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Berendas
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Posted - 2012.01.29 20:14:00 -
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Hey all, I've been putting together a lot of fits for the new and improved assault frigs, and I have had trouble deciding on AB or MWD based setups. Obviously it comes down to the particular ship, but I was wondering what your opinions were on which AF's were best used with MWD's vs. AB's. I am most interested in the Vengeance, which I will use to fight other frigate hulls and maybe the odd cruiser, but I am interested in your thoughts on prop mods for the other AF's as well. |
Berendas
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Posted - 2012.01.29 22:14:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I think it depends what you're trying to do. I'd probably AB any vengeance fit, but there's a few Hawk and Jag fits I put a MWD on.
-Liang
Most Hawk fits I see run AB + dual webs and either an MSE or small booster, its actually about the only AF that I see pretty uniform agreement on what prop mod to use guess there is some debate on the Hawk though.
As for the Vengeance, the fit I am leaning towards is a dual rep setup. I am at work and don't have access to EFT, so some of the t2 mods might need to be dropped to best named:
-Dual Rep Vengeance-
[High slots] Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Small Energy Neutralizer II
[Med slots] 1mn Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Small Cap Booster II - 200 charges
[Low Slots] Damage Control II Small Armor Repairer II Small Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
I will update the above setup when I get home, but these are the approximate stats that I remember-
~151 dps ~224 dps tank ~8.4k EHP ~810 m/s Unfortunately I don't remember how long the cap lasts, although I think it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 1m 30s.
This setup can also use a MWD, all you have to do is drop the t2 scram to a j5b and drop the neut for a t2 200mm autocannon iirc. There was also a super buffer Vengeance fit I was thinking of trying, but atm I don't remember enough of it to justify posting, but it had a MWD and about 17.5k EHP and ~170 dps. If you guys can offer any advice on the dual rep fit though I would be grateful. |
Berendas
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Posted - 2012.01.30 04:42:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:It looks good on paper, but a vengeance without a web won't apply full rocket damage to other frigates. Other AB frigates will be able to escape at will. And a web/AB Enyo will kill you every time. No frigate tank can eat 440 DPS. It is more of a paper rock scissors game. The perfect fit will be elusive.
Yeah, that's my worry. Dedicating a slot to a cap booster basically ensures that you can never lock down another frigate. The more I think about it, the better the Hawk looks |
Berendas
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Posted - 2012.01.30 05:03:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Berendas wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:It looks good on paper, but a vengeance without a web won't apply full rocket damage to other frigates. Other AB frigates will be able to escape at will. And a web/AB Enyo will kill you every time. No frigate tank can eat 440 DPS. It is more of a paper rock scissors game. The perfect fit will be elusive. Yeah, that's my worry. Dedicating a slot to a cap booster basically ensures that you can never lock down another frigate. The more I think about it, the better the Hawk looks I must have imagined killing all those frig and AFs with my no-web Harpy. -Liang
What sort of Harpy fit do you use? |
Berendas
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Posted - 2012.01.30 05:17:00 -
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Interesting, the Harpy fits I was considering were mostly dual MSE. The passive recharge on those is pretty impressive, as is the buffer. I don't know how I feel about giving up substantial dps to get the PG for the tank though. |
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Posted - 2012.01.30 22:45:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I thought about going that route with it, but I'm pretty skeptical of the ability to hold that SSB up without a cap booster. Take a look at my Blarpy videos to see just how heavy neuting pressure on a Blarpy can be.
-Liang
Watched your vids, the Harpy play is impressive. Also, the new missed shot effect on turrets looked really cool with that Harbinger |
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Posted - 2012.02.03 23:57:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:
I was in my Ishkur yesterday with an AB, scram, and cap booster in mid slots. I had a coercer chasing me who I knew was using t2 medium pulse lasers. I looked up his fit on BC. He kept trying to land at his optimal and started pounding me with his lasers at 20KM or so.
With an AB, I wasn't confident that I could get under his guns before I would pop. So I bailed. I couldn't help but think if I had a MWD that I could easily go in real fast, set orbit at 2500, and blast away. He had no tank as he was using 2-3 TEs and a heat sink in his low slot.
Do you think I could've closed that 20KM distance and get under his guns with my repper and AB? What's the optimal on his guns? I don't fly Amarr ships so I wouldn't know.
Edit: BC said he 1 or 2 fits in regards to his high slots. It was either all medium pulse lasers or 5-6 medium pulse lasers and 2-3 dual light lasers. I guess he was hedging
If he was hitting you at 20km, he would be using Scorch. You could try to close range, but he would pretty easily track you while you moved in. Just before you would get to your own optimal, he probably would have switched to faction Multifrequency, and then he would have a much closer optimal. Trying to close on a Coercer from 20km with an AB frig is a pretty bad idea, I would only try it if you had a flight of EC-300's to break off his damage while you closed in. |
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Posted - 2012.02.04 19:15:00 -
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Nalha Saldana wrote:With the new passive bonus the mwd fit should speed tank better as long as you keep high speed. You should choose the AB only when you need the cap or scram immunity.
It seems like most of the time AF's are up against other frig hulls or the odd cruiser. In both cases I think scram immunity is huge, although I only PVP in low sec now. It's very possible MWD AF's are big in high sec and 0.0 as heavy tacklers or something else. |
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