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touchvill
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: SexxxSlave I understand if your egos and pride have been scarred in the wake of this, but jesus just admit that you are now the entity in which you strived to be so unlike. Now you have so many things in common with them its sickening.
This.
And why are you smacking CoW here? I merely playing my corps name "Whorum Warrior"-part. CoW is doing just fine. Effenciency over 80% so that should say something, biatches!
I never knew that this subject would be so touchy to TRI ..
The reason this is touchy because it's like the millionth thread where some big headed know it all has come busting down the doors of civillty to make a post which smacks of clueless sweeping judgements from the first sentence to the last. Of course, we have had it pretty much out entire existance.
We have people constantly trying to second guess us and let us know what we are doing before we do it. For god sake I am sick of seeing threads about us. Especially when they are just plain old lies by people who think this bag of **** forums needs more controversy. Let me tell you this, controversy is good, controversy for the sake of controversy is not. So yes we are touchy on this subject because it's another post by another maladjusted muppet who wanted to try and burn us in public on 'facts' how he see's them and not actually how they are represented. ----------
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Drachenlord
Amarr Port Royal Independent Kontractors Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.13 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: Drachenlord on 13/11/2007 09:05:52
Originally by: touchvill
Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: SexxxSlave I understand if your egos and pride have been scarred in the wake of this, but jesus just admit that you are now the entity in which you strived to be so unlike. Now you have so many things in common with them its sickening.
This.
And why are you smacking CoW here? I merely playing my corps name "Whorum Warrior"-part. CoW is doing just fine. Effenciency over 80% so that should say something, biatches!
I never knew that this subject would be so touchy to TRI ..
The reason this is touchy because it's like the millionth thread where some big headed know it all has come busting down the doors of civillty to make a post which smacks of clueless sweeping judgements from the first sentence to the last. Of course, we have had it pretty much out entire existance.
We have people constantly trying to second guess us and let us know what we are doing before we do it. For god sake I am sick of seeing threads about us. Especially when they are just plain old lies by people who think this bag of **** forums needs more controversy. Let me tell you this, controversy is good, controversy for the sake of controversy is not. So yes we are touchy on this subject because it's another post by another maladjusted muppet who wanted to try and burn us in public on 'facts' how he see's them and not actually how they are represented.
Quoted for Massive Truth... but hey, its to be expected mate... there are a lot of posts like this going around... I think its like the flu... ----- While the Enemies of the Emperor still draw breath there can be no peace |
Sacul
Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vladic Ka id like to come out after 20 years.........im *** and i love it!!!!!!!
/me hugs Vladic......its ok....
U can sleep at my place
The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.13 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Vladic Ka id like to come out after 20 years.........im *** and i love it!!!!!!!
What you do on friday nite? Wanna meet me in yulai, look at the stars, talk about eachother and orbit the sun, just the 2 of us??
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Myz Toyou
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ace Frehley
Originally by: Vladic Ka id like to come out after 20 years.........im *** and i love it!!!!!!!
What you do on friday nite? Wanna meet me in yulai, look at the stars, talk about eachother and orbit the sun, just the 2 of us??
What about you getting my pet Ace, I allways have a fuzzy place in my pod for you -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
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Redbad
Minmatar Mean Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.13 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon As being part of anti-BoB block, Tri has always smacked down people who were "pets" and those who took "pets".
I always considered Triumvirate to be in the pro-Triumvirate block.
RB
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.13 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Myz Toyou
Originally by: Ace Frehley
Originally by: Vladic Ka id like to come out after 20 years.........im *** and i love it!!!!!!!
What you do on friday nite? Wanna meet me in yulai, look at the stars, talk about eachother and orbit the sun, just the 2 of us??
What about you getting my pet Ace, I allways have a fuzzy place in my pod for you
Can you fix me a nice warm place for my furry to dry after it rained? In that case, convo me
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Nez Perces
Amarr Metatron Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 13/11/2007 11:33:46
Originally by: touchvill, Tri pilot
We have people constantly trying to second guess us and let us know what we are doing before we do it. For god sake I am sick of seeing threads about us.
Such is the price of success.. deal with it.
Besides, its not like Tri hasn't courted public attention. You guys had no problems posting on the forums when you were pounding Youwhat back into the stone age. Surely you will remember the hangman pictures of youwhat standing on their cyno jammer.
Anyways.. I agree with the calling out of people, who keep pets, when in the past they were happy to call BoB out for the same. Thats called double standards and hypocrisy.... not saying you guys are guilty of it.... as no proof has really been brought to the fore in this thread.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 11:36:00 -
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I learned something, I really did, I swear. . . -----------
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Danari
Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: Danari on 13/11/2007 11:55:21 Looking at the pvpers in atf one of the least likely things imo is that group paying rent.
Edit: Or being told what to do.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Metatron Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 13/11/2007 11:55:52
Originally by: Danari Looking at the pvpers in atf one of the least likely things imo is that group paying rent.
Well... being a pet is not only a matter of paying rent. Fix get called pets all the time, and they don't pay rent.
What is a pet?... its tricky to identify an exact definition.
The one I use personally, is an entity who's actions are controlled by and large by their owner, denoting a a lack of independence of thought and action. A pet can pay their dues by contributing militarily not only economically. I guess a pet alliance is an alliance who owes another alliance for their wellbeing, their existance and the 0.0 space they occupy at a given point in time.
Do ATF, fit that description? I don't know. Does Tri keep 'pets' according to the above definition? Don't know that either.
But I do know that BoB sure does.
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Vladic Ka
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 14:15:00 -
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Wesley Baird
e X i l e Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.13 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Anyways.. I agree with the calling out of people, who keep pets, when in the past they were happy to call BoB out for the same. Thats called double standards and hypocrisy.... not saying you guys are guilty of it.... as no proof has really been brought to the fore in this thread.
I think you missed the part, where Tri didn't rag on BOB for keeping pets...which is why you've seen the response you have...infact I think you'd be hard pressed to find any senior member of Tri making any anti-Bob posts over the last year or so.
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EzSnake
Caldari Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.13 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: EzSnake on 13/11/2007 14:38:38 FFS!!! What's up w/ all the ******s lately!!! If any 1 alliance at all has any sort of friends, thier friends are automatically pets!!!
Edit : re tards is blocked?? How stupid is that!!!
How bout we block the word 'pets' too....I'm sick of seeing/hearing the word, used only by weak arse ppl who can't do anything but forum *****!
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Vishous LIES LIES LIES!!!
ATF are pets, you know them kittens TRI are always talking about when they set a blue. Them be us, we are the kitten supply. Please TRI, no more blues. meow
Well, port royale was in IRON for some time, and eXile i think were in TRI. It's official. ATF are actually a future joining of TRI and IRON, the future new power in tha north !!!
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.13 14:52:00 -
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We're all ISD pets, apparently.
This thread got totally nerfed.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.13 15:21:00 -
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The most fascinating thing about this thread is that it's on page 4 already.
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s3v3n7
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 15:51:00 -
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Hey CoW, for only 6 billion a month you can come meatshield for us. Isk to me please.
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Drunken Cajun
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.13 15:53:00 -
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I hope we don't have to get spade or neutered
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.13 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: s3v3n7 Hey CoW, for only 6 billion a month you can come meatshield for us. Isk to me please.
Hmm, doesn't work this way. You know, BoB payed us to be pets. At least of you believed one or the other CA or Smashkill pilot some months ago.
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Tomic
The Illuminati. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 17:03:00 -
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I thought we were all bob pets.
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phillie blunt
Live And Let Die
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Posted - 2007.11.13 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro
Originally by: Vishous LIES LIES LIES!!!
ATF are pets, you know them kittens TRI are always talking about when they set a blue. Them be us, we are the kitten supply. Please TRI, no more blues. meow
Well, port royale was in IRON for some time, and eXile i think were in TRI. It's official. ATF are actually a future joining of TRI and IRON, the future new power in tha north !!!
exile was in frege...
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces What is a pet?... The one I use personally, is an entity who's actions are controlled by and large by their owner, denoting a a lack of independence of thought and action.
Lets considered this for the sake of argument, if that holds tru then there are A LOT of pets. That would mean that everyone that does not lead is a pet (yes, generalizing a lot now).
Some corps like to be told what to do, it simplifies things quite a lot and makes it possible to concentrate on what you do best, be it fighting, production, mining, logistics or what ever. And if you find a place where the direction your "Leader(s)" takes you why would you not just go with the flow? I would argue that the same holds true for some alliances?
And really, shouldnt you be able to do that without getting marked as a pet? As pet today generally means weak.
Would you agree?
Cheers, Lowa
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Darklin Eldaris
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.11.13 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Darklin Eldaris on 13/11/2007 17:50:28 I guess it all depends on how you define "pets" in this game.
ATF don't pay rent, so they don't fit that bill obviously. However, I view them as TRI pets because they could not hope to hold that space (space they would not have had TRI not given it to them) without TRI support. In fact the only reason they haven't been sieged yet is the assurance that TRI will show up to save the day for them.
Also at the end of the day they will do whatever TRI tells them to do, they rat and carebear until marching orders come from VFK. It May not be for the most common reasons, but let's be realistic about this: They're pets.
It was the same with PL (in a big way), and is the same with Destiny. In fact the only guys TRI has been working with lately who I wouldn't consider pets are Mostly Harmless.
All that said, TRI haven't shown themselves to be particularly anti-BoB ( or anyone who is still alive for that matter ), and I for one haven't noticed them smacking on forums in force AT ALL. Maybe one or two here and there, but nothing really of consequence.
Just my 2 cents. Not the views of my corp, blah blah blah.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Metatron Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 13/11/2007 18:43:58
Originally by: Lowa
Some corps like to be told what to do, it simplifies things quite a lot and makes it possible to concentrate on what you do best, be it fighting, production, mining, logistics or what ever. And if you find a place where the direction your "Leader(s)" takes you why would you not just go with the flow? I would argue that the same holds true for some alliances?
And really, shouldnt you be able to do that without getting marked as a pet? As pet today generally means weak.
Would you agree?
Well I would, if one only looks at your argument from a corp perspective. Corporations are one step down in the organisational hierarchy from alliances. The term 'pet' comes into its own when talking about alliances.
Corporations get together to form an alliance when they feel they have something to share and a common goal to work towards, they "have a dream" so to speak. Ofc within that organisational structure, there has to be leaders and the corps tow the line.. thats what they signed up for in the first place.
However, in my view at least, there is something intrinsically wrong with forming up with other like minded corps to create an alliance and then subject that alliance to the will of another alliance... it kinda defeats the object of creating an alliance in the first place. Ofc peeps form alliances for all kinds of reasons.. 1bil isn't that much nowadays.
But perhaps I can redirect the question at you.... would you be happy if Triumvirate suddenly turned around and decided that it was to do another alliance's bidding for security and 0.0 space? Would it please you if Triumvirate was at the beck and call of another entity just to exist? Wouldn't it make you feel 'weak'?
Would take the shine off all the hard work that alliance members put into daily activities.... wouldn't you agree?
I guess my point is that I can't for the life of me understand why peeps would go to the trouble of creating an alliance to then be somebody's dogsbody.
[edit: clarity + man can't believe my sig got nerfed for being 600 bytes over the limit :/ ]
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Drachenlord
Amarr Port Royal Independent Kontractors Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.13 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Drachenlord on 13/11/2007 19:00:53
Originally by: Darklin Eldaris
Nice Post for a change,
Darklin, first, Thank you for not making a complete and utter failure of a post due to flaming and name calling... its nice to see a change
That Said, ATF being called Pets, thats fine, we'll let people think what they will... because from the outside looking in, anyone that doesn't have a real clue as to how our relationship with TRI works will see it that way and there is really no way of changing some people's views... so I've given up trying.
At the end of the day, the pilots within ATF and TRI know whats going on between our alliances and know that while several of TRI's pilots enjoy flying with us and vice versa due to the healthy relationship they've had with our pilots in the past (ATF being about 75% Former IRON... and TRI having nothing but respect for IRON in the past) Its more of Mutually Beneficial relationship we share... even though we're smaller and at present, not as strong as we'd like... we're moving forward.
Now, As for not having a chance to hold our space without TRI's help and nobody sieging our home systems for fear of retribution and assistance from our allies... well, thats generally the way it goes when you have a close relationship with another alliance... we need help, they help, they need our help, we help. thats the way true allies treat each other... No "Marching Orders" have come down from VFK... but Requests for assistance in which we've sent what we could depending on TZ and Available pilots. This Differs in the way bob treats their "allies" or "pets" or whatever you want to call them in the way that BoB does issue marching orders, and ultimatums to their so-called allies.
So... In closing, to everyone on This Forum if you want to call us pets, Go for it... but The way our Relationship with Triumvirate works is far from the Sort of relationship that coined the phrase, the BoB pet relationship. I look to current and past examples... not identical, but similar (note: NOT IDENTICAL for the Pedantic) and I see the Relationship between Goons & RA... and further back, the relationship between IRON & G... I'm sure there are others, but those are decent examples... now you might say "But Drach... those were/are pet/master relationships too!" and to that I would answer... that again, unless you have a clue from being involved in said relationship... there will be no changing your mind... so have your opinions... just remember, everyone has one... and everyone else thinks yours stinks. ----- While the Enemies of the Emperor still draw breath there can be no peace |
NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.13 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: NATMav on 13/11/2007 19:16:36
Originally by: Nez Perces [edit: clarity + man can't believe my sig got nerfed for being 600 bytes over the limit :/ ]
I'm with ya Nez.
I had to gimp our sigs because more text being generated from longer names was causing ours to bust the limit.
P.S. Drach have my babies
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.13 19:44:00 -
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Its a bummer when a relationship between two alliances with close ties, one so happens to be smaller than the other, is automatically termed a 'pet' relationship.
What needs to be done is a settling of the vernacular here. 'Pet', refers to a weaker organization that is holding space at the will of hte larger 'leasing' alliance. The pet has little in the way of resources to hold the territory and generally must rely on the owning alliance for assistance.
ATF owns capitals, has expirence in station management and territory control, is almost entirely focused on PvP and maintains high ratios on our KB's. We pay no rent and dont recieve marching orders from TRI. We are however close to TRI, enjoy the alliance, and as far as I know share the same standings to outsiders. In effect, their enemies are our enemies and come the time, we'll be shipping otu with them. Not because we're forced to, but because we like pew-pewing the HE77 out of a region.
ATF is active, aggressive, and capable. Call us what you want, but Drachenlord stated it best: ATF and TRI know their relationship, and we can care what you drama *****s will classify it as. ----------------- Friends Forever
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Oofig VanDoogan
The Knighthawks FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.13 19:46:00 -
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Had fun chasing around your myrmi the other day Hanibal o/ Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) |
Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.13 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Oofig VanDoogan Had fun chasing around your myrmi the other day Hanibal o/
Man, flying drunk just aint cool. Sad thing is, I cant remember if you guys caught me at the planet I warped to to create SS's from the gank site, or if I warped to another planet ffom that planet.
Eh, just wanted the insurance anyways...though those t2 mods coulda been switched out :p ----------------- Friends Forever
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