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Xero Shifter
EntroPraetorian Shaarasim EntroPraetorian Aegis
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Posted - 2012.02.01 01:11:00 -
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Currently salvaging someone else's wreck doesn't trigger an aggression timer unless you also loot it. I'd like this changed, and I'd like to be allowed to blow people up without losing standings or having concord get upset, if they come and salvage my wreck, or my mission. I don't mind if someone else wants to salvage my mission when I'm not doing it, but when I have a friend who is already on it, I'd like to be able to punish someone for trying to race them through it.
I don't see how this would punish newbs at all, and it brings more non-suicidal pvp to high-sec. It doesn't add any additional bating techniques either, because if you're leaving wrecks behind, you're likely leaving loot as well, so if someone wanted to loot jack you, they can already try to bait you that way. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
190
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Posted - 2012.02.01 01:23:00 -
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Xero Shifter wrote:Currently salvaging someone else's wreck doesn't trigger an aggression timer unless you also loot it. I'd like this changed, and I'd like to be allowed to blow people up without losing standings or having concord get upset, if they come and salvage my wreck, or my mission. I don't mind if someone else wants to salvage my mission when I'm not doing it, but when I have a friend who is already on it, I'd like to be able to punish someone for trying to race them through it.
I don't see how this would punish newbs at all, and it brings more non-suicidal pvp to high-sec. It doesn't add any additional bating techniques either, because if you're leaving wrecks behind, you're likely leaving loot as well, so if someone wanted to loot jack you, they can already try to bait you that way.
You realise the actual objective of most ninja-salvagers is not to get the salvage/loot right?
But hey, I might even +1 this, as it will breathe life back into ninja-salvaging.
Read: More foolish/trigger-happy 'bears getting their PvE bling-barges smashed into junk, and maybe more officer-mods for me! Think of me as the Jester to your King Lear: Because annoying you is more fun than politicking with you. Because your predictable outrage makes you even more fun to play with. Because forum PvP = best PvP. Come to me, little puppet! |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1401
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Posted - 2012.02.01 01:47:00 -
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Nerf to a valid starter profession and yet more carebear greed.
Not a new idea and discussed to death already. Please come up with something new or don't bother. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1011
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Posted - 2012.02.01 02:41:00 -
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This again? For the 20 millionth time...CCP has stated on numerous occasions that salvaging is working as intended and will not be changed. Wrecks do not belong to you.
/thread EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Samillian
Jump.Jump.Jump.
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Posted - 2012.02.01 09:21:00 -
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So many times in the past threads like this have popped up and the standard response from CCP is that salvage is working as planned, it belongs to whoever gets it into their hold first. That isn't going to change. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2012.02.01 12:48:00 -
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Xero Shifter wrote:Currently salvaging someone else's wreck doesn't trigger an aggression timer unless you also loot it. I'd like this changed,
Do you even know what the word Salvage means??? Have you even bothered to look at the thousands of posts about this. I suggest you do a little research before posting here and making yourself look like a complete moron.
Oh, and I'll just leave these here:
by GM Ytterbium:
"Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will, no matter if they belong to the same corporation or not and doing so is not considered as an exploit."
by CCP Mitnal
"Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."
by CCP Prism X
"Sadly, I've already explained the whole shebang a couple of times already and have heard no discussions as to changing the ownership of salvage. Things are working as they were designed and I do believe we're quite happy about what the introduction of salvaging has done for us."
by GM Faolchu
"This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
"Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up."
by CCP Prism X
"If you're surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, it's because it's a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to high-sec increase mission grinding any further.
"EVE is a really hostile game. We love how hostile it is.. we never meant for it to be a breeze."
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Claire Raynor
NovaGear
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Posted - 2012.02.01 13:57:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Xero Shifter wrote:Currently salvaging someone else's wreck doesn't trigger an aggression timer unless you also loot it. I'd like this changed, Do you even know what the word Salvage means??? Have you even bothered to look at the thousands of posts about this. I suggest you do a little research before posting here and making yourself look like a complete moron. Oh, and I'll just leave these here: by GM Ytterbium: "Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will, no matter if they belong to the same corporation or not and doing so is not considered as an exploit." by CCP Mitnal "Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing." by CCP Prism X "Sadly, I've already explained the whole shebang a couple of times already and have heard no discussions as to changing the ownership of salvage. Things are working as they were designed and I do believe we're quite happy about what the introduction of salvaging has done for us." by GM Faolchu "This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. "Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up." by CCP Prism X "If you're surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, it's because it's a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to high-sec increase mission grinding any further. "EVE is a really hostile game. We love how hostile it is.. we never meant for it to be a breeze."
Nice collection of Quotes there. Really sums it all up. I really do think this is about people needing a shift in expectations. Salvage is not the posession of the person who blew the ship up. If you accept that then you can move on. If it upsets you that someone is salvaging ships you blew up then stop doing your mission for a bit. Simply warp off. A "ninja"-salvager in a probe can't / doesn't want to do a level 4 mission. They'll scan down another Battleship. You have a week to do a level 4 so come back later.
Or.. You can try being a ninja-salvager too and see if you get enjoyment out of it! Or try baiting the salvager and get a fight! Same works with can-flippers. I heard about a can flipper in a Gulfonodi belt. Pretended to mine. He fliped my tin. I got a battlecruiser 10'000KM off the belt - DScan to only get the belt - waited - saw him - warped in. And I lost my Battlecruiser! But the fight was ace and there was "GF" in local and lols.
But what you mustn't do is QQ. Because it feeds them!!!! |
Paintchk
Legio Invicta Many Reckless Corps
6
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:05:00 -
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BO-HO If some salvaged your wreck you'll still get the loot if they haven't taken it yet. Armor repping, looting, and whatever else gets you agression timer is fine, but plz not salvaging. Its fun when people race for it and it be dumb when someone starts shooting over salvage. Yes I sound like a carebear but really, come on. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:53:00 -
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Salvaging working as intended, if I could downvote you I would |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
807
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:42:00 -
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Obviously everyone knows the drill here. Working as intended, CCP won't be changing this because those wrecks aren't yours to begin with, blah blah blah.
But if you're looking for the right to shoot someone for stealing your stuff...where do you run missions? I have a Punisher for you to shoot at. |
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Shingorash
S T R A T C O M NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2012.02.03 13:40:00 -
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A better suggestion would be for wreaks to trigger agression if they are salvaged within say 15-30 minutes of the ship dying on the basis most ships except Marauders dont salvage and shoot at the same time.
There is nothing more annoying than a salvager coming in and salvaging your wreaks without stealing and you cant do anything about it.
Add a timer, after the timer expires the salvage is anyones...
The profession stays the same, its still a valid profession but only if the wreaks are abandoned or not salvaged in a valid amount of time.
Makes more sense that way I think... |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1018
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Posted - 2012.02.03 13:51:00 -
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Shingorash wrote:A better suggestion would be... *snip* A better suggestion would be to stop beating the dead horse and drop the subject. Read every reply in this thread and you will see that this has been beaten to a bloody pulp already and it isn't going to change.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Shingorash
S T R A T C O M NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2012.02.04 20:12:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Shingorash wrote:A better suggestion would be... *snip* A better suggestion would be to stop beating the dead horse and drop the subject. Read every reply in this thread and you will see that this has been beaten to a bloody pulp already and it isn't going to change.
Thats not a suggestion, try posting something constructive. |
reaver2145
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.02.04 21:13:00 -
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Shingorash wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Shingorash wrote:A better suggestion would be... *snip* A better suggestion would be to stop beating the dead horse and drop the subject. Read every reply in this thread and you will see that this has been beaten to a bloody pulp already and it isn't going to change. Thats not a suggestion, try posting something constructive.
THE WRECKS DONT BELONG TO YOU
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Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
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Posted - 2012.02.04 23:11:00 -
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reaver2145 wrote:Shingorash wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Shingorash wrote:A better suggestion would be... *snip* A better suggestion would be to stop beating the dead horse and drop the subject. Read every reply in this thread and you will see that this has been beaten to a bloody pulp already and it isn't going to change. Thats not a suggestion, try posting something constructive. THE WRECKS DONT BELONG TO YOU
YOUR ACCOUNTS NOT BELONGS TO YOU. THAT IS CCP PROPERTY, LIKE AS IDIOTISM OF SALVAGING IT'S A MINI PROFESSION. |
reaver2145
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:51:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote:reaver2145 wrote:Shingorash wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Shingorash wrote:A better suggestion would be... *snip* A better suggestion would be to stop beating the dead horse and drop the subject. Read every reply in this thread and you will see that this has been beaten to a bloody pulp already and it isn't going to change. Thats not a suggestion, try posting something constructive. THE WRECKS DONT BELONG TO YOU YOUR ACCOUNTS NOT BELONGS TO YOU. THAT IS CCP PROPERTY, LIKE AS IDIOTISM OF SALVAGING IT'S A MINI PROFESSION.
WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR MUMMY NOW |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
6049
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Posted - 2012.02.05 15:02:00 -
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You know what, change it, go on CCP please change it.
I will be one of the first on here laughing my socks off at all the whining, when you start losing your billions of ISK faction fit ships.
Then the next call will be PvP safe mission areas, because it's not fair. Muppets.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Tyr Aeron
L0pht Systems
0
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:23:00 -
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Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick..... are you bears completely incapable of using a ******* search button? It's right there at the top left.
Congratulations though, I'm pretty sure you've started thread number 5000 crying bout ninja salvagers. No, really, there was one on this very same page of the forums right HERE
FEATURE WORKING AS INTENDED. Deal with it.
BTW, where do you mission? I could use more salvage. |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
122
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Posted - 2012.02.07 04:57:00 -
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Oh dear Lord, this AGAIN?!?!
See all the posts above as to why this will never be changed.
Also, EVE is called a MMO for a reason. Stop solo mission running, bring a corpy or a friend and have them salvage/loot for you and you will never need to concern yourself with ninja anything ever again.
(Sorry to all the hi sec mission baiters if they listen and you can't kill mission bears anymore ) |
Wolodymyr
Mando'a Navy Controlled Chaos
41
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Posted - 2012.02.07 07:27:00 -
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Sure why not,
Aggression for everyone! |
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.02.07 07:48:00 -
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Wasnt there this thread yesterday?
I will say again, a wreck is NOT yours. In pvp the wreck still belongs to the player who exploded, npc wrecks should no belong to teh player who shot them.
Also, can you imagine the tears when teh carebears realise this would actually be a massive benefit to griefers? Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
41
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Posted - 2012.02.07 07:54:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Wasnt there this thread yesterday?
I will say again, a wreck is NOT yours. In pvp the wreck still belongs to the player who exploded, npc wrecks should no belong to teh player who shot them.
Also, can you imagine the tears when teh carebears realise this would actually be a massive benefit to griefers?
I will say again, the ships in your hangars is NOT yours, because that is the CCP property. Forget this idiotism, wreck is not yours.
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Shaera Taam
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
31
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Posted - 2012.02.08 05:49:00 -
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srsly, this thread has made me lol several times already!
please, keep arguing for this change! the whining vs 'working as intended' rage is feckin priceless!
omfg edit: can you imagine this change coupled with /scannable/ wrecks? mayhem!
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess! |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
62
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Posted - 2012.02.08 09:38:00 -
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Welcome to CCPs new Eve website.
lets have a look at the Careers avaliable to eve players, Oh look.....
CCP wants Salvaging as a career!
Please Close this thread now. Its officially DEAD!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Orion GUardian
118
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:13:00 -
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Wrekc are not yours, if you want to shoot people coming into your mission got to lowsec or nullsec |
Davader
Space Cleaners
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:45:00 -
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This will kill ninja-salvaging preofession, so greatly dislike. |
Aversun
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:13:00 -
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I have a better idea: have a friend with in a noctis cleaning up while you pewpew NPCs into slag? or even barf up the green and two box with your shiney new account the salvage man, even pimp him out for iskies to clean up for everyone in your corp/alliance/social network |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
41
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:09:00 -
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Davader wrote:This will kill ninja-salvaging preofession, so greatly dislike.
Thats would be create, ninja-salvager killer mini profession. so greatly like it.
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