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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4745
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Posted - 2012.02.01 13:10:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:...and make that screen capture my desktop background. I approve. If you want to plaster it across your desktop as a constant reminder of you failing to argue your case, then that's probably a good thing, at least if it reminds you never to do such a foolish thing again. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
471
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Posted - 2012.02.01 13:19:00 -
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Across two screens, page 20 for the left and 21 for the right. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
132
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Posted - 2012.02.01 13:22:00 -
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Epeen, the only important goal of the modern EvE player.
Actually all I see is woefull E-Lawyers trying to derail each other, sad really.
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
164
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Posted - 2012.02.01 14:32:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Actually all I see is woefull E-Lawyers trying to derail each other, sad really.
Hey, when you don't have much time to log in to Tranquility, it's the only PvP you can get.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
471
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Posted - 2012.02.01 14:54:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Actually all I see is woefull E-Lawyers trying to derail each other, sad really. Hey, when you don't have much time to log in to Tranquility, it's the only PvP you can get.
Indeed. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1344
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:10:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:In regards to the question "Do null sec corps participate in RMT activities" the answer is yes.
Just for the simple fact that you can purchase a Titan for RL money means mean this is true since you can only build a Titan in Sov Space.
Say, for argument, I was an RMT dealer (which I am not). I probably have roughly 3 metric boatloads of liquid Isk. I want to add titans to my product list. I happen to know that some honest, non-RMT people build and sell Titans to anyone. I use one of my metric boatloads of Isk to buy a titan. Is that Alliance guilty of RMT? Quote: Do we know which alliances sells Titans for RMT no.
So whilst we know that RMT does exist in all area's of space, including space which is owned by null sec alliances, we do not know who is involved.
We don't actually know either of these things. We may suspect them, but we have at this point no conclusive evidence. Some interesting points here. Regarding the Titan, it all depends how said Titan was purchased. If somebody purchased the Titan using isk in game and sold then titan outside of Eve then Yes, the alliance who built it is NOT guilty. However, where would you keep the titan between you purchasing the Titan and then selling it for RL money? If we use Ockham's razor, the simplest explanation is usually the most plausible, then it will be the alliances selling the Titans and not somebody in a NPC Corp or a small corp who is purchasing the Titans and then selling them for RL money. I understand the argument of that we have no 100% conclusive proof, I have used it myself, however what we do know for a fact is that RMT Exists in a large scale. Just a simple google search will show many sites selling all kind of things from skill books, BPO,s, BPC packs, Ships of all levels, ammo, materials etc. So from that we can presume that there are corps and alliances in Eve are involved in RMT. From here we can presume that these corps and alliances have a presence in all area's in Eve, especially null as by the very nature of null space it is easier to build ships, collect valuable modules and defend against prying eyes. That is unless of course you are saying that it is a only a few people in NPC's corps creating all these items that are for sale for RL Money. The only thing I will never do is accuse a person / corp / alliance of directly being involved of RMT until somebody has 100% proof which I have never seen. I have seen lots of theories, conjecture, suspicious looking NPC kills on dotlan, but nothing which can be called direct evidence and most likely never will.
Garage Alts for storing Titans.
Occam's Razor is a rule of thumb, and only cuts the way you say it does if you start with the assumption that Alliances are involved in RMT. Start with the simpler assumption that RMTers are independant actors, and buying things with ISK (including garage alts for Titans and Supers) become the simplest solution.
But I agree, there's unlikely to be conclusive evidence either way, and either option could be simpler depending on your starting assumptions.
I would guess that there are individuals in most coalitions and areas of space who bot, and individuals who RMT. However, I have absolutely no evidence of that, so let's call that a hunch. There's no way I could extrapolate from that hunch a claim, or even a hunch that some alliance leaders tolerate or endorse such behavior.
I don't particularly want to make any positive claims, because I don't actually have any positive claims I'm interested in debating. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1344
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:18:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:RubyPorto wrote: and Eternum yelling... something. Oh did you mean this? Quote:If I say that a public domain possesses easy and readily available information on the subject, and in great multitude, then that is my stance. Your insistence to provide google searches and links for the readier, is in fact, directly contradictory to my stance. You and Mr Red Legion guy have chosen to use that perspective as fodder for more then 3 pages, like some idiot politician running a smear campaign because they have nothing truly of substance to offer.
I CANNOT possibly ACCURATELY represent, on these gaming forums, the ORGY of information that would suddenly appear to the reader if they bothered to type a short string of words into google, it is FAR TO VAST and you know that. Thus, your tireless baiting of me, and I am not biting, nor will I be swayed or manipulated by such transparent and weak drivel.. My proof exists in full, beyond this gaming venue and it is 100% Contingent on it's state of easy accessibility to everyone who desires to seek it out.
1. Information: is public, readily available and easy to find. 2. Location:internet browser 3. Key words: "RMT MMO's" "Bots MMORPG's" "RMT and Botting MMO's" or any other combination. 4. Potential reading material: consists of literally millions of pages of text, all with remarkably similar information. proving that RMT and Botting are now commonplace in ALL Major MMO's Let me dumb it down even more, just to see how far you will go to manipulate a basic and fundamental reality of modern day gaiming. If All modern day MMO's have substantial botting and RMT (and thus secondary markets) in them ThenSo does EVE Thus One could expect to find them just about anywhere, from drone space to empire & tied to places they feel can make them the most profit. Now if you want to make a claim that some region of null sec is both botting and RMT free... I suggest you submit tangible evidence proving your stance, besides "I don't see any" lol, or just STFU already. Proudly continuing to **** in your Cheerios, Eternum Praetorian.
Eternum, we're still on the specific claims you made way back around page 8. Once you deal with providing evidence to support those claims (or retract them), I'd be happy to discuss the general state of botting and RMT in EvE or the general state of search engines with you.
As for that little syllogism, you need evidence to prove that the first statement is a categorical truth (in other words prove that every single MMO has substantial botting and RMT). I'll grant you that there's evidence that the second statement has some truth to it. And then third one; One could indeed expect so, but to claim so would require evidence to back that claim up.
As for trying to prove a negative, in the absence of any evidence to back up your positive claim, my asking for evidence is sufficient to refute the claim until evidence is provided, me actually giving testimonial evidence "I don't see any" is unnecessary overkill. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2765
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:32:00 -
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so about 4 pages discussing bloc voting and 20 pages of screeching argument about rmt in the drone regions
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
238
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:49:00 -
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You should get a monocle Mittani, distract the lowly players from their drone region RMT worries. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
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Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
471
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:53:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:As for trying to prove a negative, in the absence of any evidence to back up your positive claim, my asking for evidence is sufficient to refute the claim until evidence is provided, me actually giving testimonial evidence "I don't see any" is unnecessary overkill.
Eternum Praetorian wrote:If I say that a public domain possesses easy and readily available information on the subject, and in great multitude, then that is my stance. Your insistence to provide google searches and links for the readier, is in fact, directly contradictory to my stance. You and Mr Red Legion guy have chosen to use that perspective as fodder for more then 3 pages, like some idiot politician running a smear campaign because they have nothing truly of substance to offer.
I CANNOT possibly ACCURATELY represent, on these gaming forums, the ORGY of information that would suddenly appear to the reader if they bothered to type a short string of words into google, it is FAR TO VAST and you know that. Thus, your tireless baiting of me, and I am not biting, nor will I be swayed or manipulated by such transparent and weak drivel.. My proof exists in full, beyond this gaming venue and it is 100% Contingent on it's state of easy accessibility to everyone who desires to seek it out.
1. Information: is public, readily available and easy to find. 2. Location:internet browser 3. Key words: "RMT MMO's" "Bots MMORPG's" "RMT and Botting MMO's" or any other combination. 4. Potential reading material: consists of literally millions of pages of text, all with remarkably similar information. proving that RMT and Botting are now commonplace in ALL Major MMO's
All you have submitted so far is "I don't see any bots out here", so I guess that is the length and breadth of your counter argument. OK, then. If you have anything more then that to support your claims, we would love to hear it. If not, well... there are millions of pages of videos, blogs and magazine articles allover the internet outlining the occurrence, causes and extent of Bots and RMT in all modern day MMO's, including EVE Online.
But by all means keep on, your making a better case against yourself with your long winded dodging of facts then I ever could on my own. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Ronald Ray Gun
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:58:00 -
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The last person to post before this thread gets locked for going off topic wins. I'll start...........
I win. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2765
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:01:00 -
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rodyas wrote:You should get a monocle Mittani, distract the lowly players from their drone region RMT worries.
most of the stuff in the nex store is declasse The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4745
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:02:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:All you have submitted so far is "I don't see any bots out here", so I guess that is the length and breadth of your counter argument. GǪand here's the thing: in doing so, he has offered more proof for the current situation than you have. If you want to counter his submission, you have to provide some evidence of your own in regards to what's going in in the specific case(s) we're talking about GÇö you just keep adding general statements that do not support the level of detail you're claiming.
I'm sure you'd love to hear more in support of his claim, but he has already offered far more than he needs since you have offered abslutely nothing to refute it.
At best, you have offered a hypothesis, but without anything to conform or falsify it, it's a thoroughly useless addition.
Oh, andGǪQuote:your making a better case against yourself with your long winded dodging of facts then I ever could on my own. GǪseeing as how no facts have been offered for him to dodge, he has not been able to be long-winded in his dodging of them, which drastically worsens the case you're trying to build. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
43
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:43:00 -
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bilingi wrote: no DIRECT EVIDENCE? HHAHAAHHAa so whos creating isk and super caps and such for these rmt sites.. SOme of those ships can only be done with allaince resources.....
Thats funny. No direct evidence.....SO which RMT site is yours?
QFT !!
The general population of Eve is not fooled by the pitiful attempts of Botters and RMT riff-raff to cover their tracks and obscure the issue with demands of item by item proofs of what is patentely clear to any thinking player. The fact that many specific items for sale on the web, such as capital ships, rare items and the sheer volume of resources made availble for sale is bona face evidence that Alliances are involved because of the effort level needed to supply them.
Isn't it funny how the roaches in an infested house scurry for cover when anyone shines a light on them. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
43
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Posted - 2012.02.01 18:32:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:In regards to the question "Do null sec corps participate in RMT activities" the answer is yes.
Just for the simple fact that you can purchase a Titan for RL money means mean this is true since you can only build a Titan in Sov Space.
Do we know which alliances sells Titans for RMT no.
So whilst we know that RMT does exist in all area's of space, including space which is owned by null sec alliances, we do not know who is involved.
What doesn't help is that I have not seen one member of the CSM actively come out and slam CCP for there apparent lack of action against those who are involved in RMT.
This also does not help the belief which is held by many that the reason the CSM do not actively campaign against RMT is because they are involved in some way shape or form.
There are quite a few measures that CCP can take to make life a lot harder for the RMT merchants yet for whatever reason they seem very reluctant to do so.
Again people think, rightly or wrongly, this is because of fear. CCP are aware who is involved and are scared of possibility of losing a large amount of null sec players if they punish those involved.
Which ever way you swing it, RMT is an issue in Eve and part of it is based in null sec and CCP either know who is involved and are turning a blind eye, or they are simply inept.
Either way, it is not good.
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Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
43
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Posted - 2012.02.01 18:35:00 -
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bilingi wrote:If Red L isnt doing any of this why fight so hard to say you arent... Makes you look guilty. Which Some in Red L probably are.... ALL 0.0 residents are guilty because they know its happening and turn a blind eye. Reason I left is allaince was in wouldt let ya kill blue bots.
ROACHES! Running from the light... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1031
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Posted - 2012.02.01 18:44:00 -
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Zirse wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Nice, straight to the point. +1 'Like'.
We can always hope that would happen but it's a sure bet that her 'Highness' will continuously spout her sanctimonious drivel in each and every thread posted in these forums. I sincerely think it might be due to massive amounts of hot air coming from an over inflated ego coupled with a nasty superiority complex.
I like that you can't attack any of Tippia's arguments so you just settle for insults.
I like how you try to step in and defend her *cough cough* honor. Tippia is quite capable of defending herself as well as attacking other players posted replies. The majority of her posting history shows she does that with extreme gusto at every opportunity. Maybe you should re-read my statement again, I said 'it might be due' and not 'it is due'.
FYI - In the past I've engaged in some discussions or 'arguments' pertaining to certain game mechanics and have found that it's a complete waste of time since neither I or Tippia will ever change our opinion / viewpoint.
Zirse wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:So you're young to unite all those people but leave wormhole alliances out of it? So Much for that balance you proposed. W-hole Alliances? Isn't W-Hole space the same as Null Sec or 0.0 Alliance space? I might be mistaken but I thought the 'Voice Of Reason Party' was a platform for independent corps, single player PvE careers, Industrialists, RP and high sec game mechanics? If not then I better go find another party. Although I would have to guess that someone who doesn't even know what wspace probably doesn't have much credibility to stand on in terms of game mechanics. I made a mistake and should have written it as : "W-hole Alliances? Isn't W-Hole Alliance Politics the same as Null Sec or 0.0 Alliance Politics?
Game Mechanics? I know quite a bit about various game mechanics that pertain to the activity's that I enjoy within the game. As for 'Credibility', I definitely have more of it to 'stand on' than you do.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
239
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:12:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:rodyas wrote:You should get a monocle Mittani, distract the lowly players from their drone region RMT worries. most of the stuff in the nex store is declasse
Maybe so, and your gonna have to wait longer for the worthy stuff to, if they do go the stripper pole route. Iceland has never had a king, so they dont know what classy things to put inside of it. Think the dutch have too much of an influence on them. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
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WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:21:00 -
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thank you for ruining the whole thread and going COMPLETELY off topic tippia, you just cant help yourself can you... |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
1773
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:27:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:thank you for ruining the whole thread and going COMPLETELY off topic tippia, you just cant help yourself can you...
On the bright side thanks to him something good and entertaining came from this otherwise horrible thread. |
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WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:28:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:thank you for ruining the whole thread and going COMPLETELY off topic tippia, you just cant help yourself can you... On the bright side thanks to him something good and entertaining came from this otherwise horrible thread.
you his alt arent you? cos your talking as much $hit as he does... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4746
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:30:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:thank you for ruining the whole thread and going COMPLETELY off topic tippia Perhaps you should actually read the thread. It's not like it was me who injected some unfounded and irrelevant claim into the whole thingGǪ
I know you have this irrational hatered for me that makes you say very silly things, but you're really stretching it now.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
472
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Tippa is a mad panda
I was also thinking of taking that screen capture of me face rolling you on pages 20 and 21, and making it into a downloadable desktop background PDF named "Sunshine and lollipops". Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
473
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:09:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:rodyas wrote:You should get a monocle Mittani, distract the lowly players from their drone region RMT worries. most of the stuff in the nex store is declasse
You seem a little attention starved in your last several posts here, is it because there is a threadnaught on the front page not focusing on you becoming prom queen? Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4747
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:27:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I came home to 23 likes, did that happen to everyone or am I just completely on fire here? What? You can actually make out a such a small difference in likes? That's fewer than I got on just the first page of this threadGǪ
Quote:I was also thinking of taking that screen capture of me face rolling you on pages 20 and 21 It's quite apparent that Gǣface rollingGǥ does not mean what you think it means, if that's the way you use itGǪ
By the way, are you ever going to provide any evidence to support your detailed claim about who does what where and under the auspices of whom? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
473
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I came home to 23 likes, did that happen to everyone or am I just completely on fire here? What? You can actually make out a such a small difference in likes? That's fewer than I got on just the first page of this threadGǪ Quote:I was also thinking of taking that screen capture of me face rolling you on pages 20 and 21 It's quite apparent that Gǣface rollingGǥ does not mean what you think it means, if that's the way you use itGǪ By the way, are you ever going to provide any evidence to support your detailed claim about who does what where and under the auspices of whom?
& T-shirts.... I can make Tippa got caught manipulating facts T-shirts! Photshop a little tear on your portrait and I can RMT my way to a new car down payment. WooT! Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Swearte Widfarend
Mortis Noir. Unforgiving.
22
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:35:00 -
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Ira Theos wrote:I'm surpised that anyone other than the Goons are even in the CSM. If the Mittani coordinated and allocated his troop's votes better, he could capture all the CSM seats.
Not very good at math?
Each account gets one vote. At worst, Goonswarm has 7565 accounts. (that's assuming each account has only one character in Goonswarm, which is probably a bad assumption).
It took around 2000 votes to get on CSM 6. At best, that's 3 seats on a council of 9. Actually, I think they got two, not three, but The Mittani also got like 5000 votes total. You do the math. It's not numerically likely that Goonswarm could completely control the CSM. Goonswarm, TEST, and the Technetium Bloc (Pandemic Legion/Ev0ke/Raiden/Northern Coalition.) might be able to claim 4-5 of the nine seats. I'd be surprised if they took 6. That leaves room for other well organized groups to gain a voice.
So organize, work within the system and get a candidate. Then, when you've voted and nothing you care about is brought to light in the CSM/CCP summits, you can complain like a good voter - one who participated. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4747
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:35:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I can make Tippa got caught manipulating facts T-shirts!! That would be false advertising, not to mention using my likeness without my permission, so no, you probably couldn't.
You do realise that you didn't actually caught me manipulating anything (for the simple reason that I never did), right?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
473
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I can make Tippa got caught manipulating facts T-shirts!! That would be false advertising, not to mention using my likeness without my permission, so no, you probably couldn't. You do realise that you didn't actually caught me manipulating anything (for the simple reason that I never did), right? Oh, and: are you ever going to provide any evidence to support your detailed claim about who does what where and under the auspices of whom?
Tippa what do you think?
Hmm... I probably should add a hyperlink to the T-Shirt's text so they can head strait to this thread and it's most relevant pages (20 & 21). You know? The very special part where you put words in my mouth and manipulated facts in order to win an argument? I then called you out on it, and then the queen of pyramid quotes could not come up with a proper quote of mine in order to validate her completely imaginary claims?
Ah yea... that was sweet. Defiantly worth a commemorating T-shirt IMHO.
P.S I am willing to change the text to "Can't let it go" or "Can't take loss gracefully" if you so desire. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4748
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:56:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tippa what do you think? I think that, just like with more or less everything you've said in this thread, you're making yet another claim that you cannot support. Par for the course, really.
Oh, and: are you ever going to provide any evidence to support your detailed claim about who does what where and under the auspices of whom? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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