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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Love this is what my file look like
[boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
is this right or do I need to make changes?
Nope. You look good to go. The problem is that the file went missing. Yours is there.
I'll try to hold back my supper at seeing you running XP Home though.
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Storm Strike
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Red Panda Edited by: Red Panda on 07/12/2007 00:33:42 Edited by: Red Panda on 07/12/2007 00:29:53 Edited by: Red Panda on 07/12/2007 00:27:36 For people that cant boot their PCs because they have already shutdown it AND they dont have a windows xp CD, there is a solution. A bit complex tough.
Its uninstall the Hard drive from your computer, and install it on another one that is not damaged. After a correct installation procedure (depending of your HD model and the temporary host specifications), you should be able to see your HD on the new computer. (generally E: disk)
All you have to do is to put a new boot.ini on your HD root directory. One of the possible sources could be in "E:\windows\pss" its name "boot.ini.backup". Just copy this one on the desktop rename it to boot.ini and put it on e:\ Put it on the same drive you found it, not on C:\ you would broke the boot.ini of your temporary host.
Reinstall your HD on your own computer system, and boot.
I will leave true tech ppl put some details to this. As I am not enough proficient in this for explain besides the fact that there are some standardized procedures to do this.
I manage a cyber cafe and 10 computers got the problem I used this method. The computers have a restore partition and no CD of windows XP. My only choice was to use a clean computer.
One of my employees got the problem on one computer already Sunday or Monday. But at that moment we didnt saw it was related to eve (the Sisi version of eve). The computer reboot being hours later.
PS: **** happens, nobody's perfect, not me, not you, not CCP. Murphy striked again. Live with it. No need to bash me, you, or CCP into oblivion.
Any more info on this im tried of the 50 pages of arguing help people or gtfo of this thread
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 07/12/2007 01:19:53
A thread that may help some x64 users:
boot.ini file on xp x64 computers?
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Taltus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:23:00 -
[1684]
50 man years on graphics, sweet..... 50 minutes on systems threats, bitter.
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:24:00 -
[1685]
Originally by: Zanmaru
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: Zanmaru
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: Zanmaru So... CCP is not guilty simply because we didn't bother to spend $200+ on a new OS that is still not completely proven, and despite the fact that Eve specifically states that Eve and the high quality pack supports Windows XP? Boot.ini deletion is generally a fairly minor problem, but still, I think if CCP claims software is compatible with an OS, it shouldn't DAMAGE said OS, nevermind the fact that a person can't honestly expect a legitimate piece of software from a legitimate company to do something like this. Yes yes, keeping your OS up to date is an important part of maintenance, but you can't honestly blame the user for something like this. Seems more like thinly veiled gloating, about the fact that you have a shiny new OS that wasn't affected.
I'm sorry but I just have to respond to this too.
Don't ALL software companies claim that and yet it does happen to damage the OS? I'll try not to further mention that updating your machine has been known in the past to do this to your machine. Oh wait, I mentioned it.
I myself don't blame the user. However, what I fault them for is being so naive that thinking their windows system will never have a problem. This kind of thing DOES happen. Just because it happened due to a glitch in the software that CCP made (that did not affect everyone might I add) is unfortunate but it also can happen every time you turn your computer on which most people falsely believe will not happen. If it didn't, I'd be out of a job, and so would a few million tech support people.
Yeah, and I'm prepared for such an occurrence. That's not the point.
So what IS your point? That ALL software should never damage windows ever?
What are you talking about? It depends on what you mean by "should". In a perfect world, it shouldn't, but we don't live in one. This is pointless banter. Sure, its certain to happen, but that doesn't change the fact that CCP caused this. Do you wait for devs to release problem software just so you can blame the users for not being prepared?
Nope. But like you yourself just stated, it isn't a perfect world and what happens in a controlled test lab environment doesn't account for what could happen in the real world. So it is technically possible that is why QA didn't notice it and why not 100% of the eve player base who downloaded the patch during the affected time frame (myself included) had it happen to them. What I am saying is that I would hope is that people be wise enough to be prepared for the worst happening because the largest portion of people that are upset is because they are claiming they lost everything when they had to reinstall (although some OEM recovery disks/partitions will let you do a non-destructive recovery leaving their personal files intact).
Personally, I format my laptop every 6 months or so to clear off all the junk left behind by software I've removed that may or may not interfere with other things. But I expect software problems to happen. That is how I prevent it from happening.
I'm not saying CCP is absolved or blameless. Making one of their files the same name as a system file is a bit ******** to say the least. But it wouldn't be the first time a software company (microsoft, norton, etc) released a buggy update that affected a computer in such a way that it needed to be reinstalled completely. I just fail to see the reason people complain over something that could have happened anyway and screaming at CCP despite their best efforts to placate their users who are so mad at being inconvienced (and that is what it is because if you have other problems, your computer had problems you didn't know of until now) that they can't appreciate CCP's efforts for trying to solve the problem. Good luck getting Norton or any other software company to help you fix a Windows issue even if they caused it.
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Geckoman
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mortania I did a cursory search through the thread and didn't find this mentioned, so here goes...
If you have SATA hard drives, your XP CD (or 98 bootdisk) will NOT recognize the hard drive until you go into the bios and turn off AHCI mode for the SATA configuration.
Then you can follow the MS instructions on how to rebuild your boot.ini with bootcfg.
After you're finished with the CD you can go back into your bios and re-enable the ACHI mode.
I had this problem, all fixed now. Thank you so much! Almost panicked that my HDD got fried.
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DvlDwg
Gallente Metal Marines
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:27:00 -
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CCP dosn't have a freaking QA department? How the hell do you miss something like this. I spent most of my evening unscrewing this.
Jerks.
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Major Hill
Caldari The Knights Templar Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:27:00 -
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Ok for those of us who are NOT good with computers here is a very simple way too fix this that even those most computer illiterate person like myself can do.
Keep in mind if u have ALREADY rebooted this will not work. First check too see if u are affected by this. Do this by: Start Menu --> Run When the window comes up type "cmd" to open a command window In the command window type "cd \" and hit enter Then "attrib" and hit enter This will show u all your hidden files. If boot.ini is in there then you do not have a problem If it not then you gotta do the following
Start Menu --> All Programs --> Accessories --> System Tools --> System Restore
Choose restore too an earlier time and hit next. I restored too Dec 4. Keep in mind you will NOT lose any programs only system settings will be affected so when you are done you will still have eve trinity and presumably everything else. Once the system is restored a window will pop up it may say nothing was changed "did for me" but i did get my boot.ini file back
Check too make sure you have the boot.ini file now. Use this process again
Start Menu --> Run When the window comes up type "cmd" to open a command window In the command window type "cd \" and hit enter Then "attrib" and hit enter This will show u all your hidden files.
This is easy too do and should solve your problem without losing anything. If this confuses you convo me ingame and i will explain it too you better.
For those of you that already rebooted and are now locked out of windows i do not know what you should do.
Hope this helps Major Hill
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Zanmaru
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Nope. But like you yourself just stated, it isn't a perfect world and what happens in a controlled test lab environment doesn't account for what could happen in the real world. So it is technically possible that is why QA didn't notice it and why not 100% of the eve player base who downloaded the patch during the affected time frame (myself included) had it happen to them. What I am saying is that I would hope is that people be wise enough to be prepared for the worst happening because the largest portion of people that are upset is because they are claiming they lost everything when they had to reinstall (although some OEM recovery disks/partitions will let you do a non-destructive recovery leaving their personal files intact).
Personally, I format my laptop every 6 months or so to clear off all the junk left behind by software I've removed that may or may not interfere with other things. But I expect software problems to happen. That is how I prevent it from happening.
I'm not saying CCP is absolved or blameless. Making one of their files the same name as a system file is a bit ******** to say the least. But it wouldn't be the first time a software company (microsoft, norton, etc) released a buggy update that affected a computer in such a way that it needed to be reinstalled completely. I just fail to see the reason people complain over something that could have happened anyway and screaming at CCP despite their best efforts to placate their users who are so mad at being inconvienced (and that is what it is because if you have other problems, your computer had problems you didn't know of until now) that they can't appreciate CCP's efforts for trying to solve the problem. Good luck getting Norton or any other software company to help you fix a Windows issue even if they caused it.
And you just assume I'm denying all that just because I'm a little disappointed in CCP and sympathize with those affected? I generally agree with what you just said, save your arguments for someone else. --- Wheels within wheels in a spiral array, a pattern so grand and complex. Time after time we lose sight of the way, our causes can't see their effects. |
Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:34:00 -
[1690]
Edited by: Omega Bloodstone on 07/12/2007 01:36:06
Originally by: FireMonk BTW i thought i might make it known that i had my boot.ini file deleted then had my computer restarted (my PC suffers from chronic BLUE SCREENS OF DEATH. no idea how to fix em). But yeah, even though i've restarted 7 times since, still boots... still havent found out why it still boots either...
with XP, if system restore was turned on, it might boot in last known good config, but will likely give you a quick boot.ini error at beginning of boot...i may be wrong
Edit: the boot.ini still needs to be replaced though
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zanmaru
And you just assume I'm denying all that just because I'm a little disappointed in CCP and sympathize with those affected? I generally agree with what you just said, save your arguments for someone else.
Sorry. It sounded like what you were originally saying in your first post is that software installed on Windows doesn't do what happened.
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:37:00 -
[1692]
Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: FireMonk BTW i thought i might make it known that i had my boot.ini file deleted then had my computer restarted (my PC suffers from chronic BLUE SCREENS OF DEATH. no idea how to fix em). But yeah, even though i've restarted 7 times since, still boots... still havent found out why it still boots either...
with XP, if system restore was turned on, it might boot in last known good config, but will likely give you a quick boot.ini error at beginning of boot...i may be wrong
I am pretty sure you are. Last known config will save you from a registry issue. This is a removal of a hidden system file.
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deadlydog5
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:37:00 -
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got the computer repair man to come anyone want to explain why my entire C: drive is gone and i cant reboot?
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: deadlydog5 got the computer repair man to come anyone want to explain why my entire C: drive is gone and i cant reboot?
your drive isnt gone, Dont let the computer repair man say it is...
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:40:00 -
[1695]
Originally by: Mortania I did a cursory search through the thread and didn't find this mentioned, so here goes...
If you have SATA hard drives, your XP CD (or 98 bootdisk) will NOT recognize the hard drive until you go into the bios and turn off AHCI mode for the SATA configuration.
Then you can follow the MS instructions on how to rebuild your boot.ini with bootcfg.
After you're finished with the CD you can go back into your bios and re-enable the ACHI mode.
Ooo. Good point. Lots of HPs and IBMs had this issue.
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wyggles
Caldari Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:41:00 -
[1696]
Holy cr*p, 68 pages already...
It was a mistake, a big mistake, but a mistake. I was affected, had to do a system restore, the only things that remained were my programs, of which only some work. But really i blame my friend who reminded me to update my video card drivers. If i hadn't I wouldn't have rebooted my computer, and would've seen the warnings. But i'm not that mad, i wanted to buy a new computer anyway.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:42:00 -
[1697]
Originally by: deadlydog5 got the computer repair man to come anyone want to explain why my entire C: drive is gone and i cant reboot?
If its gone the computer repair man must have taken it. -
I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes. |
Joensen
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:42:00 -
[1698]
Oh the joys of using a separate partition for the OS, a bit of organisation saved me a whole load of hassle.
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Ho HsienKo
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:45:00 -
[1699]
Was wondering why my puter was acting so wierd... have now "Created" a new Boot.ini and hopefully I did it correctly. Guess the proof will be in the reboot?
With this file missing how did windows even start up?!! I would get wierd messages flashing on the screen before it did and strange things were happening... but windows fired up (XP Home edition)
The OS is on C and no Raid so I think I did it correctly.... I am almost afraid to restart the computer, some comforting words before I do?
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deadlydog5
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: deadlydog5 on 07/12/2007 01:46:22
Originally by: DeODokktor
Originally by: deadlydog5 got the computer repair man to come anyone want to explain why my entire C: drive is deleted and i cant reboot?
your drive isnt gone, Dont let the computer repair man say it is...
then y is it not showing up on the CD he put in to check it?
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:48:00 -
[1701]
Originally by: deadlydog5
then y is it not showing up on the CD he put in to check it?
Probably because he's trying to stick you with a large bill.
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CitzNo 097864
Rens 911
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:48:00 -
[1702]
EVE has offically ruined my life.
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Nina P
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:50:00 -
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Ok, to all you people who said that they should have caught this in the testing phase.
I don't disagree totally, but let's just look at the facts.
Lets just stick to XP for now and keep it really simple and use some very low estimations.
There are (to my knowledge) some 110 critical windows patches. Some of these are dependant on previous releases so it only ends up with about some 400 combinations.
There are a few different hardwardware manufacturers, but let's stick to intel and AMD for now (mobos aside), that doubles the nr of test rigs you need to set up to 800.
We now move on to regional settings (different countries), let's stick to the major ones (10 a good enough nr for ya?) 8000 different combinations so far (yes I know this is very dodgy but it's supposed to be easy to understand).
8000 combinations. Now let's install eve under a different directory 16.000 combinations. Lets use the premium client 32.000 combinations. And finally, let's implement two different installers 64.000 combinations.
It takes about 5 restarts to install any of these combinations (on a clean computer) and a total of 2hrs work time for each. 2hrs times 64.000 = 128.000 hrs wich is about 14 man years of testing.
Now all these figures are quite "low" and there are alot more than 64.000 "uniqe" winXP setups out there. Not to mention win2000.
summary: Testing EVERYTHING in a lab ain't cost efficent when your dealing with computers, they could hire more people to test, but then it'd cost more money for us users in the end.
I'm not saying they'r not to blame, I just get a bit ****ed on people complaining about the QA.
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Bozl1n
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:52:00 -
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Any1 conferm this is sorted yet? so if i d/l the patch now can i install it without any of this clusterfooookery?
And no i cant be bothered to read a 64 page thread to see if its fixed or not, i shouldnt have to.
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deadlydog5
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:53:00 -
[1705]
Originally by: DeODokktor
Originally by: deadlydog5
then y is it not showing up on the CD he put in to check it?
Probably because he's trying to stick you with a large bill.
what are the odds of the C: drive being deleted?
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Admus
Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: deadlydog5 what are the odds of the C: drive being deleted?
Approximately three thousand, seven hundred and eighty to one.
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Digicomm
The Digital Communists
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bozl1n Any1 conferm this is sorted yet? so if i d/l the patch now can i install it without any of this clusterfooookery?
And no i cant be bothered to read a 64 page thread to see if its fixed or not, i shouldnt have to.
You must read all 64 pages soz.
sup?
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DvlDwg
Gallente Metal Marines
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: deadlydog5
Originally by: DeODokktor
Originally by: deadlydog5
then y is it not showing up on the CD he put in to check it?
Probably because he's trying to stick you with a large bill.
what are the odds of the C: drive being deleted?
You need to see the post above about your bios not being able to "see" a SATA drive unless you make some changes. Do you have a SATA drive? Where is he looking to say he can't "see" your C drive? In the bios?
There is no hunting like the hunting of man.. |
Bozl1n
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: Bozl1n on 07/12/2007 01:56:54
Originally by: Digicomm
Originally by: Bozl1n Any1 conferm this is sorted yet? so if i d/l the patch now can i install it without any of this clusterfooookery?
And no i cant be bothered to read a 64 page thread to see if its fixed or not, i shouldnt have to.
You must read all 64 pages soz.
Thanks brav, that helps a bunch
Edit:Nice sig LMFAO
Sig returned after a victory with the appeal \o/ ;)~ |
Creditz
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:57:00 -
[1710]
Originally by: Tiberius Xavier
- Start notepad (from accessories)
- Open the file C:\boot.ini
- If this file is not empty, then STOP!
- If you have Windows XP Pro, type:
[boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
else, if you have Windows XP Home, type:
[boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home" /fastdetect
- If your OS partition (C Drive) is not the first disk, first parttion, then adjust the disk, rdisk, partition accordingly (see end of post)
- Save that as C:\boot.ini
- Change the properties of this file (right-click and select properties) and set 'read-only' and 'hidden' (may net be necessary, but I like to keep it read-only and hidden)
- Run the command (Start Menu->Run) msconfig
- Switch to the BOOT.INI tab, and click the button 'Check All Boot Paths'. If this works, you should be able to reboot safely.
I was concerned about RAID, however, I believe that the RAID driver is loaded prior to this BOOT.INI being read, and that the RAID array will be viewed as a logical device. I run RAID-0 Raptors, and this solution works for me.
If you don't know which version of windows you are running:
- Open the start menu
- Right-click My Computer
- Select Properties and the screen that comes should say in plain English.
If you don't know your partition, then best way to make sure you select the right drive in XP is to start diskmgmt.msc and see which partition is your 'C' drive.
- Type in diskmgmt.msc <enter>
- A new window titled 'Disk Management' and see which drive/partition it is under. Most likely, this is the first disk, first partition or multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1) in MSFT speak. If it is the second partition, then put '2'. This is a 1 based count (perhaps because the MBR is 0?)
What if you have windows xp media edtion service pack 2..what do you type in then? I have no clue what I am doing and i am very afraid that I might mess this up please respond with directions like above..I am not suer what to put in for the missing file.
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