Added 1 more thing that is awesome \o/

Empire Strikes Back > New Hope > Return of the Jedi > All ST > SW on ice > **** on a stick > cancer > SW prequels.

Where does the Christmas Special fit in on this list?

Where does the Christmas Special fit in on this list?

Where does the Christmas Special fit in on this list?

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SFW

Janeway is a woman, Cisco? WTF is Sisco. Kirk + Picard = Dreamteam, imo.

I *prefer* Star Wars, at least the original trilogy, because it doesn't get mired up in technobabble and instead just assumes that the tech works because it works, and uses it to tell a story. In that sense, it's the better of the two scifi franchises. Compared to ST:TOS, it was a much more believable and consistent universe. Also, it's a lot more fun to watch.

Now when you roll in all the extended universes of both, I think I like the Star Trek universe better because Star Wars tried too hard to match Star Trek's technical side. There was no need to explain the mechanics of the Force or how lightsabers work or any of that...this is futuretech 10,000 years ahead of us. They would accept that something works the same way we accept the integrated circuit. Imagine H.G. Wells going on at length about how a modern cell phone works and you'll understand just how pointless it is.

Here's where Star Trek falls flat for me: they have all this amazing tech, yet they completely lack imagination on its application. There was a whole episode of TNG devoted to the Federation trying to turn Data into a prototype for an assembly line of androids, when they already know that they can use teleporters to duplicate most anything under the right circumstances. Instead of manufacturing new Datas, just duplicate him over and over again.

For that matter, why not replicate entire ships? A massive replicator system that would form ship hulls using all the matter they could feed the thing. I do recall them saying some materials can't be replicated, but those few things could then be installed in the replicated ship prior to launching it. And why bother with Star Fleet Academy? You've got some really brilliant crews out there. Copy their transporter patterns and beam a copy of them onto each newly replicated ship. Mix crew compositions from one ship to the next so they don't all perform identically...variation is a good thing. Enough matter and energy and you can form up a massive fleet in a matter of days.

In conclusion, Star Wars is fun if you don't overthink it, Star Trek overthinks itself, and Babylon 5 is better than both.

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We need a reboot. Timetravel **** goes wrong, Picard and Kirk ended both in a time periode. And they kicking asses through the galaxy! Picard is cool and always tries to reason with Kirk, but Kirk is always like "Naw, fk it, im gonna just punch those aliens."...

But. . . this already happened. In #7 Kirk and Picard get put into the same time period via the Nexus and they take on the bad guy together. . . except that it was super lame, and Kirk hit his head on a rock and dies. WTF!?!

Kirk has survived been blown up, atomized, sent ot other dimensions and back, sent back and forth through time, hand combat with alien monsters, singlehandedly defeated galactic invasions, reversed impossible odds to save the Earth over and over, had fist-fights with himself on numerous occasions due to no other creature in the universe being a match for him, but then he hits his head on a rock and dies. . . Paramount needs to be photon torpedoed from orbit for that.

(also even the real world would roflstomp ST)

Also if i may point out, if the two fought SW would roflstomp ST, they have FAR superior tech

(also even eve would roflstomp ST)

Also if i may point out, if the two fought SW would roflstomp ST, they have FAR superior tech

(also even eve would roflstomp ST)

ST dont have standing armies so no ****

Who needs an army when one photon torpedo has the capacity to make a nice cloud of dust and knock down a couple people standing nearby, with less force than a modern grenade?

Who needs an army when one photon torpedo has the capacity to make a nice cloud of dust and knock down a couple people standing nearby, with less force than a modern grenade?

A Standard Torpedo has an 18.5 Isoton Warhead. A 54 isoton yield charge could blow up a small planet. A Torpedo has an effective range of 4 Million Kilometers. I think EVE Heavy Missiles you can get over 120 with a bonus...

So is this like a troll that Star Trek Technology is bad or something because it seems pretty damn deadly.

A Standard Torpedo has an 18.5 Isoton Warhead. A 54 isoton yield charge could blow up a small planet.

A Torpedo has an effective range of 4 Million Kilometers. I think EVE Heavy Missiles you can get over 120 with a bonus...

First, thanks for demonstrating how hilariously stupid it is when people say Star Trek has good scientific accuracy. Do you know what the prefix "iso" means? Equal. So "18.5 isotons" is just a redundant way of saying "18.5 tons", or about the same as the smallest nuclear weapon ever built.

And it's stupid in-universe even. In Star Trek V a photon torpedo did less damage to the nearby people than a modern grenade, and in Star Trek VI we even see photon torpedoes exploding inside the Enterprise and barely doing more than smash the furniture.

PS: EVE has nuclear weapons at least that powerful (the Davy Crockett warhead is pretty much the minimum physically possible yield for a nuclear weapon), and last time I checked autocannons fire a lot faster than anything in Star Trek.

So let me get this straight, a torpedo has an effective range* of 4 million kilometers, but (AFAIK) every single case of starship vs. starship combat in all of Star Trek happens at ranges of a few km at most? Why exactly should we pay any attention to this 4 million km claim?

*Let's ignore the stupidity of having a maximum range limit in space.

That is assuming that the prefix Iso means the same thing in their universe as it does in our own. An Isoton could and likely is meant as an entirely different measurement then anything really used in our language and most likely has absolutely 0 relation to the prefix Iso.

So one bad example spoils the whole universe huh.

Bolded the wrong while most appear close for visual reason many, many fights do not and use ranges like this. Many of them happen at Warp Speed so it is safe to assume Torpedoes have Warp Engines.

Lets not, perhaps at the maximum range Torpedoes detonate when they run out of power or guidance whilst Phasers loose power. The point is that EVE Ships can not accurately hit that far out while Star Trek Ships can.

You can dislike that they use made up words and site bad examples created for story reasons all you want but going off of Cannon measurements of weapon yield and range Star Trek has a lot of very dangerous weapons.

Star Trek is meant to be our universe in the future, complete with time-travel back to "modern" times where everything is exactly the same.

Also, if it's a made up word, why do we assume that it means "really huge weapon yield" instead of "really tiny weapon yield"?

It's not just one bad example. We have never seen anything even close to planet-destroying firepower from Star Trek weapons.

The out-of-universe reason for having close-range fights doesn't matter, all that matters is that time after time we see fights at much less than 4 million km. Worse, we see horrible accuracy even at such absurdly close ranges. If you can't hit a massive battleship from a few hundred meters, why is it plausible that you can hit it from a few million?

Awesome Star Trek accuracy. (starting at 1:00)

Hit: turn off the engine and you have infinite range in space. Or, if you're going to quote range based on fuel limits, then you don't have a single range limit, you have a long list of range limits depending on the speed and direction of the target. Either way, stating a range limit of 4 million km is just stupid.

What canon measurements? Which movie or TV episode are they from?

PS: "isoton" makes perfect sense, even if it's a bit redundant. The only problem with it canon-wise is that it doesn't help fanboys "prove" that Star Trek beats everything.