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E Vile
Fifth Exiled Legion SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.03 09:15:00 -
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Give the nighthawk some dps love. The other 3 combat command ships totally out dps it. Give it a 7th launcher and change the kinetic dmg to all types like khanids. Just kinetic sucks.
All the command ships are able to tank well. The nighthawks tank is no excuse for it's lack of dps.
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Markus Aurelian
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Posted - 2007.11.03 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: E Vile
All the command ships are able to tank well. The nighthawks tank is no excuse for it's lack of dps.
yes it is.
and it can do decent damage if you fit less of a tank, just like most every other ship in the game Meatwad FTW |
Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.11.03 09:51:00 -
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It has the best range, so it does the least damage. Duh.
Absolution with 6x Heavy Pulse II and Scorch: 331 DPS, 22.5km range.
Nighthawk with 6x HAML II and CN Terror: 359 DPS, 20km range.
Looks pretty balanced to me. The Absolution can do more DPS at close range, and the Nighthawk can load up javelins and shoot a lot further.
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2007.11.03 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: E Vile Give the nighthawk some dps love. The other 3 combat command ships totally out dps it. Give it a 7th launcher and change the kinetic dmg to all types like khanids. Just kinetic sucks.
All the command ships are able to tank well. The nighthawks tank is no excuse for it's lack of dps.
but khanid ships only get the bonus to short range missiles and since long range missiles don't really lose anything when used at short range like long range guns do then it'd be a little too good
p.s. you aint gettin it
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darkmancer
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Posted - 2007.11.03 10:53:00 -
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The nighthawks fine, it's heavy missiles themselves which are a little weak.
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2007.11.03 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: darkmancer The nighthawks fine, it's heavy missiles themselves which are a little weak.
so what you're saying is that the long range missile dosent do enough damage.....
anyone would think they'd use short range missiles to do more damage :)
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Ararius
EP0CH Black Sun Cartel
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Posted - 2007.11.03 11:27:00 -
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I hate to bring around EFT.....
But 6x HML II w/ CN Ammo and 3 BCUs tops out at over 510 dps (with Drones)
With an omi tank setup (with a disruptor), you can run 80%+ res on Kin and them, with EM and Explosive in the mid 70%s 2 SPRs in the lows and 2 extender rigs for uber tankage with the pumping out of major pain.
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Lars Lodar
Caldari Astrodynamic Innovations
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Posted - 2007.11.03 11:29:00 -
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If the nighthawk needs anything, it's more grin and CPU. It's just not very flexible for fitting.
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N Ano
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.11.03 11:32:00 -
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OMG i got rick roll'd New Lame convo from eve coming soon tm |
Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.03 11:41:00 -
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Nighthawk grid is horrible. Try fitting 6x HAM IIs, gang mod, MWD, cap booster and LSB. Now that's a high-end fit, we should certainly expect to have to use a fitting mod, maybe even two?
That fit requires 3 RCU IIs. If you drop down to HM IIs, you still require 2 RCU IIs and a PDS II.
The Nighthawk simply doesn't have the PG to support a gang mod with anything approaching a decent pvp fit.
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Captain Rod
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Posted - 2007.11.03 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: E Vile Give the nighthawk some dps love. The other 3 combat command ships totally out dps it. Give it a 7th launcher and change the kinetic dmg to all types like khanids. Just kinetic sucks.
All the command ships are able to tank well. The nighthawks tank is no excuse for it's lack of dps.
You got to be joking right? A ship with an unbelievable PASSIVE tank let alone active tank. A ship that can just sit there and pile out dps no hassles for ANY damage type you like?
You want more?
Fit more damage mods! Do what everyone else has to do. Balance your dps with tank.
Now that is a cheeky whine mate.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.03 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 03/11/2007 12:04:21 Edited by: Andrue on 03/11/2007 12:03:41 Edited by: Andrue on 03/11/2007 12:03:23
Originally by: E Vile Give the nighthawk some dps love. The other 3 combat command ships totally out dps it. Give it a 7th launcher and change the kinetic dmg to all types like khanids. Just kinetic sucks.
All the command ships are able to tank well. The nighthawks tank is no excuse for it's lack of dps.
Yes it is. The NH tanks better than any other command ship. It tanks on a par with the CNR..maybe even better if you factor in that a semi- or totally- passive tanked NH can run it's tank 23/7.
In any case if stick Navy or faction launchers on it (and all command ships should be flown with such gear to really shine) the damage is plenty good enough for missioning. I think last time I calculated it I was knocking on 300dps with a range of 74km. Factor in the fact the heavies hit all ship sizes useably well and it's fine. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Gabriel Magnar
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Posted - 2007.11.03 12:34:00 -
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No Caldari are already powerful enough as it is.
Stop whining.
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Kunming
The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2007.11.03 13:43:00 -
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A maxed out gank astarte cant kill a maxed out tank nighthawk, and u ask for more DPS for the nighthawk?
Besides if u give up on tank u can deal more DPS, but thats not what u want, right?..
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Kevin Mi7nick
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Posted - 2007.11.03 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming A maxed out gank astarte cant kill a maxed out tank nighthawk, and u ask for more DPS for the nighthawk?
Besides if u give up on tank u can deal more DPS, but thats not what u want, right?..
What!? A maxed out gank astarte will not break a maxed out tank nighthawk.
Proof or stfu.
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Sorja
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.11.03 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue I believe that the NH is a PvE ship. As such I think it's one of the two top mission runners. A CNR can beat it for mission running speed but you have to know what you're doing and pay attention.
I don't know what you're talking about. My nighthawk with close to perfect skills everywhere (lowest skill is command ships IV) comes nowhere close to a CNR, or even a Raven, for missioning, using cruises.
I trained command ships for the Nighthawk thinking it would be better against smaller targets and was disappointed with the DPS. I don't fly it anymore.
For PvP, it's too expensive, a Drake does the job quite fine. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not. |
Gabriel Magnar
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Posted - 2007.11.03 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
I trained command ships for the Nighthawk thinking it would be better against smaller targets and was disappointed with the DPS. I don't fly it anymore.
For PvP, it's too expensive, a Drake does the job quite fine.
So what you are saying is, and what many people are saying is that it is the Drake that needs nerfing.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.03 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Andrue I believe that the NH is a PvE ship. As such I think it's one of the two top mission runners. A CNR can beat it for mission running speed but you have to know what you're doing and pay attention.
I don't know what you're talking about. My nighthawk with close to perfect skills everywhere (lowest skill is command ships IV) comes nowhere close to a CNR, or even a Raven, for missioning, using cruises.
I trained command ships for the Nighthawk thinking it would be better against smaller targets and was disappointed with the DPS. I don't fly it anymore.
For PvP, it's too expensive, a Drake does the job quite fine.
Maybe you should train up comprehension. Read my post again..you obviously failed to read it last time. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.11.03 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Magnar No Caldari are already powerful enough as it is.
WTF? Do you ever PvP, or just NPC all the time? Vs. NPCs the Caldari are great. In PvP, not so much.
Quote: Stop whining.
Stop whining about people whining.
Okay, now that my unconstructive comments are out of the way, here's the constructive stuff: The nighthawk needs two things to be a useful ship, IMO. The first is simple more grid - a lot more grid. Something on the order of 15% (the same as an RCU II). Having to use TWO tech II reactor controls to fit a HAM setup is utter suck. The second item is to give the nighthawk what the Khanid already have: a full damage bonus to its missiles, instead of just kinetic. As has been said many times, the ability to switch damage types is supposed to make up for low DPS, yet on the kinetic-bonused ships this is not the case. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire
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Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2007.11.03 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: darkmancer The nighthawks fine, it's heavy missiles themselves which are a little weak.
Heavy missiles are a long range weapon, you want to do more damage in a nighthawk then you should be asking for more grid to fit HAMs -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity." |
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Fehnrail
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.11.03 23:00:00 -
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Nighthawk's DPS is fine. What it really needs is Drake's PG so it is actually possible to fit a command mod in the last hislot, 5% kinetic changed to 5% all, and sig radius reduction bonus changed to explosion velocity bonus so it has an easier time with faster ships, since that seems to be one of its roles.
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J Valkor
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.11.03 23:05:00 -
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Stop whining. I fly a Nighthawk, it is my baby. Stop whining. You are the same idiots that want to replace the 25% damage bonus with more missile velocity.
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Splash Whale
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.04 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: J Valkor Stop whining. I fly a Nighthawk, it is my baby. Stop whining. You are the same idiots that want to replace the 25% damage bonus with more missile velocity.
He knows best
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Matiaj
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Posted - 2007.11.04 02:53:00 -
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The NH doesn't need more DPS.
What the NH needs is a powergrid buff and a 7/6/4 slot layout.
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Fehnrail
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.11.04 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Matiaj The NH doesn't need more DPS.
What the NH needs is a powergrid buff and a 7/6/4 slot layout.
You leave my lowslots alone.
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Incantare
Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.04 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Incantare on 04/11/2007 03:12:09 The Absolution can fit a 1600mm plate, 6 heavy pulse IIs, an mwd and a gang link with a single ACR.
The Nighthawk should have enough grid for an equivalent fit with HAMs.
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Matiaj
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Posted - 2007.11.04 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: Matiaj on 04/11/2007 03:15:10
Originally by: Fehnrail You leave my lowslots alone.
No, I won't. The 5 lowslots are only good atm because it allows the NH to easily fit a RCU.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.04 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Incantare Edited by: Incantare on 04/11/2007 03:12:09 The Absolution can fit a 1600mm plate, 6 heavy pulse IIs, an mwd and a gang link with a single ACR.
The Nighthawk should have enough grid for an equivalent fit with HAMs.
Actually all HAMs need their powergrid needs reduced.
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Sorja
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.11.04 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Andrue I believe that the NH is a PvE ship. As such I think it's one of the two top mission runners. A CNR can beat it for mission running speed but you have to know what you're doing and pay attention.
I don't know what you're talking about. My nighthawk with close to perfect skills everywhere (lowest skill is command ships IV) comes nowhere close to a CNR, or even a Raven, for missioning, using cruises.
I trained command ships for the Nighthawk thinking it would be better against smaller targets and was disappointed with the DPS. I don't fly it anymore.
For PvP, it's too expensive, a Drake does the job quite fine.
Maybe you should train up comprehension. Read my post again..you obviously failed to read it last time.
Er, Nighthawk doens't come close to Raven, Dominix, CNR and probably other ships I don't fly so won't comment on, and is not better then loads of other ships.
It's in no way amongst the top two missions runners, what was your point again?
About the Drake, it's a fine ship and would be a great ship if resistances were removed for more damage, so Caldari have the long desired 'gank ship', but it seems to be against CCP's philosophy. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not. |
Bardi MecAuldnis
Amarr Heretic Army
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Posted - 2007.11.04 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Incantare Edited by: Incantare on 04/11/2007 03:12:09 The Absolution can fit a 1600mm plate, 6 heavy pulse IIs, an mwd and a gang link with a single ACR.
The Nighthawk should have enough grid for an equivalent fit with HAMs.
Actually all HAMs need their powergrid needs reduced.
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