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Mighty Baz
HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 07:38:00 -
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From historical point of view the battleship can use all types of guns on the board, from large to small sizes. Why our BS cannot do the same. It means that standard gun fit could be increasing...for example
Megathron** current fit: 7x large,2 x torp
proposed fit: 7x large,2 x torp 14x medium, 4x cruise 21x small, 8x heavy or light In fact the battleship becames real battleship ingame. It couldnt be possible to destroy it by frigates...or smaller ships too easy
battlecruiser Myrmidon 6x med 12x small etc, etc
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Mighty Baz
HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 07:38:00 -
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From historical point of view the battleship can use all types of guns on the board, from large to small sizes. Why our BS cannot do the same. It means that standard gun fit could be increasing...for example
Megathron** current fit: 7x large,2 x torp
proposed fit: 7x large,2 x torp 14x medium, 4x cruise 21x small, 8x heavy or light In fact the battleship becames real battleship ingame. It couldnt be possible to destroy it by frigates...or smaller ships too easy
battlecruiser Myrmidon 6x med 12x small etc, etc
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sg3s
Caldari O.W.N. Corp FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mighty Baz
In fact the battleship becames real battleship ingame. It couldnt be possible to destroy it by frigates...or smaller ships too easy
I feel a stong griefing carebear here, the exact reason it is not allowed is becouse it would be too easy for a battleship to kill the smaller ships.... and hey you can fit smaller guns on your battleship... But only up until your allowed slots.
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sg3s
Caldari O.W.N. Corp FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mighty Baz
In fact the battleship becames real battleship ingame. It couldnt be possible to destroy it by frigates...or smaller ships too easy
I feel a stong griefing carebear here, the exact reason it is not allowed is becouse it would be too easy for a battleship to kill the smaller ships.... and hey you can fit smaller guns on your battleship... But only up until your allowed slots.
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Mighty Baz
HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 07:48:00 -
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really? look at dread like a moros, It's totally useless as a strong combat ship if it is attacted by smaller ships. 10x BS (with current fit) kill it without any problems... ______________________________________________
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Mighty Baz
HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 07:48:00 -
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really? look at dread like a moros, It's totally useless as a strong combat ship if it is attacted by smaller ships. 10x BS (with current fit) kill it without any problems... ______________________________________________
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high star
EARLS OF MAELSTROM
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Posted - 2007.11.09 07:57:00 -
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you cannot compare a dread or any capital ship to the other ships in the game. the capital ship are designed to need support ships when in combat. A dread is designed to take down pos'es and station not Battleships, just like a battleship is designed not to take out frigates, thats what the cruisers and destroyers are there for.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.09 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mighty Baz From historical point of view the battleship can use all types of guns on the board, from large to small sizes. Why our BS cannot do the same. It means that standard gun fit could be increasing...for example
Megathron** current fit: 7x large,2 x torp
proposed fit: 7x large,2 x torp 14x medium, 4x cruise 21x small, 8x heavy or light In fact the battleship becames real battleship ingame. It couldnt be possible to destroy it by frigates...or smaller ships too easy
battlecruiser Myrmidon 6x med 12x small etc, etc
Because a 24 medium pulse Abaddon does 1500 dps before drones... A hyperion up to 1952 dps.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mighty Baz From historical point of view the battleship can use all types of guns on the board, from large to small sizes. Why our BS cannot do the same. It means that standard gun fit could be increasing...for example
Megathron** current fit: 7x large,2 x torp
proposed fit: 7x large,2 x torp 14x medium, 4x cruise 21x small, 8x heavy or light In fact the battleship becames real battleship ingame. It couldnt be possible to destroy it by frigates...or smaller ships too easy
battlecruiser Myrmidon 6x med 12x small etc, etc
If you do that, there is no reason to fly smaller ships. You'd need huge penalties to offset this. It could work if you gave BS for example the maneuvring of a freighter, and make it warp at 0.7 AU/second like freighters as well. Maybe even require fuel to fly. Under the current system you would end up with a zillion BS and a few interceptors/interdictors to tackle, all the other ships would be obsolete since there is no trade-off. Since you are comparing it to RL, the reason the US Navy doesn't have a ton of BS (or a ton of Carriers) is that there are some pretty serious constraints in terms of money, manpower and maintenance cost to build and maintain so many big ships. Those constraints are absent in Eve atm, so in this case 'realism' must be set aside for the sake of game balance. ------------------------------------------------
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Mighty Baz
HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
If you do that, there is no reason to fly smaller ships... Those constraints are absent in Eve atm, so in this case 'realism' must be set aside for the sake of game balance.
hehe I dont think so, if frigates or other smaller ship will be focusing on some special abilities like recons or new one frigs (rev 3) ______________________________________________
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Adunh Slavy
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 09:19:00 -
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Although this idea is interesting it may have lots of balance breaking potential as point defense munitions have never been represented in Eve before, such a thing has never had to be balanced. Although some sort of point defense system against drones, other than smart bombs, would fill an empty niche, but thatĘs a bit off topic.
/curious
-AS
The Real Space Initiative
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.11.09 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Eleana Tomelac on 09/11/2007 10:38:22 The idea is interesting, but I would like to point you to the damage increase between weapon sizes :
Looking at blasters (because the electron/ion/neutron makes it easy to show) : As I only want to compare, small ammo does 1 damage, medium 2, large 4 (because it is the actual multipliers between weapon sizes) : (name : dmg mod, rof, ammo damage => damage index)
light electron blaster II : 2.1, 2, 1 => 1.05 heavy electron blaster II : 2.1, 3, 2 => 1.4 (+33% to small) Electron blaster cannon II : 2.1, 4.5, 4 => 1.87 (+33% to medium, +78% to small)
light ion blaster II : 3.375, 3, 1 => 1.125 Heavy ion blaster II : 3.375, 4.5, 2 => 1.5 (+33% to small) Ion blaster cannon II : 3.375, 6.75, 4 => 2 (+33% to medium, +78% to small)
No need to show neutrons, it is same.
So, I mount 7 large or 14 medium or 21 small on a megathron? 7 large ion is 14 firepower. (with 25% bonus on large, it is still only : 17.5) 14 medium is 21 firepower. 21 small is 23.625 firepower.
You just created the new super short range gank setup, efficient against all opponents at all speed!
The turret size system is really not made for such multiple smaller size turrets mounting in a larger slot. if we could only do this : 14 small instead of 7 large, it would do 15.75 in damage index... It is still high but higher than the base firepower of the BS (with skills at 0, but slightly lower than the skill at 5). It still sounds wrong...
PS : cruise launchers are large, heavy launchers are medium, assault launchers are medium too... -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast !
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Alexei Stryker
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Posted - 2007.11.09 15:06:00 -
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Well... This idea could function if the capacitor needs of guns are added exponentially... So if you fit and use all guns at the same time, you would be out of cap in a matter of seconds... A BS without cap cant shoot nor warp and is a helpless victim for frigates...
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.11.09 15:25:00 -
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Just another thought about this :
Look what are dueal 250mm railguns and dual 150mm railguns appart from the signature resolution, they are exactly what you ask for. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast !
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Jahria Jaeger
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 09:35:00 -
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heheh, It seems the your battleships would be a biggest dmg dealers ingame...better to use is replacing guns, e.g. 7 x large = 21 x small or sth like that...the same dps but very useful against smaller ships...why not, nice idea, but more slots must be allowed
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Koval
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.11.12 12:25:00 -
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I support the idea of a better anti-frig defence for large ships but it must be reasonable. IMHO it could be done much easier, let's say by inventing a proper bs size anti-frig weapons. Quad 125mm railgun with good tracking and moderate damage sounds good to me. Fitting 2 of those would make a battleship capable of defending against small ships, and it would still have 5-6 hislots for other large weapons. This BS would loose 1v1 against the same BS with it's standard guns, but it would be more versalite.
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Stakhanov
The Good Fellas
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Posted - 2007.11.12 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mighty Baz look at dread like a moros, It's totally useless as a strong combat ship if it is attacted by smaller ships.
rofl
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Naviset
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Posted - 2007.11.12 12:51:00 -
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This whole topic is lol.
No
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try
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Posted - 2007.11.12 13:36:00 -
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You can fit you BS with small guns, no problem at all there. Yeah, that will mean you won't be able to kill BS, but you will be able to kill frigs.
The devs just balanced (or nerfed if you prefer) the carriers and motherships because they were a jack of all trades. And now you suggest BS's become a jack of all trades. I don't see that happening
You have to chose you role, you can't have it all.
Besides, if you refer to RL battleships, they don't have 8 large guns. The few I've seen have 3 or 4. Yeah, each gun might have 4 barrels, but a dual 250 rail also has 2 barrels, but is 1 gun since it can only shoot at one target at a time.
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