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Sairait
Amarr 47R THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.12.17 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX OMG, i'm so tempted to just buy one ticket.
You know me + a Tempest = ♥♥♥
Now that's the right attitude, get a super-rare ship for a price of faction one, and then go break it in PvP. Me likes. Just don't forget to Fraps it !
/Sairait
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Manc
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sairait
Originally by: NightmareX OMG, i'm so tempted to just buy one ticket.
You know me + a Tempest = ♥♥♥
Now that's the right attitude, get a super-rare ship for a price of faction one, and then go break it in PvP. Me likes. Just don't forget to Fraps it !
/Sairait
lol indeed
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:05:00 -
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At the moment, the ticket price is completely out of reach of the vast majority of the community, and even many comparatively well-off people will not want to take part - the almost sure loss priciple dictates that they won't want to risk such a large sum for a relatively small chance of winning, even though the expected return on tickets is positive.
There are ways you could base this on the same national lottery, equally securely, and allow for many more tickets of a smaller value each. One possible method, similar to the one used successfully by the BIG lottery, is set out below.
The idea is to let people choose 6 numbers each instead of just one. The winner is whoever manages to match all 6 numbers drawn in the national lottery. There are 13,983,816 possible combinations, so that's the maximum possible number of tickets you'd have to sell, which would easily beat the reserve of 80bn if they went for, say, 6k each.
The tricky bit is letting people buy lots of tickets at once- it'd be a lot of work to set up, but it is definitely possible:- Make people post how many tickets they want to buy in a dedicated thread in this forum
- Disallow any purchases by anyone who edits their purchase posts after the deciding national lottery draw is made (recalculate appropriately later on...)
- Fill up the list of numbers from 1 to 13,983,816 from one end with back-to-back ranges of tickets in the order that people purchase them
- Make a list of all the 49-digit binary numbers with exactly 6 ones and 43 zeroes, and put them in ascending order next to the numbers 1 to 13,983,816
- When the lottery is drawn, convert the result to a 49 digit binary number (with leading zeros); e.g. if the national lottery draw is 49, 48, 47, 46, 45, 44, then the 49 digit number is 111111000...(another 40 zeros)
- Look up the position of the 49-digit number in the list, and see who bought the range of tickets containing it. In the the example above, the winning ticket would be # 13,983,816
- If no-one bought the winning ticket, wait until the next national lottery draw & repeat (it shouldn't take very many tries as long as the majority of the tickets are sold, and further tickets can be sold in the intervening days)
Although this is a slightly complicated method, every part of it can be independently verified, so it should be safe from talk of manipulation. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Mozana
x13
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:38:00 -
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reserver of 40 numbers. 49 numbers in lottery
What happens if only 1-40 are sold and the lottery draws number 49
???
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente Anqara Tech
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mozana reserver of 40 numbers. 49 numbers in lottery
What happens if only 1-40 are sold and the lottery draws number 49
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Rollover time, I guess. Mucho profit for the lottery runners.
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Manc
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Manc on 17/12/2007 22:57:38
Originally by: Mozana reserver of 40 numbers. 49 numbers in lottery
What happens if only 1-40 are sold and the lottery draws number 49
???
The winning number shall be the first number drawn in the first draw. If such ticket number was not sold (possible as the reserve is 40 tickets), the next drawn number will be a winning one. This will continue until the first number actually sold gets drawn. With any luck there won't be such situation that no winning number was drawn through the whole lottery, but in the off chance that this happens, the lottery will be postponed until saturday 29th of december.
We won't make any extra iskies off it if this does happen as it will be postponed. That's if the 40 ticket reserve is actually met of course.
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John Frek
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Posted - 2007.12.18 00:23:00 -
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I don't suppose we have any screen shots of the "Storm"? |
NightmareX
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: John Frek I don't suppose we have any screen shots of the "Storm"?
If you have a Tempest, then just right click on the ship info, and then go to Variations, and then you will see the Tempest Tribal Issue (earlier called Storm) there. Or just go to market and then search after Tempest, and show info on it there.
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she1
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Posted - 2007.12.18 02:01:00 -
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Its a pitty you guys worked out the low sec thing already. I was about to offer my services to move it to empire for whoever wins it.
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Pitt Bull
Caldari Naval Reserve
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Posted - 2007.12.18 03:48:00 -
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No one is stupid enough to buy a 80 bil isk ship.
But 40 people must be stupid enough to throw 2 bil isk out the window.
This scam is genius.
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Matsui Hideki
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Posted - 2007.12.18 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Pitt Bull No one is stupid enough to buy a 80 bil isk ship.
But 40 people must be stupid enough to throw 2 bil isk out the window.
This scam is genius.
You're an idiot
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Pitt Bull
Caldari Naval Reserve
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Posted - 2007.12.18 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Matsui Hideki
Originally by: Pitt Bull No one is stupid enough to buy a 80 bil isk ship.
But 40 people must be stupid enough to throw 2 bil isk out the window.
This scam is genius.
You're an idiot
I'd ask you to explain but I honestly don't care about your opinion.
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Gud Gaad
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Posted - 2007.12.18 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Pitt Bull
Originally by: Matsui Hideki
Originally by: Pitt Bull No one is stupid enough to buy a 80 bil isk ship.
But 40 people must be stupid enough to throw 2 bil isk out the window.
This scam is genius.
You're an idiot
I'd ask you to explain but I honestly don't care about your opinion.
Neither does anyone care about yours.
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Xerita
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Posted - 2007.12.18 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: Xerita on 18/12/2007 03:56:13
Originally by: Gud Gaad
Originally by: Pitt Bull
Originally by: Matsui Hideki
Originally by: Pitt Bull No one is stupid enough to buy a 80 bil isk ship.
But 40 people must be stupid enough to throw 2 bil isk out the window.
This scam is genius.
You're an idiot
I'd ask you to explain but I honestly don't care about your opinion.
Neither does anyone care about yours.
Oh haha, sorry i forgot this thread was about me...
oh hey, look its my alt posting again!
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Horza Otho
Minmatar Cosmic Fusion
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Posted - 2007.12.18 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Pitt Bull Hi i am a moron.
I fixed it for ya buddy
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Pseudo Ucksth
Collegium Mechanicae
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Posted - 2007.12.18 05:46:00 -
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With all due respect to the ship (she is a beauty), this format for a lottery is just silly.
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burek
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2007.12.18 06:04:00 -
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I don't see what the problem is with this lottery format. It's perfect for a prize like this.
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dodgy242
Corpus PCG The State
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Posted - 2007.12.18 08:37:00 -
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Oh, wait, damn, you guys must have been mistaken. You thought you were posting in the LOTTERY DISCUSSION THREAD OF HIGH HORSES instead of the Storm Lottery thread.
PRICE IS 2 bil / ticket DEAL WITH IT FFS!
Just consider it "a bit of fun", not "weep weep weep I want to enter but can't/won't/want to but don't dare and life is unfair".
Also, didn't get round to paying for my ticket yesterday, payment tonight for sure.
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Vinya Orcrist
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Posted - 2007.12.18 08:37:00 -
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Please remember the administraqtive trouble it would be to handle 1 -13 million lottery tickets combined with their owner.
Whereas I think a doubling of numbers would be perfect I still see the reson why this drawing is setup aw it is.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.18 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Vinya Orcrist Please remember the administrative trouble it would be to handle 1 -13 million lottery tickets combined with their owner.
First, although millions of tickets would indeed be sold, they'd be in big chunks, probably thousands at a time (read the scheme I proposed above), so there'd only be a few tens of thousands of purchases at most.
Also, CCP has provided a very natural way of managing this - a list of payments received could be generated automatically using the API (ideally with a dedicated character who won't have any unrelated wallet entries). The API key could be made public and/or entered into a site like this one to allow independent review of everything.
The BIG lottery already does this once a week, so it can't be too much of a headache. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2007.12.18 10:40:00 -
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Oooo Shiney
Reserve Number 7 please , cash when I get home from work |
Desolacer
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:17:00 -
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More trash for t2 bpo owners and old timer players.
All bull****. just take take your bpo's and go.
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Gian Bal
Minmatar Singularity. Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.18 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Desolacer More trash for t2 bpo owners and old timer players.
All bull****. just take take your bpo's and go.
words like chip and shoulder spring to mind.....
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Karsa Orlong
Minmatar Erasers inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:37:00 -
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Reserve me number 17 please.
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dodgy242
Corpus PCG The State
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Desolacer More trash for t2 bpo owners and old timer players.
All bull****. just take take your bpo's and go.
I have 0 BPO's mate, the same as your IQ.
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Rawthorm
Gallente The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:06:00 -
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ISK sent for number 28
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X Alias
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:15:00 -
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I think this is a great way to sell this ship, since it gives many people a chance at it.
However if you do not reach the 40 person minimum in ticket sales, I would suggest the following fairly simple way to try to sell it via lottery again.
Just make it a 2 week lottery and sell 49 tickets of each number for just over 40 million each. Then the 49 people who win weekĘs lottery would move on to round 2 and get randomly assigned a new number. The week 2 winner wins it all, and now the lottery is affordable to most all players in Eve, yet still fairly easy to run without complex math or databases. It could be a New Years lottery instead.
Sadly I make this suggestion since I am not well off enough to take part in the current lottery but would appreciate the chance at a more affordable version.
But either way great contest!
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Rawthorm
Gallente The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:24:00 -
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FYI, someone has created an alt with an almost identical name and is trying to get people to forward the ISK to him instead. You'd have to be pretty dumb to forward ISK first without checking but I know there are people out there that will fall for it
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 18/12/2007 23:33:04
Originally by: Rawthorm FYI, someone has created an alt with an almost identical name and is trying to get people to forward the ISK to him instead. You'd have to be pretty dumb to forward ISK first without checking but I know there are people out there that will fall for it
Which name, I'll drop an impersonation petition on him/her and if unlucky for him/her she will end up with a warning/ban.
Never mind the name, found it. The name should hopefully be changed shortly.
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Rawthorm
Gallente The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Which name, I'll drop an impersonation petition on him/her and if unlucky for him/her she will end up with a warning/ban.
Never mind the name, found it. The name should hopefully be changed shortly.
Its a 1 day old alt called Nhadalla
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