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Felysta Sandorn
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2008.01.16 00:16:00 -
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Post with your main...
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Orgos Khenn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.16 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Post with your main...
Hi.
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Spyder1226
Scare Tactics Cult of War
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Posted - 2008.01.16 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Spyder1226 Seriously, has there been an official response to this thread? Did I miss it?
Nope
Thats what I thought, how can a post of over 1600 replies illude the CCP higher ups?
Could we at least get an update or a "Yes we are still working to fix amarr, thank you for your patience." Or even some feedback from a higher up?
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Ruciza
Minmatar The Feminists
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Posted - 2008.01.16 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ruciza on 16/01/2008 01:53:27 They know where Amarr needs a boost and have said so a million times. They consider Amarr fine, with only a few tweaks necessary. Their big problem is that it's difficult to communicate their design for Amarr to you, because you either do not want to fly it like that or cannot understand how the Amarr fleet wants to be flown. Imagine you have created a wonderful balance, but it's too difficult for many to understand. You can't go and tell your customers they're too stupid. That means with the Amarr boost they will tell you indirectly.
But don't expect a real buff of laser damage or something.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.16 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 16/01/2008 07:12:17
Originally by: Ruciza You can't go and tell your customers they're too stupid. That means with the Amarr boost they will tell you indirectly.
Why doesnt the balance dev show us some nice graphs and calculations comparing lasers to other weapons? Thats a good way of showing if its balanced or not, but they havent done this. Question is, are they working at all, are they too dumb to make such a graph or dont they care to do it?
Because sometimes i wonder if ANY calculations are behind nerfs/boosts/new ships considering abominations like eos and myrm dps and the nerfed status of lasers. -------------------------------------------
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PeacefullNub
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Posted - 2008.01.16 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ruciza
They know where Amarr needs a boost and have said so a million times. They consider Amarr fine, with only a few tweaks necessary.
Then its not big deal for them to say it another time in this thread. Maybe just to show some respect to 1600 posts threas and to all pps who posted here?
Originally by: Ruciza
Their big problem is that it's difficult to communicate their design for Amarr to you, because you either do not want to fly it like that or cannot understand how the Amarr fleet wants to be flown.
Its realy easy to comunicate. And it is essential for good gamedesigner to know gamers ideas and needs, just to create good game. If we (amarrs) dont whant to fly new design ships - this design is bad (for amarrs - maybe its good for caldary like khanid ships). If we (amarrs) cant understand their ballance - then ballance is broken (but maybe its good for another races to have heavily tanked easy frags). Becouse we fly this ships - not them. We can see how bad their designs in real combat and their balance in overall game situations.
Originally by: Ruciza
Imagine you have created a wonderful balance, but it's too difficult for many to understand. You can't go and tell your customers they're too stupid. That means with the Amarr boost they will tell you indirectly.
If they will call all amarr players stupid and show us facts and proofs of that - then we are indeed stupid. But if they cant (just like many ppls who said "amarrs fine, stop whinning")- then they are stupid, dont you think so? And looks like only players showed some proofs that amarr ships are broken.
Originally by: Ruciza
But don't expect a real buff of laser damage or something.
Do you tried to read this thread before posting nonsens like this? Or do you think that dps buff is only way to solve laser problem? Do you know what is laser problem btw? Lasers have problem with cap usage and with cap_reduction_bonus on ships. All other issues like tracking/em+termal damage/high fit reqs not essential. Of course they need some balancing - but only when cap usage and second ship bonus problems will be solved. I think that amarr problems only becouse ccp thinks your way: "amarrs are fine, they got nice_dps_on_paper so no buff for you. What, you dont need dps buff? You just stupid - everyone needs dps buff, we will just ignore you."
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.16 14:38:00 -
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Give promised oomph. -------------------------------------------
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Toxic Waster
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Posted - 2008.01.16 17:08:00 -
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bump
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Orgos Khenn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.16 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Toxic Waster bump
Why? Amarr suck. Fly something else. Thread over. ----In before Jonny JoJo turns this into an Amarr whine----
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PeacefullNub
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Posted - 2008.01.16 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: PeacefullNub on 16/01/2008 17:42:46 Becouse...
Originally by: Orgos Khenn
Amarr suck.
..and we need to..
Originally by: Orgos Khenn
Fly something else.
Thx for bumping this thread :)
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Tau Ceti Global Production SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.16 17:47:00 -
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are we seriously up to 55 pages and not one dev response?
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.16 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave are we seriously up to 55 pages and not one dev response?
Why would a dev want to reply to 55 pages of baseless whines? ________________________________________________________________
Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Tau Ceti Global Production SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.16 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Apocryphai
Originally by: EliteSlave are we seriously up to 55 pages and not one dev response?
Why would a dev want to reply to 55 pages of baseless whines?
wow, i guess your not an Amarr Pilot, Amarr absolutely suck at everything they do, besides capitals..
give us 5 reasons as to why Amarr are a Viable Race and i can give you 50 reasons as to why they are not.
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Orgos Khenn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.16 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Orgos Khenn on 16/01/2008 18:42:25
Originally by: EliteSlave give us 5 reasons as to why Amarr are a Viable Race and i can give you 50 reasons as to why they are not.
1) You can crosstrain Caldari ships. 2) You can crosstrain Gallente ships. 3) You can crosstrain Minmatar ships. 4) You can crosstrain ORE ships. 5) You can crosstrain.
Let's hear the 50 reasons and make them all entirely legitimate, entirely distinct, and well-typed, please.
ADDENDUM: Reason 6, as you pointed out yourself, is that Amarr capital ships are actually pretty damn good. So, let me throw that in there. ----In before Jonny JoJo turns this into an Amarr whine----
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Savant Hayt
Minmatar The Reich
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Posted - 2008.01.16 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Orgos Khenn Edited by: Orgos Khenn on 16/01/2008 18:42:25
Originally by: EliteSlave give us 5 reasons as to why Amarr are a Viable Race and i can give you 50 reasons as to why they are not.
1) You can crosstrain Caldari ships. 2) You can crosstrain Gallente ships. 3) You can crosstrain Minmatar ships. 4) You can crosstrain ORE ships. 5) You can crosstrain.
Let's hear the 50 reasons and make them all entirely legitimate, entirely distinct, and well-typed, please.
lol, the only good things about amarr is that they are in a game where u can train another race because they suck so hard?
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Tau Ceti Global Production SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.16 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Orgos Khenn Edited by: Orgos Khenn on 16/01/2008 18:42:25
Originally by: EliteSlave give us 5 reasons as to why Amarr are a Viable Race and i can give you 50 reasons as to why they are not.
1) You can crosstrain Caldari ships. 2) You can crosstrain Gallente ships. 3) You can crosstrain Minmatar ships. 4) You can crosstrain ORE ships. 5) You can crosstrain.
Let's hear the 50 reasons and make them all entirely legitimate, entirely distinct, and well-typed, please.
ADDENDUM: Reason 6, as you pointed out yourself, is that Amarr capital ships are actually pretty damn good. So, let me throw that in there.
None of these are Viable Reasons to fly Amarr Ships.
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PeacefullNub
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: PeacefullNub on 16/01/2008 20:51:11
Originally by: Orgos Khenn 5) You can crosstrain.
Wow! Now i see the light! We all must crosstrain! But wait a minute - we allready crosstrained different race and our native amarr ships still sucks. Oh Godly One - your sloution didnt helped - burn him! No, realy - do you seriously think that there is no difference betwin ignoring problem and trying to solve it? Maybe you tried to be original? I dissapoint you - youre not the first, and not the last TROLL in this thread.
Lets get back to constructive discussions (at least its better than simply bumping). I like to hear your thoughts about rebalancing amarr/gallente stealthbombers. I know that CCP loves missiles and tries to put them on every ship but... is there any way to use turrets on bombers (and what bonuses they must have for that role)? Or maybe just better bomb bonuses instead of cruises?
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Orgos Khenn Edited by: Orgos Khenn on 16/01/2008 18:42:25
Originally by: EliteSlave give us 5 reasons as to why Amarr are a Viable Race and i can give you 50 reasons as to why they are not.
1) You can crosstrain Caldari ships. 2) You can crosstrain Gallente ships. 3) You can crosstrain Minmatar ships. 4) You can crosstrain ORE ships. 5) You can crosstrain.
Let's hear the 50 reasons and make them all entirely legitimate, entirely distinct, and well-typed, please.
ADDENDUM: Reason 6, as you pointed out yourself, is that Amarr capital ships are actually pretty damn good. So, let me throw that in there.
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Aindrias
Amarr Labteck Corporation LTD. Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.01.17 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: Aindrias on 17/01/2008 07:48:29 First Page Please
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Yes, i will keep doing thing.. thank you and goodnight
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.17 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave are we seriously up to 55 pages and not one dev response?
Wich is funny, because they answer smaller issues then this normally. Atleast they used to. -------------------------------------------
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BekStorm
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Posted - 2008.01.17 08:49:00 -
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Edited by: BekStorm on 17/01/2008 08:49:31 CCP doesn't care about Amarr people
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PeacefullNub
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Posted - 2008.01.17 08:52:00 -
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I understand them in some case. Its much easier to avoid a problem and pretend that everything is fine, then admiting that you made a mistake and ignored it for 3,5 years. Even for selfrespect. So instead of fixing amarrs they tried to boost/nerf other races to fix game balance indirectly. Devs: Its realy no shame to admit your own fault. It takes more strenght to face a problem, then to simply close your eyes.
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HaulandHaul
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.17 13:43:00 -
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Now lets talk about the rediculous amount of range and tracking amarr has, shall we? *snip* Modifying another player's signature graphic to insult them is trolling. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) |
Felysta Sandorn
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: HaulandHaul Now lets talk about the rediculous amount of range and tracking amarr has, shall we?
You mean the shortest range they have for beams and the worst tracking they have for pulses?
Yeah, let's talk about that...
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Andreask14
Alterum - Infinitus - Fabula Dragons Of Oceans
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Posted - 2008.01.17 13:46:00 -
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I crosstrained to ORE because they are the best ships for the purpose they have and they were never nerfed, ever and never will be. Except for these declining mineral prices these days.
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Orlenda
Enterprise Shipyards Ltd.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 13:46:00 -
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One goes up, one goes down. And the cycle continues, etc.
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Dlardrageth
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.17 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Andreask14 I crosstrained to ORE because they are the best ships for the purpose they have and they were never nerfed, ever and never will be. Except for these declining mineral prices these days.
Indeed. Wait, this is totally IMBA regarding that we get the same chance to train for ships on par with ther other races! Let's nerf Amarr! Hard. Can't have those pesky Amarr flying not too many pre-nerfed ships...
Or alternatively give us an easy and decisive rebalancing. Amarr characters get a racial character bonus of 25% to any basic mining laser yield. We are the laser race, so there! But it will neither give us any extra DPS nor address the cap issues, no reason to whine "IMBA" for other races thus, eh? But that bonus will be useful even on Amarr ships. And to the incoming whines from other races...
You had your chance. You failed at playing Amarr. Tough luck...
Oh, wait. As if anything like this will ever happen. We are the smallest player race in EVE. Almost forgot, we thus contribute least to CCP's wallet... so better brace for the next Caldari buff... And don't expect any serious Dev response here on the forum. Last time they did take position it was like "NEXT" and a thread closed. Any more questions...?
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dlardrageth
Originally by: Andreask14 I crosstrained to ORE because they are the best ships for the purpose they have and they were never nerfed, ever and never will be. Except for these declining mineral prices these days.
Indeed. Wait, this is totally IMBA regarding that we get the same chance to train for ships on par with ther other races! Let's nerf Amarr! Hard. Can't have those pesky Amarr flying not too many pre-nerfed ships...
Or alternatively give us an easy and decisive rebalancing. Amarr characters get a racial character bonus of 25% to any basic mining laser yield. We are the laser race, so there! But it will neither give us any extra DPS nor address the cap issues, no reason to whine "IMBA" for other races thus, eh? But that bonus will be useful even on Amarr ships. And to the incoming whines from other races...
You had your chance. You failed at playing Amarr. Tough luck...
Oh, wait. As if anything like this will ever happen. We are the smallest player race in EVE. Almost forgot, we thus contribute least to CCP's wallet... so better brace for the next Caldari buff... And don't expect any serious Dev response here on the forum. Last time they did take position it was like "NEXT" and a thread closed. Any more questions...?
yes wallet seems to be more important then justice...hey its like the real world.
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Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.01.17 19:14:00 -
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Come on Devs!
We don`t give a damn about new graphics! Fix the game, or be the new SWG!
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Valadeya uthanaras
Killjoy.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 20:14:00 -
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While thinking about it last night several point came up to me as why amarr ship need basicly 2 thing:
A change in laser themselves And A change in ship that badly need it
why?
Its quite simple.
lets say all ship have a "theorical maximum number of slot - TMNX"
that number can be computed using the bonus of a ship.
For battleship:
thier 1
armageddon get 7*1.33+1 +3 +8 = 20.31 thyphoon get 8*1.25 +4 + 7 =21 dominix get 6*1.25 +5 + 7 = 19.5 + a sickly bonused and oversized drone bay scorpion have a fleet role based on mid slot.
In short, armageddon is considered decent, mainly because its in the middleground. its still need a laser bonus.
thier 2
apocalypse get 8 + 4 + 7 = 19 (the bonus it receive should be built in to begin with) tempest get 6*1.33*1.25 + 2 + 5 + 6 = 22.975 (WAY HIGHER THAN APOC) mega have 7*1.25 + 1 + 4 + 7 + 2 built in Tracking enhancer = 22.75 (WAY HIGHER AGAIN) raven 6*1.33 + 2 + 6 + 5 = 21 (WAY HIGHER AGAIN ...without factoring the flight time bonus, that should have been built in the missile to begin with)
APOCALYSPE need a lot of love, perhaps a optimal range bonus (worth of 2 tracking computer with range script)
THIER 3
ALL 22.... drone varies....hence why abaddon seem to be competitive......until you FACTOR THE OVERNERFED LASER
Laser need love because of 2 main thing:
the multiple hp/tank boost made them less and less competitive, while capless weapon got major oomph. simply put, you need more cap to kill a target when capless weaponry dont.....Abbaddon initial bonus (lol at the clueless 25%rof bonus it had at first) should have been proof enough...
The 50% capacitor overhaul was pointless and clueless too....
I need that cap to simply fire longer to the boosted Hp/resist with my laser they received a 50% bonus to their capacitor to tank more
CLUELESS is the only thing that came in mind at that point
when you are better fit blaster or autocannon on ship that have a bonus to laser to make them semi-decent:
punisher/prophecy/apocalypse.....
How come its hard to see how bad laser are....
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