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Challenged
ULTRA GOAT TEAM HARDCORE SUPER DELUXE
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Posted - 2012.02.01 14:24:00 -
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Reset our skills via RL payment.
There are plenty of people who regret training skills, or who aim for some certain type of ship / interaction and once reaching that goal, wish they hadn't and feel they have wasted there time.
Most people's first character have skills all over the place. I look at my skill chart and just shake my head, why the hell did I train EAFs? Or why does my purely combat alt have indy 5 / freighter 5. I don't own a freighter, don't wish to own a freighter, but I thought it might be a good idea back in the day.
To move my salvaged crap.
From Frarn to Rens.
fark...
So why not GIVE US the option: Go to account management. Pay $15-30 for a skill reset. people would probibly pay more (I would pay anything up to $100 honestly) Once a year if need be to stop possible exploits? Make us do a nudey run in the icelandic ice. ANYTHING
It's quite frustrating knowing what I do now, knowing what I could be doing in game, and than looking down the barrel of a 100 day training time. ADD kicks in, alt tabs to ****.
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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.01 15:22:00 -
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This dead horse again? Can't you give it a rest already?
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Challenged
ULTRA GOAT TEAM HARDCORE SUPER DELUXE
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Posted - 2012.02.01 15:32:00 -
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I used search, keywords "reset skill"
"No results found for this search."
if it's such a dead horse, than that must mean many people are flogging it. So the idea is popular?
soooo.... |
Squidgey
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.01 15:34:00 -
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Why not?
Because as it is people spend thousands of dollars buying plex in bulk. What makes you think this wouldn't be abused heavily by some rich kid with his parent's credit card? Or some rich fat guy with an eve addiction?\
Better Protip: If you think it would benefit you greatly, then the reason you want it is exactly the reason why you cannot have it. |
Challenged
ULTRA GOAT TEAM HARDCORE SUPER DELUXE
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Posted - 2012.02.01 15:39:00 -
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So let them "abuse" it once a year. It's going to destroy the game no doubt.
Rich kids and fat people pump a lot of money into CCP's pockets, offset by the other half like myself, probibly by yourself, who earn more than enough in game to pay via market bought plex.
This is just another means to get more cash to them, and to help idiots like myself who train stupidly.
How does this hurt you than? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.02.01 15:49:00 -
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Standard response copypasta:
It removes the point of having skills to begin with. It removes the point of having attributes. It removes attribute implants from the game. It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups. It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character. It removes planning and choice and consequences. It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas. It kills character trading. It massively boosts older characters over new ones. It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.
Above all: there is no reason for it. Skills are not wasted, and this is not a class/xp system where you lock yourself into one set of abilities. You do not need to GÇ£respecGÇ£ to gain access to different abilities. If you want to do something else, just train it GÇö nothing is stopping you. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Challenged
ULTRA GOAT TEAM HARDCORE SUPER DELUXE
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:19:00 -
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oh ffs, i just typed a response and must have gone over the character limit, and lost it
probibly for the best, musta been wall of text.
so basically its not gonna happan, because bittervets are scarred somehow.
nuff said |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:11:00 -
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Challenged wrote:so basically its not gonna happan, because bittervets are scarred somehow. No. It's not going to happen because it fundamentally breaks large sections of the game (both mechanics-wise and game-design-wise) for zero benefit to solve a problem that doesn't exist. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Karak Bol
Cable Innovations
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:44:00 -
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I am all but a bittervet (7 mil) and I really like the system how Eve forces you with "pick a choice and live with it". A reset would completely destroy this facet of the game. |
Ni'kuah Demo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:23:00 -
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Challenged wrote: so basically its not gonna happan, because bittervets are scarred somehow.
I suggest you read the responses in the thread before making asinine comments. It is in fact the vets who have the most to gain on this, as they are the ones with the most SP to reallocate, and the ability to do so, would make the gap between new characters and old characters even greater.
Maybe you should think a bit harder about decisions to train things like EAF V in the future. |
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Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.02 03:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Standard response copypasta:
It removes the point of having skills to begin with. It removes the point of having attributes. It removes attribute implants from the game. It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups. It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character. It removes planning and choice and consequences. It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas. It kills character trading. It massively boosts older characters over new ones. It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.
Above all: there is no reason for it. Skills are not wasted, and this is not a class/xp system where you lock yourself into one set of abilities. You do not need to GÇ£respecGÇ£ to gain access to different abilities. If you want to do something else, just train it GÇö nothing is stopping you.
You missed the most important one Tippia (though it's implicit in all of the above)
It removes the consequences of your choices.
You chose to train something... then you definitely did not choose to train something else. Live with your choices. |
Adraen Flynn
The New Colossus
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:53:00 -
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I think I can sum up every idea that has been posted on the EVE forums in the past 9 years:
It's stupid.
There's a dozen ideas posted a week: all of them completely ********.
This is why CCP designs the games, and you shut up and pay for them. Amarr victor! |
Amthala
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.02.02 21:14:00 -
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stop being a tool. worst. idea. ever. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.02.03 15:30:00 -
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If they did make it possible I would say it would probably be done through the AURUM system.
Say the price would change based on the rank of the skill.
You buy a PLEX either with real money or in game, convert it and use it to delete skills to get back the skill points.
But seriously it is not like there is a limit to the number of skill points you can have. It is not like you reach a point where you are stuck. "dammit I can't train the skills I want because I got to many points in this crap I don't even need." We all make mistakes in our early training but most of those mistake skills are only a couple days worth of training. there are skills in this game that take several months to train. Many are upset having trained for super caps only to have then nerfed. If anyone would want skill points back it would be them. But EVE does not work that way. You train a skill you no longer want or need after your target content changes. then just train for what you do want there is no limit to maximum skill points.
Say you trained indy 5 and freighter 5 and never used or plan to use a frieghter. you must have had some desire to use it to train those skills in the first place. What if you could delete those skills then a few months later you had some good luck and made 5-6 billion isk and decided you wanted to get into a jump freighter. now you need those skills you would have deleted.
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Dr Caymus
Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune
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Posted - 2012.02.04 02:23:00 -
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Challenged, I'm not even sure exactly what you are asking for. You have the ability to do the ultimate reset already, at no extra cost! Simply delete your character, then recreate him. Reset done, piece of cake!
As to resetting specific skills, what exactly do you want? Do you simply want to delete unused skills from your profile, along with the points trained, or do you want to delete those skills and get reimbursed for the skillpoints so that you can reassign them anywhere you wish? (The latter isn't going to happen for reasons hashed and rehashed in this thread and countless times in the forums over the years.)
There might be a reasonable idea in this somewhere, though. Please clarify exactly what you envision for this "reset" mechanic. Maybe we can build upon your concept.
Dr C HappyVet
(wtf is a "bittervet", anyway... the term doesn't even have an urban dictionary definition) |
J Kunjeh
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Posted - 2012.02.04 12:10:00 -
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Oh look, it's this stupid idea again. Use the search button, it works...or better, use Google before posting rehashes of idiotic ideas. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints Assassin Confederacy
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Posted - 2012.02.04 22:11:00 -
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I'd like to add that it would ruin remaps completely.
You'd train in one area forever and just move sp to where you want it and never remap again.
Massive fail. |
Tekashi Kovacs
Golfclap Inc
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Posted - 2012.02.05 00:46:00 -
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Not saying that I fully support OP's idea, because full respec just doesnt make sense in this type of game, but seriously it makes me sad panda that same few people negates every single idea posted on the forums, thus slowing the game development.
What the game needs is changes, changes brings more people, more people bring more money and money allows for even more of quality improvements. Stubborn people like the few posters above makes us just go back to 2003. If You are Standing Still, You are Moving Backwards. |
Metesurena
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.05 17:07:00 -
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I support this idea
however it needs to have some kind of penalties, like unlearning skills at the same rate you would train them, or removing the whole skill while getting 50% refund of its SP or something like that
maybe throw PLEX or aurum into the mix |
Ravenal
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2012.02.05 20:04:00 -
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I'll tell you why you can't "reset skill points to redistribute them to other skills" ....
If you could do that you would only ever need to train for example int/mem skills or perc/will ...You just optimize your attributes (and implants) for any two attributes and exclusively train skills that have those attributes as primary/secondary.
Every now and then you buy a reset and put the points into other skills that don't have those attributes.
see bad breaking stuff? |
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.02.06 15:57:00 -
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Karak Bol wrote:I am all but a bittervet (7 mil) and I really like the system how Eve forces you with "pick a choice and live with it". A reset would completely destroy this facet of the game.
This.
It is good that choices have lasting consequences.
Also, this character, my main, is close to 90 million SP by now, I think (I'm too lazy to check, but I know it'll be a few months more before I hit 100M), and despite being rather a generalist, there are very, very few of his skillz that I'd like to undo even if given the chance to redistribute the SP (even if for free, not paying PLEX for it). I figure maybe 7% of his SP, tops. Probably closer to 3%.
Even if EAFs suck, CCP will probably look into them and fix them some day. It happened to Assault Frigates. Heck, several years ago, I was unhappy about the Navy Caracal. It had too little CPU or grid or both. Eventually CCP dropped by and gave it a nice, sweet boost, making it a viable choice.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:02:00 -
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Metesurena wrote:I support this idea
however it needs to have some kind of penalties, like unlearning skills at the same rate you would train them, or removing the whole skill while getting 50% refund of its SP or something like that
maybe throw PLEX or aurum into the mix
I dislike the idea on a fundamental level, but putting on my game designer's hat, here's one proposal:
Pay 1 PLEX Select one skill category Within that skill category, you may "nuke" skill levels worth a total of 5 million SP. You "nuke" one skill level at a time, starting with the highest level of the chosen skill. 75% of nuked SP goes into a re-allocate amount (the rest are lost), which can be used in any category. You have 24 hours to spend your "nuke" allowance of 5M SP within that category, after which any unspent "nuke" allowance is lost. If you want to remove skillz from multiple categories, you must spend multiple PLEXes. Likewise if you want to "nuke" more than 5 million SP within the same category, spend additional PLEXes.
Re-allocating SPs work as back when CCP removed Learning skills and re-did the Connections skills, i.e. instantly.
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:53:00 -
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Challenged wrote:Reset our skills via RL payment.
There are plenty of people who regret training skills, or who aim for some certain type of ship / interaction and once reaching that goal, wish they hadn't and feel they have wasted there time.
Most people's first character have skills all over the place. I look at my skill chart and just shake my head, why the hell did I train EAFs? Or why does my purely combat alt have indy 5 / freighter 5. I don't own a freighter, don't wish to own a freighter, but I thought it might be a good idea back in the day.
To move my salvaged crap.
From Frarn to Rens.
fark...
So why not GIVE US the option: Go to account management. Pay $15-30 for a skill reset. people would probibly pay more (I would pay anything up to $100 honestly) Once a year if need be to stop possible exploits? Make us do a nudey run in the icelandic ice. ANYTHING
It's quite frustrating knowing what I do now, knowing what I could be doing in game, and than looking down the barrel of a 100 day training time. ADD kicks in, alt tabs to ****.
Please
TL-DR I have no patience.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Ravenal
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2012.02.07 02:17:00 -
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better solution is just to drop the stupid price increase in clone cost as you get more skill points --- it's bad for casual players and discouraging for any player with loads of skill points.
That way your "unwisely" chosen skills don't cost you actual isk when you die horribly.
... Another option if you really want to get rid of those skill points is to get repeatedly podded until you lose them. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
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Posted - 2012.02.07 16:41:00 -
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I love the fact that eve is choice and consiquence.
Allowing people to pay to remap their skills removes the consiquences of their choices.
Yes I would love to be able to do this as I have many millions of sp in industry and science that I'll never use but in the same breath I don't support this idea because it'd ruine the game for me.
It's akin to buying GTA V on day 1 and putting in all the cheat codes, ok, it might be fun but you'll miss a large part of the game. |
Baaa Shakiel
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
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Posted - 2012.02.12 18:46:00 -
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Karak Bol wrote:I am all but a bittervet (7 mil) and I really like the system how Eve forces you with "pick a choice and live with it". A reset would completely destroy this facet of the game.
^ This
I regretted training for Hulks.
BUT. It's also because of this particular regret that I love EVE for its Meta-game. "Is this your Final Answer?". Hell Yes.
Besides, you never know when afk mining cos you just don't wanna do anything else may come in handy. Who Said that Noob Ships SuCK? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15091146#lostLoadout |
Master ore
Space-Bar
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Posted - 2012.02.12 19:12:00 -
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resetting skills is dumb. you would get people flying a class of ship which takes a bit of time to train ie armour HAC,s deciding i dont like that no more so i,ll go shield logistic,s after a week or so at that they think I do not like that anymore so i,ll try Ammar battleships, then I know command ships look good so next week re distribue and fly them. Someone says carrier are best so i,ll redistribute and get a minny charrier, fred in corp says u made wrong choise should have gone dread as we have an op needing them next week then go to a galente carrier,so thats next plan There would be no incentive to train anything above the minimum sp to max out the most skill intensive ship cos you just pay your money and swop to whatever is flavour of the week.
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Yukanojo
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:48:00 -
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Master ore wrote:resetting skills is dumb. you would get people flying a class of ship which takes a bit of time to train ie armour HAC,s deciding i dont like that no more so i,ll go shield logistic,s after a week or so at that they think I do not like that anymore so i,ll try Ammar battleships, then I know command ships look good so next week re distribue and fly them. Someone says carrier are best so i,ll redistribute and get a minny charrier, fred in corp says u made wrong choise should have gone dread as we have an op needing them next week then go to a galente carrier,so thats next plan There would be no incentive to train anything above the minimum sp to max out the most skill intensive ship cos you just pay your money and swop to whatever is flavour of the week.
This.
I would like to see a way to clean up my skills though by voiding out trained skills so my clones are cheaper. I've got some badass industry skills that I no longer use that drive up the cost of my clone upgrades that I'd love to see go. But that's definitely a "live with the consequences" situation - if I forget them to get cheaper clone upgrades, I also do not have those skills and would have to re-invest all that time into training them again should I need them. |
Rat Farmer
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.13 16:12:00 -
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Cash is King... Give it some time and everything will be aquired via cash directly from CCP. They already started with PLEX.
All of the people that want to play the game for free still have some rich kid or fat dude paying for them to play. The rich kid and fat guy will have his way in the end... |
Lyrka Bloodberry
Spybeaver
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Posted - 2012.02.13 16:58:00 -
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- Buy PLEX - Sell ingame - go to https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277 - buy character with skills you like
There you are: New skills for real money. And the best of it: You can keep your old skills too!
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