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TECHA
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Posted - 2007.11.11 12:17:00 -
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Its the end game of complex running and I'am curious on how it can be done with what ships, set-ups and size gangs....
Ive asked around and heard one gang had their Domi's twin LAR T2 tank melt in 30 secs. While another gang said it can be done with an active NightHawk with heavy-shield logistic drones support. And others have suggested that you need either a massive ship like a Mom to tank all the aggro or a very small one, heavily repped. ( I guess the theory here is it doesnt take as much damage from big guns ? ).
Can anyone share there experiences , success or failure and if there was good loot to be had at the end of the rainbow ?
Thanks Techa
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Helen
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.11 13:59:00 -
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Mothership is overkill and can't even run a 10/10, there was a time when people used to run 10/10 plexs in carriers/dreads but thats long been nerfed.
Most use a command ship these days that is heavily tanked and then bring remote reppers and damage dealers in with it. A skilled crew of 5-6 guys can complete these plexs relatively fast.
Certainly unable to run it solo, you certainly need to work very close with corp mates to complete these.
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Allestin Villimar
Dark Nova Crisis
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Posted - 2007.11.11 15:24:00 -
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I'd bet a minmatar command ship could solo one if they weren't being nos'd. Those things can get some seriously powerful active tanks going - in the 3000+ dps range with t2 fittings. ...in bed. |
Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.11 17:32:00 -
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I recall someplace that said if you take the assault frigate, or maybe HAC... or CS... and fully tank it out, lots of hardeners, and a plate, and use a logistics or battleship fitted for pure remote repair, you can pull off a uber tank.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2007.11.12 02:21:00 -
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Well personally I'm not near any 10/10 complex nor have I actually ran one. Lets go hypothetically though.
VS guristas they are more fun as they don't seem to nos. But jam which doesn't really matter for a domi. I also don't want to spend billions upon billions for the setup so here's my take on it.
2x Faction LAR. You can go darkblood, true sansha's, amarr navy, or anmatar navy. These give 900 rep every 15 seconds on base. Best you can get before deadspace or officer. 200mil for both. Not so bad.
3x hardeners. 2x kinetic and 1 thermal. Tech 2 is decent enough but for half the fitting cpu costs... and only around 5-15mil each you can get faction and get the same result. Not to mention less skill requirements which may not really factor in anyway.
2x power relays. beta reactors or tech 2... doesn't matter. beta reactors take less cpu again so...
5x cap rechargers tech 2
3x auxillary nano pumps
With this setup you are ready to tank roughly 1200-1300 of gurista's dps. which counts to many many ships; guaranteed to permatank any guristas missle perfectly. I really don't know how much dps 10/10 has waiting.. so out of giggles... My corpmate has a nurse hyperion.
Lows: cap power relay tech 2 mids: cap rechargers tech 2 highs: 8x Large 'solace' 1 remote bulwark reconstruction rigs: 2x cap control circuits tech 2 and 1x cap control circuit tech1
If you add this on to the domi. Once the domi has full aggro from the 10/10 the domi has a tank which tanks about 4800 dps. Which is basically more than any carrier could tank by itself in a duel-cap-rep setup. Using officer mods. I believe carriers come to about 4300 omni dps tank. Ofcoarse if the carrier tanked just for guristas which is insane... it'd easily get near 10,000 dps tank using officer mods. Ofcoarse the domi could improve also.
Frankly though for only a few hundred mil. The domi + hyperion could easily tank anything guristas throw at them. On top of that... you could then bring along tankless damage dealers to easily clear out the guristas with ease.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.12 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 12/11/2007 04:23:03
Originally by: Jason Edwards Well personally I'm not near any 10/10 complex nor have I actually ran one. Lets go hypothetically though.
VS guristas they are more fun as they don't seem to nos. But jam which doesn't really matter for a domi. I also don't want to spend billions upon billions for the setup so here's my take on it.
guristas throw heavy "em" at you in the maze.. your domi would probably instapop.. you need either a heavy tanked/plated af with ab orbiting a logistics or a plated bs with good resists (em therm kin) and logistics.
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Raiven Parker
Four Rings Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.12 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Raiven Parker on 12/11/2007 13:25:35
Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 12/11/2007 04:23:03
Originally by: Jason Edwards Well personally I'm not near any 10/10 complex nor have I actually ran one. Lets go hypothetically though.
VS guristas they are more fun as they don't seem to nos. But jam which doesn't really matter for a domi. I also don't want to spend billions upon billions for the setup so here's my take on it.
guristas throw heavy "em" at you in the maze.. your domi would probably instapop.. you need either a heavy tanked/plated af with ab orbiting a logistics or a plated bs with good resists (em therm kin) and logistics.
erhmm no.. Guristas deal no EM damage whatsoever. Kinetic and thermal only.
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Helen
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Raiven Parker Edited by: Raiven Parker on 12/11/2007 13:25:35
Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 12/11/2007 04:23:03
Originally by: Jason Edwards Well personally I'm not near any 10/10 complex nor have I actually ran one. Lets go hypothetically though.
VS guristas they are more fun as they don't seem to nos. But jam which doesn't really matter for a domi. I also don't want to spend billions upon billions for the setup so here's my take on it.
guristas throw heavy "em" at you in the maze.. your domi would probably instapop.. you need either a heavy tanked/plated af with ab orbiting a logistics or a plated bs with good resists (em therm kin) and logistics.
erhmm no.. Guristas deal no EM damage whatsoever. Kinetic and thermal only.
Wrong in the 'maze' 10/10 plex they deal EM Citadel torps (from memory) that deal like 33k of EM only damage. We used to use a Claymore/Sleipnir with lots of hardners and plates. Then two logistics to tank it up and in case anyone pulled aggro. Worked a charm. Your right though in normal ratting Guristas deal no EM dmg but in the plex its a different story.
First pod pilot to lose a Mothership in EvE... err woo |
d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.13 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 13/11/2007 13:18:45 Edited by: d026 on 13/11/2007 13:17:26
Originally by: Raiven Parker Edited by: Raiven Parker on 12/11/2007 13:25:35
Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 12/11/2007 04:23:03
Originally by: Jason Edwards Well personally I'm not near any 10/10 complex nor have I actually ran one. Lets go hypothetically though.
VS guristas they are more fun as they don't seem to nos. But jam which doesn't really matter for a domi. I also don't want to spend billions upon billions for the setup so here's my take on it.
guristas throw heavy "em" at you in the maze.. your domi would probably instapop.. you need either a heavy tanked/plated af with ab orbiting a logistics or a plated bs with good resists (em therm kin) and logistics.
erhmm no.. Guristas deal no EM damage whatsoever. Kinetic and thermal only.
never did many 0.0 plexes right? the maze deals em dmg also some of the new gui escalation sites deal em dmg.. in some of the escalation sites you also have to deal with xl sentry guns dealing good amount of omni dmg (em, therm, kin, explo)...
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.11.14 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards Well personally I'm not near any 10/10 complex nor have I actually ran one. Lets go hypothetically though.
VS guristas they are more fun as they don't seem to nos. But jam which doesn't really matter for a domi. I also don't want to spend billions upon billions for the setup so here's my take on it.
2x Faction LAR. You can go darkblood, true sansha's, amarr navy, or anmatar navy. These give 900 rep every 15 seconds on base. Best you can get before deadspace or officer. 200mil for both. Not so bad.
3x hardeners. 2x kinetic and 1 thermal. Tech 2 is decent enough but for half the fitting cpu costs... and only around 5-15mil each you can get faction and get the same result. Not to mention less skill requirements which may not really factor in anyway.
2x power relays. beta reactors or tech 2... doesn't matter. beta reactors take less cpu again so...
5x cap rechargers tech 2
3x auxillary nano pumps
With this setup you are ready to tank roughly 1200-1300 of gurista's dps. which counts to many many ships; guaranteed to permatank any guristas missle perfectly. I really don't know how much dps 10/10 has waiting.. so out of giggles... My corpmate has a nurse hyperion.
Lows: cap power relay tech 2 mids: cap rechargers tech 2 highs: 8x Large 'solace' 1 remote bulwark reconstruction rigs: 2x cap control circuits tech 2 and 1x cap control circuit tech1
If you add this on to the domi. Once the domi has full aggro from the 10/10 the domi has a tank which tanks about 4800 dps. Which is basically more than any carrier could tank by itself in a duel-cap-rep setup. Using officer mods. I believe carriers come to about 4300 omni dps tank. Ofcoarse if the carrier tanked just for guristas which is insane... it'd easily get near 10,000 dps tank using officer mods. Ofcoarse the domi could improve also.
Frankly though for only a few hundred mil. The domi + hyperion could easily tank anything guristas throw at them. On top of that... you could then bring along tankless damage dealers to easily clear out the guristas with ease.
Used to run blood raiders 10/10 with myself and 2 alts. Try that with EM + thermal hardeners and you would get insta popped.
HP and resists with remote repping is the only way to go.
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eXtas
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Posted - 2007.11.14 15:33:00 -
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t2 fitted ishtar can tank the serp 10/10.. teh gurista is a litle harder tho :) -------- need new sig :( |
Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.14 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: eXtas t2 fitted ishtar can tank the serp 10/10.. teh gurista is a litle harder tho :)
serp one is prolly THE easiest 10/10 plex in game. Easily doable with hac+BS if one remote reps the other. Also its possible to do run-thru it and finish it in like 15 minutes...
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Dominator9987
Minmatar The Shambling Horde
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Posted - 2007.11.14 21:07:00 -
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Hyperion dual plex reps w/ aux nano an gal bs 5. worked great for me on test. (only 4 hardenners, but if you dont know how to make 4 work then u need to go back to lvl 4s for a while)
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eXtas
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Posted - 2007.11.14 23:27:00 -
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I think you could manage to tank the maze with ishtar if you overloaded both reps and took down the webbers fast in the start :) -------- need new sig :( |
Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.15 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: eXtas I think you could manage to tank the maze with ishtar if you overloaded both reps and took down the webbers fast in the start :)
You get hit by:
1. some ubershot from guristas overseer (he deals abt 4000 on tanked deimos) 2. 30 seconds after that you get hit by EM citadel torp (which should do abt 4000dmg too)
Ishtar just lacks lowslots to tank this: you need 2x rep, 2x kin 1x thermic hardener to tank guristas alone (and deimos with said kin/therm resists was hit by "1" forsaid damage).
I used deimos with 1600mm plate + 2x kin 1x therm 1x em (dont remember last slot... maybe 2x em) with remote repping poc. There was one major problem: enemy respawn which ALWAYS targetted apoc and ALWAYS jammed him. Jammed remote repping ship = dead tanker and seconds later dead apoc (from rat respawn).
I did manage to finish plex 2 times but it is hard and the loot was such crap (80mil or so overseer efforts only + xtype stuff) that i went back to farming 8/10 guri.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr War Dawgs
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Posted - 2007.11.17 02:54:00 -
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I used a cosmos fitted abso to tank full room agro's on 10/10 angel plex's. i had 10 heavy maint bots repping my armour tho. 85% resis accross the board or higher.
All i did was take down frigs and cruisers. while my corpies took down bs's.
Orignally we tried a shield tanker but didnt work so good. -
At last the Gallente can finally lay claim to saying... "my DICtor" is bigger than yours.
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eXtas
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Posted - 2007.11.17 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: eXtas I think you could manage to tank the maze with ishtar if you overloaded both reps and took down the webbers fast in the start :)
You get hit by:
1. some ubershot from guristas overseer (he deals abt 4000 on tanked deimos) 2. 30 seconds after that you get hit by EM citadel torp (which should do abt 4000dmg too)
Ishtar just lacks lowslots to tank this: you need 2x rep, 2x kin 1x thermic hardener to tank guristas alone (and deimos with said kin/therm resists was hit by "1" forsaid damage).
I used deimos with 1600mm plate + 2x kin 1x therm 1x em (dont remember last slot... maybe 2x em) with remote repping poc. There was one major problem: enemy respawn which ALWAYS targetted apoc and ALWAYS jammed him. Jammed remote repping ship = dead tanker and seconds later dead apoc (from rat respawn).
I did manage to finish plex 2 times but it is hard and the loot was such crap (80mil or so overseer efforts only + xtype stuff) that i went back to farming 8/10 guri.
yepp but if you get down the 4 webby towers and get moving the damage isnt so high.. but u need that 1600mm plate atleast... was thinking 2 reps, 1600mm, kin+eanm or 2 eanm
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.17 16:44:00 -
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Now i dont remember but werent there 12431543 webbing frigs (dire guristas ones)?
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Helen
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.17 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire Now i dont remember but werent there 12431543 webbing frigs (dire guristas ones)?
Pretty sure there was. Right pain in the ass to kill as well.
First pod pilot to lose a Mothership in EvE... err woo |
Neon Razor
Caldari MAFIA
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Posted - 2007.11.17 17:24:00 -
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8/10 can be soloed with ease 10/10 i normally have a 2x logistic pilots and a main tank and 3x Dmg dealers
There is no moral difference between a Stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. They both kill innocent people for political reasons. |
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Elliott Manchild
omen. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.18 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Helen
Originally by: Deva Blackfire Now i dont remember but werent there 12431543 webbing frigs (dire guristas ones)?
Pretty sure there was. Right pain in the ass to kill as well.
We used to use a smartbomb with 4 dread smartbombs and 2 reps to kill all the frigs on first 4? level's and just warp of to last level without killing any rats but the frigs and smartbomb all the frigs on last level as well np :D.
Used to use 2 ravens/1 mega/1 deimos (tank 2 1600mm plates/1 kint/1 thermic/2EM 2x trimark)/1 logistic
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.18 22:52:00 -
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Yeh it works. My remote poc had 3 large SBs iirc (frigs orbit at 2,5km). But i think we didnt have enough DPS to break battlestation before respawn (only raven + cerb :S).
Anyways that plex is stupid and rewards are still not enough compared to serp/sansha/blood ones :S Especially lack of overseer efforts hurts (there is only ONE effort can and it is 14th one or so - the 80mil isk worth one, compared to 300-500mil total in other 10/10 plexes).
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.11.19 06:03:00 -
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Command Ship with a bunch of friends using armor or Shield repair drones.
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MOS DEF
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Posted - 2007.11.19 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Allestin Villimar I'd bet a minmatar command ship could solo one if they weren't being nos'd. Those things can get some seriously powerful active tanks going - in the 3000+ dps range with t2 fittings.
Not even when you invest tons of billions no. For one you cannot tank the dmg (try sansha 10/10 solo - have fun). the other thing is you will not break tanks. Not even close. Again example: Sansha 10/10 you will not be able to kill the very 1st overseer (station thingie).
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