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The Lobster
Amarr The Last Horizon Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.18 16:47:00 -
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Good day all,
Firstly, a bit of background on me. I am an approx 12 million skill point Armarr ship pilot, with reasonable gunnery and spaceship command skills. My motherboard on my main PC has died, leaving my just my laptop that can't run EVE (it is 8 years old and yes I have tried).
Now, when I get back into EVE I was wondering about the benefits of cross training to another races ships. This is going to be a general overview of the skills ETC that I think that I would need to train, so please correct me where I go wrong.
Firstly I would have to choose a race to cross train. Now, before we get started I would just like to say that I do not like the look of the Gallente ships. I have nothing against people who do fly them, but as a personal preference I do not like them. This leaves Minmatar or Caldari.
If I cross trained to Minmatar I already have the armour tanking skills, and I understand that some Minmatar ships armour tank, some shield tank and some speed tank well. Another advantage would be that my gunnery support skills would still be widely used as I would be using projectiles. I also quite like the idea of firing large bullets at people from an autocannon or artillery piece. The Minmatar ships that interest me would be the rifter, stabber and the Hurricane.
Caldari ships would require me learning a whole new set of tanking skills and the missile skills, but from what I understand you do not need to have millions of skill points in missiles in order to be semi effective with missiles. The Caldari Ships that interest me are the kestrel, Carcal and the Rokh.
The Caldari also use ECM which I would not mind trying out at some point as well.
The other option would be to stick with training amarr ships for the time being and not bother with the cross training. Now I would like to point out that I do not intent to abandon the amarr ships, I was just thinking about having a bit of a change.
So what are peoples thoughts? Ideas? Flames?
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Inen
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.18 17:55:00 -
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I don't know how you can be flamed for an honest question but these are the Eve forums.
Anyways, I am not a fan of cross training. I like to apply as many skillpoints to one class of ships possible. I have not flown Amarr ships and I do not know how true the statements on these forms are.
Now, if you were to cross train, I would say go with Minmatar and here are my reasons:
1)You mentioned not wanting to train shields if you didn't have to, but if you go Caldari you'll have to regardless. If you train shield skills at least it will help Minmatar ships as well as your armor skills which help both Minmatar and Amarr.
2) As mentioned, your gunnery skills help Minmatar but Minmatar also use missiles and drones, which Amarr ships also use.
3) Navigation skills are useful no matter what ships you fly and they really aide in both Minmatar and Amarr because both races have viable speed tanked ships.
BUT this is not to say that I say you stick with Amarr and forget cross training, but if you do, go minmatar.
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Neon Razor
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.18 18:04:00 -
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atm i am cross training amarr to caldari i have 48mill sp and i am here to tell you why i have cross trained
about 2 months back i found myself able to fly every amarr ship in game then looking at my skills i realised that i was sitting on 6.7mill sp in missiles and over 4mill sp in drones. then i looked at the raves that i could cross train to easy i looked at minny but that would require me to train a full new gunnery set then i looked at galenti and found the same that i wold hav to learn a full new gunnery set then i turned my eyes to caldari i looked at the missile boats and found out that i had maxed the skills requered for flying the ship and equipping the only skills i was missing was tactical shield manip 5 and the shield comp skills and the ship skills.
out of all the races i found caldari to be the quickest cross train and all the skills trained while crossing to caldari would help me as an amarr pilot due to extra resists on shield and things. all the other races would leave me with 5-6mill sp in a weapon that would not help my main race out at all.
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Dogs Breath
Antipodean inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.18 20:46:00 -
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but if you went gallente all you would need is hybrids... by far the easiest to train for...
caldari needs missiles, hybrids, shield tank matar needs missiles, projectiles, shield tank gallente needs hybrids amarr you can already fly :P
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The Lobster
Amarr The Last Horizon Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.18 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dogs Breath but if you went gallente all you would need is hybrids... by far the easiest to train for...
caldari needs missiles, hybrids, shield tank matar needs missiles, projectiles, shield tank gallente needs hybrids amarr you can already fly :P
I am aware of this, but I don't like the Gallente ships / play style (droneage). I know they would be the easiest but I just don't want to fly them (again no disrespect to Gallente pilots but I personally don't like them)
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Neon Razor
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.18 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dogs Breath but if you went gallente all you would need is hybrids... by far the easiest to train for...
caldari needs missiles, hybrids, shield tank matar needs missiles, projectiles, shield tank gallente needs hybrids amarr you can already fly :P
amarr needs lasers / missiles / drones / armor tank / shield tank caldari (missile boats) need missiles / drones / shield tank
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.18 22:45:00 -
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minmatar needs: EVERYTHING
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.11.19 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Neon Razor
Originally by: Dogs Breath but if you went gallente all you would need is hybrids... by far the easiest to train for...
caldari needs missiles, hybrids, shield tank matar needs missiles, projectiles, shield tank gallente needs hybrids amarr you can already fly :P
amarr needs lasers / missiles / drones / armor tank / shield tank caldari (missile boats) need missiles / drones / shield tank
there is 1 rail boat for each ship class for caldari.
although with the torp changes go caldari
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Feyran Loa'thin
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Posted - 2007.11.19 09:36:00 -
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the pertinent question when looking at training another race and their ships is "which ships do you think look cool as ****!?" everything else is just silly and irrelevant.
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Deverian Tarik
Caldari Tanis Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.19 11:17:00 -
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Go Caldari.
Yes, you'll have to train shield tanking skills, but there is no need to train missile skills if you really don't want to, you could always just go down the rail-boat route, and Rokhs are mighty fine ships.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.11.19 11:36:00 -
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Go Caldari.
Khanid ships use missiles, and it seems like alot of the future Amarr ships might utilize missiles more.
If you go the Caldari path and ONLY use missile boats, that benefits you for Khanid ships, the shield skills from Caldari will also beef up your tank with Amarr.
RP-wise Amarr and Caldari are allies.
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djenghis jan
Amarr Debiloff's Vanguard
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Posted - 2007.11.19 11:47:00 -
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Hi,
I am cross training all races atm. I started out as a fanatic Amarr specialist, but got tired of being the weak link in everything other than large fleet engagements. I have close to 50 mil sp, but if you strip capital and bs stuff you see you can do it with around 20 mil sp.
The trick is to use battle cruisers first. This requires only one rank 6 (battle cruiser) to be top line. Racial cruiser can be lvl 3 since it is not a bonus factor. Then start training for the medium weapons on lvl 5 and specialization lvl4.
If you have that you can up the cruiser stuff to lvl5 and gain access to hac/recon/logistics/command ship.
This gives you a nice role in both small gang/large fleet combat and solo-pvp. Also you can use the caldari bc for lvl3 missions to get money. The nice thing about bc is that they are cheap and easy to replace. The fitting is also a lot cheaper than battleship type weapons.
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Damned Force
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Posted - 2007.11.27 12:49:00 -
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Hi m8,
TBH dont train cross for other races. Make better what u can use. Amarr is not that bad. But u can train for missiles, because the new khanid ships are great.
ceptor: meladict is a great tackler HAC: the sacri is maybe the best of the hacs atm command: absolution have great tank and great dps, damnation is even better tank dread, carrier, titan: the amarr are the best
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The Lobster
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.11.27 22:37:00 -
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I would firstly like to thank everyone who has given me advice in this topic.
I am not intending to fully cross train to another race, but it sometimes gets a little dull using all the same ships all the time. In the end I think I will end up about 80% Amarr and 20% other stuff.
Cheers guys
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Amuko
Amarr Happy Little Roid Huggers
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Posted - 2007.11.27 23:32:00 -
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I crosstrained. I can fly 1 race fully and 2 races halfway. I don't regret it, especially cruiser levels are awesome, doesn't require THAT much training but opens up lots of options, go minmatar for example, you get a speed hac, a sniper hac, 2 good commandships, a nice bc, nice recons..
You can only specialize so far, I wasn't interested in caps at the time (got 30mil sp now, might train caps sometime). Personally, I love being able to chose what I fly every time I undock, and not being restricted to the same race.
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ChimeraRouge
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.11.28 05:03:00 -
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yeah don't bother cross training it's a waste of time, stick with your race.
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Pedro Montana
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Posted - 2007.11.28 19:00:00 -
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Ive cross trained Caldari and Gallante but am Minmatar born (my adopted parents moved alot????)
While most of my points are in the Caldari skills (I love the Falcon and Buzzard and find the Raven to be acceptable for missions (non faction fit its only so so)) I also fly Gallante Transports and Freighters and really enjoy using the Vexor and Myrm in 0.0 ratting and exploration due to less ammo issues (And the drone skills dont hurt my scorp or raven at all).
I found picking up the T2 armor tank skills to be not that much extra work and planned on using rail boats anyway for pvp so I picked up the gunnery skills even though I only fly the Gallante drone boats.
I did lose some points from my primary race but love having the extra options. (That and until the next nerf..the Myrm is just an awesome 0.0 ratter with no ammo issues).
I would recommend if your going to cross train do like already mentioned. Pick a primary race for Battleship and Cap ships...for your secondary race stop at Battlecruisers. Gives you more options and variety without too much training time lost.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 12:03:00 -
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At least in my opinion, when you reach a certain level it's worth it to crosstrain. For instanec, I won't train any t2 gun specialization skill over lvl4 since I can spend those 30 days (or whatever) to train something else. Ofcourse, you're a long way from being "complete", but my suggestion would be to switch to "secondary stuff", like training up drone and missile skills, then train ships specialisations (hacs/commands) to lvl5 and only after that start to crosstrain. |
Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.30 11:13:00 -
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I support cross-training, but I'd definitely recommend getting more SP under your belt first. When you have the auxiliary (support) skills in engineering, electronics, mechanics and navigation, extending your selection of ships (piloted decently) is quite fast.
Obviously your preference of ship classes also comes into question: it's much easier to be adept in several races if you are focused on only frigs or cruisers for instance.
Personally I started out as Gallente but immediately went for Caldari aswell. I then returned to max my gallente expertise a bit later, then finished what I had started on the Caldari side and recently took up Minmatar aswell. Now I'm relatively adept in all three races.
For Caldari, training T2 heavy missiles and supporting missile skills to 4 (except Rapid Launch to 5) gets you a long way. You can do that before training the spaceship command skills and make use of missiles on some amarr ships. And when you have them, training that Cruiser 4 or 5 is pretty fast, assuming that's the size of ships you want to fly.
I wouldn't recommend going for another race's battleship class yet, though. Get at least 20-25m total sp before that, unless you want to neglect the smaller classes and specialise in a raven for example. ---
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Vanlade
Amarr Blood Holocaust
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Posted - 2007.11.30 15:15:00 -
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I am Amarr specialist with 33mil SP, and everytime that I train a new skill I train it to level V.
When have all Amarr related skills to V, I may consider crosstraining. In that case my choice is obvious: Caldari.
In the backstory Amarr and Caldari are "together" against Minmatar and Gallente. Also, there are interrestings faction ships which require both Amarr and Caldari spaceships command. Finally, Khanid ships focus on Missiles just like many caldari ships.
So to cross-train caldari, I would only need to get shield skills and spaceships command skills. The Missile Launcher Operations would already be maxed out for Khanid ships.
Amarr Victor
- Vanlade
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Danbar Roth
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.01 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: Danbar Roth on 01/12/2007 02:44:14 I am pushing 24mil sp, and totally Amarr spec. Approaching 7mil in gunnery and only 38k in missiles, wouldn't (to help out the OP decide) to focus on more gunnery related skills (hybrid/projectile) since I am pretty much maxed out on gunnery support skills, if I were to cross train?
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Kalidann
Caldari Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2007.12.01 07:34:00 -
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Amarr for pew pew Caldari for Ka'Ching
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MalVortex
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Posted - 2007.12.01 10:16:00 -
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Cross training Caldari/Missile combat will also give you access to the Amar Missile ships, which are *quite* good. Missiles (for specific classes) train up fast, shield tanking trains up fast... Cruiser V will be your biggest obstacle really.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.01 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 01/12/2007 10:44:40 I have a character with three times your skill points and only in Amarr ships - I would recommend, if you really plan on mastering a race, to spend more time mastering one race is almost always better unless there is a spacific ship you would rather fly of another race.
Atius is in Minmatar ships also, and it will take a long time before I am really satisfied with his potential in that race.
As it stands, there is little reason to. -----------
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Leora Nomen
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Posted - 2007.12.02 13:10:00 -
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If you do a lot of PVE - run missions, rat - i'm sure you'll find cross training to Caldari more useful. If you're like to do more of solo/small gang pvp then Minmatar. If you want to just spend a little bit of time to train to fly some more variety of ships then train both. If you're training to gain skills that will actually be useful to you (get into tech II ships and weapons) then you should consider what would be more useful to you as a player based on what you like to do in game and train accordingly.
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