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d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:27:00 - [1] It strikes me verry odd that the Cerb is able to deliver 350 dps from 100k going 3k m/s (and thats with TII equippement, no pirate implants but 3% hardwires). Just to compare to the Vaga (which i allready find completely overpowered;): Vaga does 360 dps at +- 2k (optimal) + 20-23k fallof but has to considerabely slow down to deal that (never achievable at 20k fallof) 360 dps. On the otehr side the Cerb can keep up his speed as long as cap charges last and deal at least 350 dps and negate all turret and almost all missile damage at the same time not to mention it can keep out of blaster range without any problem (110k missile range). So how in the right mind is this ship balanced? Its not its completely overpowered. Its really in need to get 2 rigslots removed (or not able to fit polycarbons) or get a penalty for using overdrives, nanofibers etc.. And dont tell me to shoot the drones. Its has NONE!
Dober	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:31:00 - [2] Originally by: d026 It strikes me verry odd that the Cerb is able to deliver 350 dps from 100k going 3k m/s (and thats with TII equippement, no pirate implants but 3% hardwires). Just to compare to the Vaga (which i allready find completely overpowered;): Vaga does 360 dps at +- 2k (optimal) + 20-23k fallof but has to considerabely slow down to deal that (never achievable at 20k fallof) 360 dps. On the otehr side the Cerb can keep up his speed as long as cap charges last and deal at least 350 dps and negate all turret and almost all missile damage at the same time not to mention it can keep out of blaster range without any problem (110k missile range). So how in the right mind is this ship balanced? Its not its completely overpowered. Its really in need to get 2 rigslots removed (or not able to fit polycarbons) or get a penalty for using overdrives, nanofibers etc.. And dont tell me to shoot the drones. Its has NONE! r you for real?
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa The Perfect Harvesting Experience	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:33:00 - [3] I vote for lock thread. ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:35:00 - [4] its not actually ironic if you're not earnest D ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:36:00 - [5] ??? Threadlock ftw Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
Lagerstars Caldari Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:39:00 - [6] Can we just remove the market all together and all stick to the standard issue starter ship - of course this would need to be changed to only 1 ship and not 4 otherwise someone might have an unfair advantage Heaven forbid someone might have something someone else cant have - oh but wait, you can - just skill train for it!!!!! Shut the ** up with the nerf bull** already!!! ----------------------------------------- - This space intentionally left blank -
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:42:00 - [7] I think you're misjudging DPS and achievable speed with the cerb. I think I don't see very many nanocerbs at all, and actually, I don't see many cerbs at all. The advantage of the cerb is throwing missiles long distances. This advantage is IMO nearly worthless in most of PvPing. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? GMP and TNP
Mavil	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:43:00 - [8] He's just a troll. He has a next to identical thread on this forum concerning the "nano Ishtar". Lock?
Jeetah	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:45:00 - [9] I wholeheartedly agree with the OP. I was just gonna propose the same, but we need to get amarr ships nerfed first.
NateX THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:47:00 - [10] lol

Grytok moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:49:00 - [11] When we'll see a nerf "nano-Zealot", "nano-Sacrilege", "nano-Deimos", "nano-Eagle", "nano-Muninn" Thread? Allready working on that? It seems that you're flying your beloved Raven the whole day and try to force everyone into a playing-style, so that you don't have to adapt, while killing them all. Right? . My postings in these forums do not necessarily represent my corp or alliance.
ExcellciuM Exair Industries	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:54:00 - [12] I completly Agree, The first couse of action will be to remove amarr from the game (delete the relative skill points). Secondly Minmatar ships are just annoying you never know wheather to shield tank or armour tank and its so confusing. I say they are second to go from the game. We all know of the power of gallente and their DPS ***** ships and since the only races left will be gallente and caldari it would be serious nerfing time. Delete them. Finally we have achieved Caldari Online: Mission Pack 6. But theres a problem some people have used their brains and created a viable setup to run missions faster than others I suggest we remove all ships but the drake and the ibis and all weapons and other mods except Heavy Missiles and passive shield mods. This of course would be unfair to those in ibis so remove skills and make the market free to help them from the get go. Then and only then will all be fair.
Katanaha Gallente Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:57:00 - [13] Originally by: d026 rabble rabble you sir, need to stop posting. srsly _______________________ Please CCP pimp my sig! orly?!
Cautet North Siders	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:06:00 - [14] - please post setup - 3km/s is not fast - vaga does over 3* this speed and ishtar over 2* - if he is 100km+ out he isn't scramming you, you aren't scramming him, his missiles take ages to reach you, and why does it matter his speed at that range anyway? I'm guessing this fit is a heavy missile fit by the range values you are providing - although not sure by the damage value - and I can only say that in my view the cerb performs its role better with other launchers - and has alot less dps (200 less dps) in it's best role. A sniper bs or cruise raven, or a stealth bomber is better than the cerb at long range sniping or long range missile spamming. Alot of posts about the other hac's especially the Vaga, yet the nano ishtar seems to be the most common (and lethal) nano hac, and the nano rapier or hugin the most common nano recons.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:12:00 - [15] Lock thread ftw! Clicky clicky! Rifters!
Sebastian Thor	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:13:00 - [16] When are they gonna nerf the nano Rifter? You can put like ... three nano's in that thing! It can align so fast! And it has no drones, either!
In Virtue	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:13:00 - [17] he made all the other "nano" nerf posts aswell. hush kk ty
E Vile Fifth Exiled Legion SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:32:00 - [18] How exactly does a cerb do 350dps and fly over 3k with only T2 and no inplants? Am I missing something?
Jeetah	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:43:00 - [19] Originally by: In Virtue he made all the other "nano" nerf posts aswell. hush kk ty And yet, the guy is spot on. All you see around these forums is "boost this, nerf that". Ppl reading these might have the false impression that certain ships/races are indeed weak, just because there are so many ppl whining about them. Remember, 1 billion flies are eating sh!t every day, but it doesn't mean you have to do the same, or that they are right. I remember a year ago gallente players were whing about the myrm, which was in fact the strongest ship among tier2 bc's (some might argue this, but still, devs decided to nerf the nos first, and introduce bandwidth later, thus decreasing its effective drone bay, and I'm inclined to believe there must have been a reason for these changes). Crying about something doesn't make your point valid. However, by creating such threads as this, the virtual balance is restored, and in my point of view, in-game things are already balanced.
HowlinMad Murdock Caldari No Trademark	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:08:00 - [20] it strikes me very odd that people feel the need to come and whine right after they've been killed by a ship, saying just because they couldn't kill it they should nerf it. and if you haven't noticed anything that is 100k away is NOT GOING TO SCRAMBLE YOU, so if you can't figure out how to get away from 100k away ships you need to find something else to do

Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:10:00 - [21] nerf nano cormorant. --- planetary interaction idea!
Odium47	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:58:00 - [22] I am wondering, how many people of those who whine daily about nerfing a ship are from USA ??? I am really curious about this... And another thing, why they are asking for nerfing a ship instead of asking to boost the ship they are usually flying ?!
Susan Acid	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:01:00 - [23] Originally by: d026 And dont tell me to shoot the drones. Its has NONE! Its has missiles you can shoot instead.
Slappy Happy	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:08:00 - [24] Nerf the OP. Seriously.
Dromidas Shadowmoon Minmatar Uraniumcore	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:14:00 - [25] Hello? Defender missiles pwn the cerb!!!
bellass	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:16:00 - [26] the basic point of the op is still valid and one that caldari/missle ships always try to blow away with off-topic arguments. point being that a missile ship can move as fast as it wants with no damage penalty on target. range is not an issue for missile flight time in the normal battle range of 30-40 km, well out side close optimal dmg range of short turrets. turrets need to work there guns and consider both their own and targets movement to get partial dmg. missile boats are fire, forget and then just focus on flying ship to stay out of harms way at great range.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:18:00 - [27] Nerf the nano-Bellicose first, it can fit one more polycarbon rig! Rifters!
Dromidas Shadowmoon Minmatar Uraniumcore	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:18:00 - [28] Cerb isn't gonna keep you warp scrammed at 110k, you can get the hell out of there, its hardly overpowered. :P
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:18:00 - [29] Originally by: Odium47 I am wondering, how many people of those who whine daily about nerfing a ship are from USA ??? I am really curious about this... And another thing, why they are asking for nerfing a ship instead of asking to boost the ship they are usually flying ?! I want a boost to my Drake. I'm thinking a 1 mod complete invincibility and 9000% extra damage. That outta overcome my ******ation at PvP :P
Dark Splash	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:19:00 - [30] nerf shuttles, nerf Pods, nerf miners, nerf EVE, nerf, nerf, nerf, nerf... nothing better to do? quit your account?! can i have your stuff?



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