Originally by: JeanPaul Sartre

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Edited by: JeanPaul Sartre on 11/12/2007 12:29:01

Originally by: Calimor

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Edited by: Calimor on 11/12/2007 10:40:00
BoB is the empire.
> SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too)
> Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here)
> Dbp is General Grievous
> ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom.

> Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt.

Redswarm Federation are the Rebels.

> Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front.
> Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously.
Appleboy is the trap.
> Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins)
> Suas is Han Solo.

> Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion.

> James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels.

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This post is quite good. My only question is does Suas shoot first or not?

Actually I've got another question... surely you can think of a better Princess Bunhead? James315 is such a bit player in all this... Re-cast this role or I'm not buying the DVD.


Edit: 3rd question... who the hell is O.B.One? (I vote Avon tbh)

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Originally by: Hardin

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Oh I shall Jasmine, safe in the knowledge that this is all a bit of fun....

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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*massive wall of text*

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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Lets look at Cyno Jammers.

Why do they need sovereignty levels to work? The technology is fairly straightforward right? You fire the thing up and no cyno fields can be opened in the system. Its an energy field that makes it impossible to open a cyno beacon system wide. But why does it need Sovereignty to work? And what exactly IS Sovereignty?

Sure sure, you'll say sovereignty is having x number of towers in y number of places and eventually Concord register you have Z sovereignty level. So its just a legalistic thing then? An administrative technicality? Because if thats the case then blahblahblahblahblah...

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Originally by: Mr Neutron

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oh god goon owning sf on caod...

And Jas: your post is pretty much off topic. Some good points in it though. Concord sucks, players should play police in eve. And that's what CVA is doing in Providence. They may not be perfect, but who is (+video game).

Lag & pos warfare sucks too. And in my humble opinion slavers vs slaves RP is pretty shallow. I like much more the drama between non-rp alliances, it feels much more real.

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Originally by: Chest McManbone

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Ok this is just bad roleplaying now. Sure it's bad roleplaying in the bad framework for roleplaying CCP gave us but bad roleplaying all the same. It's tantamount to me saying, "aha our 'spaceships' accelerate and decelerate based on their mass in 'frictionless space' so that's proof that there's a grand conspiracy to make us think we're in space when in reality EvE is all underwater and we're actually piloting submarines. Nevermind the fact that we're hearing sounds out here when hearing sound in space is impossible and what's up with this camera that pans and zooms around our submarine and how come we can't ram smaller ships and..."

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It's not the case that sovereignty is purely a legalistic framework that is then affecting infrastructure, you're pulling a*****hoc ergo propter hoc here.

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What's allowing cyno jammers and other "sovereignty-dependent" structures to work is infrastructure itself, whether that be scientists in the starbases, astronomical readings from the solar system, assorted data, equipment or software or who knows what.

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It's not because of some clerk in Concord with a pen, that's just a conventional marker for the infrastructure level of the system.

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Originally by: Chest McManbone

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Edited by: Chest McManbone on 11/12/2007 21:17:10

Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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Lets look at Cyno Jammers.

Why do they need sovereignty levels to work? The technology is fairly straightforward right? You fire the thing up and no cyno fields can be opened in the system. Its an energy field that makes it impossible to open a cyno beacon system wide. But why does it need Sovereignty to work? And what exactly IS Sovereignty?

Sure sure, you'll say sovereignty is having x number of towers in y number of places and eventually Concord register you have Z sovereignty level. So its just a legalistic thing then? An administrative technicality? Because if thats the case then blahblahblahblahblah...

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Ok this is just bad roleplaying now. Sure it's bad roleplaying in the bad framework for roleplaying CCP gave us but bad roleplaying all the same. It's tantamount to me saying, "aha our 'spaceships' accelerate and decelerate based on their mass in 'frictionless space' so that's proof that there's a grand conspiracy to make us think we're in space when in reality EvE is all underwater and we're actually piloting submarines. Nevermind the fact that we're hearing sounds out here when hearing sound in space is impossible and what's up with this camera that pans and zooms around our submarine and how come we can't ram smaller ships and..."

It's not the case that sovereignty is purely a legalistic framework that is then affecting infrastructure, you're pulling a*****hoc ergo propter hoc here. What's allowing cyno jammers and other "sovereignty-dependent" structures to work is infrastructure itself, whether that be scientists in the starbases, astronomical readings from the solar system, assorted data, equipment or software or who knows what. It's not because of some clerk in Concord with a pen, that's just a conventional marker for the infrastructure level of the system.

And yes someone in Goonfleet actually posted a :psyduck: explanation of how accelerating and decelerating in EvE is occurring. This stuff is properly explicable if you care about RPing (I don't cuz' lololol) but what you just posted was so lazy and actually disruptive to this RPing you say you care about that it's hilarious.

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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Originally by: Mr Neutron

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oh god goon owning sf on caod...

And Jas: your post is pretty much off topic. Some good points in it though. Concord sucks, players should play police in eve. And that's what CVA is doing in Providence. They may not be perfect, but who is (+video game).

Lag & pos warfare sucks too. And in my humble opinion slavers vs slaves RP is pretty shallow. I like much more the drama between non-rp alliances, it feels much more real.

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Hardly. He has an opinion that he's welcome too. I disagree with him and there it is. Nobody invited you as an "umpire" to keep score Mr Neutron.

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Originally by: Mr Neutron

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Jasmine: I'm petitioning you for notorious thread hijacking using posts consisting of suspicious logical constructs.

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Originally by: Calimor

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BoB is the empire.
> SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too)
> Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here)
> Dbp is General Grievous
> ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom.

> Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt.
> Fire 59 is Jar Jar Binks.

Redswarm Federation are the Rebels.

> Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front.
> Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously.
Appleboy is the trap.
> Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins)
> Suas is Han Solo. He shoots first.

> Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion.

> James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels.

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Azzloran > ever heard of a drake? you wont like them when they decloak on you"

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Originally by: Calimor

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BoB is the empire.
> SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too)
> Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here)
> Dbp is General Grievous
> ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom.

> Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt.
> Fire 59 is Jar Jar Binks.

Redswarm Federation are the Rebels.

> Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front.
> Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously.
Appleboy is the trap.
> Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins)
> Suas is Han Solo. He shoots first.

> Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion.

> James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels.

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screw starwars im tzeentch baby~~~~

get some 40k analogies up in dis

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Originally by: Mr Neutron

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Apologies if anyone got offended, first line was my attempt at goons style humour (which I like).

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Originally by: Mr Neutron

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Jasmine: I'm petitioning you for notorious thread hijacking using posts consisting of suspicious logical constructs.

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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Rubbish! You're asking me to "imagine" this huge technological infrastructure that simply doesn't exist. If you had to go haul some extra scientists or mechanical parts for each level of Sovereignty and establish some "sovereignty hubs" in the towers you'd have a point. But as it is you don't.

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Originally by: Janu Hull

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Originally by: Calimor

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BoB is the empire.
> SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too)
> Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here)
> Dbp is General Grievous
> ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom.

> Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt.
> Fire 59 is Jar Jar Binks.

Redswarm Federation are the Rebels.

> Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front.
> Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously.
Appleboy is the trap.
> Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins)
> Suas is Han Solo. He shoots first.

> Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion.

> James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels.

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screw starwars im tzeentch baby~~~~

get some 40k analogies up in dis

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BoB as the Terran Empire. Sir Molle as the human Emperor consuming pets to secure his immortality.

FIX would be the Adeptus Mechanus.

MC would be the Adeptus Astartes.

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Originally by: Chest McManbone

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Q: What's going on with sovereignty levels?

Response 1: Well it's complex you see. There's constant data acquisition being performed on solar dust and radiation levels and what have you. Eventually we know enough to configure and set up constant cyno jammers without causing something horrible to happen when we bombard the entire solar system with a singal super-powered generator that has enough energy to melt your face from 5 AU. Also we can set up jump bridges and constantly running cyno generators that will be able to warp some of your dudes in without dumping them in black holes or making your ships arrive looking like Jeff Goldblum at the end of The Fly. We're not like you pod-pilot jerks who act like Navigators from Dune or something and can pop short-duration cynos and jump on a whim, I hate you guys for being so rich you have no idea.

Response 2: Every control tower built from every faction has somehow been embedded with software from CONCORD that lets it be monitored and controlled from Yulai. Yes, even the pirate ones that CONCORD is at war with. After a couple weeks they press a button in the home offices and it does more stuff. Oh and CONCORD also controls all your guns to make them useless when you attack Sov level 4 capital structures, never mind if you built your guns. We all know this and play by these rules voluntarily. Especially Goonswarm. Also did you know that in Ultima Online your character's eyes weren't actually in your head but 75 feet above you and to the south east? That was crazy.

(Hint: It's the first one. The first one makes a little bit of sense. Not the second one.)

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Originally by: Two Beans

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A wizard did it.

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Originally by: Calimor

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BoB is the empire.
> SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too)
> Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here)
> Dbp is General Grievous
> ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom.

> Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt.
> Fire 59 is Jar Jar Binks.

Redswarm Federation are the Rebels.

> Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front.
> Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously.
Appleboy is the trap.
> Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins)
> Suas is Han Solo. He shoots first.

> Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion.

> James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels.

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screw starwars im tzeentch baby~~~~

get some 40k analogies up in dis

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Originally by: Chest McManbone

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Edited by: Chest McManbone on 12/12/2007 01:15:35

Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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Rubbish! You're asking me to "imagine" this huge technological infrastructure that simply doesn't exist. If you had to go haul some extra scientists or mechanical parts for each level of Sovereignty and establish some "sovereignty hubs" in the towers you'd have a point. But as it is you don't.

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Sometimes I imagine that if Chest McManbone were a real dude he would blink or open his mouth but armed with the pragmatic role-playing of Jade Constantine I now realize he's just a pair of shoulders and a head that stares quizzically to his left FOR ETERNITY.

P.S. you do bring in mechanical parts in addition to lots of other crap but hey CCP should get on that scientist thing that'd be boss.

REGARDLESS LET'S HAVE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT IN-GAME TECH AND LORE(ugh),

We'll have an imaginary conversation with some NPC dude within the EvE universe who wears a labcoat and knows how control towers work. We'll imagine two responses and only one will make the slightest bit of sense.

Q: What's going on with sovereignty levels?

Response 1: Well it's complex you see. There's constant data acquisition being performed on solar dust and radiation levels and what have you. Eventually we know enough to configure and set up constant cyno jammers without causing something horrible to happen when we bombard the entire solar system with a singal super-powered generator that has enough energy to melt your face from 5 AU. Also we can set up jump bridges and constantly running cyno generators that will be able to warp some of your dudes in without dumping them in black holes or making your ships arrive looking like Jeff Goldblum at the end of The Fly. We're not like you pod-pilot jerks who act like Navigators from Dune or something and can pop short-duration cynos and jump on a whim, I hate you guys for being so rich you have no idea.

Response 2: Every control tower built from every faction has somehow been embedded with software from CONCORD that lets it be monitored and controlled from Yulai. Yes, even the pirate ones that CONCORD is at war with. After a couple weeks they press a button in the home offices and it does more stuff. Oh and CONCORD also controls all your guns to make them useless when you attack Sov level 4 capital structures, never mind if you built your guns. We all know this and play by these rules voluntarily. Especially Goonswarm. Also did you know that in Ultima Online your character's eyes weren't actually in your head but 75 feet above you and to the south east? That was crazy.

(Hint: It's the first one. The first one makes a little bit of sense. Not the second one.)

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