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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:31:00 -
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It strikes me verry odd that the Ishtar is able to deliver 4-500 dps from 20-50k going 4k m/s (and thats with TII equippement, no pirate implants but 3% hardwires). Just to compare to the Vaga (which i allready find completely overpowered;): Vaga does 360 dps at +- 2k (optimal) + 20-23k fallof but has to considerabely slow down to deal that (never achievable at 20k fallof) 360 dps. On the otehr side the Ishtar can keep up his speed as long as cap charges last and deal at least 467 dps (max drone skills/gallente drone spec 4) and negate all turret and almost all missile damage at the same time.. So how in the right mind is this ship balanced? Its not its completely overpowered. Its really in need to get 2 rigslots removed (or not able to fit polycarbons) or get a penalty for using overdrives, nanofibers etc..
And dont tell me to shoot the drones. Im aware thatyou can shoot those. but not if you face a pack of ishtars. Still a pack of vagas you can scare off using ecm or whatever. aint gonna happen with ishtars as soon as teh drones have tehyre lock on you you gonna be dead meat:)
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Agent2 Holtze
Amarr x13
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:32:00 -
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Posting and you!
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NoNah
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:38:00 -
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How about.. smartbombs?
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Perry
Amarr The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:41:00 -
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Fly one yourself. Or a Vaga. Or Huggin.
Or Apoc with 8x Large Smartbombs. Thats my favorite anti Ishtar tactic. Zero dps is easy to tank. Bring a friend in an Huggin and finish him off. Solo is so 2005
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ZelRox
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:43:00 -
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Lock ogre, web ogre, kill ogre. 20% dps gone. Rinse and repeat.
The problem is that most people, including yourself looks like, are trying to kill the ishtar first. ----------------------
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:44:00 -
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shooting heavy drones is criminally easy, do it
if you're worried about small gangs of 4-6, have your gang fit gal/min ecm
attack their cap
there is no perfect solution, at worst don't give them ganks ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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Ione Hunt
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:46:00 -
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OMFG stop it already!!!
If a Nanotar goes that fast out of web range there is NO WAY he can scoop his drones if they receive damage. You can reduce his damage in seconds (faster with ACs ) and thus turn the Ishtar in a ship doing frig damage after only a few seconds.
I call that a fair tradeoff.
Seriously ppl, start thinking about tactics as well...not only about slot layouts and stats. _______________
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Zemeckis R
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:48:00 -
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/signed
nerf everyship so that they cannot run more then 100m/s with an mwd fitted we got "warp to zero", why do we need speed? speed only ruin fights and remove all weapons and damage types but 1
OR
nerf all ships but the op's one
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Susan Acid
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Posted - 2007.12.11 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: d026
And dont tell me to shoot the drones. Im aware thatyou can shoot those. but not if you face a pack of ishtars. Still a pack of vagas you can scare off using ecm or whatever. aint gonna happen with ishtars as soon as teh drones have tehyre lock on you you gonna be dead meat:)
If people are telling you to shoot the Drones and you choose to ignore them that's your problem.If you lack tactical knowledge and stupidly engage a 'pack' of Ishtars that too is your problem.
CCP are not here to wet nurse whiners like yourself who get 'sploded and come to the forums to whine about the ship/ships that killed them.
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Djerin
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.11 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: d026 And dont tell me to shoot the drones. Im aware thatyou can shoot those. but not if you face a pack of ishtars.
How is that an argument to nerf the Ishtar? You'll even lose against a pack of Rifters... ---- Sarmaul's crosstrainorgtfo |
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Grytok
moon7empler Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.12.11 12:15:00 -
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Nerf d026.
He's posting too much. Honestly. .
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 12:27:00 -
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Shoot the drones. He won't be able to scoop heavies in time, nor, for that matter, will he be able to scoop most drones if they're webbed.
And if you're facing a gang alone, well, you're probably screwed anyways.
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2007.12.11 12:31:00 -
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you know i tried this last time i saw one when i was in my harbinger....
i got a new harbinger now though so it's alright
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Xzar Fyrarr
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Posted - 2007.12.11 13:09:00 -
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Nerf the people who want stuff nerfed.
Get 3 huginns and/or train for an ishtar and/or a vagabond yourself if the ships are so OMGWTFHAXMOBILEMUSTNERFNAO.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2007.12.11 13:33:00 -
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i fly nano ships alot, esp vaga, ishtar, huginn and intys.
Out of all of them the ishtar is BY FAR the hardest to be effective with. Any ship you target will be able to shoot your drones (and a few get killed just approching usually), also any ship with a mwd can escape the drones. The ishtars speed isnt good enough to get out of close calls like the vaga with its extra speed, lower mass and better handling. Dieing in a nano ishtar is EASY to do, and very expensive.
Yes yes, when a gang of nano ishtars and a few heavy tacklers tackler get oyu, your doomed. But tbh a gang of whatever pinning you down would do the same, imagine a few crows/huginns/megas/geddons on your ass.....
nano ishtars in my opinion are the hardest to fly well and stay alive in, and do not need a nerf bat thwack.
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2007.12.11 13:33:00 -
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I vote for lock thread !
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Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.11 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa I vote for lock thread !
/signed Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR! |
mallina
Caldari Core Contingency
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Posted - 2007.12.11 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gawain Hill you know i tried this last time i saw one when i was in my harbinger....
i got a new harbinger now though so it's alright
Harbinger should have no problem whatsoever fending off an Ishtar unless you're using Beams or T1 Pulse. Maybe before the damp nerf... ---
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Lucky 8
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.12.11 13:54:00 -
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Roadkill lol.
(If you insist on posting threads like this at least uncheck your alliance and corp ticker first). --
Originally by: Nicho Void This thread is like a chum slick for forum alt trolls.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:12:00 -
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Lock bait ftw!
Rifters!
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Jeetah
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:17:00 -
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I <3 d026
I so totally see your point mate, I myself couldn't have said it better. |
Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Grytok Nerf d026.
He's posting too much. Honestly.
It's not the quantity that sucks, it's the quality.
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bellass
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:28:00 -
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still think that the point he is trying to make in this an other missile post is that both systems are:
(1) fire weapons and forget. this allows pilot to concentrate on other things. (2) both systems do high dmg independent of ships velocity. unlike turrets that always need to watch not only the target (range and heading) to maintain dmg , but their own ship to minimize dmg. drone pilots have more to do than missiles to babysit there drones though.
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 11/12/2007 17:05:45 Dude, are you copy pasting this ****, cause i could've sworn i saw pretty much exactly the same wording in the nerf the "nano cerberus" thread...
furthermore, welcome to eve online, where you can cross train to other ships if you don't enjoy the ones you currently fly.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 11/12/2007 17:05:45 Dude, are you copy pasting this ****, cause i could've sworn i saw pretty much exactly the same wording in the nerf the "nano cerberus" thread...
furthermore, welcome to eve online, where you can cross train to other ships if you don't enjoy the ones you currently fly.
Same author, same spam. It's the caldari way ;)
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Phil Miller
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:07:00 -
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All you nay-sayers are afraid, because he speaks the truth. ___________________________________
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:12:00 -
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oh yes, that's obviously why.
or maybe he's a caldari, that whines about his own racial ships and gallente ships with nano oriented fittings, and ironically enough fly's minmatar
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Stokerpoons
Gallente Funda
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Grytok Nerf d026.
He's posting too much. Honestly.
signed
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Zanarkand
Gallente Enterprise Estonia
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:27:00 -
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If the target flies more than ~1000m/s and you won't be hitted by ogre IIs.
Killing drones is very very easy and expensive for the ishtar pilot.
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Riho
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: d026 It strikes me verry odd that the Ishtar is able to deliver 4-500 dps from 20-50k going 4k m/s (and thats with TII equippement, no pirate implants but 3% hardwires). Just to compare to the Vaga (which i allready find completely overpowered;): Vaga does 360 dps at +- 2k (optimal) + 20-23k fallof but has to considerabely slow down to deal that (never achievable at 20k fallof) 360 dps. On the otehr side the Ishtar can keep up his speed as long as cap charges last and deal at least 467 dps (max drone skills/gallente drone spec 4) and negate all turret and almost all missile damage at the same time.. So how in the right mind is this ship balanced? Its not its completely overpowered. Its really in need to get 2 rigslots removed (or not able to fit polycarbons) or get a penalty for using overdrives, nanofibers etc..
And dont tell me to shoot the drones. Im aware thatyou can shoot those. but not if you face a pack of ishtars. Still a pack of vagas you can scare off using ecm or whatever. aint gonna happen with ishtars as soon as teh drones have tehyre lock on you you gonna be dead meat:)
if i get it right.. you want the ship nerfed... because you cant wtfown 4+ at the same time solo ?
mybe try a gang of yourself and get your m8s in huginns/rapiers (curse works aswell if you know what ur doing) ---------------------------------- Seems that there's a new game that seems to be very popular whit whiners these days. Its called EFT Online.
dont listen those people.. as they dont have a clue |
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