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Verone	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:28:00 - [31] Originally by: Hikari Nakamuru [ It's not microscopic when you use the CTRL + LBUTTON + RBUTTON zoom. It's VERY noticeable and distracting. When you zoom out using the scroll wheel, the entire screen (not the UI) jinks around like a spider on *** spinning a web. Please See Here. >>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<**
Hikari Nakamuru Gallente Shugotenshi Genkuro	Posted - 2007.11.09 19:49:00 - [32] Originally by: CrayC Quote: The camera drones are suspended some distance from the ship. They attach to the ship by using a combination of an attractive magnetic force and repulsive electromechanical force, this also allows them to orbit the ship at any desired position. THIS is the reason for the swaying. Steady cam. They use them for making movies and can do all kinds of jinking, dancing and running around without the picture swaying around like a spiderc-rackbaby. And yes, that video about the spiders making webs on different drugs is what I meant when I referenced it earlier. There's no reason to not have an option to disable the camera sway. Given current technology and programming in Eve, there's no reason for the sway to be there. So c'mon devs, at least give us option to disable it. THat way people that like it can leave it in.
Sister Impotentata Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.09 20:44:00 - [33] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 09/11/2007 15:17:44 I want to be able to recall my camera drone to the dronebay Or set orbit! /signed. Being able to set an orbit, and knowing how far away this "camera drone" is, would be perhaps slightly helpful. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Hostess Deconstructing the Twinkie is like trying to deconstruct the universe.
Hikari Nakamuru Gallente Shugotenshi Genkuro	Posted - 2007.11.09 21:06:00 - [34] Yeah, better more informative camera controls would be nice. Maybe with the ability to preset some hotkeys with range, x.y.z locs, pitch and yaw.
bsspewer Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.09 21:27:00 - [35] does the camera drone detract from out drone bandwidth in trinity ? :) If you want more damage you have to go blind and sensor's only ? ____________________
Sister Impotentata Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:07:00 - [36] Originally by: bsspewer does the camera drone detract from out drone bandwidth in trinity ? :) If you want more damage you have to go blind and sensor's only ? You have no need of repeatability, so you're fired from this discussion. Naw j/k. It's friday and you were between the bank and the liquor store, so you got targetted. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Hostess Deconstructing the Twinkie is like trying to deconstruct the universe.
Hikari Nakamuru Gallente Shugotenshi Genkuro	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:15:00 - [37] C'mon devs, I'd really like an answer to this. Why is the camera sway still there when using the zoomed in camera? Can we please get an option to get rid of it?
Ixianus	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:15:00 - [38] ESC + Quit
Vaatzes xtort Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:19:00 - [39] Originally by: Hikari Nakamuru Originally by: Le Skunk the jovians SKUNK **** off. Serious discussion only please. This isn't CAOD. That seems pretty serious to me.
Hikari Nakamuru Gallente Shugotenshi Genkuro	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Ixianus ESC + Quit P.iss off.

Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.09 23:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Brutus Rotter This is a major concern imo, that and the broken gyro on my Rifter, it even sways about in station. It's seriouly making me sea sick. Have you tried applying spit and ductape? It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Missy X	Posted - 2007.11.10 01:05:00 - [42] I think there should be more sway, not less. At the moment camera drones feel not enough like an actual camera drone orbiting your ship and too much like zooming in and out on a monitor screen. I'd also like to see camera drones get affected by enemy AOE attacks (like webs for instance) as well as the possiblity for them to break down or malfunction, also perhaps some more visual artefacts to reinforce the idea that you are looking through a camera drone lens. At the moment camera drones feel like convenient excuse-making for a third person view of the ship rather than a physical object and concept properly realised. Maybe this will change with the upcoming graphics upgrade? Probably not though. If they're going to make anything optional, I think it should be a first person view. Now that would be nice. Sometimes I get a bug where my ship is invisible and it feels first-person then, that's kinda cool. When combined with the other bug that gets rid of the too-bright too-messy nebula (another feature begging for optional switch-off, I hope and pray the graphical update brings this), EVE starts to actually feel really atmospheric.
Geren Basbar Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2007.11.10 02:05:00 - [43] The sway is to make the view look natural. If it were static you would be complaining how it feels static and rigid. DirectMusic files do the same thing with various instruments. It introduces several millisecond inaccuracies to help make the music sound less artificial.
Sister Impotentata Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.10 02:28:00 - [44] Edited by: Sister Impotentata on 10/11/2007 02:29:18 Originally by: Hikari Nakamuru Originally by: Ixianus ESC + Quit P.iss off. Remember how I said that it's a shame people mistake your question for a whine? How I seemed somewhat sympathetic to your plight? This is a forum, and a fairly lighthearted one at that. Every time you react to a nonsensical response with hostility is another shovelful of dirt in this topic's grave. No Free Lunch, chief. You want an answer from the devs? If I were a dev I'd avoid this topic like the plague right now. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Hostess Deconstructing the Twinkie is like trying to deconstruct the universe.
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.10 03:45:00 - [45] Originally by: Hikari Nakamuru Steady cam. They use them for making movies and can do all kinds of jinking, dancing and running around without the picture swaying around like a spiderc-rackbaby. When was the last time you saw a steady cam for movie-making floating around in space, held in a somewhat stable position by magnetic forces? Never? Right, don't compare them then
Hikari Nakamuru Gallente Shugotenshi Genkuro	Posted - 2007.11.10 04:15:00 - [46] Originally by: Impotent Wench Remember how I said that it's a shame people mistake your question for a whine? How I seemed somewhat sympathetic to your plight? This is a forum, and a fairly lighthearted one at that. Every time you react to a nonsensical response with hostility is another shovelful of dirt in this topic's grave. No Free Lunch, chief. You want an answer from the devs? If I were a dev I'd avoid this topic like the plague right now. I don't give a damn. People can go post in a goon thread in the CAOD if they wanna joke around and make stupid arsed replies to serious topics. Originally by: CrayC When was the last time you saw a steady cam for movie-making floating around in space, held in a somewhat stable position by magnetic forces? Never? Right, don't compare them then The technology and programming behind the camera drones would be far better than the steadycams we have today. It's stupid to have the sway in the game, especially since it gets horribly exaggerated for no reason when using different zooms.
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.11.10 05:19:00 - [47] This thread topic is the epitome of asinine. Very good Hikari, that's very hard to achieve. Originally by: Slayton Ford a Drake is normally primaried last And that's why I love that homely boat!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.11.10 05:39:00 - [48] Originally by: Hikari Nakamuru The technology and programming behind the camera drones would be far better than the steadycams we have today. It's stupid to have the sway in the game, especially since it gets horribly exaggerated for no reason when using different zooms. Its a game. Its not very realistic. example: why are concord drone found freely attacking players in belt in high sec with no concord intervention example: why, in this world of the future, can i not access market prices in the system next to me because its in a different region. Yet I can convo someoone and ask them to pass the information on . Why cannot this be automated. example: why in this world of the future are we reduced to bumping ships off stations/gates like a giant game of conkers many many others. Oh - and trying to circumvent the swear filter gets you ban stick SKUNK
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.10 05:56:00 - [49] Originally by: Hikari Nakamuru Originally by: CrayC When was the last time you saw a steady cam for movie-making floating around in space, held in a somewhat stable position by magnetic forces? Never? Right, don't compare them then The technology and programming behind the camera drones would be far better than the steadycams we have today. It's stupid to have the sway in the game, especially since it gets horribly exaggerated for no reason when using different zooms. Okay, I'll take this a bit further... A steady-cam in this age, is mounted on a solid object. That solid object may be moving around, but the relative moments are fairly small. The steady-cam does sway, like the camera drones, but it is neglible and not easy to spot with the naked eye. In the future that is EVE, the camera is again mounted on a solid object. However, that object is floating around inside a magnetic field, sometimes hundreds of kilometers from the ship it belongs to. Even though technology has come a long way, it has not been perfected. You are literally pushing AND pulling an object at the same time. If you know anything about magnetic fields, you would know that they are not "solid" or "static" or whatever you want to call it. They can be changed by lots of things and since you have two fields working against each other, there's bound to be some conflict. Hence the swaying of the drone. Now, had the camera drone been mounted on a pole attached to your ship, you could expect a more steady view, as it would always be following the motion of your ship. But since it is not, it is only natural that it sways. Just like the steady-cam does sway a bit, so does the camera drone. But since it is on a much bigger scale, the sway is more easily seen. And if you take that steady-cam and zoom in max on something far away, I bet you will notice it swaying a lot more than when not zoomed. So, you want to go further into the technological aspects of an imaginary cameradrone and how it works, or do you want to accept that it sways and there's nothing you can do about it, because it's a feature, not a bug?
Hikari Nakamuru Gallente Shugotenshi Genkuro	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:14:00 - [50] I'm pretty sure the screen isn't supposed to shake as badly as it does. It's an artifact, a bug, when zoomed in because CCP didn't think it through when they added that zoom in for some reason. I just want to turn it off so I can play the game using that zoom. Assume \| & \| are the edges of the screen. The sway is so bed that a ship in the center of the screen can drift almost out of view and if you warp while zoomed like that, it looks like an epileptic having a fit. \|____[]____\| \|_[]_______\| \|_______[]_\| That's how bad the camera moves around. It's a bug due to the scaling methods CCP uses, which horribly exaggerates the tiny camera sway in game when using the default view.

Sister Impotentata Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Hikari Nakamuru it looks like an epileptic having a fit. Now that's just crass and blatantly offensive. Epileptics suffer seizures. Children throw fits, example. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Hostess Deconstructing the Twinkie is like trying to deconstruct the universe.
Hikari Nakamuru Gallente Shugotenshi Genkuro	Posted - 2007.11.10 22:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Sister Impotentata Originally by: Hikari Nakamuru it looks like an epileptic having a fit. Now that's just crass and blatantly offensive. Epileptics suffer seizures. Children throw fits, example. It's also called an epileptic fit. And I really don't care whether you think it's crass or offensive. So bugger off unless you're here to discuss the issues with the camera zoom and its exaggerated motion.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.11.10 23:14:00 - [53] Originally by: Freddy Kuger Un friggin believable, have people got so sad they have to whine about the microscopic camera movement now? Not to really offend the OP, but QFT Seriously, there are way bigger things to fix that CCP has on the table. - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Hikari Nakamuru Gallente Shugotenshi Genkuro	Posted - 2007.11.10 23:19:00 - [54] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari Originally by: Freddy Kuger Un friggin believable, have people got so sad they have to whine about the microscopic camera movement now? Not to really offend the OP, but QFT Seriously, there are way bigger things to fix that CCP has on the table. Now is actually the perfect time to discuss this camera issue since they're working on a new graphic engine. And once again, it is far from microscopic when using the zoomed in camera angles. Unless you've tried it yourself in various aspects of the game, while fighting, at a station, or warping... Get out of the thread. You obviously don't have a clue.


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