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Korran Minare
Gallente Spaced Cowboys
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:56:00 -
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have you ever heard of the phrase "all your eggs in one basket", it will burn you down every freakin time
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Korran Minare
Gallente Spaced Cowboys
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:56:00 -
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have you ever heard of the phrase "all your eggs in one basket", it will burn you down every freakin time
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Verone
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:57:00 -
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=)
>>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic 1. As a producer, you should be prepared for market volatility, maybe you should have diversified a bit instead of sinking your entire investment into carrier production. You got screwed over, but it's not CCP's fault any more than it is the Stock Market's fault for a bad investment.
Also, since carriers are now completely useless I'll be happy to take all of your carrier production-related stuff. Obviously you won't need it anymore, right?
Its a fair point and you are indeed correct. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and if I could turn the clock back I would. I simply don't have the will to try again. My remaining character will have all the assets and I hope in time they will be of use again.
But at the moment I have characters that have been trained to build capital ships and they are simply not needed. There is an oversupply of capital ships and most T1 ships as well. No point in paying real money to keep them building thin air.
As people adapt, as they always seem to do in Eve, then maybe carriers will become needed but with 10,000 of them out there I fear it will be sometime before there that happens.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.09 21:59:00 -
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I'll give you 200m for a Carrier to help you get back on your feet if you'd like. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets. |
Sister Impotentata
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:00:00 -
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There are Robber Barons, and there are Captains of Industry. And somewhere at the ends, are the poor souls who, as the bell curve predicts, made all the wrong decisions. That's you man. Don't be ashamed and rest on your laurels. We all have setbacks. Make it a learning experience. You've learned the lean end of the curve. Now explore the rich end. You have the resources better than anyone. ----- TANSTAAFL
Originally by: Hostess Deconstructing the Twinkie is like trying to deconstruct the universe.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:01:00 -
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I will buy every carrier and capital ship related BPO you own for 50% off NPC sell price. You could then expand your business into other areas, but if you are really just going to quit, just contract it to me for free.
Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread |
Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar The Tal'Shiar
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tressin Khiyne on 09/11/2007 22:03:00 You fail at EVE -- Not the other way around.
P.S. I'll take those carriers off your hands for ya. But you have me convinced their worthless, so I can only give you 7 isk a piece for them. --
There are 10 kinds of people in this world; Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Baleur How can you complain that carriers are useless, BEFORE the change has affected the market? Geez, chill down a bit and just keep making those ships, keep selling em. And dont tell me you wont make a profit, dont tell me its useless. lol
I suggest you check the market and contracts. Plenty of supply, some demand. Lots of folks selling their carriers and competing with producers. Others holding on to their ISK to buy a new T2 BS etc.
It take a **** load of hauling and time to make a carrier. Simply not worth the effort at the moment. Who knows that the future will bring, but right now, its pointless.
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente Pheonix Reborn
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Baleur How can you complain that carriers are useless, BEFORE the change has affected the market? Geez, chill down a bit and just keep making those ships, keep selling em. And dont tell me you wont make a profit, dont tell me its useless. lol
I suggest you check the market and contracts. Plenty of supply, some demand. Lots of folks selling their carriers and competing with producers. Others holding on to their ISK to buy a new T2 BS etc.
It take a **** load of hauling and time to make a carrier. Simply not worth the effort at the moment. Who knows that the future will bring, but right now, its pointless.
So its not about the change, more about the fact the carrier market is over saturated.
You can mkae capitals, build dreads! ______________________________
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn I will buy every carrier and capital ship related BPO you own for 50% off NPC sell price. You could then expand your business into other areas, but if you are really just going to quit, just contract it to me for free.
Your simply too kind and it would be wrong of me to take you up on such a generous offer.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: Tarminic on 09/11/2007 22:07:47
Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Baleur How can you complain that carriers are useless, BEFORE the change has affected the market? Geez, chill down a bit and just keep making those ships, keep selling em. And dont tell me you wont make a profit, dont tell me its useless. lol
I suggest you check the market and contracts. Plenty of supply, some demand. Lots of folks selling their carriers and competing with producers. Others holding on to their ISK to buy a new T2 BS etc.
It take a **** load of hauling and time to make a carrier. Simply not worth the effort at the moment. Who knows that the future will bring, but right now, its pointless.
Once again, why can't you liquidate your carrier BPOs and purchase Roqual/Freighter/Dread BPOs instead of throwing up your hands in defeat? I'm sure the supply you won't be producing will be fulfilled by more competent competition.
Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn I will buy every carrier and capital ship related BPO you own for 50% off NPC sell price. You could then expand your business into other areas, but if you are really just going to quit, just contract it to me for free.
Your simply too kind and it would be wrong of me to take you up on such a generous offer.
Unwilling to put your money where your mouth is, I see. That's how it usually goes. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare |
Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Afreeq Edited by: Afreeq on 09/11/2007 21:53:25
stuff ...
Put the blame where it belongs, on yourself, not CCP!
Well CCP created the monster, I just fed it. Some you win some you lose, this time I lost big.
But lets be honest, the nerf is a rather large one and affects not just the pilots who spent 500mil on skills and months training but also on people like me.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Minerva Vulcan I'll give you 200m for a Carrier to help you get back on your feet if you'd like.
Mmmm, tempting, I will get back to you if I need the ISK.
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Atomic Eyez Well after many years in the game its time to cut back.
I have cancelled this account and will be down to one account by the end of the year. I have not seen my business partner for 2 weeks I think he quit or lost interest. Why you ask? If you didn't move on to next topic.
Cos you offer me nothing in the next or future patch's. I am an industrialist. Nothing more nothing less. I don't care too much for PVP, I like to build things and I let other people blow them up.
My business partner and I invested all we had into carrier production. We trained skills bought an extra account and now have over 30bil worth of usless blueprints for ships that no one wants and skills that are worse than useless.
We have no real ISK and no prospect of earning much with our skills, all we earned went back into more blueprints etc. We can not invest in the new T2 ships as we don't have the skills and to be honest no longer trust CCP. We got burned once, not risking it again.
In fact thats what it boils down to, trust. You gave us the sandbox to make the game and now you don't like what we done you kick the damn sand in our face and change the rules.
You care little for the guys who spent months training to fly ships that are now worse than useless and think nothing of those who spent months of training and billions of ISK trying to make something wothwhile. I figure our little venture cost us around 30bil others I know have spent 2 or 3 times that.
I no longer have the inclination to attempt to try and plan for the future in Eve when you show so much contempt for the customer.
I will still enjoy my 1 account. I may not be on as much as I used to. I figure I can earn enough so that I don't even have to use real money to pay to play as I can simply buy a GTC.
CCP have done nothing for the small industrial player. All this effort into new T2 ships that only a fraction of the player base will be able to afford. T2 freighters that should have been Tier 2. New graphics engine that will sure look good on the advertising blurb you make but will make no diffenence to the average player.
You have not nerfed the carriers and drone ships you have obliterated them out of existance.
My suspened accounts will simply sit their with a long skill and when/if you give me something of interest then I may activate them.
Ah jeez man. Carriers have been changed, they're hardly "useless". Now they're fleet ships not solopwnmobiles so much as they were. It's not the end of the world.
Don't quit. That's not what this game is about.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Lorette
Gallente Grandma's WIth Guns
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:37:00 -
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Wah river of tears detected, when i quit i just put on some 30day+ skills and used my spare cash to get 200+ days of GTC.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain You make enough logging on once a week to run an account off of and then some and you're *****ing about how CCP has bankrupted you?
Oh my god, the carebear delusions completely astonish me sometimes. You need to be blown up more often.
At the moment I lot on most nights. Spend lots of time hauling stuff. Spend more time managing around 30 factories. Then I got to move stuff to low sec when the pirates sleep so I got to get up at 6am to do that.
In the future I will not be on as long, but will do missions, chat with mates and chew the cud. Will be more fun I think, but only 1 account to worry about will make life so much easier. All I got to do is make 400mil every 3 months and my RP's will take care of most of that. Assuming CCP don't neft RP's.
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:44:00 -
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Bye.
DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale!
THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES! |
Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Atomic Eyez Well after many years in the game its time to cut back.
I have cancelled this account and will be down to one account by the end of the year. I have not seen my business partner for 2 weeks I think he quit or lost interest. Why you ask? If you didn't move on to next topic.
Cos you offer me nothing in the next or future patch's. I am an industrialist. Nothing more nothing less. I don't care too much for PVP, I like to build things and I let other people blow them up.
My business partner and I invested all we had into carrier production. We trained skills bought an extra account and now have over 30bil worth of usless blueprints for ships that no one wants and skills that are worse than useless.
We have no real ISK and no prospect of earning much with our skills, all we earned went back into more blueprints etc. We can not invest in the new T2 ships as we don't have the skills and to be honest no longer trust CCP. We got burned once, not risking it again.
In fact thats what it boils down to, trust. You gave us the sandbox to make the game and now you don't like what we done you kick the damn sand in our face and change the rules.
You care little for the guys who spent months training to fly ships that are now worse than useless and think nothing of those who spent months of training and billions of ISK trying to make something wothwhile. I figure our little venture cost us around 30bil others I know have spent 2 or 3 times that.
I no longer have the inclination to attempt to try and plan for the future in Eve when you show so much contempt for the customer.
I will still enjoy my 1 account. I may not be on as much as I used to. I figure I can earn enough so that I don't even have to use real money to pay to play as I can simply buy a GTC.
CCP have done nothing for the small industrial player. All this effort into new T2 ships that only a fraction of the player base will be able to afford. T2 freighters that should have been Tier 2. New graphics engine that will sure look good on the advertising blurb you make but will make no diffenence to the average player.
You have not nerfed the carriers and drone ships you have obliterated them out of existance.
My suspened accounts will simply sit their with a long skill and when/if you give me something of interest then I may activate them.
Ah jeez man. Carriers have been changed, they're hardly "useless". Now they're fleet ships not solopwnmobiles so much as they were. It's not the end of the world.
Don't quit. That's not what this game is about.
I am not quiting. Just closing some accounts that serve no purpose, for the time being.
I am taking a break from all the **** that goes into building carriers.
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Atomic Eyez Well after many years in the game its time to cut back.
I have cancelled this account and will be down to one account by the end of the year. I have not seen my business partner for 2 weeks I think he quit or lost interest. Why you ask? If you didn't move on to next topic.
Cos you offer me nothing in the next or future patch's. I am an industrialist. Nothing more nothing less. I don't care too much for PVP, I like to build things and I let other people blow them up.
My business partner and I invested all we had into carrier production. We trained skills bought an extra account and now have over 30bil worth of usless blueprints for ships that no one wants and skills that are worse than useless.
We have no real ISK and no prospect of earning much with our skills, all we earned went back into more blueprints etc. We can not invest in the new T2 ships as we don't have the skills and to be honest no longer trust CCP. We got burned once, not risking it again.
In fact thats what it boils down to, trust. You gave us the sandbox to make the game and now you don't like what we done you kick the damn sand in our face and change the rules.
You care little for the guys who spent months training to fly ships that are now worse than useless and think nothing of those who spent months of training and billions of ISK trying to make something wothwhile. I figure our little venture cost us around 30bil others I know have spent 2 or 3 times that.
I no longer have the inclination to attempt to try and plan for the future in Eve when you show so much contempt for the customer.
I will still enjoy my 1 account. I may not be on as much as I used to. I figure I can earn enough so that I don't even have to use real money to pay to play as I can simply buy a GTC.
CCP have done nothing for the small industrial player. All this effort into new T2 ships that only a fraction of the player base will be able to afford. T2 freighters that should have been Tier 2. New graphics engine that will sure look good on the advertising blurb you make but will make no diffenence to the average player.
You have not nerfed the carriers and drone ships you have obliterated them out of existance.
My suspened accounts will simply sit their with a long skill and when/if you give me something of interest then I may activate them.
Ah jeez man. Carriers have been changed, they're hardly "useless". Now they're fleet ships not solopwnmobiles so much as they were. It's not the end of the world.
Don't quit. That's not what this game is about.
I am not quiting. Just closing some accounts that serve no purpose, for the time being.
I am taking a break from all the **** that goes into building carriers.
Ah well fair enough. Sometimes EvE can get a bit like a job, and like any other job you need a break now and then.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic 1. As a producer, you should be prepared for market volatility, maybe you should have diversified a bit instead of sinking your entire investment into carrier production. You got screwed over, but it's not CCP's fault any more than it is the Stock Market's fault for a bad investment.
There's a reason why companies IRL diversify their products/services/outputs even when starting out and their main product/service isnt stable yet. Its to allow the company to survive when any one of their products/services hit bottom. -
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Danzig256k
Caldari Mortal Devastating Kin
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Danzig256k on 09/11/2007 23:13:34 looking from a buyer's point of view, i look forward to potential price drop on carriers after the patch :)
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Originally by: Tarminic 1. As a producer, you should be prepared for market volatility, maybe you should have diversified a bit instead of sinking your entire investment into carrier production. You got screwed over, but it's not CCP's fault any more than it is the Stock Market's fault for a bad investment.
There's a reason why companies IRL diversify their products/services/outputs even when starting out and their main product/service isnt stable yet. Its to allow the company to survive when any one of their products/services hit bottom.
I know. But being this is a game and not real life and real money I figured they would rejoice in the success of the capital industry and not screw it.
So I got it wrong, as did the poor sods who trained the skills for a ship that no longer serves the purpose people trained it for. We got burnt. Time to move on.
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Danzig256k looking from a buyer's point of view, i look for to potential price drop on carriers after the patch :)
Where there are losers there will be winners. Lucky you, poor me.
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Atomic Eyez
Originally by: Tarminic 1. As a producer, you should be prepared for market volatility, maybe you should have diversified a bit instead of sinking your entire investment into carrier production. You got screwed over, but it's not CCP's fault any more than it is the Stock Market's fault for a bad investment.
Also, since carriers are now completely useless I'll be happy to take all of your carrier production-related stuff. Obviously you won't need it anymore, right?
Its a fair point and you are indeed correct. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and if I could turn the clock back I would. I simply don't have the will to try again. My remaining character will have all the assets and I hope in time they will be of use again.
But at the moment I have characters that have been trained to build capital ships and they are simply not needed. There is an oversupply of capital ships and most T1 ships as well. No point in paying real money to keep them building thin air.
As people adapt, as they always seem to do in Eve, then maybe carriers will become needed but with 10,000 of them out there I fear it will be sometime before there that happens.
Uhm, it sounds like you low sec. Go back to hi-sec and make ships and other stuff there. I have the ability to buy low priced goods in one system and sell them for 10x the amount I paid in another system. If I can do that with simple buying and selling, you cut me out of the loop and you can make lots of isk. ________________________
Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
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Caiman Graystock
The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:17:00 -
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That is a recipe for disaster and confusion
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CapitaneInterbutts
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:31:00 -
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Oh you moron.
Carriers will still be required for alliance warfare. Carriers will still be used daily. Carriers will still be lost daily. Carriers will still be bought for the exact price they are now. They are in no way shape or form useless, nor are the blueprints that build them.
Stop whining like a little *****.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 09/11/2007 23:33:33
Originally by: Verone =)
is this you?
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Pitt Bull
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:34:00 -
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Oh you're leaving?
Originally by: iiOs can I have your stuff?
I'm newer, me first!!
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Atomic Eyez
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: CapitaneInterbutts Oh you moron.
Carriers will still be required for alliance warfare. Carriers will still be used daily. Carriers will still be lost daily. Carriers will still be bought for the exact price they are now. They are in no way shape or form useless, nor are the blueprints that build them.
Stop whining like a little *****.
You are a tad rude and ignorant but we get all types in eve.
At the moment a carrier is used for many things by many people such as hauler, PVP'ers, Ratter and a fleet support ship.
Sure they will still be used as a fleet support ship and some will die.
At the moment however there is a huge surplus of ships and there will be more as folks sell them on as they won't be able to use them for the purpose they intended. You see my ignorant poster, you lack the common sense to check the market, contracts to see that there are 100's of carriers for sale at the moment, and there will be more as the patch approaches.
Very few carriers I sold were sold for Alliance Warefare. It will be many months before the market recovers and with so many corps now making them there will not be a supply problem.
You sir are the moron and I award you a moron hat to wear when you start class on Monday morning.
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