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Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:44:00 - [1] I was explaining to a real life mate the difference between the two main EVE alliances. I said BoB was like the evil empire in Star Wars; big ships, highly efficient and ruthless and very arrogant. I said Goons were like the Reavers in Firefly. Thousands of members, lots of small ships, vulgar, rude and geeks. My friend asked if there were any "rebels" like in Star Wars who are fighting for freedom in Eve. I said I do not know. Does anyone know a third choice? ---- Goons - Real Goons - Goons Titans
Fallen Buckshot Amarr North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:47:00 - [2] not really id say the most mercs/pirates are about as close to it ...
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:52:00 - [3] Hello Troll :) In before the flame. o7 2isk
Oli4Oli4 Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:54:00 - [4] Tri ^^
Tablaren Kingdom of Kador Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:57:00 - [5] There are "freedom fights" Fateweavers, Ushra'Khan, Electus Matari, Independant Faction alliances. But most of them are all fighting to free slaves from the amarr. So in other words, they are evil.
Shirokko Papshimar Gallente SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:59:00 - [6] Edited by: Shirokko Papshimar on 10/12/2007 16:59:13 id say goons were a bit like rebels since they were beaten down to nothing and came back with a punch thats shocked alot of us and i heard the mittani looks like yoda
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Shirokko Papshimar Edited by: Shirokko Papshimar on 10/12/2007 16:59:13 id say goons were a bit like rebels since they were beaten down to nothing and came back with a punch thats shocked alot of us and i heard the mittani looks like yoda If only he talked like yoda. "There is Strike, on my overview I see. Primary, he will be!"
SunglassesInSpace GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:08:00 - [8] actually eve is a lot more like WW2
Raid Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:14:00 - [9] CVA sorta....
goazer Amarr Arcana Imperii Ltd. Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:15:00 - [10] eve is like eve
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:17:00 - [11] Originally by: SunglassesInSpace actually eve is a lot more like the crimean war ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:30:00 - [12] A pirates life has the most freedom to it The Establishment is at your service...
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:31:00 - [13] We built this city, We built this city on buttes and donges.
Zastrow GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:33:00 - [14] Originally by: The New York Times For at least a year the most powerful group in Eve has been an alliance known as Band of Brothers, a self-appointed evil empire with the stated objective of taking over the galaxy. Against them is arrayed a motley batch of self-styled freedom fighters with names like the Red Alliance (mostly Russian), Tau Ceti Federation (mostly French), GoonSwarm (mostly obnoxious) and the Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate (mostly drunk). its me im the freedom fighter in the op
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Raid CVA sorta.... CVA is no rebel when it comes to extending the hegemony of the Amarr Empire. However, we are rebels in the sense that we reject the notion that 0.0 alliances must be NBSI. We champion the cause of NRDS. The spacelanes should be open to those who behave themselves. At least, that's my view as a lowly grunt who is in no way empowered to officially speak on behalf of CVA.
Changed Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:36:00 - [16] rise are a lot like the rebels. much like rebels they successfully defended the icy planet of hoth for 10 months against tens of hostile alliances and they had to slice animals stomach open to find a new place to stay between the fragrant intestines (for a little while).
Clavius XIV Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Tablaren There are "freedom fights" Fateweavers, Ushra'Khan, Electus Matari, This. Originally by: Ange1 A pirates life has the most freedom to it And this.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Oli4Oli4 Tri ^^ Sith Bandon is a wookie (or smells like one). =p - Gob IXC Recruitment
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:50:00 - [19] The rebels are the NPC corp alt trolls. Coming by the hundreds, hoping against hope that they'll evade deletion, throwing logic and rules to the wind. They're free in ways that you and I can only imagine.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Montague Zooma Originally by: Raid CVA sorta.... CVA is no rebel when it comes to extending the hegemony of the Amarr Empire. However, we are rebels in the sense that we reject the notion that 0.0 alliances must be NBSI. We champion the cause of NRDS. The spacelanes should be open to those who behave themselves. At least, that's my view as a lowly grunt who is in no way empowered to officially speak on behalf of CVA. An attitude a lot of common players trying to break into the game appreciated deeply. Rebels in attitude, if not form. o7
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:16:00 - [21] hey im da reaver in da op ~fart~ lookit how scary we are OOOOooooOOOOOoOoOOoOOoooO you see,
3ungle Antipodean inc.	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Oli4Oli4 Tri ^^ Sith Bandon is a wookie (or smells like one). =p - Gob We are all wookies in your eyes, you hairless wonder. And as for freedom fighters, who wants to be free, thats just boring. Viva La Resistaunce!!!
Vogue Seven. Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:27:00 - [23] Freedom to do F1-F7 is enough for anyone. Otherwise they are spoilt
Gegi Wau Minmatar Liberty Labs	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:27:00 - [24] Originally by: Raid CVA sorta.... So, CVA are freedom fighters now? Hm... You're confusing them with Ushra'Khan, by any chance? In RP terms, CVA fight for the expansion of the oppressive and slave-holding Amarrian Empire (eventually, all over the universe - but for now, they'll content themselves with Providence). That hardly qualifies them as freedom fighters, I'd say.
Brennah Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Last Wolf Originally by: Shirokko Papshimar Edited by: Shirokko Papshimar on 10/12/2007 16:59:13 id say goons were a bit like rebels since they were beaten down to nothing and came back with a punch thats shocked alot of us and i heard the mittani looks like yoda If only he talked like yoda. "There is Strike, on my overview I see. Primary, he will be!" I wouldn't miss an op if our FC's did this
Ituralde The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Raid CVA sorta.... In that Imperialist Slaver sort of way =P But yeah, I guess you could call the likes of Ushra'Khan and Star Fraction 'freedom fighters'. However, there are really no good guys in EVE. There is no 'black and white' I guess you could say really, but what really makes EVE special is that there really isn't any great deal of gray either. Just varying degrees of 'evil'. Those who tell you they are being benevolent are just putting on a PR show to advance their own agendas. Bleak world, isn't it? _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:37:00 - [27] I belong to an underground organization called "Freedom Fighters for Pods" but since we are underground, you probably havn't heard of us. Most of us hide in corporations with names that involve death, destruction and evil means to hide our true movement. Our movement is about freeing the poor little pods that are encapsulated by the evil, horrible, ghastly looking things often known as "ships". These ships keep the poor little pods captive, so we lend a helping hand to those pods, by freeing them of those ships. So, in a sense, I am a freedom fighter, although, the pods speak a funny language, it seems the only things that ever come out of them is "ransom plz" or "u r getting war decced" the grand old "u r lucky im not in my carrier" and even sometimes "WE%@$^@$^@^@#%$#%@ pirate!" One of these days, I need to learn that language....I think it's called "caring". I hope this answers your question.
Fader Bane Black Knight Buccaneers Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:37:00 - [28] Originally by: SunglassesInSpace actually eve is a lot more like WW2 No its definitely like WW1. I mean it was called The Great War and surely it will end all other wars. ________________________________________
Able Citizen Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Gegi Wau Originally by: Raid CVA sorta.... In RP terms, CVA fight for the expansion of the oppressive and slave-holding Amarrian Empire (eventually, all over the universe - but for now, they'll content themselves with Providence). That hardly qualifies them as freedom fighters, I'd say. This pilot captured the true essence of CVA. Being NRDS doesn't make you a "freedom fighter"; especially if your NRDS policy is conditioned on location. Pirates' freedom is curtailed by those devils in CONCORD; neither do pirates fight for others' freedom. The Star Fraction is unique in that while we do not purport to fight battles for any one specific group, our fight is ideological in nature: fighting against the oppressive memetics of territorial, imperialist concerns.
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:41:00 - [30] Originally by: Ange1 A pirates life has the most freedom to it Yarr Harr fiddle-dee-dee Being a pirate is alright to be Do what you want cuz a pirate is free You are a pirate
Shirokko Papshimar Gallente SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:49:00 - [31] Originally by: Fader Bane Originally by: SunglassesInSpace actually eve is a lot more like WW2 No its definitely like WW1. I mean it was called The Great War and surely it will end all other wars. lol no way . there was less lag in WW1
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Martin VanBuren Originally by: Ange1 A pirates life has the most freedom to it Yarr Harr fiddle-dee-dee Being a pirate is alright to be Do what you want cuz a pirate is free You are a pirate do you remember when people spammed this so much that they had a sticky banning its use I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my ******* all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Monkeytester	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:00:00 - [33] Edited by: Monkeytester on 10/12/2007 19:00:26
Monkeytester	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:02:00 - [34] Edited by: Monkeytester on 10/12/2007 19:02:00
Galgarak Gallente Malus Spiritus	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:03:00 - [35] I would say bob are the rebel alliance to be honest, and goons/RA are the guys who when the jedi's were vanquished and sent into hiding the first time, turns on their ally's and reform to form the galactic empire, like what happened through episode 1-3 We all know how that story ends;) Wonder how mittani will scream when his second in command throws him down a long tunnel ;) anyone in bob have a father in goons?
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Erotic Irony I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my ***** all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes ... ... wait, what? Quote:** Thank you for kittens, glitter, for warm nights in fuzzy blankets... Thank you for dolphins, whales... Thank you for cartoons, for birthdays, for candy and cookies. Thank you CCP!
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:07:00 - [37] Originally by: Galgarak I would say bob are the rebel alliance to be honest, and goons/RA are the guys who when the jedi's were vanquished and sent into hiding the first time, turns on their ally's and reform to form the galactic empire, like what happened through episode 1-3 We all know how that story ends;) Wonder how mittani will scream when his second in command throws him down a long tunnel ;) anyone in bob have a father in goons? Can I be chewbacca
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:43:00 - [38] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 10/12/2007 19:44:48 Who are the true "freedom fighters" of Eve? Well to answer the question you need to understand what the status quo is and how exactly you go about "fighting it". To clarify, the status quo in 0.0 is to claim, dominate, enclose and restrict space with control towers, sovereignty tools, limited docking at stations and use of military force. In essence CCP provide the tools for people to populate the "sandbox" with barbed-wire, machine gun nests and road blocks, and 99% of all alliances go ahead and use this stuff to elect themselves tyrants on a regional level and dominate through use of military power. They aren't doing anything new or "revolutionary" they're just jumping through the hoops that CCP give them to play at "space empires". This therefore is the status quo and backdrop to the struggle you are looking at. By this virtue there isn't much difference between the big powers in 0.0. Its mainly a matter of style and personality and background and reputation. BOB and the Goons are separated not by what they do in-game so much as the personality of the players behind the characters. Its more about the external organizations behind the eve-alliances there. They are both a bit like the "evil empires" from star wars in terms of in-game paradigm, its like darth vadar vs the emperor, there is no "rebel alliance" at that scale. To find a rebel power you have to find an actual rebellion against the status quo. Given that: Territorial Claiming (Sovereignty spam) NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) Standings Enclosurism (Adopt our standings or be Red to us) Are the elements of alliance ideology that are the status quo - it naturally follows that any "rebels" need to oppose these things and offer an alternative to actually have distinct identity and your "third choice". CVA have been mentioned here as "good guys" in that they don't practise NBSI - but that isn't enough. They do practise standings enclosurism and they can certainly set whoever they wish Red and force their client states and "pets" to set similar Reds due to their military dominance. That is not the action of a "rebel" power, its just the attitude of a would-be second-string tyranical power that has its sights of becoming more powerful as time develops. To find a true "rebel" power in Eve you need a meaningful rebellion and eschewing of the game mechanics that dominate alliance ideology: 1. Roving "pvp" forces who reject territorialism and don't play POS wars are "rebelling" against CCP "social engineering" through the obvious deployment of huge benefits for territorial entities. 2. Any organization that practices NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot) is "rebelling" against the conventional wisdom that only NBSI can "defend" and organization's interests in 0.0. 3. Any organization that conducts individual rather than collective negotiation on diplomatic issues is opposing the apparent power of Standings Enclosurism and making a stand for individual sovereignty and independence over herd mentality collective bargaining. Therefore some organizations might be a bit "rebellious" (against the status quo) by embodying one of the 3 points above: Outbreak, Pandemic, Evoke, (and "rovign" pvp force that don't play the POS game defensively), Or maybe by practicing actual or apparent NRDS (old ISS, allegedly CVA, maybe some other empire dwellers). Or even actual standings independence (like most pirate corps, who will set individual +10s regardless of group collective bargaining dependent on pure self interest). But really to be truly rebellious you need to embody all three points above AND be worth a damn in pvp. Quite a challenge, and you are setting yourselves against a huge slice of the development effort that CCP absolutely adore (ie POS warfare and territorial empires) - you are throwing away the "conventional wisdom" that NBSI is the "only way", and you are consciously rejecting the safety of the herd that standings enclosurism brings. Where do you find such a thing? War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:49:00 - [39] Here is a good place to start :) War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:49:00 - [40] that post has so many words that you cant even quote it without hitting the character limit
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:50:00 - [41] brevity is the soul of wit
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:53:00 - [42] Originally by: The Mittani brevity is the soul of wit Brevity is beauty. tl;dr version of Jasmine's poast: Join Star Fraction Quote: Thank you for kittens, glitter, for warm nights in fuzzy blankets... Thank you for dolphins, whales... Thank you for cartoons, for birthdays, for candy and cookies. Thank you CCP!
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:55:00 - [43] Originally by: The Mittani that post has so many words that you cant even quote it without hitting the character limit Submit to my forum powers old man! War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:00:00 - [44] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 10/12/2007 19:44:48 Who are the true "freedom fighters" of Eve? Well to answer the question you need to understand what the status quo is and how exactly you go about "fighting it". To clarify, the status quo in 0.0 is to claim, dominate, enclose and restrict space with control towers, sovereignty tools, limited docking at stations and use of military force. In essence CCP provide the tools for people to populate the "sandbox" with barbed-wire, machine gun nests and road blocks, and 99% of all alliances go ahead and use this stuff to elect themselves tyrants on a regional level and dominate through use of military power. They aren't doing anything new or "revolutionary" they're just jumping through the hoops that CCP give them to play at "space empires". This therefore is the status quo and backdrop to the struggle you are looking at. By this virtue there isn't much difference between the big powers in 0.0. Its mainly a matter of style and personality and background and reputation. BOB and the Goons are separated not by what they do in-game so much as the personality of the players behind the characters. Its more about the external organizations behind the eve-alliances there. They are both a bit like the "evil empires" from star wars in terms of in-game paradigm, its like darth vadar vs the emperor, there is no "rebel alliance" at that scale. To find a rebel power you have to find an actual rebellion against the status quo. Given that: Territorial Claiming (Sovereignty spam) NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) Standings Enclosurism (Adopt our standings or be Red to us) Are the elements of alliance ideology that are the status quo - it naturally follows that any "rebels" need to oppose these things and offer an alternative to actually have distinct identity and your "third choice". CVA have been mentioned here as "good guys" in that they don't practise NBSI - but that isn't enough. They do practise standings enclosurism and they can certainly set whoever they wish Red and force their client states and "pets" to set similar Reds due to their military dominance. That is not the action of a "rebel" power, its just the attitude of a would-be second-string tyranical power that has its sights of becoming more powerful as time develops. To find a true "rebel" power in Eve you need a meaningful rebellion and eschewing of the game mechanics that dominate alliance ideology: 1. Roving "pvp" forces who reject territorialism and don't play POS wars are "rebelling" against CCP "social engineering" through the obvious deployment of huge benefits for territorial entities. 2. Any organization that practices NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot) is "rebelling" against the conventional wisdom that only NBSI can "defend" and organization's interests in 0.0. 3. Any organization that conducts individual rather than collective negotiation on diplomatic issues is opposing the apparent power of Standings Enclosurism and making a stand for individual sovereignty and independence over herd mentality collective bargaining. Therefore some organizations might be a bit "rebellious" (against the status quo) by embodying one of the 3 points above: Outbreak, Pandemic, Evoke, (and "rovign" pvp force that don't play the POS game defensively), Or maybe by practicing actual or apparent NRDS (old ISS, allegedly CVA, maybe some other empire dwellers). Or even actual standings independence (like most pirate corps, who will set individual +10s regardless of group collective bargaining dependent on pure self interest)... this is important guys: so JF is space marxism? ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:20:00 - [45] Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 10/12/2007 19:44:48 Who are the true "freedom fighters" of Eve? Well to answer the question you need to understand what the status quo is and how exactly you go about "fighting it". To clarify, the status quo in 0.0 is to claim, dominate, enclose and restrict space with control towers, sovereignty tools, limited docking at stations and use of military force. In essence CCP provide the tools for people to populate the "sandbox" with barbed-wire, machine gun nests and road blocks, and 99% of all alliances go ahead and use this stuff to elect themselves tyrants on a regional level and dominate through use of military power. They aren't doing anything new or "revolutionary" they're just jumping through the hoops that CCP give them to play at "space empires". This therefore is the status quo and backdrop to the struggle you are looking at. By this virtue there isn't much difference between the big powers in 0.0. Its mainly a matter of style and personality and background and reputation. BOB and the Goons are separated not by what they do in-game so much as the personality of the players behind the characters. Its more about the external organizations behind the eve-alliances there. They are both a bit like the "evil empires" from star wars in terms of in-game paradigm, its like darth vadar vs the emperor, there is no "rebel alliance" at that scale. To find a rebel power you have to find an actual rebellion against the status quo. Given that: Territorial Claiming (Sovereignty spam) NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) Standings Enclosurism (Adopt our standings or be Red to us) Are the elements of alliance ideology that are the status quo - it naturally follows that any "rebels" need to oppose these things and offer an alternative to actually have distinct identity and your "third choice". CVA have been mentioned here as "good guys" in that they don't practise NBSI - but that isn't enough. They do practise standings enclosurism and they can certainly set whoever they wish Red and force their client states and "pets" to set similar Reds due to their military dominance. That is not the action of a "rebel" power, its just the attitude of a would-be second-string tyranical power that has its sights of becoming more powerful as time develops. To find a true "rebel" power in Eve you need a meaningful rebellion and eschewing of the game mechanics that dominate alliance ideology: 1. Roving "pvp" forces who reject territorialism and don't play POS wars are "rebelling" against CCP "social engineering" through the obvious deployment of huge benefits for territorial entities. 2. Any organization that practices NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot) is "rebelling" against the conventional wisdom that only NBSI can "defend" and organization's interests in 0.0. 3. Any organization that conducts individual rather than collective negotiation on diplomatic issues is opposing the apparent power of Standings Enclosurism and making a stand for individual sovereignty and independence over herd mentality collective bargaining. Therefore some organizations might be a bit "rebellious" (against the status quo) by embodying one of the 3 points above: Outbreak, Pandemic, Evoke, (and "rovign" pvp force that don't play the POS game defensively), Or maybe by practicing actual or apparent NRDS (old ISS, allegedly CVA, maybe some other empire dwellers). Or even actual standings independence (like most pirate corps, who will set individual +10s regardless of group collective bargaining dependent on pure self interest)... this is important guys: so JF is space marxism? More like libertarianism or a sort of anarchism by my look at it. Almost has a hunter/gatherer feel to it. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:22:00 - [46] you see, jf is :words: :words: :words: :words: its pretty impressive how much they write actually though i can't be bothered to read it all, they occasionally totally take over a thread and my god
Wednesday Sheffield Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:22:00 - [47] Well to be the rebels they would have to 1. Fight to restore the Senate to power. 2. Have blown up at least two Death Stars (with a little help.) 3. Have gotten backstabbed by a few very important people that they had considered friends but come back to rule the galaxy in the end. 4. Have Jedi "Knights" within their ranks. 5. Have sacrificed many Bothans to find the secret enemy plans. 6. Be not nearly as cool as the Empire. (would that be BoB or goons in this case?) In other words it KOS. KOS are the rebels.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:37:00 - [48] Originally by: The Mittani you see, jf is :words: :words: :words: :words: its pretty impressive how much they write actually though i can't be bothered to read it all, they occasionally totally take over a thread and my god We pick our threads Mittani. Like hunters in the undergrowth waiting for the optimum time to strike ... War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:57:00 - [49] I dunno Graalum, if the pvp with the pretense that theyre this anticolonial, anti-imperial platform, and try to distance themselves from that context, toward genuine freedom/happiness they make a fundamental misstep. They try to distance themselves from alliance culture by avoiding the usual language of k:d and pos war but in its place they use posthumanism, enclosurism and other rhetoric. In reality they are no different from the people they purport to offer an alternative to, their strategy is still in revolutionary language, in neologism and a negative utopianism that is as untenable as being a wealthy and fulfilled member of an 0.0 alliance. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:16:00 - [50] There will never be in-game freedom fighters because there will never be in-game oppression to fight against. Residents simply pack up and leave moving to the next soft area of space rather than fight their oppressors. Create barriers to mobility, then you'd see... a lot of people quitting eve lol. You'll never get freedom fighters out of gamers.
Petter Sandstad Taggart Transdimensional Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:18:00 - [51] How about entities such as the Trade Federation, Commerce Guild, Techno Union, and the Intergalactic Banking Clan? You are forgetting who represents these in the world of EVE. Champions of Capitalism, and seekers of profit, simply wanting to make money without interference from entities like The Galactic Senate. Then betrayed by their appearant ally. One corporation that represents these entities is TTI, and it is the true champion of Capitalism and freedom.
Mithfindel Gallente St. Julian Social Club	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Galgarak anyone in bob have a father in goons? Assuming that FIX stays with BoB to the end, I hear that Dark Shikari is actually a goon.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:33:00 - [53] Originally by: Oli4Oli4 Tri ^^ We're more like the Hutts tbh.
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:50:00 - [54] Edited by: Murtala on 10/12/2007 21:52:21 Lets be honest, one side might win the war and I am not liking either side. While CCP adds more 0.0 space, hi-sec space has remained the same and is getting crowed. Would be nice if there was a superpower able to keep open a region of 0.0 free to carebears without the NBSI and killmail whorage attitude. I think ISS tried but failed. Meh, but what do I know? I am only an alt troll and you GBC, Goons and pet/allies are much more smarter than me and have invested a lot more time in game than me. EDIT: If you want to create a true legacy, create Jita in 0.0 and maintain it. Goons - Real Goons - Goons Titans
crudhunch Templars of Space Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.12.10 22:11:00 - [55] Fla was
Hasham Abbas	Posted - 2007.12.10 22:22:00 - [56] fyi BoB is a lot like Queen Amidala they have an unhealthy interest in young boys
Sebroth Coordination Incorporated	Posted - 2007.12.10 22:39:00 - [57] I would call all the rp alliances rebels since they do stand and fight for something totaly different then all the other alliances do. So both CVA and Unity do stand under the same rebel banner in my view, even if they stand on diffrerent sides of the pole now what the OP should ask is, who is the dude dancing at the pole? ----- Never knock on Death's door; ring the doorbell and run (he hates that)
Hermia Steel Daggers	Posted - 2007.12.10 22:49:00 - [58] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Here is a good place to start :) heh, that vid never gets old
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 22:49:00 - [59] Edited by: Hannobaal on 10/12/2007 22:50:18 Originally by: Erotic Irony this is important guys: so JF is space marxism? Sounds more like the exact opposite to me: Originally by: Jasmine Constantine making a stand for individual sovereignty and independence over herd mentality
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:09:00 - [60] Originally by: Hannobaal Edited by: Hannobaal on 10/12/2007 22:50:18 Originally by: Erotic Irony this is important guys: so JF is space marxism? Sounds more like the exact opposite to me: Originally by: Jasmine Constantine making a stand for individual sovereignty and independence over herd mentality True there. The JF = space Marxism slur is something which ill-informed people have thrown around for years now. The truth is we're more anarcho-capitalist libertarians (with guns). Each free captain is responsible for their own finances and equipment and we have very little in the way of shared capital or assets. People join SF to fight in a revolutionary movement not to "get rich", but its often the case that good fighters with vision and endurance never seem to find it too difficult to make money either. We're pretty much permanently at war against NBSI territorial/enclosurist entities who have previously committed acts of aggression against our members and represent an opportunity for people to actively pvp 24/7 against people that actually deserve to be shot. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Hasham Abbas Aliastra	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:12:00 - [61] so wait, you're space ron paul's?
Angelus Damelon Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:18:00 - [62] Originally by: Martin VanBuren Originally by: Galgarak I would say bob are the rebel alliance to be honest, and goons/RA are the guys who when the jedi's were vanquished and sent into hiding the first time, turns on their ally's and reform to form the galactic empire, like what happened through episode 1-3 We all know how that story ends;) Wonder how mittani will scream when his second in command throws him down a long tunnel ;) anyone in bob have a father in goons? Can I be chewbacca punch it chewie
Agnst Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:18:00 - [63] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Hannobaal Edited by: Hannobaal on 10/12/2007 22:50:18 Originally by: Erotic Irony this is important guys: so JF is space marxism? Sounds more like the exact opposite to me: Originally by: Jasmine Constantine making a stand for individual sovereignty and independence over herd mentality True there. The JF = space Marxism slur is something which ill-informed people have thrown around for years now. The truth is we're more anarcho-capitalist libertarians (with guns). Each free captain is responsible for their own finances and equipment and we have very little in the way of shared capital or assets. People join SF to fight in a revolutionary movement not to "get rich", but its often the case that good fighters with vision and endurance never seem to find it too difficult to make money either. We're pretty much permanently at war against NBSI territorial/enclosurist entities who have previously committed acts of aggression against our members and represent an opportunity for people to actively pvp 24/7 against people that actually deserve to be shot. You guys rock :D
Desiderata Fabian GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:29:00 - [64] Originally by: Hannobaal Edited by: Hannobaal on 10/12/2007 22:50:18 Originally by: Erotic Irony this is important guys: so JF is space marxism? Sounds more like the exact opposite to me: Originally by: Jasmine Constantine making a stand for individual sovereignty and independence over herd mentality The Star Fraction are a group of roleplayers shooting other roleplayers for roleplay reasons. That’s pretty much it.
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:38:00 - [65] Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Originally by: Hannobaal Edited by: Hannobaal on 10/12/2007 22:50:18 Originally by: Erotic Irony this is important guys: so JF is space marxism? Sounds more like the exact opposite to me: Originally by: Jasmine Constantine making a stand for individual sovereignty and independence over herd mentality The Star Fraction are a group of roleplayers shooting other roleplayers for roleplay reasons. ThatÆs pretty much it. That's the best one line summary evar! :P San Matari Official forums
Mr Neutron Browncoats Freelancers	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:39:00 - [66] I think that both NRDS entities and non teritorrial pirates in EVE are the rebels fighting for freedom. One of them are on the light side, others on the dark side. BOB, GOONS, and any other NBSI space claiming entities are imperiums each one of them. I may not know much about CVA and the politics they commence, but it really puzzles me why SF takes on them since they're the only entity in EVE that tries to open 0.0 to all non pirating pilotes. There are really plenty of more suitable targets for you guys. ---- Jayne Cobb> Shiny! Let's be bad guys...
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:42:00 - [67] Originally by: Mr Neutron I may not know much about CVA and the politics they commence, but it really puzzles me why SF takes on them since they're the only entity in EVE that tries to open 0.0 to all non pirating pilotes. There are really plenty of more suitable targets for you guys. Who said posting on COAD was about revealing the plain truth? FYI: The Star Fraction is currently engaged in a campaign to destroy the CVA, which started more than a month ago. This may explain why they try and make the CVA look bad when they talk about them here. San Matari Official forums
Crovan Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:59:00 - [68] Wait, so does that make Seleene Jabba the Hutt? I better warn him to stay away from Carrie Fisher in a bronze bikini (Evil Thug?). Also, I get to be Boba Fett
Drykor Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:07:00 - [69] Originally by: Mr Neutron I think that both NRDS entities and non teritorrial pirates in EVE are the rebels fighting for freedom. One of them are on the light side, others on the dark side. BOB, GOONS, and any other NBSI space claiming entities are imperiums each one of them. I may not know much about CVA and the politics they commence, but it really puzzles me why SF takes on them since they're the only entity in EVE that tries to open 0.0 to all non pirating pilotes. There are really plenty of more suitable targets for you guys. Easy. First of all, they shot us first. How's that for an NRDS alliance? On top of that, they like to make us look like pirates to justify this. Second, they represent everything we fight against, they actually want to expand the Amarr empire.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:13:00 - [70] Originally by: Mithfindel Originally by: Galgarak anyone in bob have a father in goons? Assuming that FIX stays with BoB to the end, I hear that Dark Shikari is actually a goon. yeah, he claimed that one day when he posted parts over and over to prove it. it was quite unimpressive. Originally by: Ricdic Ezoran is a dirty troll. Ezoran has been repoted to mods for trolling on this and many other threads As trolling continues Ezoran will continue to be reported If Ezoran persists then
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:21:00 - [71] Originally by: Drykor Easy. First of all, they shot us first. How's that for an NRDS alliance? On top of that, they like to make us look like pirates to justify this. Second, they represent everything we fight against, they actually want to expand the Amarr empire. Four years ago the Jericho Fraction delared war on the 1st Praetorian Guard, a founding corporation of the CVA (then not an alliance obviously). Now beat that - you started it :P Now recruiting!
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:24:00 - [72] Edited by: dastommy79 on 11/12/2007 00:25:48 There really isnt any good guys or bad guys. Like i am a good guy for smashkill and friends but i am a bad guy to fergie ferge and IRC and other peoples. The real freedom fights are the underwear gnomes. Now these guys got it going on. what are we talkin bout agian? edit: i want to be an ewok in starwars eve. tia I driks lot signature removed- Jacques([email protected])
Orebuster GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:27:00 - [73] Edited by: Orebuster on 11/12/2007 00:27:43 Originally by: Angelus Damelon Originally by: Martin VanBuren Originally by: Galgarak I would say bob are the rebel alliance to be honest, and goons/RA are the guys who when the jedi's were vanquished and sent into hiding the first time, turns on their ally's and reform to form the galactic empire, like what happened through episode 1-3 We all know how that story ends;) Wonder how mittani will scream when his second in command throws him down a long tunnel ;) anyone in bob have a father in goons? punch it chewie Who are you calling "scruffy-looking"?
Cipher7 VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:29:00 - [74] Game mechanic wise CVA are the freedom fighters. Its the only area of space where the residents are NRDS.
Ituralde The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:19:00 - [75] Let's be honest. CVA and it's allies are NRDS insofar as they feel like calling you neutral. If you look at them the wrong way, or look too much to them like a pirate, or slander their empire, chances are they are going to shoot you. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:22:00 - [76] True Ituralde. CVA are pretty much standard deep space tyrants just trying to "play nice" with the NRDS thing but unless you do exactly what they say and set standings exactly as they wish you are going to end up -10 and targeted anyhow. There is no "freedom" in Providence, just dictatorship. No way can you consider that some "freedom fighting" agenda. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Erik Amirault Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:24:00 - [77] Edited by: Erik Amirault on 11/12/2007 01:25:02 RSF are like Mu/Lamda Lamda Lamda and BoB are the Alpha Betas and the battle for Catch is like the homecoming rally.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:28:00 - [78] I's me, I'm the rebel fighting for freedom in Eve in da op. (Am I too late? Did someone make that joke already?) D-F-C recruitment closed
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:41:00 - [79] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus I's me, I'm the rebel fighting for freedom in Eve in da op. (Am I too late? Did someone make that joke already?) Yeah it's been done already sorry buddy
Nek Tuomatta Advanced Combat Machines and Equipment	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:53:00 - [80] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine True Ituralde. CVA are pretty much standard deep space tyrants just trying to "play nice" with the NRDS thing but unless you do exactly what they say and set standings exactly as they wish you are going to end up -10 and targeted anyhow. There is no "freedom" in Providence, just dictatorship. No way can you consider that some "freedom fighting" agenda. There is only one providence principle: Don't pirate Say what you like, but you lot are just fed up mosquitos - a bloodsucking nuisance :P You are now reading my sig! Originally by: Gaius Kador Nothing surprises me as to the lengths Star Fraction will go to push their propaganda on the public masses.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:59:00 - [81] Originally by: Orangir Originally by: Deschenus Maximus I's me, I'm the rebel fighting for freedom in Eve in da op. (Am I too late? Did someone make that joke already?) Yeah it's been done already sorry buddy **** D-F-C recruitment closed
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:22:00 - [82] Ushra'khan are freedom fighters. We fight against slavery. It is our one and only goal and drives every single decision we make as an alliance - wether that makes us the good guys or the bad guys. We fight against the Amarr, their paramilitaries, those who work for them, those who work with them, those who trade slaves, and also fight a war of words with the supporters of a republic we consider to be corrupt. Maggot.
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:30:00 - [83] Originally by: Bein Glorious most of the stuff i know about women is from the nintendo 64 games though just fyi
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:33:00 - [84] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine True Ituralde. CVA are pretty much standard deep space tyrants just trying to "play nice" with the NRDS thing but unless you do exactly what they say and set standings exactly as they wish you are going to end up -10 and targeted anyhow. There is no "freedom" in Providence, just dictatorship. No way can you consider that some "freedom fighting" agenda. Eh, speaking as one who spent many months flying under CVA's aegis, lemme say that what they ask you to do in comparison to what they offer for cooperation doesn't rate on the burden scale out to ten decimal places. Its real simple. Don't shoot first. That's it. Nothing else. Feel oppressed yet?
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:43:00 - [85] Originally by: Nek Tuomatta There is only one providence principle: Don't pirate Say what you like, but you lot are just fed up mosquitos - a bloodsucking nuisance :P Actually the Providence "principle" is don't pirate IN PROVIDENCE apparently. Providence CVA friendly corporations are allowed to pirate OUTSIDE providence and then can come home to providence and count on the rest there defending them against the rightfully-annoyed attempted victims of Providence-resident "piracy". This means that Providence residents happily "pirate" / (attack neutrals) on the Misaba to Mista route and then fly home to pretend they are wholesome NRDS people back in Providence. All in all this doesn't paint a good picture of what goes on here. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:53:00 - [86] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Nek Tuomatta There is only one providence principle: Don't pirate Say what you like, but you lot are just fed up mosquitos - a bloodsucking nuisance :P Actually the Providence "principle" is don't pirate IN PROVIDENCE apparently. Providence CVA friendly corporations are allowed to pirate OUTSIDE providence and then can come home to providence and count on the rest there defending them against the rightfully-annoyed attempted victims of Providence-resident "piracy". This means that Providence residents happily "pirate" / (attack neutrals) on the Misaba to Mista route and then fly home to pretend they are wholesome NRDS people back in Providence. All in all this doesn't paint a good picture of what goes on here. Attacking neutrals in the Mista-Misaba pipe is grounds for KOS status in Providence.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.11 03:06:00 - [87] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 11/12/2007 03:08:31 Originally by: Janu Hull Attacking neutrals in the Mista-Misaba pipe is grounds for KOS status in Providence. If that was true I think Sev3rance and Cold Steel would have been excluded following their unprovoked aggression against Star Fraction. But what you actually mean is : *attacking ANYONE apart from those neutrals the CVA tells you to attack is considered grounds for KOS status in Providence.* War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Chest McManbone GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 03:45:00 - [88] Hey mang I don't really get the whole concept of NBSI being comparable to some psychotic dystopia death-nation. I mean if I'm the rebels from Star Wars and a bunch of dudes we don't know show up in warships around the territories of us or our allies I'm pretty sure we'd take that badly...nevermind the fact they're at war and have to worry about infiltration, fifth columns and all that jazz.
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:42:00 - [89] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Janu Hull Attacking neutrals in the Mista-Misaba pipe is grounds for KOS status in Providence. If that was true I think Sev3rance and Cold Steel would have been excluded following their unprovoked aggression against Star Fraction. But what you actually mean is : *attacking ANYONE apart from those neutrals the CVA tells you to attack is considered grounds for KOS status in Providence.* So you expect CVA to make someone KOS for shooting at CVA's enemies? This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:50:00 - [90] Our alliance operated NRDS in 0.0 for a while, but too many cowardly alt spies in shuttles and isk farmers ruined it for us by taking advantage of our policies, I don't know how CVA operates and I'm always suprised Providence isn't crawling with farmers and macro ratters. In my opinion its not feasible to hold sov in 0.0 and be NRDS, it's a shame because we try to position ourself as a free trade Anti-pirate alliance and being NBSI is pretty hypocritical in this regard. We do practice NRDS in low sec still...
Ventro69 Caldari Manson Family Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:54:00 - [91] My pants are too tight...does that count?
darkfuntime Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:13:00 - [92] I,m going to have to say the isk farmers are the true rebels. [/url Take back your existence or die like a punk.
Butcher el'Hek	Posted - 2007.12.11 08:05:00 - [93] Originally by: Norwood Franskly Our alliance operated NRDS in 0.0 for a while, but too many cowardly alt spies in shuttles and isk farmers ruined it for us by taking advantage of our policies, I don't know how CVA operates and I'm always suprised Providence isn't crawling with farmers and macro ratters. CVA has the benefit of having U'K and allies clean its space for them - to be honest we should charge a fee.
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2007.12.11 08:19:00 - [94] Originally by: Janu Hull speaking as one who spent many months flying under CVA's aegis, lemme say that what they ask you to do in comparison to what they offer for cooperation doesn't rate on the burden scale out to ten decimal places. Its real simple. Don't shoot first. That's it. Nothing else. Feel oppressed yet? Damn right I do. "Don't shoot first" - where is the fun in that? "Target off port bow" "Whose is it? "Don't know - don't care. Prepare for action!" Yarr!
bazzed Tweek 'n' Co Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.12.11 08:21:00 - [95] Sharing Standings and shooting together at Corps/Allys which are KOS is the ONLY way to keep an nrds Area clean. Otherwise it would be the perfect Area/Paradise for Pirates. They do not Attack the Residents but can shoot at Neutrals. You can shoot only back (like SF does) when you have no Space,and when you are not trying to give access to 0.0 to neutrals. So Star Fracton NRDS "Version" is not compatibel with our Goals to give 0.0 Access to Neutrals. But we trying to give access to 0.0 for all... and there is no other way then to share the intel/standings about Pirates and ppl which are attacking neutrals. Cold Steel and Sev3rance do not pirate, thats an absolutly lie. The order is (and was always) only to shoot Pilots which are definitly Hostile/KOS. Like somebody earlyer said... thats hard enough, you have hostiles and Neutrals in space and you can never be sure ho is realy Neutral/Friendly. Killing everything you can lock (like Ushra'khan) is Pirating, this has imho nothing with a "freedom fighter" to do. This thread has startet with a RL Comparison, so: When SF is a "Freedom Fighter/Rebel/Free Captain against NBSI "terror" " then Al QUadia is in RL too, but i am pretty sure they're not. (Atleast when you attacking other NRDS entitys and giving intel to NBSI Allys (which are red to you). Sorry for my bad english, trying my best :)
Calimor Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 10:30:00 - [96] Edited by: Calimor on 11/12/2007 10:30:31 BoB is the empire. > SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too) > Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here) > Dbp is General Grievous > ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom. > Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt. Redswarm Federation are the Rebels. > Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front. > Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously. Appleboy is the trap. > Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins) > Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion. > James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.11 10:58:00 - [97] Originally by: Calimor Edited by: Calimor on 11/12/2007 10:40:00 BoB is the empire. > SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too) > Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here) > Dbp is General Grievous > ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom. > Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt. Redswarm Federation are the Rebels. > Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front. > Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously. Appleboy is the trap. > Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins) > Suas is Han Solo. > Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion. > James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels. henceforth the last word in all evil empire threads, nicely done any room for fire 59? ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Esk Esme Caldari High4Life	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:07:00 - [98] id say corp's / allainces like outbreak / Evoke and who the other dude's we used to fight in curse hmm interdiction would sum up the rebel's in EvE also a few lo-sec pierate corps yea my english sux sue me Cry Havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!.
hmmmmmmmm Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:25:00 - [99] goons are good guys?are we playing seim game?
HeadHunta II Mercenaries of Andosia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:44:00 - [100] freedom...hmmm Think there are many alliances fighting for freedom...mostly for their own freedom. Away from the roleplay thingy i would say "Foundation" alliance is fighting pretty long and hard for their freedom or like they would say: "The Freedom of GW". I dont know what they exactly mean with that. (Maybe someone can help me out here without the typical phrases.) But i have to say they fight for this area since ages and as many of us thought they are already dead, they came up again and again and again. As i said i dunno what "fighting for freedom" means in eve for single ppl, for me it means to have a goal and dont be someones slave or pet and if you are that, to get rid of this status. My vote for the "freedom-fighters" (if you would call it so) goes to Foundation. And i fully respect those guys, even if i try to pewpew them everyday . Respect guys. "My opinion is not your opinion. Live with it!"
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:46:00 - [101] Originally by: Esk Esme id say corp's / allainces like outbreak / Evoke and who the other dude's we used to fight in curse hmm interdiction would sum up the rebel's in EvE also a few lo-sec pierate corps yea my english sux sue me Cry Havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!. Well before I get spanked for barking I think u have to go down the route of Jabbas palace for 0utbreak and the likes of... much more along the lines of " Scum and Villanary " there are no rebelas ... ur all hungry, familly killing thugs u just dont know it yet. Id say in the early days trying to try and make a "free space" from the CFS pre fix (dint last long) was about as close as it got... nasty affiar that. though marko as jaba ... hahahahah (im so gonna get whipped its been nice knowing u).
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:20:00 - [102] Originally by: Erotic Irony any room for fire 59? Jar Jar Binks? D-F-C recruitment closed
JeanPaul Sartre 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:27:00 - [103] Originally by: Calimor Edited by: Calimor on 11/12/2007 10:40:00 BoB is the empire. > SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too) > Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here) > Dbp is General Grievous > ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom. > Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt. Redswarm Federation are the Rebels. > Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front. > Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously. Appleboy is the trap. > Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins) > Suas is Han Solo. > Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion. > James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels. This post is quite good. My only question is does Suas shoot first or not? Actually I've got another question... surely you can think of a better Princess Bunhead? James315 is such a bit player in all this... Re-cast this role or I'm not buying the DVD. -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
Seke Faewyn Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:35:00 - [104] Originally by: Orebuster Edited by: Orebuster on 11/12/2007 00:27:43 Originally by: Angelus Damelon Originally by: Martin VanBuren Originally by: Galgarak I would say bob are the rebel alliance to be honest, and goons/RA are the guys who when the jedi's were vanquished and sent into hiding the first time, turns on their ally's and reform to form the galactic empire, like what happened through episode 1-3 We all know how that story ends;) Wonder how mittani will scream when his second in command throws him down a long tunnel ;) anyone in bob have a father in goons? punch it chewie Who are you calling "scruffy-looking"? Laugh it up, fuzz-ball
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:46:00 - [105] Originally by: Seke Faewyn Originally by: Orebuster Edited by: Orebuster on 11/12/2007 00:27:43 Originally by: Angelus Damelon Originally by: Martin VanBuren Originally by: Galgarak .. punch it chewie Who are you calling "scruffy-looking"? Laugh it up, fuzz-ball boring conversation anyway ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Krystian Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:00:00 - [106] Edited by: Krystian on 11/12/2007 14:00:40 Originally by: darkfuntime I,m going to have to say the isk farmers are the true rebels. Ah yes their eternal struggle for isk to feed their families, the other meat on the table and all they ask as that we do is not to violence their boats. WHY?
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:02:00 - [107] Originally by: Norwood Franskly Our alliance operated NRDS in 0.0 for a while, but too many cowardly alt spies in shuttles and isk farmers ruined it for us by taking advantage of our policies, I don't know how CVA operates and I'm always suprised Providence isn't crawling with farmers and macro ratters. In my opinion its not feasible to hold sov in 0.0 and be NRDS, it's a shame because we try to position ourself as a free trade Anti-pirate alliance and being NBSI is pretty hypocritical in this regard. We do practice NRDS in low sec still... Define the difference between a farmer and a ratter. As for macros, they exist. Good luck wiping them out, they could give roaches pointers about survival. Macro haulers do operate in the Providence area. They knew about it, and acknowledged it as a problem beyond their ability to stop. Lets face it. For all the efforts to remove them from 0.0, not one alliance has ever succeeded in pulling it off. Why waste your game time doing CCP's job? As for shuttle alt spies, whoopty-doo. Its not like you can catch them very often, either, and its not like a Covops pilot with half a brain couldn't do the job better.
Ch4lie Caldari No Guts No Glory	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:15:00 - [108] Edited by: Ch4lie on 11/12/2007 14:16:40 Originally by: darkfuntime I,m going to have to say the isk farmers are the true rebels. Sorry friends, I would like to please help me hunting ? the army said I could hunt Could you come here and what are? hi, you come to violence my boat? The army told me to leave I will leave okay please do not let me leave here in good friends
Snake Jankins Minmatar German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:35:00 - [109] A thread with such a topic would be incomplete without a Star Fraction post. Good to see they are still having the same agenda. Already thought they had given up swimming against the stream tbh. ___________ I've never been so serious as I am now. No, really.
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:20:00 - [110] Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Originally by: Bein Glorious most of the stuff i know about women is from the nintendo 64 games though just fyi hey
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:19:00 - [111] Originally by: Snake Jankins A thread with such a topic would be incomplete without a Star Fraction post. Good to see they are still having the same agenda. Already thought they had given up swimming against the stream tbh. Thats the essence of it really Snake! It really is "swimming against the stream". Hence my earlier (long) post explaining how unless an organization is going to try to shake the conditioning imposed by the game mechanics (NBSI) and developer preferred architecture (POS/Sovereignty indirect war) then it can't really be considered in the least bit subversive and revolutionary. As you probably know we've incorporated this whole thing into our RP ideology in the terms of "memetic tyranny" which put simply means: Our characters believe that all the capsule pilots (ie players) in the Eve star cluster (game) are being manipulated by a sinister non-human intelligence that has an agenda of ensuring the status quo and keeping the capsuleers busy fighting stupid little territorial wars jumping through hoops of tower deployment and land grabbing that are quite irrelevant to the technological level and possibilities of the setting. Point is that the moment we become capsule pilots (begin the game) we're becoming a different kind of human being from the (imaginary) people on the planets below and suddenly we have the ability to build or barter for anything we need without needing to pay taxes or surrender our independence and personal will to the bureaucrats in government in the traditional (background) empires. And yet. Somehow 99% of capsule pilots end up as footsoldiers grinding away in somebody else's territorial war or simply earning a wage and jumping when "the system" tells them to jump. Betraying the possibilities granted them, accepting inherited wisdom, failing to question the status quo and generally behaving like the white lab mice they are while running around from one hunk of test cheese to another. Our Roleplay is that "something" is behind this. Evil memetics, meddling AIs, Jovian infiltrators, even a malicious fallen god-figure perhaps - but this "something" makes the herd act as the herd and ensures that freedoms out there in the eve universe are usually ignored in favor of doing the same old same old. Example case in point: Lets look at Cyno Jammers. Why do they need sovereignty levels to work? The technology is fairly straightforward right? You fire the thing up and no cyno fields can be opened in the system. Its an energy field that makes it impossible to open a cyno beacon system wide. But why does it need Sovereignty to work? And what exactly IS Sovereignty? Sure sure, you'll say sovereignty is having x number of towers in y number of places and eventually Concord register you have Z sovereignty level. So its just a legalistic thing then? An administrative technicality? Because if thats the case then the Cyno Jammers themselves are just pre-programmed in firmware to only activate when the Concord Registry for the system has certain qualifying status data in it? Just information? So all these outward 0.0 empires that pride themselves on building space empires are basically just patsies of Concord who's apparent "freedom" of action is dictated by administrative oversight from core empires and Concord super bureaucracy. Jump through Concord's hoops and get a piece of cheese little test-mice. Where are the true rebels? In eve terms it'd be the people hacking cyno jammer tech and making it work without Sovereignty. People slipping the leash of central authority and oversight and breaking the unseen dominion of whatever powers dictate these things. Sovereignty is just a way of keeping score. Its numbers in a database. It has no actual power or existence beyond the effects granted it by the surrounding bureaucracy of the "sandbox". But in 0.0 space the sandbox is actually a laboratory maze for all the little mice chasing cheese. Think about that. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Nekumi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:33:00 - [112] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You're still the best.
Hardin Amarr Federation Holding Corp Void Dragon Federation	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:35:00 - [113] I, too, believe in fairies... ------------------------------
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:52:00 - [114] Originally by: Hardin I, too, believe in fairies... Doesn't matter what you believe in Hardin ... keep on putting up the POS and looking for your reward War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:58:00 - [115] Actually, the "something" wants constant strife throughout the galaxy. The Fraction is unwittingly serving its agenda along with everyone else. The only way to defeat the "something" is to stay docked and play on the forums instead. It's also less buggy and laggy that way.
Super Twinkey69 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:07:00 - [116] this thred needs more TRI y4r
Swirler Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:07:00 - [117] Originally by: Murtala I said BoB was like the evil empire in Star Wars; big ships, highly efficient and ruthless and very arrogant. I said Goons were like the Reavers in Firefly. Thousands of members, lots of small ships, vulgar, rude and geeks. ---- Did you tell your friend you don't know jack about Eve and run missions in empire? BoB are the good guys, Goons are the D00ch3 B@6s. 8-)
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:12:00 - [118] Originally by: Able Citizen Originally by: Gegi Wau Originally by: Raid CVA sorta.... In RP terms, CVA fight for the expansion of the oppressive and slave-holding Amarrian Empire (eventually, all over the universe - but for now, they'll content themselves with Providence). That hardly qualifies them as freedom fighters, I'd say. This pilot captured the true essence of CVA. Being NRDS doesn't make you a "freedom fighter"; especially if your NRDS policy is conditioned on location. Pirates' freedom is curtailed by those devils in CONCORD; neither do pirates fight for others' freedom. The Star Fraction is unique in that while we do not purport to fight battles for any one specific group, our fight is ideological in nature: fighting against the oppressive memetics of territorial, imperialist concerns. Star fraction fight against Enclosurism and other made up words. ----------- HI IM DUCKMONSTER VOTE DUCKMONSTER IK OF CAOD 07 Leave my goddam sig alone valorem
Hardin Amarr Federation Holding Corp Void Dragon Federation	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:29:00 - [119] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Hardin I, too, believe in fairies... Doesn't matter what you believe in Hardin ... keep on putting up the POS and looking for your reward Oh I shall Jasmine, safe in the knowledge that this is all a bit of fun.... ------------------------------
Masu'di Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:37:00 - [120] Foundati0n probably fall into this category, they do not operate NBSI and have lived in the Great Wildlands for many years. They tend to be out-numbered but have never been fully driven out. They have a number of good FCs who fight in a guerilla warfare style, maintaining a fairly good efficiency against their main enemies -V- . Es and Whizz is recruiting
Calimor Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 18:29:00 - [121] Originally by: JeanPaul Sartre Edited by: JeanPaul Sartre on 11/12/2007 12:29:01 Originally by: Calimor Edited by: Calimor on 11/12/2007 10:40:00 BoB is the empire. > SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too) > Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here) > Dbp is General Grievous > ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom. > Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt. Redswarm Federation are the Rebels. > Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front. > Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously. Appleboy is the trap. > Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins) > Suas is Han Solo. > Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion. > James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels. This post is quite good. My only question is does Suas shoot first or not? Actually I've got another question... surely you can think of a better Princess Bunhead? James315 is such a bit player in all this... Re-cast this role or I'm not buying the DVD. Edit: 3rd question... who the hell is O.B.One? (I vote Avon tbh) Suas shoots first but he's been pursued all accross the galaxy before having to. I can't see a better role for James than Princess Leia. It's all there, the bitter rebel, the "I'm neutral, guys" in the beginning of the story, and I kinda hope that one day James will kill Lady Scarlet by strangling her in her very big pod. Reconsider it.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.11 20:27:00 - [122] Originally by: Hardin Oh I shall Jasmine, safe in the knowledge that this is all a bit of fun.... Hehe, rebel against the drama ;) ----------------------------------------------
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.11 20:52:00 - [123] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine massive wall of text My condolences to your manicurist.
Chest McManbone GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 20:59:00 - [124] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Lets look at Cyno Jammers. Why do they need sovereignty levels to work? The technology is fairly straightforward right? You fire the thing up and no cyno fields can be opened in the system. Its an energy field that makes it impossible to open a cyno beacon system wide. But why does it need Sovereignty to work? And what exactly IS Sovereignty? Sure sure, you'll say sovereignty is having x number of towers in y number of places and eventually Concord register you have Z sovereignty level. So its just a legalistic thing then? An administrative technicality? Because if thats the case then blahblahblahblahblah... Ok this is just bad roleplaying now. Sure it's bad roleplaying in the bad framework for roleplaying CCP gave us but bad roleplaying all the same. It's tantamount me saying, "aha our 'spaceships' accelerate and decelerate based on their mass in 'frictionless space' so that's proof that there's a grand conspiracy to make us think we're in space when in reality EvE is all underwater and we're actually piloting submarines. Nevermind the fact that we're hearing sounds out here when hearing sound in space is impossible and what's up with this camera that pans and zooms around our submarine and how come we can't ram smaller ships and..." It's not the case that sovereignty is purely a legalistic framework that is then affecting infrastructure, you're pulling a*****hoc ergo propter hoc here. What's allowing cyno jammers and other "sovereignty-dependent" structures to work is infrastructure itself, whether that be scientists in the starbases, astronomical readings from the solar system, assorted data, equipment or software or who knows what. It's not because of some clerk in Concord with a pen, that's just a conventional marker for the infrastructure level of the system. And yes someone in Goonfleet actually posted a :psyduck: explanation of how accelerating and decelerating in EvE is occurring. This stuff is properly explicable if you care about RPing (I don't cuz' lololol) but what you just posted was so lazy and actually disruptive to this RPing you say you care about that it's hilarious.
Mr Neutron Browncoats Freelancers	Posted - 2007.12.11 21:40:00 - [125] oh god goon owning sf on caod... And Jas: your post is pretty much off topic. Some good points in it though. Concord sucks, players should play police in eve. And that's what CVA is doing in Providence. They may not be perfect, but who is (+video game). Lag & pos warfare sucks too. And in my humble opinion slavers vs slaves RP is pretty shallow. I like much more the drama between non-rp alliances, it feels much more real. ---- Jayne Cobb> Shiny! Let's be bad guys...
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.11 22:16:00 - [126] Originally by: Mr Neutron oh god goon owning sf on caod... And Jas: your post is pretty much off topic. Some good points in it though. Concord sucks, players should play police in eve. And that's what CVA is doing in Providence. They may not be perfect, but who is (+video game). Lag & pos warfare sucks too. And in my humble opinion slavers vs slaves RP is pretty shallow. I like much more the drama between non-rp alliances, it feels much more real. Hardly. He has an opinion that he's welcome too. I disagree with him and there it is. Nobody invited you as an "umpire" to keep score Mr Neutron. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.11 22:23:00 - [127] Originally by: Chest McManbone Ok this is just bad roleplaying now. Sure it's bad roleplaying in the bad framework for roleplaying CCP gave us but bad roleplaying all the same. It's tantamount to me saying, "aha our 'spaceships' accelerate and decelerate based on their mass in 'frictionless space' so that's proof that there's a grand conspiracy to make us think we're in space when in reality EvE is all underwater and we're actually piloting submarines. Nevermind the fact that we're hearing sounds out here when hearing sound in space is impossible and what's up with this camera that pans and zooms around our submarine and how come we can't ram smaller ships and..." Obviously we'll agree to disagree there. Quote: It's not the case that sovereignty is purely a legalistic framework that is then affecting infrastructure, you're pulling a***hoc ergo propter hoc here. I don't even know what you are accusing me of there ... Quote: What's allowing cyno jammers and other "sovereignty-dependent" structures to work is infrastructure itself, whether that be scientists in the starbases, astronomical readings from the solar system, assorted data, equipment or software or who knows what. Rubbish! You're asking me to "imagine" this huge technological infrastructure that simply doesn't exist. If you had to go haul some extra scientists or mechanical parts for each level of Sovereignty and establish some "sovereignty hubs" in the towers you'd have a point. But as it is you don't. Quote:** It's not because of some clerk in Concord with a pen, that's just a conventional marker for the infrastructure level of the system. At the moment that is exactly what it is. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.11 22:58:00 - [128] Originally by: Chest McManbone Edited by: Chest McManbone on 11/12/2007 21:17:10 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Lets look at Cyno Jammers. Why do they need sovereignty levels to work? The technology is fairly straightforward right? You fire the thing up and no cyno fields can be opened in the system. Its an energy field that makes it impossible to open a cyno beacon system wide. But why does it need Sovereignty to work? And what exactly IS Sovereignty? Sure sure, you'll say sovereignty is having x number of towers in y number of places and eventually Concord register you have Z sovereignty level. So its just a legalistic thing then? An administrative technicality? Because if thats the case then blahblahblahblahblah... Ok this is just bad roleplaying now. Sure it's bad roleplaying in the bad framework for roleplaying CCP gave us but bad roleplaying all the same. It's tantamount to me saying, "aha our 'spaceships' accelerate and decelerate based on their mass in 'frictionless space' so that's proof that there's a grand conspiracy to make us think we're in space when in reality EvE is all underwater and we're actually piloting submarines. Nevermind the fact that we're hearing sounds out here when hearing sound in space is impossible and what's up with this camera that pans and zooms around our submarine and how come we can't ram smaller ships and..." It's not the case that sovereignty is purely a legalistic framework that is then affecting infrastructure, you're pulling a*****hoc ergo propter hoc here. What's allowing cyno jammers and other "sovereignty-dependent" structures to work is infrastructure itself, whether that be scientists in the starbases, astronomical readings from the solar system, assorted data, equipment or software or who knows what. It's not because of some clerk in Concord with a pen, that's just a conventional marker for the infrastructure level of the system. And yes someone in Goonfleet actually posted a :psyduck: explanation of how accelerating and decelerating in EvE is occurring. This stuff is properly explicable if you care about RPing (I don't cuz' lololol) but what you just posted was so lazy and actually disruptive to this RPing you say you care about that it's hilarious. Jasmine's a meta-RPer complaining about meta-mechanics. She REALLY hates competition.
Mr Neutron Browncoats Freelancers	Posted - 2007.12.11 22:58:00 - [129] Edited by: Mr Neutron on 11/12/2007 23:00:40 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Mr Neutron oh god goon owning sf on caod... And Jas: your post is pretty much off topic. Some good points in it though. Concord sucks, players should play police in eve. And that's what CVA is doing in Providence. They may not be perfect, but who is (+video game). Lag & pos warfare sucks too. And in my humble opinion slavers vs slaves RP is pretty shallow. I like much more the drama between non-rp alliances, it feels much more real. Hardly. He has an opinion that he's welcome too. I disagree with him and there it is. Nobody invited you as an "umpire" to keep score Mr Neutron. Apologies if anyone got offended, first line was my attempt at goons style humour (which I like). I also would like to add that I agree with Jasmine to about 50% of her post but also agree to 100% with Mr McManbone on his post. Jasmine: I'm petitioning you for notorious thread hijacking using posts consisting of suspicious logical constructs. ---- Jayne Cobb> Shiny! Let's be bad guys...
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.11 23:03:00 - [130] Originally by: Mr Neutron Jasmine: I'm petitioning you for notorious thread hijacking using posts consisting of suspicious logical constructs. Read: "Pseudo-psychobabble laced with salad picked jargon with a side of ego". The old saying goes, if you can't blind'em with brilliance, baffle'em with bull****.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 23:05:00 - [131] Originally by: Calimor BoB is the empire. > SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too) > Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here) > Dbp is General Grievous > ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom. > Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt. > Fire 59 is Jar Jar Binks. Redswarm Federation are the Rebels. > Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front. > Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously. Appleboy is the trap. > Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins) > Suas is Han Solo. He shoots first. > Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion. > James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels. screw starwars im tzeentch baby~~~~ get some 40k analogies up in dis
Hilly22222 Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2007.12.11 23:19:00 - [132] Edited by: Hilly22222 on 11/12/2007 23:20:48 molle is the emporer BoB are the space marines fix and other pets are the imperial guard (cannon fodder) goons are Orks...mindless hordes screaming, yabbering brutes TCF are...meh...the Tau....it fits... RA are....Necrons....driven back to one system and still recover...undead tbqfh and...0ubreak...are...the fallen angels...meh furthermore Quote: Azzloran > ever heard of a drake? you wont like them when they decloak on you"
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.11 23:20:00 - [133] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Calimor BoB is the empire. > SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too) > Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here) > Dbp is General Grievous > ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom. > Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt. > Fire 59 is Jar Jar Binks. Redswarm Federation are the Rebels. > Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front. > Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously. Appleboy is the trap. > Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins) > Suas is Han Solo. He shoots first. > Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion. > James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels. screw starwars im tzeentch baby~~~~ get some 40k analogies up in dis BoB as the Terran Empire. Sir Molle as the human Emperor consuming pets to secure his immortality. FIX would be the Adeptus Mechanus. MC would be the Adeptus Astartes.
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2007.12.11 23:49:00 - [134] Originally by: Mr Neutron Apologies if anyone got offended, first line was my attempt at goons style humour (which I like). Think that is the first time I have heard anyone apologise or show concern for other feeling in ages in the COAD . Makes me want to cry in joy. Been so long. Ultimately EvE is a game and the BoB vs Goons war seem to have gotten very bitter and dragged many people into it. I am sure many are looking for a third way to enjoy this game as a community. Goons - Real Goons - Goons Titans
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.11 23:51:00 - [135] Originally by: Mr Neutron Jasmine: I'm petitioning you for notorious thread hijacking using posts consisting of suspicious logical constructs. Hijacking posts? On CAOD? With suspicious logical constructs? I guess I was a little bit off topic for the forum by actually answering the question though. My bad :) War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.12 00:08:00 - [136] Damn, JC and mittens in the same thread should be enough to trigger a matter anti-matter reaction.
Chest McManbone GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.12 01:14:00 - [137] Edited by: Chest McManbone on 12/12/2007 01:15:35 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Rubbish! You're asking me to "imagine" this huge technological infrastructure that simply doesn't exist. If you had to go haul some extra scientists or mechanical parts for each level of Sovereignty and establish some "sovereignty hubs" in the towers you'd have a point. But as it is you don't. Sometimes I imagine that if Chest McManbone were a real dude he would blink or open his mouth but armed with the pragmatic role-playing of Jade Constantine I now realize he's just a pair of shoulders and a head that stares quizzically to his left FOR ETERNITY. P.S. you do bring in mechanical parts in addition to lots of other crap but hey CCP should get on that scientist thing that'd be boss. REGARDLESS LET'S HAVE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT IN-GAME TECH AND LORE(ugh), We'll have an imaginary conversation with some NPC dude within the EvE universe who wears a labcoat and knows how control towers work. We'll imagine two responses and only one will make the slightest bit of sense. Q: What's going on with sovereignty levels? Response 1: Well it's complex you see. There's constant data acquisition being performed on solar dust and radiation levels and what have you. Eventually we know enough to configure and set up constant cyno jammers without causing something horrible to happen when we bombard the entire solar system with a singal super-powered generator that has enough energy to melt your face from 5 AU. Also we can set up jump bridges and constantly running cyno generators that will be able to warp some of your dudes in without dumping them in black holes or making your ships arrive looking like Jeff Goldblum at the end of The Fly. We're not like you pod-pilot jerks who act like Navigators from Dune or something and can pop short-duration cynos and jump on a whim, I hate you guys for being so rich you have no idea. Response 2: Every control tower built from every faction has somehow been embedded with software from CONCORD that lets it be monitored and controlled from Yulai. Yes, even the pirate ones that CONCORD is at war with. After a couple weeks they press a button in the home offices and it does more stuff. Oh and CONCORD also controls all your guns to make them useless when you attack Sov level 4 capital structures, never mind if you built your guns. We all know this and play by these rules voluntarily. Especially Goonswarm. Also did you know that in Ultima Online your character's eyes weren't actually in your head but 75 feet above you and to the south east? That was crazy. (Hint: It's the first one. The first one makes a little bit of sense. Not the second one.)
Two Beans GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:39:00 - [138] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Calimor BoB is the empire. > SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too) > Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here) > Dbp is General Grievous > ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom. > Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt. > Fire 59 is Jar Jar Binks. Redswarm Federation are the Rebels. > Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front. > Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously. Appleboy is the trap. > Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins) > Suas is Han Solo. He shoots first. > Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion. > James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels. screw starwars im tzeentch baby~~~~ get some 40k analogies up in dis BoB as the Terran Empire. Sir Molle as the human Emperor consuming pets to secure his immortality. FIX would be the Adeptus Mechanus. MC would be the Adeptus Astartes. Hells yeah, BoB is the False Imperium of Man. If Mittani is a Lord of Change, I'm calling dibs on Ahriman. _____________ His Royal Highness King Two Beans King of CAOD
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.12 03:27:00 - [139] Originally by: Chest McManbone Q: What's going on with sovereignty levels? Response 1: Well it's complex you see. There's constant data acquisition being performed on solar dust and radiation levels and what have you. Eventually we know enough to configure and set up constant cyno jammers without causing something horrible to happen when we bombard the entire solar system with a singal super-powered generator that has enough energy to melt your face from 5 AU. Also we can set up jump bridges and constantly running cyno generators that will be able to warp some of your dudes in without dumping them in black holes or making your ships arrive looking like Jeff Goldblum at the end of The Fly. We're not like you pod-pilot jerks who act like Navigators from Dune or something and can pop short-duration cynos and jump on a whim, I hate you guys for being so rich you have no idea. Response 2: Every control tower built from every faction has somehow been embedded with software from CONCORD that lets it be monitored and controlled from Yulai. Yes, even the pirate ones that CONCORD is at war with. After a couple weeks they press a button in the home offices and it does more stuff. Oh and CONCORD also controls all your guns to make them useless when you attack Sov level 4 capital structures, never mind if you built your guns. We all know this and play by these rules voluntarily. Especially Goonswarm. Also did you know that in Ultima Online your character's eyes weren't actually in your head but 75 feet above you and to the south east? That was crazy. (Hint: It's the first one. The first one makes a little bit of sense. Not the second one.) Nope its the second one really. The first one is just completely cheesy. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Two Beans GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.12 04:01:00 - [140] A wizard did it. _____________ His Royal Highness King Two Beans King of CAOD
Teldi Beinew GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.12 04:16:00 - [141] Originally by: Two Beans A wizard did it.
Shirokko Papshimar Gallente SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.12 04:33:00 - [142] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Calimor BoB is the empire. > SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too) > Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here) > Dbp is General Grievous > ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom. > Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt. > Fire 59 is Jar Jar Binks. Redswarm Federation are the Rebels. > Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front. > Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously. Appleboy is the trap. > Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins) > Suas is Han Solo. He shoots first. > Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion. > James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels. screw starwars im tzeentch baby~~~~ get some 40k analogies up in dis /me runs over The Mittani with his Predator tank .. chaos scum will be cleansed with fire
Desiderata Fabian GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.12 08:30:00 - [143] Sovereignty exists, to operate as a logical mechanic for a computer game to deal with the abstract concept of capturing and gaining control over a simulated solar system. Sovereignty operates in the way it does because an Icelandic programmer made it that way.
Xiamin Dia	Posted - 2007.12.12 09:58:00 - [144] let me ask "the force", and i'll get right back to you... Hold on....
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.12 10:07:00 - [145] Originally by: Chest McManbone Edited by: Chest McManbone on 12/12/2007 01:15:35 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Rubbish! You're asking me to "imagine" this huge technological infrastructure that simply doesn't exist. If you had to go haul some extra scientists or mechanical parts for each level of Sovereignty and establish some "sovereignty hubs" in the towers you'd have a point. But as it is you don't. Sometimes I imagine that if Chest McManbone were a real dude he would blink or open his mouth but armed with the pragmatic role-playing of Jade Constantine I now realize he's just a pair of shoulders and a head that stares quizzically to his left FOR ETERNITY. P.S. you do bring in mechanical parts in addition to lots of other crap but hey CCP should get on that scientist thing that'd be boss. REGARDLESS LET'S HAVE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT IN-GAME TECH AND LORE(ugh), We'll have an imaginary conversation with some NPC dude within the EvE universe who wears a labcoat and knows how control towers work. We'll imagine two responses and only one will make the slightest bit of sense. Q: What's going on with sovereignty levels? Response 1: Well it's complex you see. There's constant data acquisition being performed on solar dust and radiation levels and what have you. Eventually we know enough to configure and set up constant cyno jammers without causing something horrible to happen when we bombard the entire solar system with a singal super-powered generator that has enough energy to melt your face from 5 AU. Also we can set up jump bridges and constantly running cyno generators that will be able to warp some of your dudes in without dumping them in black holes or making your ships arrive looking like Jeff Goldblum at the end of The Fly. We're not like you pod-pilot jerks who act like Navigators from Dune or something and can pop short-duration cynos and jump on a whim, I hate you guys for being so rich you have no idea. Response 2: Every control tower built from every faction has somehow been embedded with software from CONCORD that lets it be monitored and controlled from Yulai. Yes, even the pirate ones that CONCORD is at war with. After a couple weeks they press a button in the home offices and it does more stuff. Oh and CONCORD also controls all your guns to make them useless when you attack Sov level 4 capital structures, never mind if you built your guns. We all know this and play by these rules voluntarily. Especially Goonswarm. Also did you know that in Ultima Online your character's eyes weren't actually in your head but 75 feet above you and to the south east? That was crazy. (Hint: It's the first one. The first one makes a little bit of sense. Not the second one.) james joyce, is that you ps I loved this post ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul

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