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Andre II
Space Morons Something Posing As Meat
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Posted - 2012.01.28 00:10:00 -
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Strange... I used to always say Star Wars was better but over the years reading more SciFi I believe i prefer Star Trek more... I honestly believe you can't compare the two. Star Wars was an amazing visual experience about an intergalactic war, but Star Trek is different. Star Trek is more how humanity could possibly be in the future, Star Wars is about a different civilization galaxies away. It has no reference to humanity on earth, while Star Trek does. Star Trek is much like the earth but in space, trying to keep peace but always plagued by problems. |
VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.28 00:28:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 01:12:00 -
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.28 01:28:00 -
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I think SW jumped the shark when they introduced those alliens that traveled from another galaxy and invaded SW galaxy. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat desert first! |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 01:41:00 -
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star trek has always been superior over star wars, different reasons than yours and many more but I agree with your conclusion. Star wars use to be great for what it was but now it is not even that. Lucas and his company killed it. Unlike paramount who always succeeded with the same and can still kill the ST franchise anyday now, at least we will always have what made it great to begin with, unlike SWs original film that george lucas hammered to pieces and force fed us a childish ****** remake.
At least with KOTOR I lived in the SW universe through gaming and somewhat different lore but EA/BW and Lucas destroyed that as wellwith SWTOR... |
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:09:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:I think SW jumped the shark when they introduced those alliens that traveled from another galaxy and invaded SW galaxy.
I believe you mean ST, and specifically DS9 during the Dominion. I didn't watch as much of that though you have to admit ST fleet battles with a station included are pretty bad ass.
Watched even less of voyager, and never bothered with Enterprise.
I think 2 that beat out both ST and SW are Babylon 5, for their much better understanding of space physics and what felt like more real world type of politics, and Firefly, for giving us a view of what the little guys are doing while the big battles wage on which also gave us more of a connection with the crew that we were watching. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:40:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Caleidascope wrote:I think SW jumped the shark when they introduced those alliens that traveled from another galaxy and invaded SW galaxy. I believe you mean ST, and specifically DS9 during the Dominion. I didn't watch as much of that though you have to admit ST fleet battles with a station included are pretty bad ass. Watched even less of voyager, and never bothered with Enterprise. I think 2 that beat out both ST and SW are Babylon 5, for their much better understanding of space physics and what felt like more real world type of politics, and Firefly, for giving us a view of what the little guys are doing while the big battles wage on which also gave us more of a connection with the crew that we were watching.
Voyager had as many if not more lifelessons in it and kept true to what ST is/was than DS9. Enterprise and the new movie was the first and also what broke ST away from the original vision of ST and the whole point of the series and francshise. Which is funny because that also killed the ST series, that and UPN, and movies at least with the fans. Only fans will watch the show so... now we just got movies and because the STO game failed I doubt we will see more ST gaming for a long while.
PS: The dominion came from the same galaxy, just another part of it by the use of a wormhole, but unlike other Star Trek DS9 after season 3 or 4, can't remember, was the first one to become the most ehm forgot the word for it, basically you have to watch all shows in order to follow along if you don't wanna get confused and turned off. All other shows even voyager you cAN miss more than one episode (even 10) yet still tune in and enjoy without a problem. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:25:00 -
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i like both.
(to be more specific: ST 1-6+11, SW 4-6)
edit: and i agree that both are hard to compare. SW (old movies) are a SciFi fairy tail ST has a different target group.
and everything got worse with time (however i really liked the ST reboot) a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.01.28 10:03:00 -
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I love the Star Trek Universe set out in TGN, Voy and DS9. I like the original to a degree but TBH that is 23 years before I was born, I did not grow up with it.
Deep Space Nine is by far my favorite. It was a lot less Black and White then other two and more Grey. A lot of main Characters were not Starfleet but had their own perspectives and the villains were explored much deeper then any other series.
Star Trek was a good 3 Movies + Expanded Universe and 3 terrible Movies. But that can not compete with 600+ Episodes of Star Trek. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
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Posted - 2012.01.28 10:35:00 -
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I enjoyed a lot TNG and Voyager, but in terms of SF, Babylon 5 (minus the last and unnecesary season) completely owns everything else.
Story, characters and universe, Babylon 5 is a self-contained work of excellence. It managed to get right even the most dangerous stuff as long as the main arc lasted.
But then I am not 100% unbiased as i essentially love Susan Ivanova/Claudia Christian... |
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Renturu
Tribal Spirit Tribal Unity Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.28 10:39:00 -
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Big Damn Heros!!!
Flame on!!!! If EvE WiS is Space Barbie, then I'm built like a Ken Doll:
Nothin' but 14 inches of T'aint; Smooth, from front to butt!!! |
W1rlW1nd
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:58:00 -
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I'm ok with StarTrek, BSG, SW, ETC. but yes, Firefly/Serenity tops them all.
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48 DD
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:30:00 -
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Star Trek has always been better than Star Wars?
I've been discussing this thread with my buddy Yoda, and you know what he said?
"F*ck Spock. How's a brother gonna death grip another if his arm ends in a cauterised stump?"
Word. Yes... they're real. |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:35:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I enjoyed a lot TNG and Voyager, but in terms of SF, Babylon 5 (minus the last and unnecesary season) completely owns everything else. Story, characters and universe, Babylon 5 is a self-contained work of excellence. It managed to get right even the most dangerous stuff as long as the main arc lasted. But then I am not 100% unbiased as i essentially love Susan Ivanova/Claudia Christian...
Link Claudia Christian to David Duchovny in less than 3 moves... GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.28 18:20:00 -
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The scope is wrong. SW has a galaxy as a backdrop for the story. ST has several regions in one galaxy as a backdrop. Firefly has one solar system and all the characters are human, no aliens and their alien view points. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat desert first! |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:17:00 -
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48 DD wrote:Star Trek has always been better than Star Wars?
I've been discussing this thread with my buddy Yoda, and you know what he said?
"F*ck Spock. How's a brother gonna death grip another if his arm ends in a cauterised stump?"
Word.
Lightsabers don't block phasers, especially ones modified to rotate frequencies.
Also, given how often time travel is featured in ST, Spock can go back in time and nerve pinch your grandfather so hard that your father's ********* will be permanently damaged causing you to never have been born in the first place.
Finally, a single Star Fleet engineer + Deflector Shield = Modified Deflector Shield which trumps all known Star Wars (and Star Trek) technology.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:22:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Unlike paramount who always succeeded with the same
Voyager Enterprise Generations Insurrection Nemesis
Enough said. |
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:34:00 -
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Eve Forum ate my initial post. So I cut it shorter this time around:
ST =
Humanitarian / Utopian vision of what our species might accomplish some day, both on a technological and cultural level.
ST promoted open-mindedness, scientific approach to problems, a sincere will to try a peaceful resolution of conflicts before nuking the whole planet.
ST can credit itself with the first kiss between a black woman and a white man. ST has shown us cell phones and tablet computers long before Nokia or Apple came around with the real technology.
Here's a link if you want to read more about how ST came about and what influenced its creator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Roddenberry
Jill.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2012.01.28 20:11:00 -
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Jill Xelitras wrote:Eve Forum ate my initial post. So I cut it shorter this time around: ST = Humanitarian / Utopian vision of what our species might accomplish some day, both on a technological and cultural level. ST promoted open-mindedness, scientific approach to problems, a sincere will to try a peaceful resolution of conflicts before nuking the whole planet. ST can credit itself with the first kiss between a black woman and a white man. ST has shown us cell phones and tablet computers long before Nokia or Apple came around with the real technology. Here's a link if you want to read more about how ST came about and what influenced its creator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_RoddenberryJill.
I watched all the series and movies during the summer and I'd argue that ST used to be exactly that, but all the later entries in the series, both series and movies, have all but abandoned all of that. The characters started to behave increasingly like people today both in good and bad, the entries were much more focused on superficial action and moved towards science fantasy and are increasingly just plain ******** and pseudo intellectual in their message. What I mean with the last one is, that they try to feed the audience stupid and at times even morally abhorrent ideals and present them as admirable ideals. For example the things they twist the prime directive to justify is simply disgusting at times and makes no logical sense, if you think about it even a little.
Today I'd say they are both increasingly pretty much the same thing(science fantasy space adventures) these days. The main difference is, that the director of the ST movies is more skilled than GL, so the end product is also superior, although it wasn't anything great either. I like them both, but have higher hopes for ST, since every SW product I've encountered in recent years has really been absolutely terrible. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.28 20:37:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Jill Xelitras wrote:Eve Forum ate my initial post. So I cut it shorter this time around: ST = Humanitarian / Utopian vision of what our species might accomplish some day, both on a technological and cultural level. ST promoted open-mindedness, scientific approach to problems, a sincere will to try a peaceful resolution of conflicts before nuking the whole planet. ST can credit itself with the first kiss between a black woman and a white man. ST has shown us cell phones and tablet computers long before Nokia or Apple came around with the real technology. Here's a link if you want to read more about how ST came about and what influenced its creator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_RoddenberryJill. I watched all the series and movies during the summer and I'd argue that ST used to be exactly that, but all the later entries in the series, both series and movies, have all but abandoned all of that. The characters started to behave increasingly like people today both in good and bad, the entries were much more focused on superficial action and moved towards science fantasy and are increasingly just plain ******** and pseudo intellectual in their message. What I mean with the last one is, that they try to feed the audience stupid and at times even morally abhorrent ideals and present them as admirable ideals. For example the things they twist the prime directive to justify is simply disgusting at times and makes no logical sense, if you think about it even a little. Today I'd say they are both increasingly pretty much the same thing(science fantasy space adventures) these days. The main difference is, that the director of the ST movies is more skilled than GL, so the end product is also superior, although it wasn't anything great either. I like them both, but have higher hopes for ST, since every SW product I've encountered in recent years has really been absolutely terrible.
Not true until the show enterprise and the latest 2 ST movies, all before that have substance and goes along Gene's vision. They made enterprise on purpose in order to be more "human" and the new movie in an alternate universe in order to "change" the characters to be more "human". Star Trek voyager had ideals and stuck to them even in the last episode. Same with movies until nemesis, nemesis started the change with ent, I did like ent but it was for sure not real ST but rather random sci fi crap. ST lost it as a franchise somewhat, but the difference is, I still have the original forever, the original star wars was destroyed in an acid bath with a laughing insecure fat george lucas standing over it working on a new yet again edited 3d star wars on bluray edition while I can watch all of ST on DVD in its true form, anytime. |
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:49:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Not true until the show enterprise and the latest 2 ST movies, all before that have substance and goes along Gene's vision.
Maybe if you have the philosophical depth of a goldfish. For the rest of us, Star Trek's "deep" questions were superficial garbage, and more often than not the writers sided with childish idealism and rule-following over a sensible analysis of the consequences of each option. We see this come to its ultimate conclusion in Insurrection, a movie that depends entirely on the premise that it's better to let billions of people suffer and die than to inconvenience a few hundred.
And of course meanwhile the writing quality was exploring new depths of horrible. Just when we thought that the endless "plot device of the week" and open marketing to sexually-frustrated fanboys was bad, the movies gave us new definitions of the word. All of the next generation movies had plot holes so obvious a five year old could find them, to the point where the movie becomes entirely unwatchable if you spend even a few minutes thinking about it.
PS: everything after the original series was incredibly racist, if you actually think about it for more than a few minutes.
Quote:the original star wars was released on DVD, with no editing beyond restoration of the damaged film and transfer to DVD.
Fixed that for you. |
Amaroq Dricaldari
Total Annihilation. Pandorum Invictus
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Posted - 2012.01.28 23:00:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Caleidascope wrote:I think SW jumped the shark when they introduced those alliens that traveled from another galaxy and invaded SW galaxy. I believe you mean ST, and specifically DS9 during the Dominion. I didn't watch as much of that though you have to admit ST fleet battles with a station included are pretty bad ass. Watched even less of voyager, and never bothered with Enterprise. I think 2 that beat out both ST and SW are Babylon 5, for their much better understanding of space physics and what felt like more real world type of politics, and Firefly, for giving us a view of what the little guys are doing while the big battles wage on which also gave us more of a connection with the crew that we were watching.
Enterprise was pretty damn good. At somepoints, you can't even recognize it as a Star Trek show. This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
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Posted - 2012.01.29 00:17:00 -
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Well generally I think: Like the SciFi you like and don't compare it to other stuff.
I loved the 5th element, Aliens, Starship Troopers, V (the original series) ...
One of my all-time favourite games is Jedi Knight II: Outcast.
My favourite SciFi book is The Foundation Trilogy by Isaac Asimov.
All are different fictional worlds. Some tend to be more fantasy, some try to be "realistic". As long as I'm entertained, moved, amazed ... I'll take it.
The most important part for all SciFi fans is to know their memes. Wouldn't you agree ?
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Brisco County
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.29 04:55:00 -
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Star Trek is a stupid f'king soap opera. |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.29 05:54:00 -
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Brisco County wrote:Star Trek is a stupid f'king soap opera. Not everyone likes short stories. Gÿ¦ Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat desert first! |
Zofe Stormcaller
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2012.01.30 16:20:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I enjoyed a lot TNG and Voyager, but in terms of SF, Babylon 5 (minus the last and unnecesary season) completely owns everything else. Story, characters and universe, Babylon 5 is a self-contained work of excellence. It managed to get right even the most dangerous stuff as long as the main arc lasted. But then I am not 100% unbiased as i essentially love Susan Ivanova/Claudia Christian...
This. B5, because people don't get nuked, tortured, gaslighted and politically whitewashed in star trek. It also has some truly fantastic lines :)
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.01.30 16:31:00 -
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Zofe Stormcaller wrote: This. B5, because people don't get nuked, tortured, gaslighted and politically whitewashed in star trek.
Yes they do. They do a lot. Especially in Deep Space 9.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
mUfFiN fAcToRy Psychotic Tendencies.
900
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Posted - 2012.01.30 16:37:00 -
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Let's see what each thing inspired and then make an informed decision...
Star Trek: -Mobile communication -non-invasive medical scans -very short skirts on women -touch screens and tablets
Star Wars: -Terrorists can win |
Alara IonStorm
1509
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Posted - 2012.01.30 16:39:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Let's see what each thing inspired and then make an informed decision...
Star Trek: -Mobile communication -non-invasive medical scans -very short skirts on women -touch screens and tablets -Picard Facepalm
Star Wars: -Terrorists can win Fix'd
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
mUfFiN fAcToRy Psychotic Tendencies.
900
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Posted - 2012.01.30 16:44:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Let's see what each thing inspired and then make an informed decision...
Star Trek: -Mobile communication -non-invasive medical scans -very short skirts on women -touch screens and tablets -Picard Facepalm -Picard maneuver
Star Wars: -Terrorists can win Fix'd
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