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Mos Superum
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.07 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: zoolkhan
Originally by: Janney Jill
You do realize you're running on unsupported hardware, right? It clearly states the minimum system requirements as "ATI X1600 or NVidia 7300", which the Macbook and the Mac Mini cannot fulfill. It's also a well known fact that the Intel GMA950 drivers on OS X are less than stellar.
so we dont have a "mac client" but a "macbook pro" client.
If the minimum requirements exclude half of the mac types out there then it is reason enough for a little less euphoria imo.
The euphoria is fine where it is -- if you're savvy enough to read the minimum system requirements for the Mac and Linux clients. Seriously -- when you bought the 13" black Macbook, did you expect that it would be even an entry level gaming machine with an onboard video chipset and shared video memory? Please...
Your Macbook is nowhere close to being a gaming laptop. Hell -- the Macbook Pro I'm using with an X1600 dedicated graphics card isn't much of a gaming laptop (far from it), but it meets the specs nonetheless.
Mos Superum
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Mos Superum
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sax Honestly? It's a bit pointless to create a port to a system that can already potentially run windows as a dual boot. Any linux system can dual boot windows and if you want to play, it's easy to switch back.
Same for Mac.
But a real port that would be usefull would be one that could allow the folks out there that have a Mac with PPC as a secondary machine (say a laptop) and take it on the road with them and leave their windows PC behind.
Everyone's raving about this new build, but I'm still stuck at my desk.
As a Mac user, I'm enthused about using the client instead of my BootCamp install only because the thermal management in WinXP on BootCamp is pretty much non-existent. I've played 3-4 hours straight in BootCamp and wondered if I was going to melt the housing on my MBP w/ the X1600 graphics card.
It'd be nice if it were native, but I think, to some degree, CCP has to be at the mercy (as do other game developers) of a PC gaming world. Even EA's promise to port to the new Intel Macs is taking a long time to come to fruition, and they're a much bigger company than CCP.
Is all the hype worth it? Probably not. But being able to boot into EVE during lunch on my MBP is kinda cool regardless.
Mos Superum
P.S. - Thanks, CCP -- please keep the client up to date!
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Essial
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:13:00 -
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Running the latest fully updated x86 Ubuntu. Downloaded the .deb, ran it directly. The application loaded, and proceeded to download the client. After the client download was finished, it did its install thing. Then my screen went black; followed almost immediatly by the login screen. I entered my name and pass, selected my character, and........
Bingo, everything is running super smooth. Absolutely no graphical or system problems whatsoever. Sound works great, graphics settings changes worked without crashing (I changed the res from 1024x768 to 1280x1024, and it just blinked to the new resolution with no problems). Load times are about the same as it was in windows.
Thanks CCP, now I don't have to reboot my pc 4 times a day! Cedega plays all my other games just fine, but I could never get EVE to run properly (which is why I was skeptical about this working.. I always got the splash and crash); which is why I still had to dual boot windows. But now the last of my windows apps runs on linux and I am a happy man.
Thanks again for caring about your subscribers!
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Bentula
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sax Honestly? It's a bit pointless to create a port to a system that can already potentially run windows as a dual boot. Any linux system can dual boot windows and if you want to play, it's easy to switch back.
Same for Mac.
But a real port that would be usefull would be one that could allow the folks out there that have a Mac with PPC as a secondary machine (say a laptop) and take it on the road with them and leave their windows PC behind.
Everyone's raving about this new build, but I'm still stuck at my desk.
Yes completly pointless. You just need to pay 200 bucks, repartition your harddrive and try finding windows equivalents of all the programs you use under linux.
How about not?
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Atira Warpdemon
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:30:00 -
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Anyone else having trouble with the keyboard layout on the mac client? Im on a swedish keyboard and the layout is completely messed up!
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Dal Riata
Minmatar Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:44:00 -
[66]
Successfully running on a 17" Macbook Pro and loving it.
My one complaint (so far, give me time! ) is the touchpad. I used to play under XP on the Macbook, and I didn't use a mouse. I could zoom in and out on my ship by using two fingers on the touchpad, and I had good control over the zoom speed.
On the Mac client, the touchpad is is extremely...touchy :) I have no fine control trying to zoom in and out using two fingers on the touchpad like I can in XP on the same machine.
This is a fairly minor quibble, as I'm sure using a mouse would fix the issue. I'm going to investigate the touchpad settings in the System Preferences to see if I can adjust things and fix the in-game problem.
Mos Superum, QFT. Boot Camp runs HOT. It was a huge heat difference running Eve natively under OSX. I'm really glad I don't have to keep running my machine that hot to play Eve.
I'm also running Leopard if anyone's comparing.
"Getting podded is educational" - Pandaron, from eve-pirate.com |
Nuquerna Dae
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:54:00 -
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Downloaded the Mac OS installtion file, installed it.. Amazing, it auto installs and even puts EVE in the Programs Location. Launched it and it started up without any problems, i only had to change my Adapter Resolution and voila! EVE runs. Not a glitch! The installtion was on a Regular MacBook with a built in graphics adapter with shared memory. (GMA 950 Chipset) 2GB internal memory and Dual core 1.83Ghz Intel processor. Running on Leopard.
I'm truly impressed by the performance and overall simplicity of the installation. Heads Up CCP!!!!
NuQuerna Dae
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Lake
The Praxis Initiative
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lake on 07/11/2007 18:08:25 Just in case someone else is as curious as I was just how heavily 'virtualized' this version of EVE is:
You can actually run the Mac version on Windows.
The entire Program Files/CCP/EVE directory is reproduced within the Mac Application Bundle. Your settings are all saved in ~/Library/Preferences/EVE Online Preferences/ which has a 'fake' Windows file system in the p_drive folder. In fact that's where your Cache folder is located on the Mac client, the next time you need to clear it.
The only thing I didn't find were two DLLs, and two MS supplied components. Copying them from my main install (along with the corresponding manifest.dat so it didn't complain about a modified install) got the client loading as normal.
Everything appeared to work normally.
Be aware however that using a modified client is against the EULA. Just because it looks normal to you doesn't mean it's not causing server-side errors of some kind. I did it once because I just had to see if it worked. Now you know it does, so you don't have to =)
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iTroglodite
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:09:00 -
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don't know if this has been mentioned but you cannot resize text in the chat box on the mac client - just clicks with no effect. Kinda hard to see on a 24" wide & 1900x1200 with bad eyesight.
AND, i suddenly lost my will to boot into windows (bootcamp), that is, until Trinity comes out.
other than that, i was lurking around in 0.0 just fine, waiting for unsuspecting iteron's to fly by.
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Topshelf
Beer And Guns
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mos Superum
Originally by: zoolkhan
Originally by: Janney Jill
You do realize you're running on unsupported hardware, right? It clearly states the minimum system requirements as "ATI X1600 or NVidia 7300", which the Macbook and the Mac Mini cannot fulfill. It's also a well known fact that the Intel GMA950 drivers on OS X are less than stellar.
so we dont have a "mac client" but a "macbook pro" client.
If the minimum requirements exclude half of the mac types out there then it is reason enough for a little less euphoria imo.
The euphoria is fine where it is -- if you're savvy enough to read the minimum system requirements for the Mac and Linux clients. Seriously -- when you bought the 13" black Macbook, did you expect that it would be even an entry level gaming machine with an onboard video chipset and shared video memory? Please...
Your Macbook is nowhere close to being a gaming laptop. Hell -- the Macbook Pro I'm using with an X1600 dedicated graphics card isn't much of a gaming laptop (far from it), but it meets the specs nonetheless.
Mos Superum
The euphoria is not fine where it is at all. I can happily (and I really do mean happily) run 2 clients in BootCamp/Windows and get a better framerate than I am getting with one client under this "offering".
Is there any way to get 15-bit color 1-bit alpha as a 'Color Depth" setting in Cider version, as that is the setting I, and probably most MacBook owners, use. It's a reasonable sacrifice I know.
As already stated, a vast majority of the Mac owning community has been left out (and it's small enough as it is). Please get this rectified so I can get rid of my Windows partition.
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Jayce Rivenstar
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:56:00 -
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Hi
Well now I've got options - always a good thing.
I have one of the new 2.8 Ghz aluminium IMacs with OS X.5 (with bootcamp) and a new copy of Windows Vista already installed for other reasons.
Which will give me better performance in EVE Running the standard Eve Client under Vista or Using the Mac Eve client in Leopard?
When I run the the utility thet rates my "Windows Experience" the graphics performance is the worst; Do in need any/are there any updated drivers for the graphics card. (ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO with 256MB memory)
Thanks
Jayce
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Dianaballick
Band of Developers
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Posted - 2007.11.08 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Topshelf
Originally by: Mos Superum
Originally by: zoolkhan
Originally by: Janney Jill
You do realize you're running on unsupported hardware, right? It clearly states the minimum system requirements as "ATI X1600 or NVidia 7300", which the Macbook and the Mac Mini cannot fulfill. It's also a well known fact that the Intel GMA950 drivers on OS X are less than stellar.
so we dont have a "mac client" but a "macbook pro" client.
If the minimum requirements exclude half of the mac types out there then it is reason enough for a little less euphoria imo.
The euphoria is fine where it is -- if you're savvy enough to read the minimum system requirements for the Mac and Linux clients. Seriously -- when you bought the 13" black Macbook, did you expect that it would be even an entry level gaming machine with an onboard video chipset and shared video memory? Please...
Your Macbook is nowhere close to being a gaming laptop. Hell -- the Macbook Pro I'm using with an X1600 dedicated graphics card isn't much of a gaming laptop (far from it), but it meets the specs nonetheless.
Mos Superum
The euphoria is not fine where it is at all. I can happily (and I really do mean happily) run 2 clients in BootCamp/Windows and get a better framerate than I am getting with one client under this "offering".
Is there any way to get 15-bit color 1-bit alpha as a 'Color Depth" setting in Cider version, as that is the setting I, and probably most MacBook owners, use. It's a reasonable sacrifice I know.
As already stated, a vast majority of the Mac owning community has been left out (and it's small enough as it is). Please get this rectified so I can get rid of my Windows partition.
No.
Upgrade your MAC to a decent gaming machine. It is not the job of the companies to dumb down development to catch everyone possible.
People meeting the requirements are playing just fine, the problem you have is your's to fix.
Not to mention the client was just released and bugs will be found and corrected, get off your MAC high horse.
Oh, and the game runs fine with my Macbook Pro. And my home Mac... And my work Mac...
Why? Because they meet......the requirements.....dur.
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SEN 5243
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Posted - 2007.11.08 02:25:00 -
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thanks ccp this is great
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Anneliese Camillus
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Posted - 2007.11.08 04:56:00 -
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Edited by: Anneliese Camillus on 08/11/2007 05:02:47
Originally by: K'reemy G'udness Congrats! Now if you could just let us set skill training in a browser, that would be magnificent.
I've been waiting for that for quite some time!
Here's two MOOs for OOG browser skill setting! (or an API to do it)
Oh! and the Winter Solstice Celebration has come early this year! -- Thanks CCP!
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WisdomLikeSilence
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.08 09:50:00 -
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No ability to copy text to and from the client to the OS means typing out killmails manually! Im sure this wont be a problem for some, but with my hundreds of kills a week ...
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CrazyIvan
Minmatar Calista Industries Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.08 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: WisdomLikeSilence No ability to copy text to and from the client to the OS means typing out killmails manually! Im sure this wont be a problem for some, but with my hundreds of kills a week ...
Yeah.. having been using Cedega to play eve for almost a year now (and using the new client just fine, loving it really since I can cancel my cedega subscription now).. that has always been a problem for me.. not being able to copy and paste, and not being able to use the number pad.
The only solution I've found is to eve mail the kill mail to someone else (and have them post it) and because of the length limitations of eve mails.. you some times have to send it in multiple parts.
It's annoying of course, but not as annoying to me as having to run windows.. I'm happy in penguin land!
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Topshelf
Beer And Guns
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Posted - 2007.11.09 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Topshelf on 09/11/2007 00:45:01
Originally by: Dianaballick
Originally by: Topshelf
Originally by: Mos Superum
Originally by: zoolkhan
Originally by: Janney Jill
You do realize you're running on unsupported hardware, right? It clearly states the minimum system requirements as "ATI X1600 or NVidia 7300", which the Macbook and the Mac Mini cannot fulfill. It's also a well known fact that the Intel GMA950 drivers on OS X are less than stellar.
so we dont have a "mac client" but a "macbook pro" client.
If the minimum requirements exclude half of the mac types out there then it is reason enough for a little less euphoria imo.
The euphoria is fine where it is -- if you're savvy enough to read the minimum system requirements for the Mac and Linux clients. Seriously -- when you bought the 13" black Macbook, did you expect that it would be even an entry level gaming machine with an onboard video chipset and shared video memory? Please...
Your Macbook is nowhere close to being a gaming laptop. Hell -- the Macbook Pro I'm using with an X1600 dedicated graphics card isn't much of a gaming laptop (far from it), but it meets the specs nonetheless.
Mos Superum
The euphoria is not fine where it is at all. I can happily (and I really do mean happily) run 2 clients in BootCamp/Windows and get a better framerate than I am getting with one client under this "offering".
Is there any way to get 15-bit color 1-bit alpha as a 'Color Depth" setting in Cider version, as that is the setting I, and probably most MacBook owners, use. It's a reasonable sacrifice I know.
As already stated, a vast majority of the Mac owning community has been left out (and it's small enough as it is). Please get this rectified so I can get rid of my Windows partition.
No.
Upgrade your MAC to a decent gaming machine. It is not the job of the companies to dumb down development to catch everyone possible.
People meeting the requirements are playing just fine, the problem you have is your's to fix.
Not to mention the client was just released and bugs will be found and corrected, get off your MAC high horse.
Oh, and the game runs fine with my Macbook Pro. And my home Mac... And my work Mac...
Why? Because they meet......the requirements.....dur.
Oh please, give me a break. I don't want them to "dumb it down", just enable functionality that already exists, so at least we can experience the Windows version of the game, with the same options as the windows version.
And as for upgrading my Mac, it's a bit of a jump shelling out an extra ú500 to get a decent MacBook Pro (over my 2GB MacBook) and that is made even worse by having to have two of them. Lucky for you, you're loaded.
When I bought my MacBook, I expected it to play the games I wanted to play on it well (basically EVE, as PC gaming sucks ass and money). I agree with you, gaming is best done on a proper gaming machine, and that would be a console, which I have. My machine meets the spec for running the game through Windows and I can play EVE happily with a nice framerate, so it's not a big leap to just allow these lower color depths really. And that'd be a Cider thing anyway, not CCP, it's all in the game profile used by Cedega.
Personally, I think it's a deliberate limitation put in place to ensure Windows still dominates the gaming world by providing an, albeit perceived, better experience.
But thank you for your completely useless input to my question/problem, keep it to yourself next time.
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ZaphodB
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Posted - 2007.11.09 12:03:00 -
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So I am back! After 1 1/2 yrs... I can now use EVE on my Mac. Major selling point for me!
Now lets see if my old friends are still in space somewhere :).
Waiting for the download to complete though... Curious about it!
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Cheese Nublet
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Posted - 2007.11.09 12:38:00 -
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successfully runs on unbuntu 7.10 on amd 3000 64 with 1 gig nvidia geforce fx 5600 and sb live, I had to install 32bit libs which was only set back, merely a case of going to terminal and running sudo apt-get install ia32-libs
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Mos Superum
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.09 15:10:00 -
[80]
Wait for it...
MISTAKE #1 - Thinking a fashionista Macbook can actually handle any sort of graphics intensive games (even EVE, which is on an older engine)
Originally by: Topshelf
When I bought my MacBook, I expected it to play the games I wanted to play on it well (basically EVE, as PC gaming sucks ass and money).
MISTAKE #2 - Trying to play EVE as a closet console gamer/PC-gaming hater
Originally by: Topshelf I agree with you, gaming is best done on a proper gaming machine, and that would be a console, which I have.
MISTAKE #3 - Still forgetting that Windows and OS X are not the same...
Originally by: Topshelf My machine meets the spec for running the game through Windows and I can play EVE happily with a nice framerate, so it's not a big leap to just allow these lower color depths really.
MISTAKE #4 - Not realizing that we were really trying to help...you understand that you didn't read the printed, official CCP system requirements for Macs.
Originally by: Topshelf But thank you for your completely useless input to my question/problem, keep it to yourself next time.
If it makes you feel any better Topshelf, someone else in here got a Macbook running the client. If it's crashed on them, at least they're keeping it to themselves and not admitting to not having read the CCP system requirements.
Mos Superum
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Topshelf
Beer And Guns
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Posted - 2007.11.09 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Topshelf on 09/11/2007 17:57:45
Originally by: Mos Superum Wait for it...
MISTAKE #1 - Thinking a fashionista Macbook can actually handle any sort of graphics intensive games (even EVE, which is on an older engine)
Originally by: Topshelf
When I bought my MacBook, I expected it to play the games I wanted to play on it well (basically EVE, as PC gaming sucks ass and money).
MISTAKE #2 - Trying to play EVE as a closet console gamer/PC-gaming hater
Originally by: Topshelf I agree with you, gaming is best done on a proper gaming machine, and that would be a console, which I have.
MISTAKE #3 - Still forgetting that Windows and OS X are not the same...
Originally by: Topshelf My machine meets the spec for running the game through Windows and I can play EVE happily with a nice framerate, so it's not a big leap to just allow these lower color depths really.
MISTAKE #4 - Not realizing that we were really trying to help...you understand that you didn't read the printed, official CCP system requirements for Macs.
Originally by: Topshelf But thank you for your completely useless input to my question/problem, keep it to yourself next time.
If it makes you feel any better Topshelf, someone else in here got a Macbook running the client. If it's crashed on them, at least they're keeping it to themselves and not admitting to not having read the CCP system requirements.
Mos Superum
Why the need to try and make people seem/feel inferior, does it make you feel more of a man?
Other than that, I don't think I'm going to dignify your "chest beating" with a response. |
Meditril
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Posted - 2007.11.10 08:42:00 -
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Thanks to CCP for providing the Linux client. I just ordered a new computer with a Nvidia 8800 GTS... I really hope I will made EVE run on it on Ubuntu so that I do not need to pay the Microsoft-Tax :-)
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Mr Goldfish
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Posted - 2007.11.11 12:12:00 -
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Dont be so sure it will work just yet.
After 3 seconds of splash screen, mine goes black and nothing happens. I read on forum that it might be a font problem, havent been able to look in to it further.
And not having linux SB Fatal1ty driver support was another dissapointment, not CCP's fault ofcourse but still a dissapointment.
Gold
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BigWhale
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.11 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: BigWhale on 11/11/2007 18:47:50 So, after installing the installer I am here looking at the download box...
BPS: 20.7KB/s ETA: 10h 43m 1s ... 2%
Any mirrors? :)
Edit: Looks like my ISP problems...
-- R, U, Y are letters...
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.11 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Goldfish Dont be so sure it will work just yet.
After 3 seconds of splash screen, mine goes black and nothing happens. I read on forum that it might be a font problem, havent been able to look in to it further.
And not having linux SB Fatal1ty driver support was another dissapointment, not CCP's fault ofcourse but still a dissapointment.
Gold
The font thing was / is a problem under Wine. You just need to download the font and stick it in the right place, and it fixes it.
Would be very very very very VERY surprised if that bug was still there in this custom designed Cedega package. ------
Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts! |
Penelope Klixcilitep
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:14:00 -
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Transgaming makes excellent software, but it is not the answer for eve. Please get off your collective arses and work on native ports for both OS X and Linux. There's absolutely no reason at all to not do this.
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