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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
238
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Posted - 2012.02.01 02:48:00 -
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Hurray for rubyPorta the one man parade, rofle stomping everyone. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
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Disdaine
236
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Posted - 2012.02.01 02:59:00 -
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Eve must be one deep sandbox to fit so many heads. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8497
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:09:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I made a detailed claim of precisely who is RMT'ing and botting in nullsec? Yes. That's how all of this started. If you made it in error, now (or, more accurately, 10 pages ago) would be a good time to say so. No, that is a different and completely irrelevant claim that no-one has ever questioned. I think you should quote the part where I submitted evidence /statements regarding detailed claims about who does what where under the auspices of whom. Because a statement like "Drone space is botting central" most certainly does not fall under that category, and at this point you have deviated so far from reality that I have no idea what you are talking about. You know what, I will show you, link, and explain where you made each and every one of the 10 specific claims you made. 1) I personally have or should have specific knowledge of Botting in RED.L Space 2) I personally have or should have specific knowledge of RMT in RED.L Space 3) I personally have or should have specific knowledge that RED.L tolerates botting/RMT "RubyPorto, no one can help you if your hiding under a rock out there.""Meaning that if you have not seen said things for yourself by now, then you must be living under a rock out there."These statements, in the context of the posts immediately preceding them make claims 1-3. They do nothing to support said claims. Saying that I must be "living under a rock" makes the claim that I should have specific knowledge of Botting/RMT in my alliance's space, or of an alliance policy tolerating said activities. Implied in the claim that I "should have knowledge" is the alternative claim that I do have knowledge but either I refuse to admit it, or I actively ignore it. 4) Botting Occurs in the Drone Region Federation 5) The Drone Region Federation has a policy of tolerating Botting 6) RMT Occurs in the Drone Region Federation 7) The Drone Region Federation has a policy of tolerating RMT 8) All of 4-7 are more true of the Drone Region Federation than of ANY OTHER PLACE in EVE 9) Any or all of 4-7 are true of the Drone Region Federation to a concentrated enough extent that they can be accurately called "Bot/RMT Central" 10) RED.L is a part of the Drone Region Federation "Ruby, I have obviously made him angry. I enjoy his nerdy forum rage and half baked stabs at me. Forum troll tears are the very best tears of them all. To you I can only say that you live in the very heart of RMT/ Botting central." "But, your taking a stance that directly contradicts the observations of many others. So... believe what you want. This is a thread about CSM corruption and water not being wet from what I recall. Why don't you go and make a "drone regions have no RMT and no Botters thread" and see what kind of response it gets."And there you have the other 6 claims. The second quote fairly directly makes the claim that my Alliance is part of the DRF(10), and is why all of the rest of the claims stemming from this refer to the DRF. "The Heart of RMT/Botting Central," besides being redundant, directly claims that botting and RMT occurs in the DRF (4&6) and claims 8&9(9 being a subset of 8)(omitted to save space). That phrase also indirectly claims that there is a policy (official or not) of tolerating such activities in the DRF(5&7), as no place becomes the center of an activity without knowing about it and actively tolerating it. So there you have it. Direct quotes and a quick explanation of how you made the claims that I want you to provide evidence for. No but see you're wrong because Eternum Praetorian thinks he is right. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM. |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:17:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Hurray for rubyPorta the one man parade, rofle stomping everyone.
Normally he might simply stand behind Lady Spank, egging her on with the TrollSpam.
I actually see the new approach of vibrant content as a welcome change to debating method, and its at least "seems" informative in the process. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
104
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:20:00 -
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Zirse wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Well I think I'm living proof its possible for an independent from a small corp/alliance to win the CSM elections. I was the first chair of the CSM defeating Darius Johnson of Goonswarm and Hardin of the CVA who both had huge alliance blocs behind them simply by running a high profile campaign and doing a lot of hard work on the campaign trail (and having an excellent team behind me).
So it is possible.
But that said, I do think its got harder for independent candidates recently to compete with the alliance blocs and there has been some evidence of "rigging" (4 hour trial accounts etc) I guess "exploiting weaknesses in the voting system" might be closer to the mark since what Goonswarm did last time is the virtual equivilence of lorry driving in homeless people from another state and registering them to vote for a particular candidate in exchange for a bottle of hooch to play havoc with the ordinary voting demographics.
This is pretty easy to fix. Trial accounts don't get a vote. I'd be inclined to say that there should be a minimum age of character that should vote too. Maybe 1 month. It won't entirely solve election manipulation but it'll help.
But the bigger issue is that 0.0 alliance blocs will always find it easier to pressgang their members into voting than the vast unwashed hoards of highsec. And in a system where minority actually vote you get fringe mentalist candidates dominating the story.
I think CCP need to take a leaf from Australia's voting system and make voting mandatory for every eve player who is on a full account and has existed for one month. During the voting period you get a pop up on the launcher that prompts you to cast a vote. CCP already has the ability to randomize the order of candidates on the voting page - so no alphabetic favouritism and let the candidates stand on their message. (abstain should be an option of course)
In exchange for the inconvenience a six pack of quafe zero arrives in the hanger of the person who just voted.
Everyone wins, democracy triumphs - no more CSM chairs with complete dominance of the council voted by a tiny fraction of the player base. Here's how it will go down: Player: What the hell is this ****? Since I just want to play, and I don't really care about this ****, I'm picking this one because of :boobs: in the portrait. Or the one with green lipstick and yellow eye shadow because :lol:. In the end you have a CSM that isn't vetted by the players interested enough in having a stake in the CSM. Mandatory voting blows. Sorry Australia. I love all the opposition to mandatory voting. These power blocs know full well they'd be GOOOOOOOONE if CCP gently encouraged ALL players to have their say.
These big Eve gangs (full of wannabes) are not in favour of a democratic system they can't control and manipulate.
CSM elections are very much like American politics. No representation - just a competition to see which well-connected millionaire/billionaire gets given the job.
Oh, and I've seen the CCP/CSM videos on youtbe. There is no way I'd be voting for any of those weak, awkward, unprofessional dickwads.
ps. Australia rocks. Wouldn't catch me living anywhere else on the planet. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
238
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:22:00 -
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Yeah if he keeps up those habits we are gonna have to vote him in as the new member of G. I. JOE. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1344
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Posted - 2012.02.01 04:08:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:RubyPorto wrote: At the point that he failed to provide such evidence necessary to support his claims, they may be summarily dismissed. That's okay....your prerogative. "Dismissing" his claims are fine, but notwithstanding what the ancient Romans thought, it must be rightfully pointed out that the claim has not been dis-proven as well. Ah...the Internet. The world wouldn't have a warrior class without it.
It is *IMPOSSIBLE* to prove a negative. Asking someone who questions someone's baseless claim to refute that claim before the claimant provides evidence is ridiculous, and not how reasoned discourse occurs.
I hereby claim that you, MeestaPenni, are involved in the Russian Mafia. According to your proposed rules of discourse, you must now categorically disprove that claim, or we may take it as a fact that you are involved in the Russian Mafia.
Now, to disprove that, you would have to prove that EVERY SINGLE business dealing you EVER had, had nothing to do with the Russian Mafia. Furthermore, you would have to prove that you have never, in any way, shape, or form, provided assistance, material or otherwise, to the Russian Mafia.
See how that burden is impossible to live up to? That is why we do not try to shift the burden of proof away from the claimant, and on to the person denying or questioning the claim.
Further Reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof
At this point, I retract my claim (made for the purposes of argument), that you, MeestaPenni, are involved in the Russian Mafia. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8497
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Posted - 2012.02.01 04:18:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote: At this point, I retract my claim (made for the purposes of argument), that you, MeestaPenni, are involved in the Russian Mafia.
What is your opinion of the rumour that "The Mittani" is secretly Vladimir Putin? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1344
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Posted - 2012.02.01 04:22:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:RubyPorto wrote: At this point, I retract my claim (made for the purposes of argument), that you, MeestaPenni, are involved in the Russian Mafia.
What is your opinion of the rumour that "The Mittani" is secretly Vladimir Putin?
I've seen Mittens, and I don't think he would inspire 1000 women to get fondled by a guy so he could shake hands with Mittens and pass the fondlies on.
Like Putin Did. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.01 04:24:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:What is your opinion of the rumour that "The Mittani" is secretly Vladimir Putin? You mean we don't exist in a socialist totalitarian regime? Wait a moment, we have to defend ourselves against SPAIS, we can't admit to the hidden source of our ~ non-elite pvp ~ power.
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:I love all the opposition to mandatory voting. These power blocs know full well they'd be GOOOOOOOONE if CCP gently encouraged ALL players to have their say. -puppetmasta-
That's why every single highsec person on the EVE-O forums ever would make an amazing candidate. Please, all of you, ever, need to run. That'll show us evil riggers/manupulators of the current system which may or may not change. But if your candidates outnumber us 99:1, you're the 99% and that makes you - powerful - as anything. |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8497
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Posted - 2012.02.01 04:29:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:What is your opinion of the rumour that "The Mittani" is secretly Vladimir Putin? You mean we don't exist in a socialist totalitarian regime? Wait a moment, we have to defend ourselves against SPAIS, we can't admit to the hidden source of our ~ non-elite pvp ~ power. Right! Confirming that The Mittani is most definitely NOT Vladimir Putin.
Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8497
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Posted - 2012.02.01 04:30:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:I love all the opposition to mandatory voting. These power blocs know full well they'd be GOOOOOOOONE if CCP gently encouraged ALL players to have their say. -puppetmasta- That's why every single highsec person on the EVE-O forums ever would make an amazing candidate. Please, all of you, ever, need to run. That'll show us evil riggers/manupulators of the current system which may or may not change. But if your candidates outnumber us 99:1, you're the 99% and that makes you - powerful - as anything. Where did this post go? I keep hunting for it in this thread but I don't see it, and it automatically pops into my posting box whenever I hit the "quote," and I am very confused. Like, I just hit "quote," and here is all this text that wasn't in the post that I quoted when I hit the "quote" button to quote it. I am very confused. What the hell is going on. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.01 04:53:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Where did this post go? I keep hunting for it in this thread but I don't see it, and it automatically pops into my posting box whenever I hit the "quote," and I am very confused. Like, I just hit "quote," and here is all this text that wasn't in the post that I quoted when I hit the "quote" button to quote it. I am very confused. What the hell is going on. I don't get it, but sounds like the forums are messing with you. Buggy?
They're trying to censor our denial of the ultrasecret power of Goonswarm. Long live the Mittani! Long live bees! |
Selinate
643
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Posted - 2012.02.01 05:15:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Selinate wrote: Still can't read apparently, since I quoted exactly what i originally put.
Good one....9/10. Say what?Read your first sentence closely. Then do it while replacing the sections in quotes with "A" and "B" respectively. See it? Duh. Now read your second sentence...it is a complete contradiction of what I quoted above. You did not quote exactly what you originally "put". (Put where? The verb is just floating there; begging to be abused and misused.) Accusing others of illiteracy is ironic when it's done while mangling the semantics of the English language. Thank you. This put-down brought to you courtesy of "The Tippia Way."
Just quit while you're behind. First sentence says he has been proven wrong. Second says how he has been proven wrong. He has been proven wrong in that his argument is invalid, or in that what was quoted is not a valid argument. They mean exactly what I meant for them to mean, and you are quite simply wrong.
If you're going to try to be a grammar na.zi... then at least try to be... you know... correct. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1344
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Posted - 2012.02.01 05:27:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Hurray for rubyPorta the one man parade, rofle stomping everyone.
My train of thought on reading this. "Hey Cool, he likes me. Huh, I could make pedantic fun of that post. But should I really troll an admirer? On the other hand, I do really like pedantry..." Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1344
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Posted - 2012.02.01 05:29:00 -
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Aggressive Nutmeg wrote: ps. Australia rocks. Wouldn't catch me living anywhere else on the planet.
Profoundly Disturbed is primarily populated by Aussies. None of us normal people can understand a word of what those criminals say. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
164
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Posted - 2012.02.01 05:38:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote: It is *IMPOSSIBLE* to prove a negative.
Forum warriors have been using that one for years. Unfortunately, it's an obscure paradox; rendering it useless for any kind of "point" making. To demonstrate.....prove it. Whirl that one around for awhile.
Regardless, it has no bearing on this discussion anyway. Given that the "negative" here is, ""X" does not bot or RMT from "Y" space", it should seem obvious that a good deal of support and evidence could be offered to "prove this negative."
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? |
bilingi
Ghosts of the Storm
27
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Posted - 2012.02.01 05:42:00 -
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Basicly The RED L guy has done everything he can With Tippias Help and some idiot from CSM to steer thread away from fact He And Tippia and CSM all if they dont outright support it turn a blind Eye to RMTers out in 0.0..... Thats about the gist of the last couple of posts. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1344
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Posted - 2012.02.01 05:50:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:RubyPorto wrote: It is *IMPOSSIBLE* to prove a negative.
Forum warriors have been using that one for years. Unfortunately, it's an obscure paradox; rendering it useless for any kind of "point" making. To demonstrate.....prove it. Whirl that one around for awhile. Regardless, it has no bearing on this discussion anyway. Given that the "negative" here is, ""X" does not bot or RMT from "Y" space", it should seem obvious that a good deal of support and evidence could be offered to "prove this negative."
It is not at all an obscure paradox, and I showed an example of why it's ridiculous to shift the burden of proof away from the claimant. Gonna get back to me with your exhaustive proof that you're not connected to the Russian Mafia?
The issue with asking me to show evidence (let alone proof) of the negative (which in absence of evidence to assert the positive claim is assumed true) is that I never claimed any such thing. I merely asked Eternum to provide the merest scrap of evidence to support his claim. This went on for 12 pages, with me and Tippia asking for evidence, and Eternum yelling... something.
As for another example of why shifting the burden of proof is a fallacy in informal logic. Let's say I live in a world where all sheep are white. This world is also a shepherding world, so there are a LOT of sheep, so I've never seen the one off color sheep, nor has anyone I've ever met, nor have I been told any tales of an off color sheep. Say someone comes up to me and says "There is an Off-Color sheep." Would I be justified in asking him for evidence to back his claim up, or would I be required to inspect every single sheep on the planet to make sure there are no off color sheep before telling him he's full of it? Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1344
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Posted - 2012.02.01 05:57:00 -
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bilingi wrote: Basicly The RED L guy has done everything he can With Tippias Help and some idiot from CSM to steer thread away from fact He And Tippia and CSM all if they dont outright support it turn a blind Eye to RMTers out in 0.0..... Thats about the gist of the last couple of posts.
We have made no claim relating to, nor have we made any judgement on Botting or RMT. We have simply refused to accept a claim as true without evidence of the same.
I think RMT (outside CCP's control) is clearly bad for the game. I think Botting may be bad for the game (cheap PvP is good for the game, but inflation is bad for the game, and I'm not sure where the balance lands). But that is not what the argument has been about.
So you're stuffing our faces with words that sound nothing like the one's we say.
bilingi has basically been saying that he wants the Mittani to remain CSM chair for all eternity, and draw a salary directly from bilingi's checking account for that purpose.
See, I can fill your mouth with words too. Claiming that you said those words does not make it so.
If you can find a post where I support RMT, please, please, quote it. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
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Prince Kobol
182
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Posted - 2012.02.01 11:32:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:In regards to the question "Do null sec corps participate in RMT activities" the answer is yes.
Just for the simple fact that you can purchase a Titan for RL money means mean this is true since you can only build a Titan in Sov Space.
Say, for argument, I was an RMT dealer (which I am not). I probably have roughly 3 metric boatloads of liquid Isk. I want to add titans to my product list. I happen to know that some honest, non-RMT people build and sell Titans to anyone. I use one of my metric boatloads of Isk to buy a titan. Is that Alliance guilty of RMT? Quote: Do we know which alliances sells Titans for RMT no.
So whilst we know that RMT does exist in all area's of space, including space which is owned by null sec alliances, we do not know who is involved.
We don't actually know either of these things. We may suspect them, but we have at this point no conclusive evidence.
Some interesting points here.
Regarding the Titan, it all depends how said Titan was purchased. If somebody purchased the Titan using isk in game and sold then titan outside of Eve then Yes, the alliance who built it is NOT guilty.
However, where would you keep the titan between you purchasing the Titan and then selling it for RL money?
If we use Ockham's razor, the simplest explanation is usually the most plausible, then it will be the alliances selling the Titans and not somebody in a NPC Corp or a small corp who is purchasing the Titans and then selling them for RL money.
I understand the argument of that we have no 100% conclusive proof, I have used it myself, however what we do know for a fact is that RMT Exists in a large scale.
Just a simple google search will show many sites selling all kind of things from skill books, BPO,s, BPC packs, Ships of all levels, ammo, materials etc.
So from that we can presume that there are corps and alliances in Eve are involved in RMT.
From here we can presume that these corps and alliances have a presence in all area's in Eve, especially null as by the very nature of null space it is easier to build ships, collect valuable modules and defend against prying eyes.
That is unless of course you are saying that it is a only a few people in NPC's corps creating all these items that are for sale for RL Money.
The only thing I will never do is accuse a person / corp / alliance of directly being involved of RMT until somebody has 100% proof which I have never seen.
I have seen lots of theories, conjecture, suspicious looking NPC kills on dotlan, but nothing which can be called direct evidence and most likely never will.
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bilingi
Ghosts of the Storm
27
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Posted - 2012.02.01 11:54:00 -
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ERRRr im retired Mittens has his on RMT empire.. SO he doesnt need my account.... And i actually voted for him just because i think the CSM is useless hahahaha..
But hey keep throwing out that smoke screen..... |
Aramatheia
Traveler 52 D-Collective
16
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Posted - 2012.02.01 11:59:00 -
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meh its expected that alliances will vote for candidates within thier own numbers, i see no issue there, if 4000 humans who play in null/low want to vote on 1 guy/girl then great.
Only thing i think is an issue is where those 4000 people can then use thier numerous (or not) alts to muscle the votes out of proportion.
All these posts about democracy. Any legitimate election anywhere on the planet only allows each voter to make 1 vote. No vote vote vote vote vote for how many cats dogs birds and fish they have too. Thats the only major imbalance with eve's csm voting that i can see.
Find a way to limit votes to 1 per person or the problem of double triple endless votes from each user will carry on |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
471
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Posted - 2012.02.01 12:40:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote: and Eternum yelling... something.
Oh did you mean this?
Quote:If I say that a public domain possesses easy and readily available information on the subject, and in great multitude, then that is my stance. Your insistence to provide google searches and links for the readier, is in fact, directly contradictory to my stance. You and Mr Red Legion guy have chosen to use that perspective as fodder for more then 3 pages, like some idiot politician running a smear campaign because they have nothing truly of substance to offer.
I CANNOT possibly ACCURATELY represent, on these gaming forums, the ORGY of information that would suddenly appear to the reader if they bothered to type a short string of words into google, it is FAR TO VAST and you know that. Thus, your tireless baiting of me, and I am not biting, nor will I be swayed or manipulated by such transparent and weak drivel.. My proof exists in full, beyond this gaming venue and it is 100% Contingent on it's state of easy accessibility to everyone who desires to seek it out.
1. Information: is public, readily available and easy to find. 2. Location:internet browser 3. Key words: "RMT MMO's" "Bots MMORPG's" "RMT and Botting MMO's" or any other combination. 4. Potential reading material: consists of literally millions of pages of text, all with remarkably similar information. proving that RMT and Botting are now commonplace in ALL Major MMO's
Let me dumb it down even more, just to see how far you will go to manipulate a basic and fundamental reality of modern day gaiming.
If All modern day MMO's have substantial botting and RMT (and thus secondary markets) in them
Then So does EVE
Thus One could expect to find them just about anywhere, from drone space to empire & tied to places they feel can make them the most profit.
Now if you want to make a claim that some region of null sec is both botting and RMT free... I suggest you submit tangible evidence proving your stance, besides "I don't see any" lol, or just STFU already.
Proudly continuing to **** in your Cheerios, Eternum Praetorian. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4745
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Posted - 2012.02.01 12:50:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Thus One could expect to find them just about anywhere, from drone space to empire. Once could, but there is no evidence for it.
Quote:Now if you want to make a claim that some region of null sec is both botting and RMT free... I suggest you submit tangible evidence proving your stance, besides "I don't see any" lol, or just STFU already. Or, how about, if you want to make a claim that some region of null sec is full of bots and that some corps/alliances are ripe with RMT (you know, like you did), the rest of us suggest that you submit tangible evidence proving your stance beyond pointless generalities or just STFU. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
5
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Posted - 2012.02.01 12:59:00 -
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I would repost RubyPorto's list of ten things that you must prove or retract, but it disappeared somewhere in the 23 pages of general asshattery, baiting/counterbaiting, trying to make sense, trying to do everything to not make sense, attempting red herrings and so on and so forth.
So sorry, I can only remember the 3 first:
1) Where is your evidence that the DRF as alliances RMT's - either by doing so on alliance or corp level or by accepting members who do? 2) Where is your evidence that the DRF members turn their blind eye towards these RMT'ers? 3) If you have this evidence, why do you claim it on the forum but, seemingly, do not report it directly to CCP so they can handle it? |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
471
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Posted - 2012.02.01 13:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Thus One could expect to find them just about anywhere, from drone space to empire & tied to places they feel can make them the most profit.
Once could, but there is no evidence for it. .
I still have the little white stick of my victory lollipop from yesterday, sitting on my desk here. I don't have the patience or the time to spend next two days face rolling you again. But I may take a screen capture of page 20 and 21 for the sake of posterity. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
27
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Posted - 2012.02.01 13:05:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I still have the little white stick of my victory lollipop from yesterday, sitting on my desk here. I don't have the patience or the time to spend next two days face rolling you again. But I may take a screen capture of page 20 and 21 for the sake of posterity. I have news for you. You failed to prove anything and made yourself look stupid . All that typing and you still couldn't prove anything or get your point across. I'm sure this is hard for you to accept and have to somehow make yourself feel better by imagining that you 'won' the argument but tbh you just look bitter and clueless. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4745
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Posted - 2012.02.01 13:08:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I still have the little white stick of my victory lollipop from yesterday, sitting on my desk here. Well, I suppose a victory lollipop, and the vague memories of it will have to do in the absence of any actual victory. You should hang on to that stick for dear life, because by the looks of it, it's as close to the real thing as you'll ever going to get.
Quote:I don't have the patience or the time to spend next two days face rolling you again. So you finally admit, then, that you cannot provide a shred of evidence to support your claims about who does what where under the auspices of whom? Because that's pretty much the only way to avoid going through this whole process of me asking you to provide said evidence and you failing to do so over and over (and over) again. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2012.02.01 13:08:00 -
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...and make that screen capture my desktop background. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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