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Hanno Mir	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:43:00 - [31] Edited by: Hanno Mir on 06/11/2007 19:43:11 Originally by: Thunderbird Anthares Edited by: Thunderbird Anthares on 06/11/2007 19:40:13 thats the MOST *FIN FUNNIEST** thing i read today Siigari,go die somewhere,far far away. P.S.: im a gallente pilot edit: im sorry for the people around you, you embarass them It is quite a funny post, but I wouldn't go as far as telling the person to "go and die" somewhere, that just aint nice
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:43:00 - [32] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: ChimeraRouge Drones are overpowered sorry. NO. How about you back that up. How are drones overpowered? If they aren't, why are you so bothered about the changes? Mr. Bobbit, that doesn't make any sense. You can be bothered by the changes to a game for many reasons other than the thing being changed is "overpowered." You could, for instance, like game mechanics like they are because you think they are balanced. You could think drones are underpowered. You could just not like the concept of "bandwidth." Etc, etc, etc... I also want to point out the fault of your logic more clearly for you: Friend 1: "My boss told me my wages were going to be cut from $10 and $7.50" Friend 2: "Heh, you were way over paid anyway." Friend 1: "What do you mean I was overpaid? I'm supporting a family of three on that salary and live in the ghetto!" Friend 2: "Well, if you weren't over paid, why are you complaining about getting a pay cut?" That's essentially what you just argued. -Karl
Excido Charon Gallente House CHOAM	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:44:00 - [33] You know, I just thought of a way to balance drone boats. Take away half their turret hardpoints, but keep the same number of high slots. Wouldn't that solve the problem of drone boats having too much DPS?
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:44:00 - [34] Do you really think that typing in giant text will aid your argument? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare
Treyah Mean Corp The Church.	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:44:00 - [35] I'm with the op on this, the myrm nerf is excessive
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:46:00 - [36] Originally by: Treyah I'm with the op on this, the myrm nerf is excessive THANK YOU! Now help me explain why it is in your eyes excessive. _________________ Burn.
Thunderbird Anthares Crimson Star Empire	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:48:00 - [37] just one more thing RMR drone changes actually made drones STRONGER in many cases ok,maybe we dont have 8 drone plateraxes flying around,but we do have raxes with 5 drones strong as 10 drones before RMR does that sound right to you? NO its not a nerf,its rebalancing to fit the whole game right so get a hankie and live over it ffs oh,and sorry about the "die" part but you still need to get a life ------------------------------------------------ When you get to the end of your journey,everything that really matters is the journey itself.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:49:00 - [38] Edited by: Avon on 06/11/2007 19:49:15 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Elias Modron Originally by: Siigari Kitawa How about you back that up. How are drones overpowered? Drones themselves are not. What's overpowered is medium-sized ships (e.g. the Myrmidon) using a large-sized weapons systems (i.e. heavy drones). This is going to be in large text so everybody sees it and it burns into their brains: The Myrmidon is NOT a medium sized ship. The battlecruisers combine battleship sized elements and cruiser sized elements to create something in the middle. It is perfectly legitimate that they are allowed to carry battleship sized weapons, then sacrifice some other things such as POWERGRID if they want to fit more guns. Oh my, in that case can I have siege launchers on a damnation please?.. or a tach absolution would be groovy. Or maybe just a cruise vulture would do? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:49:00 - [39] Originally by: ChimeraRouge Drones are overpowered sorry. NO. sigh They can be I suppose in some cases, but generally I think you're wrong. Especially since they're killable.
Thunderbird Anthares Crimson Star Empire	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:50:00 - [40] Edited by: Thunderbird Anthares on 06/11/2007 19:50:16 offtopic: i dont know the HTML code,how the hell do i change text size/color? ------------------------------------------------ When you get to the end of your journey,everything that really matters is the journey itself.

Excido Charon Gallente House CHOAM	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Karlemgne I also want to point out the fault of your logic more clearly for you: Friend 1: "My boss told me my wages were going to be cut from $10 and $7.50" Friend 2: "Heh, you were way over paid anyway." Friend 1: "What do you mean I was overpaid? I'm supporting a family of three on that salary and live in the ghetto!" Friend 2: "Well, if you weren't over paid, why are you complaining about getting a pay cut?" That's essentially what you just argued. This. Most people that think drones are overpowered use that type of logic, it drives me insane. To all drones haters: Note that most drone boats can't even fit a full rack of weapons because of the limited powergrid. My domi (dual LARII + hardeners) can't even fit 6 Electron Blasters. It can barely squeeze on 3 425mm Rails, but only if I take off my second rep. You're going to tell me that drone boats have too much power? Think again.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:54:00 - [42] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa How is that "fair"? Drones are simply shootable guns. I have gotten in so many droneboat vs droneboat fights and the first thing I have to do is target and shoot down the hostile's drones to get the fight on my side. It is this part right here. Dedicated drone boats essentially have two primary weapon systems. As a result you saw ships like the NOS Domi. It didn't need guns...just drain you dry and wail on you with drones. Of course NOS got nerfed as a result but you still have the issue. Your Domi is blasting away at me with guns and drones and I have to somehow drop your drone leaving your main ship essentially untouched. No one else can do this (at least their drones are a minor enough threat that they can be ignored to an extent). The end result is other ships are at a serious disadvantage. Smaller ships get eaten alive by drones and bigger ships have a hard time killing them. Guns will not track them, smartbombs are useful but hard to fit and fire, their own drones are disadvantaged versus the droneboats drones (they lack the bonuses). There is a reason Gallente ships are so popular in battle and drones are the main reason.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Karlemgne You can be bothered by the changes to a game for many reasons other than the thing being changed is "overpowered." You could, for instance, like game mechanics like they are because you think they are balanced. You could think drones are underpowered. You could just not like the concept of "bandwidth." Etc, etc, etc... Yeah, you could put hours in on the test server and see how things work, and formulate an informed opinion, or you could run to the forums and scream NERF! (in huge letters) The Myrm did need a nerf, and the drone balance on sisi is much, much better than it is on TQ. There are a whole load of changes comming, and the drone changes fit very nicely in the context of the "new" balance. People in these nerf threads have a tendency to focus on a ship that has been balanced, and effected by changes, and then blaming everything soley on the changes. If bandwidth had not be introduced I'm sure the Myrm would still have been nerfed, and without the flexibility offered by bandwidth the effect of that nerf would have been far more drastic. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:57:00 - [44] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Dedicated drone boats essentially have two primary weapon systems. As a result you saw ships like the NOS Domi. It didn't need guns...just drain you dry and wail on you with drones. Of course NOS got nerfed as a result but you still have the issue. Your Domi is blasting away at me with guns and drones and I have to somehow drop your drone leaving your main ship essentially untouched. No one else can do this (at least their drones are a minor enough threat that they can be ignored to an extent). This argument is flawed. While you're taking out the Dominix's drones, you are INCREASING your tank. Every time you can take away damage, that essentially BOOSTS your ability to take damage. Think about it. I posted it earlier. When you take out a ships' dedicated drones, you do this: Drone 1: 20% damage reduction. Drone 2: 25% damage reduction Drone 3: 33% damage reduction Drone 4: 50% damage reduction Drone 5: 100% damage reduction You exponentially get a better tank. _________________ Burn.
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa The Myrmidon is NOT a medium sized ship. It's not a large-sized ship, either, so being able to field a horde of T2 heavies would be completely broken. The myrmidon is an in-between ship, which is reflected by the fact that it can field 2 heavies, 2 mediums, and a light at the same time, or just 3 heavies. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Kolwrath Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:58:00 - [46] Edited by: Kolwrath on 06/11/2007 19:58:35 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa The Myrmidon is NOT a medium sized ship. Uhh yes it is buddy. Sorry but you're wrong. Can I fit Large guns on a BC? no? how about a LAR? ... no? ...hmmmm oh yes thats right : You don't know what you are talking about. Anyone know what the OP is complaining about anyways? I read the post but ... I dont see what got his panties all in a knot. Originally by: Chaos Space Marines Do you hear the voices, too?!?!
Luigi Thirty Caldari 19th Star Logistics	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:59:00 - [47] Edited by: Luigi Thirty on 06/11/2007 19:59:56 Edited by: Luigi Thirty on 06/11/2007 19:59:37 *LARGE CAPITAL LETTERS* ---- DOMINIX IS INVINCIBLE:((((
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:02:00 - [48] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 06/11/2007 19:57:37 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Dedicated drone boats essentially have two primary weapon systems. As a result you saw ships like the NOS Domi. It didn't need guns...just drain you dry and wail on you with drones. Of course NOS got nerfed as a result but you still have the issue. Your Domi is blasting away at me with guns and drones and I have to somehow drop your drone leaving your main ship essentially untouched. No one else can do this (at least their drones are a minor enough threat that they can be ignored to an extent). This argument is flawed. While you're taking out the Dominix's drones, you are INCREASING your tank. Every time you can take away damage, that essentially BOOSTS your ability to take damage. Think about it. I posted it earlier. When you take out a ships' dedicated drones, you do this: Drone 1: 20% damage reduction. Drone 2: 25% damage reduction Drone 3: 33% damage reduction Drone 4: 50% damage reduction Drone 5: 100% damage reduction You exponentially get a better tank. Once the target has no ability to damage you, kill him. IF the drone ship is ONLY drones then yeah but who does that? While I am killing your drones the Domi is hammering with blasters and even with no drones left he is still doing quite a bit of damage.
Liisa Lost Terra Technology	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:02:00 - [49] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 06/11/2007 19:57:37 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Dedicated drone boats essentially have two primary weapon systems. As a result you saw ships like the NOS Domi. It didn't need guns...just drain you dry and wail on you with drones. Of course NOS got nerfed as a result but you still have the issue. Your Domi is blasting away at me with guns and drones and I have to somehow drop your drone leaving your main ship essentially untouched. No one else can do this (at least their drones are a minor enough threat that they can be ignored to an extent). This argument is flawed. While you're taking out the Dominix's drones, you are INCREASING your tank. Every time you can take away damage, that essentially BOOSTS your ability to take damage. Think about it. I posted it earlier. When you take out a ships' dedicated drones, you do this: Drone 1: 20% damage reduction. Drone 2: 25% damage reduction Drone 3: 33% damage reduction Drone 4: 50% damage reduction Drone 5: 100% damage reduction You exponentially get a better tank. Once the target has no ability to damage you, kill him. Riiight.... I must have missed the dev blog where they gave the domi and myrm 0 turret and 0 launcher hardpoints. Signature Your signature exceeds the 24000 byte limit allowed on the forums. -Darth Patches
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:04:00 - [50] Originally by: Liisa Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 06/11/2007 19:57:37 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Dedicated drone boats essentially have two primary weapon systems. As a result you saw ships like the NOS Domi. It didn't need guns...just drain you dry and wail on you with drones. Of course NOS got nerfed as a result but you still have the issue. Your Domi is blasting away at me with guns and drones and I have to somehow drop your drone leaving your main ship essentially untouched. No one else can do this (at least their drones are a minor enough threat that they can be ignored to an extent). This argument is flawed. While you're taking out the Dominix's drones, you are INCREASING your tank. Every time you can take away damage, that essentially BOOSTS your ability to take damage. Think about it. I posted it earlier. When you take out a ships' dedicated drones, you do this: Drone 1: 20% damage reduction. Drone 2: 25% damage reduction Drone 3: 33% damage reduction Drone 4: 50% damage reduction Drone 5: 100% damage reduction You exponentially get a better tank. Once the target has no ability to damage you, kill him. Riiight.... I must have missed the dev blog where they gave the domi and myrm 0 turret and 0 launcher hardpoints. I said dedicated. _________________ Burn.

Phantom Slave Amarr Mozzaki United	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:08:00 - [51] I'll let you have your large drones in your myrmidon, the day I get to use a full rack of tachyon's or mega-pulse's on my Harbinger. Until then, don't even try to argue that it isn't a medium-class ship. It's a slightly larger Cruiser, but it's still smaller than a Battleship. ____________________ Changes on Sisi are NOT the end of the world. Wait until Rev III/Trinity is released before drawing conclusions.
Liisa Lost Terra Technology	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I said dedicated. Guess what, when you shoot my tempests dedicated heavy drones, you are reducing the drone damage by even more. Take a look at this: First drone killed: 33.3% damage reduction Second drone killed: 66.6% damage reduction Third drone killed: 100% damage reduction See, it is even worse. (Argument assuming that ships cannot fit anything but drones) Signature Your signature exceeds the 24000 byte limit allowed on the forums. -Darth Patches
Shiner BockBeer Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:10:00 - [53] Wow, that's some serious frothing at the mouth you've got going there. The drone rev will make drone ships better, not worse. Settle down.
SirMollle	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:13:00 - [54] Stop training FOTM!!!!!!!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:14:00 - [55] Originally by: Liisa Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I said dedicated. Guess what, when you shoot my tempests dedicated heavy drones, you are reducing the drone damage by even more. Take a look at this: First drone killed: 33.3% damage reduction Second drone killed: 66.6% damage reduction Third drone killed: 100% damage reduction See, it is even worse. (Argument assuming that ships cannot fit anything but drones) But a Tempest was not DESIGNED (note I said DESIGNED) for drones. Does it have a drone bonus of any kind? Does it have a massive drone bay to support being a ship that would be viable if it were to use only drones? No. So that argument is faulty as well. We drone users train our droneskills up to their maximum to get the maximum potential out of them, as you your guns. That's just the way it is. Also realize, as it's been said, drones even out by limiting the ship's ability to have a good tank AND the proper guns. A Tempest, for example can easily fit a decent tank and a full rack of guns. A Dominix cannot easily fit a good tank AND guns AND drones. _________________ Burn.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:15:00 - [56] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 06/11/2007 20:15:37 You are playing evolving virtual environment and you are whining, grumpy and upset about changes? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:15:00 - [57] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 06/11/2007 20:15:43 Originally by: Shiner BockBeer Wow, that's some serious frothing at the mouth you've got going there. The drone rev will make drone ships better, not worse. Settle down. Show me how it makes them BETTER and not "balanced" (i.e., nerfed) and I will shut up. _________________ Burn.
Cailais Amarr W A R	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:20:00 - [58] Arrrgh! My eyes!!! C. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
Phantom Slave Amarr Mozzaki United	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:24:00 - [59] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa But a Tempest was not DESIGNED (note I said DESIGNED) for drones. Does it have a drone bonus of any kind? Does it have a massive drone bay to support being a ship that would be viable if it were to use only drones? No. So that argument is faulty as well. We drone users train our droneskills up to their maximum to get the maximum potential out of them, as you your guns. That's just the way it is. Also realize, as it's been said, drones even out by limiting the ship's ability to have a good tank AND the proper guns. A Tempest, for example can easily fit a decent tank and a full rack of guns. A Dominix cannot easily fit a good tank AND guns AND drones. How was a Tempest not designed for drones? It has a drone bay! Just because it doesn't get a bonus doesn't mean his point is moot. And the Domi can fit either a Gank setup, or Tank setup, but it has drones either way. Your drones are part of your damage, not the whole. Fit a decent tank, slap on a couple of guns, and you won't lose 100% of your damage if your drones are dead. Also, don't complain about how if we take the time to kill your drones you're a sitting duck. Focusing on drones forces us to take our damage away from you. You know what that does? That means you can fit a full gank setup and not have to worry about getting destroyed because we're working on your drones. Throw on a nice tank, and if we don't focus on your drones then you aren't losing any DPS. Stop complaining that you have to choose between a gank or tank setup. The rest of us have to choose too. We use our extra slots for either a better tank, or better gank. We can't have both, and neither can you. ____________________ Changes on Sisi are NOT the end of the world. Wait until Rev III/Trinity is released before drawing conclusions.
RigelKentaurus Flying Tartiflette Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:25:00 - [60] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Show me how it makes them BETTER Hotkeys for drones. And I must have missed the dev blog about nerfing dominix, vexors and ishtars, any link to provide? _________ Someday, EVE might look like this.



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