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Driann Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:35:00 - [1] It's well known that you can't have HDR and AA enabled at the same time in trinity so I did some observations while turning on and off both effects and imo it's better to have AA than HDR since I couldn't tell the difference between HDR on and off, but AA makes a huge impact on visual. BTW my vga is an ATI X1650Pro 256 mb. I know it's not a top of line vga but it's handled most other games with HDR just fine. It's just in trinity that it seems to not have any considerable effect. your toughts pls.
Chruker	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:42:00 - [2] I can't see any difference either between HDR on or off. Could any make a screenshot of a ship/station/stargate, when you can actually see the difference between HDR on and off? ----- http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online ----- Top wishes: - No daily downtime - Faster training on sisi - Speedup IGB table rendering
nomis ekoobmah Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.12.03 01:58:00 - [3] Here's a couple of screenshots, one with HDR off and the other with HDR on. HDR off HDR on
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.12.03 06:31:00 - [4] HDR gives many added effects, such as specular glows. You know when you're driving down the street in your car, at maybe 3:00 in the afternoon, and that oncoming car reflects the sun off the tip of their windshield so brightly that it temporarily causes you to look away? Yeah, that's what HDR gives you (it just wont temporarily blind you). HDR is eyecandy, straight up. If you want it to look great, you'll have to run your client in a higher resolution. It is unfortunate that it does not work in conjunction with anti-aliasing, however... Is it possible to run with an adaptive anti-aliasing pass? Some cards offer a "smart" anti-aliasing that is truly not anti-aliasing, but rather a blending of rough jaggies. If it is, someone please let us know \o/ I run a 6800 GT, and I don't think my card has that option. _________________ Burn.
Vrenth Gallente 23rd Armor Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.03 07:20:00 - [5] Edited by: Vrenth on 03/12/2007 07:21:15 Edited by: Vrenth on 03/12/2007 07:20:10 Originally by: nomis ekoobmah Here's a couple of screenshots, one with HDR off and the other with HDR on. HDR off HDR on Yes, HDR adds nicer bloom effects, but will better be seen outside, where there is distance. There is a reason that HDR and AA were not worked on to have in unison. A really nicely done HDR system will cover up your "jaggies" and in a high enough resolution, negate them completely. That is not the case here.. Although, unless you know what your looking for, AA means nothing. AA can half your FPS for a VERY minor quality improvement, especially at higher resolutions (not so on my 8800gtx). I'll take GOOD HDR over AA any day... unfortunately, EVE's needs improvement. Even if it offered both, I would only use HDR.
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.03 08:38:00 - [6] Most modern engines have no problem with AA and HDR, so I'm not sure why it doesn't work in Trinity. Also, if you can't tell the difference between having HDR on and off, you must be blind.
Sleepkevert Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2007.12.03 08:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Kyra Felann Most modern engines have no problem with AA and HDR, so I'm not sure why it doesn't work in Trinity. it DOES work in trinity if you know how . BUT you need a card that is able to handle it. Currently, tje only nVidia cards that support it are those of the 8xxx series... I know ATI has quite a lot of capable cards too (had it earlyer then nVidia) But i have no idea which those are exactly. For the nVidia series you need to download "nHancer" and force the "Oblivion (HDR + AA)" AA compatibility setting. That way you can turn the AA on with HDR. I'll take some screenies for proof when i get home this afternoon _______ Sign my sig!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.12.03 08:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Sleepkevert Originally by: Kyra Felann Most modern engines have no problem with AA and HDR, so I'm not sure why it doesn't work in Trinity. it DOES work in trinity if you know how . BUT you need a card that is able to handle it. Currently, tje only nVidia cards that support it are those of the 8xxx series... I know ATI has quite a lot of capable cards too (had it earlyer then nVidia) But i have no idea which those are exactly. For the nVidia series you need to download "nHancer" and force the "Oblivion (HDR + AA)" AA compatibility setting. That way you can turn the AA on with HDR. I'll take some screenies for proof when i get home this afternoon /me holds her 6800 GT lovingly and defensively Showoff :( _________________ Burn.
Sleepkevert Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2007.12.03 08:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Sleepkevert Originally by: Kyra Felann Most modern engines have no problem with AA and HDR, so I'm not sure why it doesn't work in Trinity. it DOES work in trinity if you know how . BUT you need a card that is able to handle it. Currently, tje only nVidia cards that support it are those of the 8xxx series... I know ATI has quite a lot of capable cards too (had it earlyer then nVidia) But i have no idea which those are exactly. For the nVidia series you need to download "nHancer" and force the "Oblivion (HDR + AA)" AA compatibility setting. That way you can turn the AA on with HDR. I'll take some screenies for proof when i get home this afternoon /me holds her 6800 GT lovingly and defensively Showoff :( Sorry _______ Sign my sig!
nomis ekoobmah Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.12.03 09:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Sleepkevert Originally by: Kyra Felann Most modern engines have no problem with AA and HDR, so I'm not sure why it doesn't work in Trinity. it DOES work in trinity if you know how . BUT you need a card that is able to handle it. Currently, tje only nVidia cards that support it are those of the 8xxx series... I know ATI has quite a lot of capable cards too (had it earlyer then nVidia) But i have no idea which those are exactly. For the nVidia series you need to download "nHancer" and force the "Oblivion (HDR + AA)" AA compatibility setting. That way you can turn the AA on with HDR. I'll take some screenies for proof when i get home this afternoon All the ATI X1000 series cards and above support HDR+AA. The Oblivion patch from ATI was in Catalyst 6.9 Beta and AFAIK it was integrated into all subsequent drivers from the December 2006 Catalyst release.
Sleepkevert Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2007.12.03 09:14:00 - [11] Originally by: nomis ekoobmah Originally by: Sleepkevert Originally by: Kyra Felann Most modern engines have no problem with AA and HDR, so I'm not sure why it doesn't work in Trinity. it DOES work in trinity if you know how . BUT you need a card that is able to handle it. Currently, tje only nVidia cards that support it are those of the 8xxx series... I know ATI has quite a lot of capable cards too (had it earlyer then nVidia) But i have no idea which those are exactly. For the nVidia series you need to download "nHancer" and force the "Oblivion (HDR + AA)" AA compatibility setting. That way you can turn the AA on with HDR. I'll take some screenies for proof when i get home this afternoon All the ATI X1000 series cards and above support HDR+AA. The Oblivion patch from ATI was in Catalyst 6.9 Beta and AFAIK it was integrated into all subsequent drivers from the December 2006 Catalyst release. I do higly doubt that that setting is enabled for every exe that starts by default. So i do guess you need to force it onto the ATI cards as well somehow... It would be nice if CCP could get in touch with the graphic card peoples and try and have the bit set by default for both brands _______ Sign my sig!
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.03 18:29:00 - [12] So, in other words, HDR may make the picture look more realistic, but really, it makes it more difficult to see == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Commander Prishe Caldari The LoneStar Corp Edge Of Sanity	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:05:00 - [13] I have tried the nHancer settings you said (exactly) with forced Oblivion HDR+AA on my GTX 8800 and trinity doesnt load, it only loads when I dont force Oblivion compatability. On another note I got 32X Supersampling AA to work with HDR + bloom max. Looked beautifull and smooth, I was orbiting a station and couldnt spot a single jaggie it was awesome. ...FPS of about 15 though, so 32X AA is not an option for even current generation cards, maybe with SLI.
Tigermouse	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:47:00 - [14] Edited by: Tigermouse on 03/12/2007 19:47:36 nm...
Cabiliz	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:47:00 - [15] It would not be so bad on high resolution displays. At 2560x1600 the jaggies are not too noticeable. However the UI STILL doesn't scale well with resolution, even after all these years and a total graphical overhaul, so 2560x1600 is just asking for you to go blind trying to read the text and your nerves are shredded just trying to navigate popup windows and settings with miniscule hitboxes. It's like eating pommegranate seeds with a*****tail stick. I'm a nervous wreck after 30 minutes of it. Lots of MMORPGs UI's do badly at that resolution and there's no excuse for it these days. Trinity would rock with a "scale UI to resolution" option.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:00:00 - [16] Edited by: Razin on 03/12/2007 20:00:43 Originally by: Commander Prishe I have tried the nHancer settings you said (exactly) with forced Oblivion HDR+AA on my GTX 8800 and trinity doesnt load, it only loads when I dont force Oblivion compatability. On another note I got 32X Supersampling AA to work with HDR + bloom max. Looked beautifull and smooth, I was orbiting a station and couldnt spot a single jaggie it was awesome. ...FPS of about 15 though, so 32X AA is not an option for even current generation cards, maybe with SLI. I'm finding that the best settings for me are FSAAx4, AFx16, HDR+low bloom, Shadows Normal @ 1920x1200 on an 8800GTX. 35 to 115 FPS depending on the level of activity around me, and the quality of eye-candy is movie-like. ...

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