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Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:02:00 - [1] Latest Dev blog here. So...9% of players live in 0.0 and 13% of players live in lowsec. Lets take a HUGE leap of faulty assumption and presume that not a single one of them are carebears. That means that 78% of all the players in Eve are PvE oriented, and live in highsec. The various other statistics go quite some distance in confirming it. Now...lets look at nerfs, patches, improvements, the rare buffs (which are really nerfs to other things)..... Virtually all of these things are aimed at the 0.0 players. Some of them apply to the lowsec players. Why is it that 99% of the content released / changed in Eve caters to the absolute smallest minority of players? If more than 3/4 of all players in Eve are PvE focused, shouldn't we get more things to focus on the majority of players? Granted - the particular minority that we're speaking of are the absolute loudest, most vocal minority in Eve....but still the minority. The statisticians at CCP have spoken. The majority of Eve thinks that the PvP system we currently have absolutely blows and that PvE content is more fun and invigorating. /discuss.
Hamatitio Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:04:00 - [2] Newer players tend to stay in safe space. It would seem that there are a lot of newer players so i think that data is skewed. Hijack this
Barbaro55a Caldari Os Lobos	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:07:00 - [3] Go suck a lemon, and use one of the other threads about this. Originally by: ISD Valorem If someone has hurt you out of game then please talk to family, friends or Police (if necessary)
burek Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:08:00 - [4] You could look at it this way, high sec offers enough already to keep the 78% living there, staying there :) Therefore, CCP is balancing.
Peter VonThal Raygun Technologies	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:08:00 - [5] Edited by: Peter VonThal on 13/11/2007 09:14:27 While I agree for the most part, I believe they are also counting alt slots on an account. If that's the case I'd guess that there are a good number of low/no-sec players with at least one rarely-used alt in high-sec, essentially canceling out their main in the count. I don't recall a distinction between "mains" and "alts" in the report, but I could be wrong. Edit: Editing for edit. For the record, I don't agree with an Arena.
Hamatitio Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:09:00 - [6] 433k characters, 225k have less than 1 million skillpoints. thats probably 50% of that 78% 'majority' that are total noobs. I'd say your point is void :) Hijack this
Empire marketslave	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:09:00 - [7] okay going along with your post what toys can be added that you can use for carebear stuff other than a better miner/hauler/salvager/ect... i know there isn't a specialized salvager per say but a destroyer with tractor beams and salvagers with rigs is a pretty good one where as the HIC for example are needed to take down Supercaps in low sec as an example of new 0.0 toys justification
Siren Sylvanis Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:09:00 - [8] Balance within a game needs to be handled at the highest level that the game is played. It's the top players that really drive the direction of any game, and thus new content needs to be most considerate of how it affects the top level of players. Eve isn't a game about the awesomeness of going out in your ratting ship and farming lvl 2-3 missions in Empire. That's what people wind up doing after they join, but when Eve is advertised, what's the #1 thing that gets brought up? Territorial control. Free-roaming space. Player alliances. If you don't take care of that, the game as a whole will fail. --- What doesn't manage to kill you... has made a tactical error. That is a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:12:00 - [9] Well, the link I just posted in my OP is how I suggest we get the other 78% of the population to engage in PvP. =)
ilovedronesandcarriers	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:12:00 - [10] arena combat is not eve all systems should be made 1.0 with that arena idea

Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:12:00 - [11] Edited by: Sinder Ohm on 13/11/2007 09:15:08 Well I would assume since EvEs strongpoint is 0.0 turf wars they would want to improve this section first. I also doubt that CCP want the majority of eve to vegetate in high sec. edit: may also have something to do with market empire alts and all the new players with little skillpoints. *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected])
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:19:00 - [12] because 50% of the high sec character are alts? and characters with 800k sp? Official fanboy of jenny< pink supporter! looking to work in the art department with CCP, 3 years and counting. http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Dropthi
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:22:00 - [13] It is even WORSE than the OP states. Just look at the figures again. About 200k of the 433k ships are rookie ships and shuttles. Neither ship is well known for its mining / ratting / mission / pvp prowess. It can hardly be fair that the most common ship in the universe is so useless. Can we perhaps buff shuttles up to say Battlecruiser capability and give noobship the same sort of role as Commandships. This will help the game no end. - - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Siren Sylvanis Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:22:00 - [14] Edited by: Siren Sylvanis on 13/11/2007 09:23:22 Edited by: Siren Sylvanis on 13/11/2007 09:22:53 Why don't people live in highsec? Because they don't want to dedicate their time to living in lowsec or 0.0, and mission-running in Empire is a comfortable hobby that they can log on, do for a few hours, watch their wallet go up, and log off again. The 0.0 players band up, form complex military and logistics networks, take on virtual 'jobs' within their alliance, and work together to make something truly theirs. To put off the argument of "Oh, I have a life outside of Eve" before it comes up, yes. Yes, most people have a life outside of Eve, too. But Eve is, too, a virtual 'life', and like life, what you get out of it depends on how much effort you put into it. Should high-level stuff, balance issues, and game-affecting tweaks be targeted towards the casual, fringe players and try to appeal to the majority who want something safe and low-risk, low-commitment? Or should it be pointed towards the elite players who play this game with great heart and enthusiasm, playing it for all that it's worth and trying to push it to its limits with every step? There's an MMO out there that makes changes and balances and game design decisions based on the lowest common denominator casual player. It's called World of Warcraft. There are artificial rules on what group is 'allowed' to kill certain groups of NPCs, zero-risk PvP that thus degenerates into 3rd person perspective Counterstrike, and the GMs enforce bans and warnings for actions such as 'interrupting the enjoyment of others'. Eve, unlike WoW, is trying to be a game that rewards dedication and smart playing over raw time spent. Not tedious and long playing: smart. It rewards the players that have the dedication to form the illuminati-like cults that are the powers in control of major alliances, it rewards players who are willing to take risks, its rewards are proportional to the amount of dedication one puts in. (note, here, that dedication is not for example running level 4 missions for 10 hours a day in high sec in a Navy Raven.) That's the way Eve is, and that's just how the way I like it. --- What doesn't manage to kill you... has made a tactical error. That is a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:26:00 - [15] Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 13/11/2007 09:06:48 Latest Dev blog here. So...9% of players live in 0.0 and 13% of players live in lowsec. Lets take a HUGE leap of faulty assumption and presume that not a single one of them are carebears. That means that 78% of all the players in Eve are PvE oriented, and live in highsec. The various other statistics go quite some distance in confirming it. Now...lets look at nerfs, patches, improvements, the rare buffs (which are really nerfs to other things)..... Virtually all of these things are aimed at the 0.0 players. Some of them apply to the lowsec players. Why is it that 99% of the content released / changed in Eve caters to the absolute smallest minority of players? If more than 3/4 of all players in Eve are PvE focused, shouldn't we get more things to focus on the majority of players? Granted - the particular minority that we're speaking of are the absolute loudest, most vocal minority in Eve....but still the minority. The statisticians at CCP have spoken. The majority of Eve thinks that the PvP system we currently have absolutely blows and that PvE content is more fun and invigorating. What needs changing for carebears in high sec? More abundant asteroids, and plenty of them? More missions? (Well, ok, a little variety wouldn't kill you here CCP.) More lab slots of various types? A better miner than the Hulk? High-sec isn't focused on in patches... because... well... it's just not needed. I suppose the question is, what exactly do you think needs working on? _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets.
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:28:00 - [16] I hope the OP get's shafted. For arenas, please see guildwars. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:31:00 - [17] oh hell go play freelancer, that game is very fun. Official fanboy of jenny< pink supporter! looking to work in the art department with CCP, 3 years and counting. http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Dropthi
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:31:00 - [18] Edited by: Gnulpie on 13/11/2007 09:34:25 CCP is already adding a lot of content for the high sec, no doubt about that. Besides your point of 78% Eve happens in high sec is invalid as already pointed out. 50% of the chars are noobs, alts, whatnot. If you take this into account you get different numbers: 18% are in 0.0, 26% are in empire low sec, 56% are in empire high sec. Which means roughly the half is in high sec, the other half is not. Never trust a statistic you haven't forged yourself. And you can't be right in your mind if you say that CCP haven't added anything to the industrialists. Look only at salvaging, rigs and t2 invention. That is A LOT of content for carebears and I am quite happy about this. Of course more never hurts, haha. Edit: Arenas are stupid idea. If you want to fight, go to low sec or 0.0. Or set up some suicide op. Or ... just wardec some busy high sec corp
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:32:00 - [19] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 13/11/2007 09:33:58 ccp i want battle haulers !!
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:33:00 - [20] Edited by: Andrue on 13/11/2007 09:34:41 Those figures seem reasonable to me based on nearly forty years of experience. Most humans would much prefer to live in Empire so CCP has done well to encourage nearly a quarter of the population to venture out. In any case..CCP are not shafting anyone. If you want to enjoy the toys that are only available in 0.0 or low-sec then no-one except yourself is stopping you going there. Life is all about choices. If you choose not to participate in opportunities that are available to you then you only have yourself to blame. Stop whining about other people. Get off your lazy arse and go and do those things if you want to. There's far too many people today who want everything handed to them on a silver platter. I live in Empire because I can't be bothered to work hard to survive in 0.0 or low-sec. I accept that as a result I don't get to experience all that Eve has to offer. Luckily I'm not too bothered because it's only a game. In RL I work bloody hard and I reap the rewards of that. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.

MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:35:00 - [21] I would Also like to say... THEN WHY IS EVERYONE IN LOW SEC ****ED ABOUT THE NERF TO THEM? according to the people in 0.0 they are being too nice to the high sec players and feel like CCP is ignoring them to the high sec people CCP is ignoring the high sec players and are giving everything to the low sec players. YOUR ALL INSANE! Official fanboy of jenny< pink supporter! looking to work in the art department with CCP, 3 years and counting. http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Dropthi
Achuramale	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Gnulpie CCP is already adding a lot of content for the high sec, no doubt about that. Besides your point of 78% Eve happens in high sec is invalid as already pointed out. 50% of the chars are noobs, alts, whatnot. If you take this into account you get different numbers: 18% are in 0.0, 26% are in empire low sec, 56% are in empire high sec. Which means roughly the half is in high sec, the other half is not. Never trust a statistic you haven't forged yourself. And you can't be right in your mind if you say that CCP haven't added anything to the industrialists. Look only at salvaging, rigs and t2 invention. That is A LOT of content for carebears and I am quite happy about this. Of course more never hurts, haha. Not to mention that many 0.0/losec players resupply in highsec and since the number was apparently reached by just checking where the players are at that moment I would say you could add another 10-20% to nosec/losec population.
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:45:00 - [23] Actually I'd say the majority are for 0.0, 2nd comes hisec players, especially mission runners. In dead last are the losec players with nothing but nerfs and content being denied to them instead of introduced for them... --
Cookie Muncher	Posted - 2007.11.13 10:13:00 - [24] I thought the game was meant to involve risk vs reward, what the hell happened to that philosophy? Theres low risk and high rewards in 0.5 to 1.0. Incredibly high risk and low reward in 0.1 to 0.4. And Moderate risk and Decent rewards in 0.0. I live in 0.0 and can make more isk running missions in Empire, which I would do if they didn't bore me to death. They need to sort the risk vs reward stuff out first, its pretty stupid to say the least at the moment.
Cygnus Zhada Amarr The Wild Hunt	Posted - 2007.11.13 10:17:00 - [25] OP, you forget about 1 thing; Most 0.0 dwellers will have MORE than one high-sec alt (I have 2 0.0 chars, 4 high sec alts). Welcome to EVE Online: Press 1 for Caldari, PVE Online Press 2 for Minmatar, PVP Online Press 3 for Gallente, PWN Online Press 4 for Amarr, Lulz Online
Myz Toyou Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.13 10:18:00 - [26] So I¦m happy if you take 3/4 of all nerfs from the shoulders of us 0.0 players and put it on the station jockeys in Empire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Jubar	Posted - 2007.11.13 10:25:00 - [27] Fail thread is fail, you might be able to turn it around curzon, pull out your girlfriend alt and make everyon gawk at boobies.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.13 10:40:00 - [28] The fact that all new players start out in high-sec also messes with the numbers.
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.11.13 11:11:00 - [29] I want whatever the OP is smoking. EVE is a horrible single player game.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.11.13 11:13:00 - [30] Oh, also, the fact that most players are in highsec means lowsec and 0.0 need boosting, since they are obviously underpowered. It's like carriers are being nerfed because they are too good, everyone uses them. Thus nerf. Highsec is obviously too good, and needs a nerf :o (Actually people need a reason to go into lowsec since at the moment the highsec roids are worth more than lowsec roids and lowsec missions don't really pay any significant amount better than highsec ones). Lowsec needs roids with higher yields but of the same types as highsec so that the lowsec roids are worth the risk. At the moment it's 0.0 or highsec.



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