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Wardeneo
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Posted - 2007.11.26 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Wardeneo on 26/11/2007 12:02:18
Edited by: Wardeneo on 26/11/2007 12:01:07
is the falcon actually good for anything?
coz all the other fprce recons seem so much better ...
gellente 48km scram range, minmitar, 40km web range
so are they good at anything?
wardeneo
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Moon on 26/11/2007 12:11:53
Edited by: Twilight Moon on 26/11/2007 12:03:54
Uncloaking and jamming in your face. I don't see nothing wrong with them. I just remembered the Establishment dumped Hera (Nyx) on my face using a Falcon once. Definite brown trousers moment.
Ask Amarr players what they think of the Pilgrim for example.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 12:16:00 -
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Nope theyre useless, leaves them cheap :D
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kessah
Blood Corsair's
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2007.11.26 12:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Sokratesz
Nope theyre useless, leaves them cheap :D
dont worry they aint.
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Maximillian Dragonard
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Posted - 2007.11.26 12:38:00 -
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yeah, price blipped up pretty hard when ccp upped the bonus to 20% to str/recon level (woot!)... and to the OP, for a dedicated ECM pilot, the falcon is 
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Originally by: Sokratesz
Nope theyre useless, leaves them cheap :D
dont worry they aint.
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Wardeneo
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Posted - 2007.11.26 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Wardeneo on 26/11/2007 13:24:26
so can falcons cloak, uncloak , target automatically and jam?
wardeneo
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Wardeneo
Edited by: Wardeneo on 26/11/2007 13:24:26
so can falcons cloak, uncloak , target automatically and jam?
wardeneo
They have a short but notable targeting delay after uncloak, but if you intend to be far off the fight then those 5 seconds will make little difference.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.11.26 13:31:00 -
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The falcon is very good at what it does, and that is jamming.
The falcon is not good at anything else, including (but not limited to): killing ships, killing shuttles, killing pods, hurting a fly, hauling, nanoing, tanking, inspiring fear, solo-play, mining and mission running.
But man, does it make a mean jammer 
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Wardeneo
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Posted - 2007.11.26 13:33:00 -
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aahhhh ok
so any 1's oppinion on what cov ops recon ship is the best?
wardeneo
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wardeneo
aahhhh ok
so any 1's oppinion on what cov ops recon ship is the best?
wardeneo
What situation are you in?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 13:35:00 -
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..And its going to be alot meaner now that it gets the +20%/lvl bonus instead of +10% with trinity
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Rhino Phillips
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Posted - 2007.11.26 13:49:00 -
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Falcon is quite good. With racials you are sitting about 150+- km from actual fight and you have power to put 2-4 (7 if youre lucky bastard) ships out of fight for at least 20s. Just dont expect to last long if someone catches you... even with 1600 plate in one low its going down pretty fast and tanking isnt an option. As someone already said here , jamming is the only thing this ship can do and wasting even one mid slot for tank is misuse of the ship.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Wardeneo
Edited by: Wardeneo on 26/11/2007 13:44:24
aahhhh ok
so any 1's oppinion on what cov ops recon ship is the best?
i personaly like the gellente ones because i like the idea of scrammin some1 up 2 48km away :p
and u can damp even the longest range ships down under ur scram range so u can orbit em at 40-45km and damp em 2 under 40km so u dont get touched :)
wardeneo
You can do alot further than 48km.
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Wardeneo
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Posted - 2007.11.26 13:58:00 -
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so with all that whats the max range?
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Akat
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.26 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Akat on 26/11/2007 14:23:36
Originally by: Sokratesz
..And its going to be alot meaner now that it gets the +20%/lvl bonus instead of +10% with trinity
While true and very welcome, the only problem I have is there won't be much reason to fly the rook. Aside from the rook's points which aren't very useful at +150km, the falcon will become a rook that just happens to warp around cloaked.
I would rather see a "slight" increase to ecm strength to bring the falcon up to par with the rook's current jamming power as opposed to giving it the same bonus.
Originally by: Wardeneo
so with all that whats the max range?
With decent skills (lvl 4) its effective to 150km, not counting falloff. Add rigs to extend range, and you get a whole new type of animal.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Akat
Edited by: Akat on 26/11/2007 14:23:36
Originally by: Sokratesz
..And its going to be alot meaner now that it gets the +20%/lvl bonus instead of +10% with trinity
While true and very welcome, the only problem I have is there won't be much reason to fly the rook. Aside from the rook's points which aren't very useful at +150km, the falcon will become a rook that just happens to warp around cloaked.
Aye true, but the rook is getting a third low, too, giving it the 1600 plate option. It could really do with more HP or a missile velocity bonus to make up for the range thing.
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Waxau
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 18:10:00 -
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Lol - Falcon is damn good for those who know how to use it. I have many a corp mate who worship the rook over the falcon. But despite their arguements, evidence and opinions, i still go with the falcon prepatch, and most certainly after patch.
The true death of an ECM pilot is that of being called primary, or even more so - The opposition knowing you have ECM support. Thus the cloak is your life saver. You can warp into battle at 100km....wait for it all to quiet down, their ecm to reveal themselves, and BAM - Jam their ecm. Falcon tbh is a god at counter-jamming. Just fit 3 caldari ecm, and the rest min/gal.
Or even travelling with loot in ure hold (faction etc). If someone locks you and attacks, just jam and fly off.
Ive only ever lost 2 falcons. 1 was to a friendly thanatos wanting to test his fighters on me (after i had cyno'd him in...) and he instapopped me.
The other by being impatient and double tapping the cloak. Lag got the better, and instantly cloaked and decloaked. Wasnt nice :(
But as for it being a good force recon...Its one of the best for small gangs. And one of the best for larger gangs. The ability to knock out multiple ships many call overpowered, but at the end of the day, your survivability is luck based. And thats all you can do too.
So yes - theyre awesome :P
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr
The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.11.26 18:10:00 -
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well i will get one sooner or later and i think my main task with it would be moveing small amounts of cargo to and from 0.0 stations...
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Tarnag
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.26 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Wardeneo
and u can damp even the longest range ships down under ur scram range so u can orbit em at 40-45km and damp em 2 under 40km so u dont get touched :)
wardeneo
but the other side of it is jamming that super tanked megathron that is chewing your gang mates up so you can all survive, not just you.
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2007.11.26 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Hugh Ruka on 26/11/2007 20:47:47
bought one for 50m isk, sold for 75. should have waited a bit longer :-((
these will be the hottest selling ships after Kali 3 - invention heaven ?
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Gaogan
Gallente
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.11.26 21:09:00 -
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After trinity there will be 9 frigates in game with the same scram range bonus, making the gallente recons not nearly as special. Combine with the damp nerf and you're better off bringing just about anything else.
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Menf
Seraphin Technologies
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.26 21:27:00 -
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the falcon is good in what it used to be
its just the way how you use them
its no ship for stay uncloaked and jam like hell... like an scorp or rook
the falcon is more for emergency jams...uncloak if something need to be jammed...throw in all you have and cloak again
if you stay uncloaked its a question of time you will be target of several vagabonds or long-range-ships
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gaogan
After trinity there will be 9 frigates in game with the same scram range bonus, making the gallente recons not nearly as special. Combine with the damp nerf and you're better off bringing just about anything else.
I think you are wrong there. . .but thats a differnet topic.
The falcon, in the hands of a well skilled and smart player is a combat multiplyer like no other recon is.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.26 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ruah Piskonit
Originally by: Gaogan
After trinity there will be 9 frigates in game with the same scram range bonus, making the gallente recons not nearly as special. Combine with the damp nerf and you're better off bringing just about anything else.
I think you are wrong there. . .but thats a differnet topic.
The falcon, in the hands of a well skilled and smart player is a combat multiplyer like no other recon is.
Keres and 4 of the interceptors... so I think its 5. ;-)
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Wishy
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Posted - 2007.11.26 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Ruah Piskonit
Originally by: Gaogan
After trinity there will be 9 frigates in game with the same scram range bonus, making the gallente recons not nearly as special. Combine with the damp nerf and you're better off bringing just about anything else.
I think you are wrong there. . .but thats a differnet topic.
The falcon, in the hands of a well skilled and smart player is a combat multiplyer like no other recon is.
Keres and 4 of the interceptors... so I think its 5. ;-)
Liang
If im right its only 5% to warp scramb range -,- so with lvl 4 its 28 Not sure tho
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DeadDuck
Amarr
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.26 22:55:00 -
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Yeah Falcons suck.. what is the purpose of having a ship capable of warping cloack and jam your opponent to oblivion ???? 
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NateX
Singularity.
Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.26 22:59:00 -
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uncloak 100 km above fight - jam x ships - recloak - warp to your safespot 100 km below fight - repeat
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Yoko Lee
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Posted - 2007.11.26 23:07:00 -
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I use the falcon for small gang (low sec).
work really nice for me and my gang; its just, for me, the better recon for gang.
I never lose my falcon.
I love this ship and i never use (or a little) my rook, too much important for me to be cloack 
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Cailais
Amarr
W A R
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Posted - 2007.11.26 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Wardeneo
Edited by: Wardeneo on 26/11/2007 12:02:18
Edited by: Wardeneo on 26/11/2007 12:01:07
is the falcon actually good for anything?
coz all the other fprce recons seem so much better ...
gellente 48km scram range, minmitar, 40km web range
so are they good at anything?
wardeneo
I notice you didnt even mention the pilgrim...
Falcon is a very handy suprise in small gang ops & devilishly hard to kill.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.26 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
I notice you didnt even mention the pilgrim...
The Pilgrim is complete and utter garbage now - and its being nerfed in Trinity.
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Monticore D'Muertos
Caldari
United Society Starfleet
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.26 23:44:00 -
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new falcon pilot here just 1 question i had, does the jam stilll last the 20second even if you cloak and warp off or do you need to hold the lock? dumb 1 but hey ya never know
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Nyxus
Amarr
GALAXIAN
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Posted - 2007.11.26 23:49:00 -
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Quote:
The falcon, in the hands of a well skilled and smart player is a combat multiplyer like no other recon is.
QFT. Listen to this man. A Falcon can absolutely turn the tide in smaller engagements.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.26 23:53:00 -
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<.<
The pilgrim, the most useless ship in the game, is being nerfed?!
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magmorel
Caldari
Maelstrom Crew
Mournival Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.27 01:32:00 -
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The falcon or a small group of falcons (3) can and will make your opfor think twice about engaging especially when they are not setup for 200km. And with all the stations ussually haveing 5-100 cans around then you can warp all over the board and they wont ever find you.
The key to a good falcon pilot is to wait. Let that first bs or bc get killed and then when the FC calls out primary and secondary targets you uncloak, hit the sensor booster and jam out the secondary. Pick 2-5 more targets, ussually ravens or megas and jam them out.
Once the enemy is deep into combat and starts noticing the ECM they will have to completely change their game plan. So yes id say the falcon is by far the most usefull recon, especially when your corp mates are free to then use dps rather then more recons.
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Waxau
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.27 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: magmorel
The falcon or a small group of falcons (3) can and will make your opfor think twice about engaging especially when they are not setup for 200km. And with all the stations ussually haveing 5-100 cans around then you can warp all over the board and they wont ever find you.
You dont leave high sec much, do ya? ^^
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AK Shaman
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Posted - 2007.11.27 12:13:00 -
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with pathetic bonus +10% per level to jam strenght, falcon is pretty useless ...
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Yoko Lee
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Posted - 2007.11.27 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: AK Shaman
with pathetic bonus +10% per level to jam strenght, falcon is pretty useless ...
useless ? oO
My gang love my falcon, why?
Pilgrim is useless, falcon is a great ship
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Maximillian Dragonard
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Posted - 2007.11.27 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: AK Shaman
with pathetic bonus +10% per level to jam strenght, falcon is pretty useless ...
News flash... new Falcon jam strength will be +20% per recon level in Trinity 
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Almarez
Setenta Corp
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.11.27 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon
Edited by: Twilight Moon on 26/11/2007 12:11:53
Edited by: Twilight Moon on 26/11/2007 12:03:54
Uncloaking and jamming in your face. I don't see nothing wrong with them. I just remembered the Establishment dumped Hera (Nyx) on my face using a Falcon once. Definite brown trousers moment.
Ask Amarr players what they think of the Pilgrim for example.
How dare you mention the Pilgrim. Man that ship really sucks now. "Crying imoticon here."
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.27 16:32:00 -
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There is no reason to disdain the caldari recons as worse. Both caldari and gallente get Ewar that helps them to protec themseves.
Just an anedote of what happened to a pilot that i know:
Pilot A in rapier locks pilot B, jam and web him at around 25 km with its faction stuff. Then starts to speed tank at a bit over 3 km/s.
Pilot B in Sleipnir, loads barrage, lock Pilot A
Pilot B; Dies
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Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2007.11.27 18:50:00 -
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Fit recon probe launcher.
Scan juicy target out.
Warp in at range and position to allow your tacklers to drop onto the target.
When you see the points go on, decloak, activate jammers.
Lol.
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Posted - 2007.11.28 05:24:00 -
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The Falcon is a great ship.
I get 180km+ range and 9.5+ str on racials.
A Recon Probe Launcher and 1600mm plate have found their way onto my loadout.
I'd prefer the Falcon over any other Force Recon in most situations with more than 3-4 ships.
I've also made an experimental passive tanked version for tackling mission runners.
In EFT 400+ tankable dps.. Warp in cloaked, scram, wait for a friend to come in.
Usually you know which hardener to equip before entering the mission. =P
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Lady Beauvoir
Slutty Witches
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Posted - 2007.11.28 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Waxau
The true death of an ECM pilot is that of being called primary, or even more so - The opposition knowing you have ECM support. Thus the cloak is your life saver. You can warp into battle at 100km....wait for it all to quiet down, their ecm to reveal themselves, and BAM - Jam their ecm. Falcon tbh is a god at counter-jamming. Just fit 3 caldari ecm, and the rest min/gal.
All the cool kids flying ECM know that they are too often jammed and fit a ECCM in a spare slot to win those jam contests - a slot which incidentally the falcon is getting.  Just damp the falcons/rooks/scorps and be done with it.
Originally by: Waxau
So yes - theyre awesome :P
Yes, they are awesome and will be amazing soon. Just don't be desperate when you notice your enemy is fitting ECCM; they were just prepared. Paperthin ships with 0 dps, but hey, they are great at what they do. Warning: falcons were not designed for the killmail addicts.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.28 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Beauvoir
Originally by: Waxau
The true death of an ECM pilot is that of being called primary, or even more so - The opposition knowing you have ECM support. Thus the cloak is your life saver. You can warp into battle at 100km....wait for it all to quiet down, their ecm to reveal themselves, and BAM - Jam their ecm. Falcon tbh is a god at counter-jamming. Just fit 3 caldari ecm, and the rest min/gal.
All the cool kids flying ECM know that they are too often jammed and fit a ECCM in a spare slot to win those jam contests - a slot which incidentally the falcon is getting. Just damp the falcons/rooks/scorps and be done with it.
Originally by: Waxau
So yes - theyre awesome :P
Yes, they are awesome and will be amazing soon. Just don't be desperate when you notice your enemy is fitting ECCM; they were just prepared. Paperthin ships with 0 dps, but hey, they are great at what they do. Warning: falcons were not designed for the killmail addicts.
I just prefer to alpha strike it with my howitzer tempest. Very few recons stay to wait for the second salvoe.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.11.28 11:35:00 -
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Arazus very powerful but its gonna suffer soonÖ, Rapier is by far the most fun and very powerful, pilgrim needs a 50% nos/neut range boost.
Didn't they nerf the sisi Falcon to 15% per level or is it at 20% still?
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Chococat
Flexible Demeanour
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Posted - 2007.11.28 21:39:00 -
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I have perma jammed a four man gang from 130km away while a corp mate in a rapier, web and scrammed two at a time, and just worked his way from one to the other.
Fine ship, it just only does the jammy cloak thing
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