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toto moor Eve Corporate Enterprise	Posted - 2007.12.15 11:39:00 - [1] Edited by: toto moor on 15/12/2007 11:40:24 Has the nerfs changed supercaps so much that they are no longer the decisive ships on the battlefield? yesterday despite a large number of motherships and titans goons killed more caps than BOB in 5-N and broke BoBs soveriegnty in the system, Goon allies (Razor and PL) took down a large number of BOBs logistics and mining POS's throughout Delve with a small battleship gang despite BOB having 5 motherships and a titan to defend. If the nerf has reduced Super caps so much how will this affect BOB whose current strategy seems to rely on overwhelming super cap fleets? Also is this the reason that Mothership prices are tumbling downwards?
Drakine MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:02:00 - [2] MS prices changed because of two reasons, 1 is the nerf & the other is Sov 4. Titans & Motherships have been nerfed far too much. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
1v1 Cake Factory	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:02:00 - [3] Now THIS is a thread! --------------------------------------------------- Cake Factory: Bulk discounted T2, BS BPC's.
Scavok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:15:00 - [4] Yeah titans have been nerfed too much wipes out hostile fleet with push of button, clears their pods with a second, and 2 more on standby just for lols
Daphnee	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:15:00 - [5] Originally by: toto moor Edited by: toto moor on 15/12/2007 11:40:24 Has the nerfs changed supercaps so much that they are no longer the decisive ships on the battlefield? yesterday despite a large number of motherships and titans goons killed more caps than BOB in 5-N and broke BoBs soveriegnty in the system, Goon allies (Razor and PL) took down a large number of BOBs logistics and mining POS's throughout Delve with a small battleship gang despite BOB having 5 motherships and a titan to defend. If the nerf has reduced Super caps so much how will this affect BOB whose current strategy seems to rely on overwhelming super cap fleets? Also is this the reason that Mothership prices are tumbling downwards? get a life
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:16:00 - [6] Subcapital pilots can actually play a part in the fighting now this is terrible CCP I am cancelling my account
coeathal vega Gallente Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Scavok Yeah titans have been nerfed too much wipes out hostile fleet with push of button, clears their pods with a second, and 2 more on standby just for lols are you referring to anything in particular? :) ----
Maksiim Doom and Gloom	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:22:00 - [8] Originally by: toto moor Edited by: toto moor on 15/12/2007 11:40:24 Has the nerfs changed supercaps so much that they are no longer the decisive ships on the battlefield? Lag is bad for capitals mkay, reports of goons and pals with 320 man gangs and you suggest throwing Motherships into the fray Originally by: toto moor goons killed more caps than BOB in 5-N and broke BoBs soveriegnty in the system Three for three by looks of it, not to mention the three large towers BoB apparently killed in 5-N. Originally by: toto moor Goon allies (Razor and PL) took down a large number of BOBs logistics and mining POS's throughout Delve with a small battleship gang There are 41 BS and a Dread on the mail of the BoB carrier that died. Originally by: toto moor If the nerf has reduced Super caps so much how will this affect BOB whose current strategy seems to rely on overwhelming super cap fleets? Also is this the reason that Mothership prices are tumbling downwards? No, just clearing all that up for you champ. FanFest is for...
Potty Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:29:00 - [9] I can tell you that the Dread was brought in just for the carrier. But yeh what ever, we superblobed Delve......
Knocturnal omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:33:00 - [10] Originally by: Scavok Yeah titans have been nerfed too much wipes out hostile fleet with push of button, clears their pods with a second, and 2 more on standby just for lols If you`re such a pro pls tell meh whats the role of a titan in this game... Originally by: CCP Every ship has a specific role in this game No defensive role against HIC's things are to lagy for support to help .. Jump bridge can be done via by towes aswell.. So what should be done with a titan those days... Yeah game is all about blob or get blobbed :( F*ck Derek we got Xlop.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Knocturnal Yeah game is all about blob or get blobbed :( :( - Gob IXC Recruitment
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.12.15 13:06:00 - [12] Edited by: Shirei on 15/12/2007 13:06:19 Originally by: Knocturnal No defensive role against HIC's things are to lagy for support to help .. Jump bridge can be done via by towes aswell.. So what should be done with a titan those days... Jump bridges are kinda bugged atm, so you still need a Titan.
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.15 13:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Maksiim Originally by: toto moor Goon allies (Razor and PL) took down a large number of BOBs logistics and mining POS's throughout Delve with a small battleship gang There are 41 BS and a Dread on the mail of the BoB carrier that died. PL met up with that razor gang about 30mins before killing that carrier. We spent the previous couple of hours killing the other, then reinforced a large, with 20 BSs. HOWEVER it takes aaagggesss. Thats where capitals shine. They can do the same as normal ships, but quicker and easier. Supercaps are still powerful tools if used correctly.
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.12.15 13:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Knocturnal Originally by: Scavok Yeah titans have been nerfed too much wipes out hostile fleet with push of button, clears their pods with a second, and 2 more on standby just for lols If you`re such a pro pls tell meh whats the role of a titan in this game... Originally by: CCP Every ship has a specific role in this game No defensive role against HIC's things are to lagy for support to help .. Jump bridge can be done via by towes aswell.. So what should be done with a titan those days... Yeah game is all about blob or get blobbed :( Yup pretty much.
torN Deception GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.15 13:33:00 - [15] Edited by: torN Deception on 15/12/2007 13:32:53 Originally by: Knocturnal No defensive role against HIC's things are to lagy for support to help .. Jump bridge can be done via by towes aswell.. So what should be done with a titan those days... Yeah game is all about blob or get blobbed :( This is stupid. Titans can still wipe out an enemy fleet with the push of a button. They're just no longer able to do so while remaining completely unkillable. Being able to jumpbridge around fleets without waiting months to put up a jumpbridge POS is huge. You'll notice that despite the constant whining from BoB about how titans are now useless they continue to build them and bring them on ops.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.15 13:48:00 - [16] Originally by: toto moor Edited by: toto moor on 15/12/2007 11:40:24 Has the nerfs changed supercaps so much that they are no longer the decisive ships on the battlefield? yesterday despite a large number of motherships and titans goons killed more caps than BOB in 5-N and broke BoBs soveriegnty in the system, Goon allies (Razor and PL) took down a large number of BOBs logistics and mining POS's throughout Delve with a small battleship gang despite BOB having 5 motherships and a titan to defend. If the nerf has reduced Super caps so much how will this affect BOB whose current strategy seems to rely on overwhelming super cap fleets? Also is this the reason that Mothership prices are tumbling downwards? Motherships are no longer in the hands of single lowsec pirates, but smart corps like 0utbreak and of course big Alliances (which won't use them in normal fleet battles anymore). Titans are around more than ever, used for jumping freighters around. Expect BoB etc. to use them in battle again when they can field half a dozen or more together. "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
toto moor Eve Corporate Enterprise	Posted - 2007.12.15 13:50:00 - [17] Edited by: toto moor on 15/12/2007 13:51:50 Originally by: Maksiim Originally by: toto moor Edited by: toto moor on 15/12/2007 11:40:24 Has the nerfs changed supercaps so much that they are no longer the decisive ships on the battlefield? Lag is bad for capitals mkay, reports of goons and pals with 320 man gangs and you suggest throwing Motherships into the fray Originally by: toto moor goons killed more caps than BOB in 5-N and broke BoBs soveriegnty in the system Three for three by looks of it, not to mention the three large towers BoB apparently killed in 5-N. Originally by: toto moor Goon allies (Razor and PL) took down a large number of BOBs logistics and mining POS's throughout Delve with a small battleship gang There are 41 BS and a Dread on the mail of the BoB carrier that died. Originally by: toto moor If the nerf has reduced Super caps so much how will this affect BOB whose current strategy seems to rely on overwhelming super cap fleets? Also is this the reason that Mothership prices are tumbling downwards? No, just clearing all that up for you champ. Can you clear it up a bit more clearly :) as you seemed to have mised the salient points But despite having 4 Titans and multiple motherships in system they still lost an equal number of cap ships, and soveriegnty Where before the patch fielding that many super caps would have guarenteed the opposing force didnt even try... And that doesnt explain how 5 Motherships, 4 carriers and a Titan can fail to save a POS from around 20 battleships, again before the patch no-one in thier right mind would attempt to take down a POS with that number of super caps in attendance. (that said I have always doubted the sanity of Pandemic Legion, they seem to do the most insane things and pull it off, remember the smart bombing Scorp )
Xeno Metamorph Gallente Domination.	Posted - 2007.12.15 14:04:00 - [18] Originally by: toto moor 5-N and broke BoBs soveriegnty in the system, Eh, why are the latest sov maps showing as BoB taking system sovereignty in 5-N? Confused
toto moor Eve Corporate Enterprise	Posted - 2007.12.15 14:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Xeno Metamorph Originally by: toto moor 5-N and broke BoBs soveriegnty in the system, Eh, why are the latest sov maps showing as BoB taking system sovereignty in 5-N? Confused sorry misread another post- they have soveriegnty but lost Soveriegnty level 3 have edited my post to reflect this.
Shadoo North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.15 14:23:00 - [20] BoB used their supercaps yesterday quite effectively. We had a gang of about 30 (15-20 BS?) conventional ships fitted for anti-pos vs 5 motherships, 1 titan and few carriers... it speaks volumes no BoB caps died in that engagement and unless the friendly Razor gang hadn't joined us -- it is possible the motherships might have managed to rep the small POS (was pretty close on 15-20BS 40km dps vs that many cap remote reppers). Titan was used to pull all the caps out of the field successfully when the friendly gang got close. Had this been vs. 7-9 Carriers, with no supercaps on field -- the story would have ended in more than just a small mining tower loss for BoB... Small entities/soloers suffered most from the supercap "nerf", but they still work quite well when used by a larger entity such as BoB. Considering their intended and described purpose -- I think they're OK as is.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.12.15 15:09:00 - [21] arent dreads still with the ROF bug? /me ponders the ban list from a capship engagement SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.15 17:49:00 - [22] Originally by: SamuraiJack arent dreads still with the ROF bug? /me ponders the ban list from a capship engagement Only happens with POS i think somone said.
snerdly snerd LTD	Posted - 2007.12.15 18:14:00 - [23] Edited by: snerdly on 15/12/2007 18:14:16 Originally by: Maksiim Three for three by looks of it, not to mention the three large towers BoB apparently killed in 5-N. Actually (you idiot) you may notice that 2 of the 3 bob capship 'kills' were actually bob capship losses that had some bob on them, remote repping or whatever. So the actual score is 3-1. (idiot)
Gontard Minmatar E-Truth	Posted - 2007.12.15 18:52:00 - [24] Hmm... BoB destroyed all IAC posses in 5v, sov is secure in BoB hands, goons failed to achieve anything there, lost all battles, and the cap losses will balance when some people will log in. As for Delve the mighty nanofags managed to kill stuff that i make in 3 days (me alone). BoB must be on their knees
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.15 18:55:00 - [25] bob tears are the best tears
Dylan Rhade Caldari UK Corp	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:42:00 - [26] It can be phrased however people want, Devs in whatever alliance etc etc Ships like SuperCaps, will require a very precise balance, that has not been achieved yet. In the past they were solo pwn-mobiles with a free bbq, now they are weak and underfed beasts. If and when CCP find that perfect balance, i feel supercaps will play a role larger than they have thus-far. We only need to wait for CCP to balance them properly ... D If my views represent the views of my corporation and alliance, then you, sir/madam, are a spoon
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:45:00 - [27] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/12/2007 19:48:09 Originally by: Bein Glorious Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Shadoo BoB used their supercaps yesterday quite effectively. We had a gang of about 30 (15-20 BS?) conventional ships fitted for anti-pos vs 5 motherships, 1 titan and few carriers... it speaks volumes no BoB caps died in that engagement and unless the friendly Razor gang hadn't joined us -- it is possible the motherships might have managed to rep the small POS (was pretty close on 15-20BS 40km dps vs that many cap remote reppers). Titan was used to pull all the caps out of the field successfully when the friendly gang got close. Had this been vs. 7-9 Carriers, with no supercaps on field -- the story would have ended in more than just a small mining tower loss for BoB... Small entities/soloers suffered most from the supercap "nerf", but they still work quite well when used by a larger entity such as BoB. Considering their intended and described purpose -- I think they're OK as is. Well that's it--the problem is that supercaps are only useful when you have a whole blob of them. Which yet again benefits only the gigantic mega-alliances but screws over pretty much everyone else. i can actually mostly agree with this statement though saying that "supercaps are 'only' useful..." should be changed to a relative statement The major point, I think, is that in small numbers, supercaps are basically totally useless--because its so easy to hold one down now, unless you win the battle, you die. For large numbers of supercaps, as long as the lag isn't too bad, you can just have 15 motherships remote-rep-chaining each other, and they're nearly invincible. As it currently stands, supercaps don't break the blob; they make it larger, because the only effective way to use a supercap in combat is to blob with many, which forces the enemy to blob you back. Its yet another lose-lose situation as the node crashes 3 minutes later. CCP needs to make supercapitals useful again for something other than hauling battleships around. Motherships in particular have really gotten the shaft; now they're really little more than big carriers that cost 20 times more. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:48:00 - [28] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/12/2007 19:46:47 Originally by: Bein Glorious Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Shadoo BoB used their supercaps yesterday quite effectively. We had a gang of about 30 (15-20 BS?) conventional ships fitted for anti-pos vs 5 motherships, 1 titan and few carriers... it speaks volumes no BoB caps died in that engagement and unless the friendly Razor gang hadn't joined us -- it is possible the motherships might have managed to rep the small POS (was pretty close on 15-20BS 40km dps vs that many cap remote reppers). Titan was used to pull all the caps out of the field successfully when the friendly gang got close. Had this been vs. 7-9 Carriers, with no supercaps on field -- the story would have ended in more than just a small mining tower loss for BoB... Small entities/soloers suffered most from the supercap "nerf", but they still work quite well when used by a larger entity such as BoB. Considering their intended and described purpose -- I think they're OK as is. Well that's it--the problem is that supercaps are only useful when you have a whole blob of them. Which yet again benefits only the gigantic mega-alliances but screws over pretty much everyone else. i can actually mostly agree with this statement though saying that "supercaps are 'only' useful..." should be changed to a relative statement The major point, I think, is that in small numbers, supercaps are basically totally useless--because its so easy to hold one down now, unless you win the battle, you die. For large numbers of supercaps, as long as the lag isn't too bad, you can just have 15 motherships remote-rep-chaining each other, and they're invincible. As it currently stands, supercaps don't break the blob; they make it larger, because the only effective way to use a supercap in combat is to blob with many, which forces the enemy to blob you back. Its yet another lose-lose situation as the node crashes 3 minutes later. CCP needs to make supercapitals useful again for something other than hauling battleships around. i agree with this except for the "too easy to tackle by small numbers" bit heavy dictors aren't as tough as they look, a couple neuts and even a handful of ships will be able to kill them (yes, even passive shield tanking broadswords and onyxes)
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:51:00 - [29] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Moonlight Express ItÆs pretty obvious that CCP is redesigning the game in attempt to kill BoB. Every nerf is more and more to take away the experience and SP factor to give advantage to the blob factor. Anyone that does not see that is a moron, they just don't care because it helps kill BoB. As for the reason behind it, well. The T20 scandal and the fact that most developers are in goonswarm these days is most likely the reason. They want BoB dead. Once they are gone as an alliance, CCP will boost the game back up to their own advantage boosting defenses, sovereignty and super caps. I mean, if they were caught once helping an alliance have an advantage, why believe that just because they are now on the other side, things are any different? Conspiracy theory 4TW? How far is it from the truth? Actions speak volume. Just look at the facts. yeah about a couple of posts ago i said that bob tears are the best tears, thanks for providing me with some more Sorry. I don't have 5000 people to spam emails to every gaming forum, hackers to get evidence to prove my theory or an army to gather it, so you'll have to excuse me by posting here. Truth must hurt if the mighty Mittani responds to my post. I must be moving up in the world. I'm a BoB alt now.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.15 20:01:00 - [30] awww poor lil bobbit :shobon:

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