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Darth Achari
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Posted - 2007.11.27 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Avon I have Virgin cable (20Mb) and it is great.
The problem with virgin is that during peak hours they use traffic shapeing and throttling which could mean that you 20 meg connection suddenly becomes a 4 meg one
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.11.27 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Achari
Originally by: Avon I have Virgin cable (20Mb) and it is great.
The problem with virgin is that during peak hours they use traffic shapeing and throttling which could mean that you 20 meg connection suddenly becomes a 4 meg one
Which people who aren't using adsl think is slow for peak times.
Hell, most UK adsl users consider themselves lucky to get that ever. ----- "Why can't you just be friends?" -- Oveur |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2007.11.27 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 27/11/2007 16:02:22 I had a reliable connection from BT, never had any problems with it but it was only 512K and the cost ...
Not by my own choice I'm on Talktalk now. They're cheap, but I wouldn't recommend them to anyone. There's worse (such as Tiscali) but I've still had loads of issues - I still don't even get 1MB and at certain times my DL rate drops to as low as 150K, when it's supposed to be a 16MB service
Plusnet used to be quite good too, but I don't know what they're like these days -----
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.27 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Achari
Originally by: Avon I have Virgin cable (20Mb) and it is great.
The problem with virgin is that during peak hours they use traffic shapeing and throttling which could mean that you 20 meg connection suddenly becomes a 4 meg one
Which they only do when you d/l more than a couple of gigs during those peak hours. Moral: Download stuff when you are in bed.
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Motokko
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Posted - 2007.11.27 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Which they only do when you d/l more than a couple of gigs during those peak hours. Moral: Download stuff when you are in bed.
I have to disagree. I'd say moral of the story is, change provider becuase you're being scammed. Think about it from a purely quantative point of view:
I run a company that provides product 'A', and to each customer I advertise that for their money they'll get 'x' amount of 'A'. However my product is actualy in the form of a shared pool of amount 'y'. Now as long as 'n*x < y' where 'n' is the number of customers then I can always deliver on my advertised promise.
The thing is, most people dont use the full 'x' amount but only a fraction of it. This means that I can increase 'n' without increasing 'y' and hence make more money with no extra expense to me. No one will even notice the difference as long as 'd*n*x < y' where 'd' is the statical average fraction of 'x' that my customers use.
This is already wrong however since if 'd' where to increase significantly then everyone would start receiving less than 'x' and thus not getting all that they're paying for.
Now it gets even worse though. Virgin have reached saturation where 'd*n*x = y'. The only way for them now to keep increasing their profits without further expense is to decrease 'd', ie: traffic shaping. Everyone now starts receiving less than promised.
The worst thing is that they've got people convised that the cause of the decreased performance is the bandwidth hogs, ie: those who make 'd' rise, when in fact the problem is that they dont supply enough 'y' compared to 'n'. Also why do you think they never state hard limits? Its so they can continue to squeeze their customers at whim to keep increasing their profits.
At least that's the way I see it. Its the only way it makes sense from a business point of view.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.27 17:33:00 -
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That is far too technical for me, and so I have to use the donut model of t3h int3rw3bz.
The average net connection speed in the UK from the latest figures is 4Mb/s - let's say that is half a donut per second, 30 donuts per minute, so a maximum of 1800 donuts per hour.
Now, my 20Mb connection is 2.5 donuts/s, 150 donuts per minute, or a whopping 9000 donuts per hour!
Now, my service provider says that anyone who consumes more than 5000 donuts between 4pm and midnight is a greedy pig who needs their consumption limited, otherwise the donuts will all run out. Still, I don't care, I'm going on a binge. I scoff those 5000 donuts in just 33 minutes, and my provider then limits me to just 37.5 donuts per minute for the next four hours .. that's still another 9000 donuts \o/ So, by 8:33pm I have consumed 14000 donuts.
By 8:33pm on "average" broadband I can only possibly have eaten 8190 donuts, and that is almost a bloody diet!
Now, let's imagine I actually started my feat at the very start of the day.
Midnight to 8:33pm on Virgin I get to consume 158,000 donuts, whereas on "average" broadband I can only get my hands on 36,990 of them - 121010 less!
I'm not giving up 121k donuts for anyone (or 12.1gigs if you don't like donuts)
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Motokko
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Posted - 2007.11.27 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Motokko on 27/11/2007 17:55:33
I see you've bought into the spin they put on it. The point is, the company says I can have 100 dohnuts for my money. Everyone else has also been told they can have 100 dohnuts. But then the company starts getting greedy and invites too many people to the feast without supplying enough dohnuts for everyone. Instead of buying more dohnuts they instead start pointing their fingers at people calling them fatties and saying everyone needs to go on a diet.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.27 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 27/11/2007 18:04:53
Originally by: Motokko Edited by: Motokko on 27/11/2007 17:55:33
I see you've bought into the spin they put on it. The point is, the company says I can have 100 dohnuts for my money. Everyone else has also been told they can have 100 dohnuts. But then the company starts getting greedy and invites too many people to the feast without supplying enough dohnuts for everyone. Instead of buying more dohnuts they instead start pointing their fingers at people calling them fatties and saying everyone needs to go on a diet.
That arguement would hold if Virgin had total control over the worldwide donut supply logistics infrastructure, but they don't.
I am getting the service I pay for. At any time I can download at over 2megabytes a second, so long as I don't want to do it continually during peak hours. If I want to download something huge, I do it when I am asleep .. surfing the web and playing online games is never going to get close to 5gigs usage.
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Motokko
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Posted - 2007.11.27 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Motokko Edited by: Motokko on 27/11/2007 17:55:33
I see you've bought into the spin they put on it. The point is, the company says I can have 100 dohnuts for my money. Everyone else has also been told they can have 100 dohnuts. But then the company starts getting greedy and invites too many people to the feast without supplying enough dohnuts for everyone. Instead of buying more dohnuts they instead start pointing their fingers at people calling them fatties and saying everyone needs to go on a diet.
That arguement would hold if Virgin had total control over the worldwide donut supply logistics infrastructure, but they don't.
But we're not talking about limits on global infastructure, only the limits on the infrastructure which Virgin claims they can provide and charges you for.
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Hydraxian
Gallente Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.27 18:27:00 -
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A few weeks ago, my mobile broke and i had to change my contract (advirtised O2 deals were expensive w/phone) so i went down to phones4u and they gave me this offer... which was resonably, so the next day i went to cancel my old contract with O2.... they asked me what i had gotten to replace it.. then they offered me an even better deal... so i went back to phones4u to take back the new phone.... i told them what i was offered by O2.. and they gave me a even better deal!
So.. im currently on a ú20/m contract where i should be paying ú35. The morale of that story, is to call up the various companies and play them against each other, each time telling the other company that you got a better deal... im going to try and do something similar with my DSL package when i go home at xmas :P
On another note think broadband is a useful site for looking at the various ISPs as is ISP review
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.11.27 18:50:00 -
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I would rather have the Virgin 20M cable service than the adsl I can get. I'm not a moron, I know what speeds it works at and it works at a humungously faster speed than adsl any time of the day no matter how heavily I use it.
Leaving cable for adsl because sometimes it's only 25% faster than adsl at peak times is cutting off your nose to spite your face. ----- "Why can't you just be friends?" -- Oveur |
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