the transformation complete. I was gonna type a decent post, but i just have one question. How can a 'expirienced' person like you be so clueless and be capable of adapting to eve for this long? Youre entire post is just 1 big lie. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.03 15:45:00 - [47] While I do not support the whole idea of supercaps, I still must agree with OP.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.03 15:50:00 - [48] Originally by: Neena Valdi While I do not support the whole idea of supercaps, I still must agree with OP. To have the right to fly your supercap solo? The OP was simply bad informed. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.03 15:58:00 - [49] Originally by: madaluap Originally by: Neena Valdi While I do not support the whole idea of supercaps, I still must agree with OP. To have the right to fly your supercap solo? No, you already can't fly it completely solo. Introducing the scrambler that is able to scram supercapitals was completely unnecessary. Originally by: madaluap The OP was simply bad informed. Bad informed on which part?
FOFOFOF CRAPSTORM	Posted - 2007.11.03 16:18:00 - [50] Edited by: FOFOFOF on 03/11/2007 16:18:07 you lost your solopwnmobile HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH now try and use one of its other bonuses like: 99% reduction in CPU need for Clone Vat Bay 99% reduction in CPU need for Warfare Link modules 99% reduction in CPU need for Projected Electronic Counter Measures modules 99% reduction in CPU need for Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration modules Can fit 1 additional Warfare Link module per level wait wait, they are actualy only useful in fleet? damn, but where do i put my e-peen?
The Anointed Caldari Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.11.03 16:33:00 - [51] I dont know why they didnt just introduce a capital sized scram, with high pg needs so that only caps or a bs that makes a sacrifice to fit it will be able to run it. Surely that would have been the easiest response to it, because it allows them to be scrambled, but not by small throwaway ships.
The Anointed Caldari Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.11.03 16:35:00 - [52] Originally by: welsh wizard The fix is pretty damn simple imo, capital sized scramblers and 2/3 warp strength on titans and motherships. Makes the aggressors commit relatively expensive ships in order to hold the super caps down. Quoting this cause I didnt read it and then posted the same idea.
KD.Fluffy The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.03 16:39:00 - [53] this nerf was needed. this quote is funny: Quote: Far as my lack of skill or understanding goes, I most likely have more kills and been involved in more fights than you and all your friends combined. So please put that thing you call an e peen back in your pants cause it really is very small and insignificant. Bottom line is these ships are supposed to be immune to all forms of EW and scrambling anywhere in EvE. Now they are not, perhaps soon CCP will make a special module that any 2 month old noob can fit that jams and capital ship just to make the transformation complete. and he accuses others of having an e-peen lol! All I can say is isk should not buy you invulnerability. I don't fly MS and most likely never will, but I would still like to be able to kill that choad that camps the same gate every day with smart bombs in easy mode lol. Boost The Eagle!
Xurx Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.03 16:40:00 - [54] They dont blow up often enough to be honest...
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.03 16:41:00 - [55] Originally by: Neena Valdi Originally by: madaluap Originally by: Neena Valdi While I do not support the whole idea of supercaps, I still must agree with OP. To have the right to fly your supercap solo? No, you already can't fly it completely solo. Introducing the scrambler that is able to scram supercapitals was completely unnecessary. Originally by: madaluap The OP was simply bad informed. Bad informed on which part? Nah you cannot fly it completely solo, you need a cyno alt... IMO a solo MS is a MS with maybe a 10 person supportgang. Thats solo for a MS in my book, because killing 10 people support is very easy if you are capable of killing that MS. It should just as other vessels be capable of being stopped from leaving just under more strict conditions considering its price. If a MS was the last ship alive from a enemy gang than people must be capable of taking it down. The ship is still worth it, hopefully a lot of people will disagree with me and prices will drop. This is what he posted: - Motherships and Titans are supposed to be immune to all forms of EW and scrambling Says who? Things change... - Spending a lot of isk should gain me benefits These ships have many advantages over carriers. Better stats and special bonusses. Just cause 1 aspect got nerfed doesnt change all the other features and advantages MS have. - Killing a MS in lowsec is possible Yeh, i have read about people being able to survive a fall from the 8e floor, very likely? no. He based it on: - Unless you plan on hitting a cruiser No support, he fails right away. - A cruiser going 4-5 km/s He did not read the stats of the module, 100% lie - Big tank for a cruiser Yeh for a cruiser, your MS or only your support can kill that ship very easily, if you have a MS worthy gang. - Maybe introduce a mod that 2 month old noob can use to jam supercaps (boohoo boohoo) Heavydictors are not 2 months training time. Even if people made a character dedicated to purely this cause, it would be much longer. To get into one of these hactordictors you need to take a long trainingpath for a not so awesome and usefull ship. So he shouldnt act like he is teh uber SP man and 'expirienced' person, he is simply looking from his own very biased I-WIN view. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.03 17:11:00 - [56] Originally by: madaluap - Killing a MS in lowsec is possible Yeh, i have read about people being able to survive a fall from the 8e floor, very likely? no. M.Pire lost mothership in a lowsec not so long ago. So its not easy, but entirely possible.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.03 17:16:00 - [57] Originally by: Neena Valdi Originally by: madaluap - Killing a MS in lowsec is possible Yeh, i have read about people being able to survive a fall from the 8e floor, very likely? no. M.Pire lost mothership in a lowsec not so long ago. So its not easy, but entirely possible. Very likely? Yep, thats my point. Its very simply, he comes to forum and whines about a ship & module and doesnt have a clue how the mechanics of this ship & module work. Is that bad informed, yes it is. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
gordon cain Minmatar x13	Posted - 2007.11.03 22:07:00 - [58] Originally by: FOFOFOF Edited by: FOFOFOF on 03/11/2007 16:18:07 you lost your solopwnmobile HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH now try and use one of its other bonuses like: 99% reduction in CPU need for Clone Vat Bay 99% reduction in CPU need for Warfare Link modules 99% reduction in CPU need for Projected Electronic Counter Measures modules 99% reduction in CPU need for Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration modules Can fit 1 additional Warfare Link module per level wait wait, they are actualy only useful in fleet? damn, but where do i put my e-peen? I can see you have never been in a mom. Clone Vats when activated makes you sit still for some minutes like siege mode. Warfare modules are still way better on the command ships so why field a 20 bil ship at a POs when you can take a 100mil ship to do the same. Remote ECM, hhmmm. Well dont work at all like it was suppose to. Tactical **** module. Make you sit still in your 20 bil+ expensive ship which gives everyone in the entire region time to come and kill you. Come back when you have been in one plz G "Allways remember. Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience"
Brunswick2 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.03 22:30:00 - [59] Doesn't the supercap scrambling script make the HIC sit completely still? Or did I just imagine that?
Veng3ance Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.11.03 22:31:00 - [60] Edited by: Veng3ance on 03/11/2007 22:31:10 So all those people saying "oh this is a good change, you can easily kill a heavy dictor with a MOM". Did any of you notice the focused warp disruption script takes away the penalties associated with the bubble. Here you go: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/iSnowman/warpscript.jpg So.... how is that not overpowered?

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