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Valmoria	Posted - 2007.11.04 18:20:00 - [121] I'm not implying you don't know what you are doing. You've done that yourself. If you knew what you were doing you would already have a regular user account for doing general tasks and would understand the implications of allowing execution as root. Originally by: Drudenhaus Originally by: Valmoria Actually it's a bad idea EVERYWHERE. Imagine if a flaw is discovered in EVE that allows arbitrary execution of code remotely? Say bye-bye to your nicely configured system if you're ever the victim of it. Browsing the web, using irc, all these things are dangerous as root regardless of how experienced you are. This is common knowledge. Originally by: Drudenhaus Originally by: Valmoria Originally by: Drudenhaus Please remove lines 44-47 from .updater/cedegaUpdateChecker and lines 93-96 from /usr/bin/eve or at least give us the option to run as root in the future. Running anything as root, specially a desktop, is a very very exceptionally bad idea. How about you learn to configure your system properly instead of asking CCP to make their client open the doorway for some serious abuse? That's really only true for inexperienced users. Theres nothing wrong with my system configuration. And in 10 minutes I would have my system restored via network imaging. Don't imply that I do not know what I am doing. I have no desire to attach 'sudo' to every command I type or waste time configuring a regular user to do my normal activities (the only exception there is SSH of course).
Drudenhaus Caldari Initrode The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.11.04 18:22:00 - [122] Originally by: Valmoria And don't assume every other user out there is as up-to-speed with their systems as you are. Enabling running as root is a bad idea, regardless of how expert YOU are. Originally by: Drudenhaus Originally by: Valmoria Actually it's a bad idea EVERYWHERE. Imagine if a flaw is discovered in EVE that allows arbitrary execution of code remotely? Say bye-bye to your nicely configured system if you're ever the victim of it. Browsing the web, using irc, all these things are dangerous as root regardless of how experienced you are. This is common knowledge. Originally by: Drudenhaus Originally by: Valmoria Originally by: Drudenhaus Please remove lines 44-47 from .updater/cedegaUpdateChecker and lines 93-96 from /usr/bin/eve or at least give us the option to run as root in the future. Running anything as root, specially a desktop, is a very very exceptionally bad idea. How about you learn to configure your system properly instead of asking CCP to make their client open the doorway for some serious abuse? That's really only true for inexperienced users. Theres nothing wrong with my system configuration. And in 10 minutes I would have my system restored via network imaging. Don't imply that I do not know what I am doing. I have no desire to attach 'sudo' to every command I type or waste time configuring a regular user to do my normal activities (the only exception there is SSH of course). That's entirely subjective... Do you tell people to not run as an administrator in Windows as well?
Valmoria	Posted - 2007.11.04 18:22:00 - [123] anyway, I think you and I are getting a tad off-topic here...
Valmoria	Posted - 2007.11.04 18:23:00 - [124] Edited by: Valmoria on 04/11/2007 18:23:41 No. I tell them not to run windows, period. :) And fyi there is nothing subjective about it at all. it is simply KNOWN FACT that if you run GENERAL DAY-TO-DAY tasks as root, you are a fool and will get pwned before too long. I didn't write the rules, I just understand them. Originally by: Drudenhaus Originally by: Valmoria And don't assume every other user out there is as up-to-speed with their systems as you are. Enabling running as root is a bad idea, regardless of how expert YOU are. Originally by: Drudenhaus Originally by: Valmoria Actually it's a bad idea EVERYWHERE. Imagine if a flaw is discovered in EVE that allows arbitrary execution of code remotely? Say bye-bye to your nicely configured system if you're ever the victim of it. Browsing the web, using irc, all these things are dangerous as root regardless of how experienced you are. This is common knowledge. Originally by: Drudenhaus Originally by: Valmoria Originally by: Drudenhaus Please remove lines 44-47 from .updater/cedegaUpdateChecker and lines 93-96 from /usr/bin/eve or at least give us the option to run as root in the future. Running anything as root, specially a desktop, is a very very exceptionally bad idea. How about you learn to configure your system properly instead of asking CCP to make their client open the doorway for some serious abuse? That's really only true for inexperienced users. Theres nothing wrong with my system configuration. And in 10 minutes I would have my system restored via network imaging. Don't imply that I do not know what I am doing. I have no desire to attach 'sudo' to every command I type or waste time configuring a regular user to do my normal activities (the only exception there is SSH of course). That's entirely subjective... Do you tell people to not run as an administrator in Windows as well?
Kravek Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.11.04 18:27:00 - [125] Edited by: Kravek on 04/11/2007 18:30:41 Anybody have any fix to that black window appearing after splash screen? Anybody with ATI even tried to use that client? <offtopic> Firstly: Valmoria you know how EDIT posts? Secondly: Both of you dont quote entire discussion. </offtopic>
Drudenhaus Caldari Initrode The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.11.04 18:33:00 - [126] Originally by: Kravek Edited by: Kravek on 04/11/2007 18:30:41 Anybody have any fix to that black window appearing after splash screen? Anybody with ATI even tried to use that client? <offtopic> Firstly: Valmoria you know how EDIT posts? Secondly: Both of you dont quote entire discussion. </offtopic> I had fixed it by copying the prefs.ini from my regular cedega/eve install over this new clients prefs.ini and resetting the eula agreement line to =0.
Valmoria	Posted - 2007.11.04 18:35:00 - [127] I do now. And apologies for the excessive quoting. And apologies to Drudenhaus if they were offended by my comments. But I do still think it's a bad idea to open a can of worms that has potential to make 100,000 people's lives hell just to satisfy the preference of 1 person... Anyway I've given my opinion I'll disappear back into the dark now.
Kravek Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.11.04 18:37:00 - [128] Originally by: Drudenhaus I had fixed it by copying the prefs.ini from my regular cedega/eve install over this new clients prefs.ini and resetting the eula agreement line to =0. I tried that already... not working for me. Strangest thing is that black window dont appear always... most of time but i run eve about 2 times successful.. and about 50 times not successful
Carsidava Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:15:00 - [129] Originally by: Valmoria But I do still think it's a bad idea to open a can of worms that has potential to make 100,000 people's lives hell just to satisfy the preference of 1 person... You're not the only one. --
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:45:00 - [130] I got a nice black window as well after installing and running eve. Copied the prefs.ini from my windows install, that gave me a login screen. I flew around a bit, found it to be more responsive then running under windows. The only problem left for me is that the eve window is keeping my mouse and keyboard hostage... Is there some kind of key combo that i'm missing here? -- .sig apathy ftw

Liths Veloc	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:53:00 - [131] This is pretty cool! But, I have a dual-head Mac Pro, and my "primary" display is in portrait mode, 1200x1600. EVE chooses that as its display, and I get a 1024x768 window right in the middle of it... Kind of sucks. Is there any way to configure EVE to use the "secondary" display instead?
Vint Rotach	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:01:00 - [132] I run eve on intel iMac with second display. Eve itself seems fine. Only complaint I've got is the that it only runs in full screen, and blanks the second monitor. Any way to have it run in window'd mode, or leave the second monitor alone when eve is fullscreen on the primary? Vint
Whixy	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:14:00 - [133] I tried the multi-user install. First it wouldn't start up because of permissions on /installdir/.cedegarc and /installdir/.global.delta. I changed those a bit (well, by accident actually). Now I get the splash screen appearing and after that nothing. No debug output to console or anything like that. Some notes: - if you run the installer as root and forgot to set up DISPLAY and such, the script just propagates the Exception instead of catching it. I think this is a common enough problem to catch and do something about - Some more links to information about what is happening would be useful. Is there a page somewhere that describes where (non-eve) crash logs and such go?
InsaneMachine	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:56:00 - [134] Edited by: InsaneMachine on 04/11/2007 20:57:32 I have a problem getting eve to run as well. After the splash screen I just get a black screen. Forgot to mention that I tried to copy the windows config file over, no effect. Any ideas what could be the problem? System info: 64bit Kubuntu 7.10 with compiz-fusion Opteron 152 @ 2.6GHz 7800GT 2GB RAM
Ephiel Gallente Aurora Acclivitous	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:59:00 - [135] Well i just tested the Mac os client on my 24" iMac with Leopard and it works pretty good out side of space. But if i am docked i have the issue that all things i do with mouse like moving windows or cycling the camera tage about 1 sec before it strts. its not laggy or like a 5fps scream where everything stucks - its just reacts way to late. If i reduced resolution from 1920x1200 down to 1280x???? it runs smooth again. same if i deactivate Load Inviroment option. So it seem to be some graphic issue. I Have the Nvidia 7600gt 256MB card and 1GB ram (witch could be a porformence breaker true, but its not the performence its more like the reaction in inputs are coming much to late)
Svengali MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.11.04 21:40:00 - [136] To put eve into windowed mode do Apple-Enter when you're in game. I also had the mouse that was way behind, but only in stations. In space it was fine. Ill be sure to bug that.
J'Mkarr Soban Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 21:43:00 - [137] I'm glad to see the usual beta testing at CCP hasn't changed - instead of focusing help when specifically asked for by a member of the private beta test, they simply open it up to everyone. The first documentation on installation I found in this thread, and even then it's not that helpful. Further, there is no mention that if you do manage to hack it together, it ****s with your existing Cedega install, or at least it did with a previous version. So I can safely say I'm not expecting anything than sub-par lip-service support for OS X and Linux, and I'm not even that keen on trying again to be honest, given that Wine works just as well if not better than Cedega. Come on CCP, I've been with you since beta, will you never learn? ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..."
Adel Sorra Gallente Recruitment and Industrial Center	Posted - 2007.11.04 21:52:00 - [138] my 2 cents: i had the 'only black box and nothing happens'-problem after patching the client, using the prefs.ini file from my existing cedega-install fixed this. the client runs well, stuff like resolution changes in space works know, so well done. fps seems to be the same (30-40), exept when jumping its less than on cedega currently (50 where i get >60 in cedega). but it displays right (wich somtimes it doesn't in cedega). but.. i still hope trasgaming or wine will support future versions of eve.. i have 3 monitors running with xinerama, only being able to play on one in fullscreen makes the official linux client kind of usless to me..
jonfr	Posted - 2007.11.04 22:08:00 - [139] I can run EVE Online good on Gentoo Linux. I only had to do a manual install, since there is no ebuild. EVE Online runs nicely on it, but higher screen resolution makes the game lag a little. I only had one hard crash with the game, but changing the graphic (screen size, color details etc.) details in spaces coses a lockup so bad that the keyboard has locks up and the computer has to be rebooted with the reset button. ---- Sign has been stolen by ugly dwarf from a unknown solar system.
Krest Zoltral Gallente Astromechanica Maxima	Posted - 2007.11.04 22:11:00 - [140] Don't work for me, After the "splash screen" nothing and nothing see the log: Quote: RuntimeWarning: Python C API version mismatch for module gddb_parser: This Python has API version 1013, module gddb_parser has version 1012

jonfr	Posted - 2007.11.04 22:16:00 - [141] Originally by: Krest Zoltral Don't work for me, After the "splash screen" nothing and nothing see the log: Quote: RuntimeWarning: Python C API version mismatch for module gddb_parser: This Python has API version 1013, module gddb_parser has version 1012 You problay have a old version of python installed. I have this python version in Gentoo Linux and I don't see this error. python 2.4.4-r6 ---- Sign has been stolen by ugly dwarf from a unknown solar system.
InsaneMachine	Posted - 2007.11.04 22:32:00 - [142] @ Krest Zoltra Where do you see that log?
Triath Lon Caldari Keepers of Balance Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.11.04 22:47:00 - [143] I must be downloading it at the most unfortunate time, but download speed was initially at about 65 kb/sec and now dropped to 35 kb/sec... i'll be here for the next 6 hrs waiting for it.
Muscaat Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.04 22:48:00 - [144] Originally by: jonfr Quote: RuntimeWarning: Python C API version mismatch for module gddb_parser: This Python has API version 1013, module gddb_parser has version 1012 You problay have a old version of python installed. I have this python version in Gentoo Linux and I don't see this error. python 2.4.4-r6 I get this error with the default Python installed in Ubuntu 7.04 (2.5.1-0ubuntu3), which CCP claims is supported by this client.
WeeLB	Posted - 2007.11.04 22:54:00 - [145] Hi all, For you Mac users, did you just drag and drop the file into your Apps folder? Do you need Cider, or is it bundled? (it appears to be inside the package) The application won't launch for me, so I'm just hoping there's something obvious I'm missing before going out and downloading the client at 30 kps again... Cheers, and thanks in advance.
morefeeus	Posted - 2007.11.04 23:24:00 - [146] Nice one... Client works fine (opensuse 10). After loading a python package the install mentions and sorting out secondary group permissions for my non-root user, added it to video and cedega, it didn't require any more tweaking. Only glitch I noticed in the hour spent on-line was that the map window displays a white box about 5mm square at the 'you are here' point. Will it be possible to have it windowed so I can run more than one client, the option didn't drop down... And no I still need windows (as much as I'd like to give it the finger!)... So I can relax from Eve, I need Crysis, COD4 and UT3! There's just too much happening on Windows to dump it.
Doublewhopper	Posted - 2007.11.05 00:00:00 - [147] The installer downloads the client.dat to my home-directory regardless what paths i give. How can this be changed? I dont have space there. Can i manually get the client.dat file somewhere else?
Glengrant Minmatar TOHA Heavy Industries Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.05 00:05:00 - [148] Edited by: Glengrant on 05/11/2007 00:05:54 Guys - get over the supposed native vs windows/wine thing. Wine (Cedega, crossover - same deal) is just an api layer where windows os function calls get translated into their linux equivalents. An app like eve has (to simplify) 2 kinds of code: Your own code which is just what you write and compile - and that's the same binary code regardless of os you are running on - and calls to os api. The latter is just a large set of functions with parameters in certain shared libraries (call DLL on windows and so on linux). What wine does is not re-implement all of windows - just offer the same api - and then translate it to equivelant calls on linux. The part of Eve that's written in python is mostly protable to begin with. So - except for a more or less thin portability layer an Eve using wine/Cedega/Crossover is a native app. And any app written for several OS would use a portability layer so you can basicaly write your code once and then just recompile for different target platforms. It just so happens that in this case the portable api looks like windows api. shrug - Perhaps not the most elegant looking api - but not necessarily slower because of that and anyway a problem (if any) for the programmers - not users. I have been using wine since early this year (switched from Windows to Ubuntu November 06 - booting into windows just for Eve - until the last serious bugs got eradicated early 07). I'm glad it's officialy supported now which should lessen/remove the occasional problem with patch days (when wine sometimes needs a few days to catch up with breaking changes). I also hope that eve voice will be available this way (the only thing I am missing while using wine). I couldn't care less how they made it portable. I stopped booting into my windows partition > 6 months ago. (ok - that's cheating a bit- I have 2nd computer with old windows that I use just for Ventrilo/TS - looking forward to get rid of that too). For me 2007 has been the long awaited year of the Linux Desktop breakthrough.
jonfr	Posted - 2007.11.05 00:48:00 - [149] Originally by: Muscaat I get this error with the default Python installed in Ubuntu 7.04 (2.5.1-0ubuntu3), which CCP claims is supported by this client. EDIT: Installing Python 2.4, and editing the ~/.cedega/.ui/runGUI script to force it to use that version, gets rid of this error but doesn't make the login screen appear. Here are my run info, if they are of any help. I can run eve online without issues with my Gentoo Linux. Even if it isn't officially supported. jonfr@jupiter ~ $ eve Single-user install... This is the update checker... Running /home/jonfr/.cedega/.updater/cedega_updater.py Running... /home/jonfr/.cedega/.ui/runGUI jonfr@jupiter ~ $ sh: lsb_release: command not found sh: lsb_release: command not found sh: lsb_release: command not found ---- Sign has been stolen by ugly dwarf from a unknown solar system.
Pivalak Happy hOur Mining and industry	Posted - 2007.11.05 01:03:00 - [150] Originally by: Kravek Anybody with ATI even tried to use that client? I did. Tried the Linux client with Kubuntu 7.10 and fglrx driver 8.42.3, on a computer with an ATI HD 2600 XT graphic card. The game booted all right, but there are several issues which, together, make the game unplayable. However, you can still use it to change the skill being trained or chat with your buddies: - As long as I remain docked at a station, the client seems to work. But as soon as I try to undock, the client crashes. - The game runs at a lower resolution than expected. If I try to set the proper resolution for my screen, the client crashes. - If you already have Cedega in your system, installing the EVE client will mess with the rest of your Windows applications (installed under Cedega). In particular, the engine distributed with the EVE client seems to replace that used by Cedega (though I haven't examined the issue in depth).



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