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Serge Bastana GWA Corp 67	Posted - 2012.01.30 01:28:00 - [61] - Quote Nooma K'Larr wrote: Serge Bastana wrote: If you unsub over some exploded pixels, this game was never meant for you. Those exploded pixels translate into lost ISK, and lost ISK translates into lost resources and game time both in the grind and in the potential to buy/sell PLEX. It's more than just a pretty explosion....but I'm sure that is all you get out of it on your end. Well I don't grind that much these days and I tend not to fly anything that takes too long to replace, even if it does cost 100 mill +. I've used my abilities to figure out how to reduce the grind for ISK, partially by getting out of high sec so much and partially by not making myself a target for gankers. I feel the loss when I lose a ship the same as anyone else but I don't threaten to unsub over it, I pick myself up, learn from the lesson and move on. It seems that faculty is lacking in some people. Sorry if the game is such a grind for you, really I am. /facebrick for those times when /facepalm just isn't enough
Jack Carrigan Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order 501	Posted - 2012.01.30 01:29:00 - [62] - Quote Nooma K'Larr wrote: Jack Carrigan wrote: Working as intended. Ganking fuels industry, which balances the economy. Next whining carebear. Ganking reduces subs. Working as intended? Constant ****ing reduces subs. So, with that in mind, the Biomass Queue is over And please be sure to deposit all assets in a contract to me before you go. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives."*
Marlona Sky EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis 412	Posted - 2012.01.30 01:30:00 - [63] - Quote Once you understand ganking is legal, anywhere; you will appreciate the game more. Flight of a Thousand Rifters: A Player Event
Nooma K'Larr Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.01.30 01:31:00 - [64] - Quote Serge Bastana wrote: Sorry if the game is such a grind for you, really I am. And I'm sorry the game is so poorly unbalanced in ganker's favor. Really I am.
Jack Carrigan Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order 501	Posted - 2012.01.30 01:31:00 - [65] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Once you understand ganking is legal, anywhere; you will appreciate the game more. ^ This! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives."
Jack Carrigan Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order 501	Posted - 2012.01.30 01:32:00 - [66] - Quote Nooma K'Larr wrote: Serge Bastana wrote: Sorry if the game is such a grind for you, really I am. And I'm sorry the game is so poorly unbalanced in ganker's favor. Really I am. And I'm sorry that every time a ganker appears, you run away crying, or explode. Show me on the doll where the gankers touched you. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives."
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1787	Posted - 2012.01.30 01:37:00 - [67] - Quote "CCP you should change a core aspect of your game's philosophy to appease me" 60% of the playerbase unsubs citing unpopular changes to highsec ganking andski for csm7~
Serge Bastana GWA Corp 67	Posted - 2012.01.30 01:38:00 - [68] - Quote Nooma K'Larr wrote: Serge Bastana wrote: Sorry if the game is such a grind for you, really I am. And I'm sorry the game is so poorly unbalanced in ganker's favor. Really I am. I was ganked in the early months of my playing the game, I realised I'd been careless and not gotten out of the belt when I should have. I lost a cruiser and went back to station in my pod. I'm sorry you have no capacity to see it as a learning experience like I did, I gained something from being ganked despite losing a ship, you only lost something. I got a new ship and have since had many more, while you continue to feel the loss. Every mistake or bad experience is an opportunity to learn, evolve and become more than you were. /facebrick for those times when /facepalm just isn't enough
Cpt Bogus Whimsical Mining Refining and Exploration 0	Posted - 2012.01.30 02:00:00 - [69] - Quote The problem isn't that it's too easy to gank, it's that it's too easy to roll a throwaway alt. Unfortuantely there aren't really any good countermeasures here since a lot of serial gankers have several accounts and even some kind of rule against abusing spare character slots would be ineffective. One thing that might be interesting would be a line of one-off modules that, when fired, gives you a a big shield/armor boost but immobilizes you and does heavy hull dmg...so if whatever's shooting you is still around a few seconds later, you'll go down fast. IDK if it would work though.
foxnod BOAE INC GIANTSBANE. 10	Posted - 2012.01.30 03:00:00 - [70] - Quote Nooma K'Larr wrote: Serge Bastana wrote: Sorry if the game is such a grind for you, really I am. And I'm sorry the game is so poorly unbalanced in ganker's favor. Really I am. No, the game is heavily bonused towards towards carebears. You just to lazy to figure out how to avoid getting ganked.
Marexlovox EDEN UNDERGROUND 4	Posted - 2012.01.30 04:33:00 - [71] - Quote foxnod wrote: Nooma K'Larr wrote: Serge Bastana wrote: Sorry if the game is such a grind for you, really I am. And I'm sorry the game is so poorly unbalanced in ganker's favor. Really I am. No, the game is heavily bonused towards towards carebears. You just to lazy to figure out how to avoid getting ganked. Exactly, CCP did give Cloaky Transports, and Freighters - If you autopilot through highsec with a lot of isk, your asking to get ganked. Also agree the game is more balanced for carebears in highsec then pvp. Its a game mechanic. If someone makes you mad...well war dec them. EvE is a sandbox ya know.

ISD Eshtir Community Communications Liaisons 55	Posted - 2012.01.30 10:38:00 - [72] - Quote Hello everyone, I have cleaned up the thread. Please stay on topic now and dont troll or start a flame war. Thank You! ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc 55	Posted - 2012.01.30 12:49:00 - [73] - Quote Kelly Kavanagh wrote: This most definitely is a problem but, I prefer to address problems with the most immersive solutions. So what would we do in real life? Escorts! The least NPC corps can do for their 11% tax is provide you with a faction navy escort. The size and capabilities of your escorts should depend directly on your standing with the faction, all the way down to -9, and inversely on the security level of the system you're in, all the way out to 0.1 systems. If you commit an offense, you get attacked by your victims escorts as well as your own. You do know this is a MMO right??? If you want an Escort, then make some friends and share Escort duties. You could even form a Corp, and that would have the double benefit of removing that 11% tax you were complaining about in another post. Nooma K'Larr wrote: Then the question remains, does CCP like my sub-money more than their unbalanced "hardcore" game features? -1 sub Sorry Nooma, but CCP does not care if you unsub, neither does pretty much everyone in this thread. CCP created a 'dark and dangerous' universe for their game. Most players came here because of that. You seem to have joined an MMO that is well known for being 'Hardcore' simply to complain about it and try to get it changed with the threat of withdrawing your $15. I wish you luck in finding another game that will suit you better. Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
TheButcherPete Titan Inc. Bloodbound. 52	Posted - 2012.01.30 13:54:00 - [74] - Quote CONCORD is a preventive force, not a protective one. also Welcome to the Sandbox :3 I am Petey :3 Petey is smexy Smexy is Pete
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 278	Posted - 2012.01.30 14:36:00 - [75] - Quote Its funny that people in my corp can fly around in 4 billion isk gang link claymores with only 12k ehp without getting ganked, but hulk pilots apparently can't.
Nooma K'Larr Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.01.30 15:55:00 - [76] - Quote It is very telling by some of the "con" arguments in this thread how people play the game. At no point in any of those arguments does anyone mention anything about balance...just that it is always the victim's fault for getting ganked. By either being unprepared, undertanked, unescorted, or just plain having valuable cargo. Yet, if the same was asked of the ganker then suddenly I am asking the game be skewed too much in the carebear's favor. The hypocrisy in some of these replies is remarkable since all it takes is a disposable alt, a cheap ship and a sadistic pleasure in griefing others to gank with negligible losses. For those of you that can only think in black and white terms, this thread is not about eliminated ganking altogether...but about making it as painful to the ganker IN HI-SEC as it is to the victim. As it stands now, it is a free-for all ganker's paradise in EVE regardless of sec region.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 6005	Posted - 2012.01.30 16:18:00 - [77] - Quote Hi sec is now far safer than it's ever been and yet you still whine. You now have many way to transport goods, some of which are almost risk free within empire and null. The fact that many gankees fail to use the tools provided and/or make bad decisions then don't learn from them, is not the faulty of the game but theirs. Point in fact. I have the same BR on an alt, since they allowed the use of the covert cloak. It's fit for maximum cargo space, including tech 2 rigs. I've not even come close to losing it in all that time. Some areas of space are safer than others, but don't confuse safer with safe. None are safe and if you don't allow for this, then you could pay the price. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Nooma K'Larr Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.01.30 16:21:00 - [78] - Quote Mag's wrote: Hi sec is now far safer than it's ever been and yet you still whine. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=720507#post720507 Right.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 6005	Posted - 2012.01.30 16:24:00 - [79] - Quote Nooma K'Larr wrote: Mag's wrote: Hi sec is now far safer than it's ever been and yet you still whine. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=720507#post720507 Right. Let me point out yours and his error. "Just got ganked WTZ all the way to Jita with 500mill worth of trade goods in an Iteron." He didn't learn and you don't seem capable either. Edit: Also not sure if that's a troll or not. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 166	Posted - 2012.01.30 18:09:00 - [80] - Quote EvE is NOT a Utopia, where people hold hands and sing kumbuya; EvE is a DYSTOPIA, where white collar crimes (Scams) go unpunished and violet criminals are (sometimes) hand-slapped rather than jailed for eternity. EvE's largest publicity typically comes from the colossal scams where TRILLIONs of isk is stolen from other players. Other games would Ban people for that, here they reap the rewards of their deceit. How do you think the police or an insurance company would respond to a bank that lost millions of dollars while transporting valuables with an unarmed bicycle courier? While its taboo to blame the victim, don't you think the bank executive responsible for such bad decision would be fired, if not sued and/or put in jail for criminal negligence? The executive can shout and claim that the bicyclist "Should" have been safe if the police where doing their job, but the fact is their method for moving valuables shows such a profound lack of judgment, that people will evaluate his responsibility in creating the crime. The investigation into his blame will explore the options available to him (like could he have employed an armored courier?), it will explore the rarity of the occurrence (do robberies happen often?), and it will evaluate the cost to risks involved. The corollary scenario in EvE, is when a player moves 500 million in valuables with an iteron, rather than a tanked battleship. CCPGÇÖs job is to provide you with tools to mitigate your risks. And they do... Complaining about the fact that crime occurs regularly in this intentionally DYSTOPIAN UNIVERSE means you really donGÇÖt understand the game!! If your options were extremely limited and/or unreasonable, you might have some legs to stand on, but there are TONS of options, and player ignorance and stubbornness does not equate to a broken game design!
Serge Bastana GWA Corp 70	Posted - 2012.01.30 18:26:00 - [81] - Quote Nooma K'Larr wrote: Mag's wrote: Hi sec is now far safer than it's ever been and yet you still whine. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=720507#post720507 Right. Using that as an example is almost as fail as the post itself. in other MMO's stupid people are annoying. In EVE they are a valuable resource /facebrick for those times when /facepalm just isn't enough
Velicitia Open Designs 468	Posted - 2012.01.30 19:19:00 - [82] - Quote Gizznitt Malikite wrote: ... when a player moves 500 million in valuables with an iteron, rather than a tanked battleship. Depending on what it is, I use a BR or DST... hell, I've even had logi buddies "escort" my freighter through busy systems at times. Yeah, the logi fleet wouldn't help against a fleet who can alpha the freighter ... but if they brought enough to alpha me ... "I didn't want that freighter anyway"
foxnod BOAE INC GIANTSBANE. 13	Posted - 2012.02.01 01:13:00 - [83] - Quote Nooma K'Larr wrote: It is very telling by some of the "con" arguments in this thread how people play the game. At no point in any of those arguments does anyone mention anything about balance...just that it is always the victim's fault for getting ganked. By either being unprepared, undertanked, unescorted, or just plain having valuable cargo. Yet, if the same was asked of the ganker then suddenly I am asking the game be skewed too much in the carebear's favor. The hypocrisy in some of these replies is remarkable since all it takes is a disposable alt, a cheap ship and a sadistic pleasure in griefing others to gank with negligible losses. For those of you that can only think in black and white terms, this thread is not about eliminated ganking altogether...but about making it as painful to the ganker IN HI-SEC as it is to the victim. As it stands now, it is a free-for all ganker's paradise in EVE regardless of sec region. Actually, it's heavily unballanced in favor of the carebears. Anyone that has half a clue and uses the tools available to them in game is almost unkillable. The only reason carebears like you get ganked is because of laziness on your part.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 552	Posted - 2012.02.01 01:18:00 - [84] - Quote Nooma K'Larr wrote: Mag's wrote: Hi sec is now far safer than it's ever been and yet you still whine. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=720507#post720507 Right. 1) thats Jita. As long as ganking exists, Jita will be the number one spot. 2) thats one example, out of the hundreds that safely fly into Jita every day.
Amaroq Dricaldari Total Annihilation. Pandorum Invictus 17	Posted - 2012.02.01 03:20:00 - [85] - Quote I support this idea, and that is FINAL. It would help the rookie population significantly, but you are all too lazy to think about it. Edit: Off topic part removed, CCP Phantom. This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 167	Posted - 2012.02.01 03:30:00 - [86] - Quote Amaroq Dricaldari wrote: I support this idea, and that is FINAL. It would help the rookie population significantly, but you are all too lazy to think about it. I dunno about the others, but there are a number of topics I think are good, or that I point out ways to improve. Then there are the overwhelming majority that consist of little more than poorly thought out whines and gamebreaking nonsense. Guess where 'lol maek highsec into invulnerablesec but don't touch the rewards' fits in?
foxnod BOAE INC GIANTSBANE. 13	Posted - 2012.02.01 04:21:00 - [87] - Quote Amaroq Dricaldari wrote: I support this idea, and that is FINAL. It would help the rookie population significantly, but you are all too lazy to think about it. The reason ideas like the OP's are ridiculed, is because they're bad. Not just bad; they're gamebreakingly abominable. Because of that, they deserve all the ridicule and trolling they get.
Aggressive Nutmeg 104	Posted - 2012.02.01 05:03:00 - [88] - Quote A new first. I think I disagree with everyone on this thread. It seems everyone, in their own way, is happy to defend the stupid, bizarre game mechanics of Eve. One one side, we see folks arguing that ganking is too easy and CONCORD needs to do more. This argument ignores the fact that the concept of CONCORD is utterly ridiculous to begin with. Here we have this magical police force that can be anywhere in hisec instantly to kill the baddies. And the baddies never get away. I'm surprised CONCORD doesn't have rainbow engine trails. ***** stupid. On the other hand, we see folks arguing that hisec should not be 100% safe. That gankers should be able to suicide anyone, anywhere, anytime. This argument ignores the fact that the concept of suicide ganking is utterly ridiculous to begin with. How can you pod someone and then be free to do it again in a few minutes? Where's the gaol time? Where's the loss of freedom? We all know you can continue to gank in hisec regardless of a pissy security status hit. So how many times should a crazy suicide bomber be able to murder innocents? *** stupid. I think we have gone too far down the path of bad game mechanics. There are too many ridiculous elements, contradictions, inconsistencies, illogical game mechanics. But there are seasoned players who actually think everything is working fine. ***** stupid. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Rel'k Bloodlor Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords 119	Posted - 2012.02.01 07:30:00 - [89] - Quote Every one who hates the fact hi-sec is not 100% conflict proff...... GET OUT OF MY EVE! Go play star trek online and get out. Who ever said that in 0.0 they always catch and pod you for tresspasing or attaking thier holding is full o' ****. I do it all the time. they almost never do. Hi-sec has a 100% loss rate for agression, thats already too high. It's not that hard to just learn. Why is it one given a game like EvE with its lemetless chance to learn and adapt entitled, lazy, and stupid people will demand that 90% give up things they enjoy so they the 10% can watch redtube well they mine/mission run. Sorry you can't use D-scan Sorry you have no friends to back you up Sorry your a greedy prick and fit your hulk to mine the most not out last a thrasher Sorry you don't know how to mask your cargo from scanners Sorry you refuse to spread out and stop living in hi-pop systems But these are not my or most of EvE's problem, just your sorry ass. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do.
Jaari Val'Dara Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 63	Posted - 2012.02.01 09:23:00 - [90] - Quote Seriously I fail to understand all the whining about hi-sec ganking. It's so easy to avoid, that I'm amazed that gankers get any profit at all. 1. Don't transport cargo which expected drop value is bigger than the cost for the gankers in lost ships to concord. Freighter for example could transport 1bill easily all over hi-sec, probably even more now that concord losses doesn't pay out insurance. Sometimes they will take on an unprofitable gank, but most of the gankers are there for the profit. 2. If you need to transport more, use other means - transport ships (they won't even see you), covert t3 with interdiction subsystem (you can even go through hostile nullsec with relative safety) 3. If you don't have skills for any of those ships, just use red frog freight services, they will transport your cargo for next to nothing.

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