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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.03.03 15:09:00 -
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Matter of opinion of course.
But the difference between a ME5 and a ME10 print is only 0.75%.
Thats 7.5K per 1M....
For more numbers take a look at this : Savings between diff levels of ME BIG Lottery
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.03.03 15:19:00 -
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Quote: Matter of opinion of course.
But the difference between a ME5 and a ME10 print is only 0.75%.
Thats 7.5K per 1M....
...and since tier-2 battleships are costing around 100 million, that's 750k each and every time you produce one. That's well worth having
It's all a matter of opinion, as you say. Hell, I saw someone who had a thorax blueprint at ME133 yesterday. Think they must have got confused between months and years when setting the research time
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.03.03 15:50:00 -
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And if you build ten battleships, the profits may be considerable. It's a known mathematical fact that small things get bigger by multiplication.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.03.03 16:08:00 -
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True true
My point of view was more that of someone hunting for a BPc to get themself into a (new) Battleship, ie. individuals rather than manufactorers.
To them the (hopefully) one time extra cost of 500K-700K is miniscule compared to the overall cost. BIG Lottery
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Marcsen
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Posted - 2004.03.03 16:52:00 -
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Thanks for your calculations. I wonder what mineral values you used for it.
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BigK
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Posted - 2004.03.03 18:01:00 -
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Here's what I have come up with using the Megathron BP's as an example.
Prices are at NPC prices, except for Mega at 8500 and Zyd at 3300. 7 Mill is added in for the cost of the BPC.
Megathron (ME5) Trit: 7,495,720 Pye: 1,874,625 Mex: 469,832 Iso: 117,237 Nox: 29,266 Zyd: 6943 Meg: 2138
Total Production Cost (PE5) 85,591,696
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ME12 Trit: 7,429,554 Pye: 1,858,077 Mex: 465,684 Iso: 116,203 Nox: 29,008 Zyd: 6882 Meg: 2119
Total Production Cost (PE5) 84,897,946
Difference between ME5 and ME12 = 789,685
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2004.03.03 19:03:00 -
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Yeah at current market prices, theres about a 3 mil cost savings building a scorpion with an ME15 print as opposed to building one with ME1. The savings vs an ME5 print is something like 700k. I think the reason most prints get researched higher than ME5 is the "BP wars". Somewhere way back in the past somebody decided that they would take advantage of the average consumer not knowing the relative miniscule savings on an individual ship after ME5 on the BP, so they researched their BP to a higher level, and then loudly proclaimed "Our BP is much higher than the other guys.. buy from us and save lots of ISK". Other more scrupulous producers tried in vain to inform the public that they were overpaying for the higher ME copies. In the end, in order to be able to sell BP copies at a different price, the other producers were forced to raise the ME of their originals as well. It eventually escalated into the "ME wars" that you see now, with cruiser BPs researched to lvl 100 or more, and battleship BPs in the high teens or more. I have actually seen an ammo BP with an ME level of over 1000, and the sad thing is that the per batch savings by using the me 1025 copy vs using an ME45 copy of the same print is exactly 1 trit and 1 pyerite per batch.
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2004.03.03 19:05:00 -
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Quote:
Difference between ME5 and ME12 = 789,685
Difference is even less when you figure that current market price of mega/zyd as of yesterday was something like 7000/2900, not 8500/3300 like you figured.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.03.03 19:22:00 -
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Quote: Thanks for your calculations. I wonder what mineral values you used for it.
The *percentage* savings is regardless of mineral prices - Ie. constant.
The mineral prices only influence the actual saving in ISK (500K or 600K) - But the percentage savings remains the same. BIG Lottery
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falkyns
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Posted - 2004.03.04 16:22:00 -
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The part I enjoy is telling battleship BPc sellers that I want their ME5 copies not their ME10 copies as ME10 cost me more than I save. Then I get the pleasure of them trying to convince me otherwise.
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Machiavelli7
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Posted - 2004.03.04 16:30:00 -
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quite agree - i did the maths some time ago and i never buy higher than a BS bpc at me 5 and a cruiser bpc at me 10.
maybe this thread will show ppl that they don't need to lock those blueprints away in a research lab for months on end, freeing up slots for the rest of us. then again.. maybe not _________________________________
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Belzavior
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Posted - 2004.03.04 19:24:00 -
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ME10 is definately not worth it for the 750k savings per ship when you consider that the time the BP was in the lab for that extra 5 batchs you could of made and sold alot more ships.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.03.05 11:48:00 -
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Nice TornSoul. Niiiice TornSoul.
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Ruffles
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Posted - 2004.03.05 12:43:00 -
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Yes, whilst this is true, if you are a builder of an item you make hundreds of, any savings (and to me, mostly in trit) is a blessing.
I would probably put the blueprint back into the labs if its not currently in use, even if over 6 months I can save a few hundred thousand in trit usage.
Though, for one offs like you are discussing, I still do the price comparison based on the savings.
I agree, savings are small in some cases for the one-off buyer.
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Dirus
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Posted - 2004.03.05 16:04:00 -
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ME10 is probably the best well rounded number. ME5 is cutting it close, as in most cases you still have a considerable waste on ships.
All those ME100 BPs and stuff are kinda pointless. Only time i research stuff over ME10 is to keep the slots from unrenting themselves ********** Everyone deserves to die. You go first.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.05 16:17:00 -
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All those ME100 BPs and stuff are kinda pointless. Only time i research stuff over ME10 is to keep the slots from unrenting themselves
Probably the most accurate reason why there are so many high Me/Pe BPCs out there.
I also agree with Sib though, given the choice between any two same-priced BPCs people will go for the highest Me (unless its miles away to get it).
Given Dirus' point as being true it also shows why, through accident rather than good design, most people are "forced" to actually go to higher Me levels than they would normally do so, or, as Tornsoul rightly points out, is necessarily "worthwhile" in doing so.
Me10 does seem to be the baseline nowadays though.
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2004.03.05 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Zagum Darkfin on 05/03/2004 17:45:03 I think ME10 is enough. We have some BPCS with the ME higher but that was because we were not making any sales at the lower ME, so back into the research grind it goes.
People seem to forget when selling something its not just one issue people should consider when discussing a price. If you tell me my BPC is not worth that much more even though I sell out all the dam time and have people lined up to buy more, I will just smile at you and say "sorry, I cannot help you." Supply and Demand are also things to think about.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.05 18:05:00 -
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People seem to forget when selling something its not just one issue people should consider when discussing a price. If you tell me my BPC is not worth that much more even though I sell out all the dam time and have people lined up to buy more, I will just smile at you and say "sorry, I cannot help you." Supply and Demand are also things to think about.
Hehe: Heres the perfect example of something like that:
We get told by somebody coming to buy a Bship BPC "SoandSo sell theirs for Xisk".... so, obviously, we ask why they haven't bought from them then.. reply being "They are sold out."
Unfortunately some folks seem to miss the implications of that though.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2004.03.05 19:29:00 -
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Well, BSC has an ME:39 Scorp BP. Whenever it isn't in use, its either copying or researching. --------
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.03.06 17:21:00 -
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Quote: Well, BSC has an ME:39 Scorp BP. Whenever it isn't in use, its either copying or researching.
rofl - You guys need to work on your marketing (No offense )
@Morkt Some very good points made. BIG Lottery
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