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Razz XXX
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.12.17 11:25:00 -
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I bought one last week for 450m and now there only 325m to 350m.
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Daeva Vios
PhaseShifter Technologies Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2007.12.17 11:32:00 -
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Magical Mysterious Market Forces.
I believe it goes something like this
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.17 11:39:00 -
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As far as i can see they are 400mill each.
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Daeva Vios
PhaseShifter Technologies Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2007.12.17 11:41:00 -
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Wow. One for 500m.
Folks is gettin greedy.
Glad I've paid my account out months in advance
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.17 12:00:00 -
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there's no real market for GTCs out there and prices go up and down by a lot sometimes as people are not sure what price they can hope for - it's not like ingame that you can set up a sell/buy order and it will say "oops, you're 20% below/above market average"
they are up to 400s now, and 450 was on high end of price spectrum even a week ago :P
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.17 12:20:00 -
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christmas bonus - putting the gist back into logistics |
Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.17 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Razz XXX I bought one last week for 450m and now there only 325m to 350m.
If you're after a cheap 90 day'er then a good method is to camp the GTC forums and put up a BUY order for the price you want to pay. I guarantee you -someone- will accept it and trade you the code. Just make sure you're around to accept the order as they tend to get twitchy and take back the offer if you dont buy it fast.
But yeh, they change price very quickly.
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Hersheff
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Posted - 2007.12.17 14:40:00 -
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pity you cant resell them anymore ^^
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Marille
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Posted - 2007.12.17 15:58:00 -
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Well im not sure what programming or how secure would that be, but why isnt ccp implementing an ingame feature where you can buy gtc? You know like buying a ship , Let's say i have a gtc for sale i put him up on market and wait for my buyers, or if you buy a gtc you just scroll trough the market offers and pick the one that suits you or that you can afford.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.17 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Marille Well im not sure what programming or how secure would that be, but why isnt ccp implementing an ingame feature where you can buy gtc? You know like buying a ship , Let's say i have a gtc for sale i put him up on market and wait for my buyers, or if you buy a gtc you just scroll trough the market offers and pick the one that suits you or that you can afford.
I've brought this up many times in the past. Though I don't know why I do... it would only make them cost more which would be bad for me.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.12.17 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Marille Well im not sure what programming or how secure would that be, but why isnt ccp implementing an ingame feature where you can buy gtc? You know like buying a ship , Let's say i have a gtc for sale i put him up on market and wait for my buyers, or if you buy a gtc you just scroll trough the market offers and pick the one that suits you or that you can afford.
Originally by: Shadarle I've brought this up many times in the past. Though I don't know why I do... it would only make them cost more which would be bad for me.
Because CCP only condones trading GTC's for ISK. They don't actively do it themselves. GTC's are simply pre-payments of cash to CCP. They win every time someone buys a GTC. What happens after that means nothing to CCP. However allowing them to be traded for isk increases the attractiveness of purchasing GTC's. If CCP started actively trading in game time for isk they would stop receiving a large portion of their revenue stream. No telling how much of the revenue stream they would lose either as people would only do more and more grinding to pay CCP via isk instead of cash. I'm well paid for many many months on GTC's I might add. I only buy 90 day GTC's and I tend to buy 6 months to 1 year at a time. So, in essence, someone is paying for my game time after I pay them a lump sum of isk. I'm kind of glad CCP's involvement in the transaction is minimal though really important. (Can't praise the secure transfer enough!)
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.17 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Marille Well im not sure what programming or how secure would that be, but why isnt ccp implementing an ingame feature where you can buy gtc? You know like buying a ship , Let's say i have a gtc for sale i put him up on market and wait for my buyers, or if you buy a gtc you just scroll trough the market offers and pick the one that suits you or that you can afford.
Originally by: Shadarle I've brought this up many times in the past. Though I don't know why I do... it would only make them cost more which would be bad for me.
Because CCP only condones trading GTC's for ISK. They don't actively do it themselves. GTC's are simply pre-payments of cash to CCP. They win every time someone buys a GTC. What happens after that means nothing to CCP. However allowing them to be traded for isk increases the attractiveness of purchasing GTC's. If CCP started actively trading in game time for isk they would stop receiving a large portion of their revenue stream. No telling how much of the revenue stream they would lose either as people would only do more and more grinding to pay CCP via isk instead of cash. I'm well paid for many many months on GTC's I might add. I only buy 90 day GTC's and I tend to buy 6 months to 1 year at a time. So, in essence, someone is paying for my game time after I pay them a lump sum of isk. I'm kind of glad CCP's involvement in the transaction is minimal though really important. (Can't praise the secure transfer enough!)
I don't see how CCP loses a revenue stream if they add the ability to sell GTC's through the market in game.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.12.17 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle I don't see how CCP loses a revenue stream if they add the ability to sell GTC's through the market in game.
Ah, different creature entirely... but it does cross over into boundaries that I think CCP would rather avoid then to encourage. Right now the situation is the classic wink and nod regarding trading isk for cash via gtc's. To allow direct transfers in game via the interface is starting to go a little to far. After all, I could have gotten my gtc's as gifts not in trade for isk. Actually, anyone that would like to please feel free to gift me some eve time if you feel I deserve it.
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Nocturnal Avenger
The Ankou The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.12.17 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Shadarle I don't see how CCP loses a revenue stream if they add the ability to sell GTC's through the market in game.
Ah, different creature entirely... but it does cross over into boundaries that I think CCP would rather avoid then to encourage. Right now the situation is the classic wink and nod regarding trading isk for cash via gtc's. To allow direct transfers in game via the interface is starting to go a little to far. After all, I could have gotten my gtc's as gifts not in trade for isk. Actually, anyone that would like to please feel free to gift me some eve time if you feel I deserve it.
I failed to notice when you answered the question :P
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Shuan Jedai
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Shuan Jedai on 17/12/2007 19:10:31
Originally by: Shadarle
I don't see how CCP loses a revenue stream if they add the ability to sell GTC's through the market in game.
It would promote the general awareness of GTCs. Even more people would realize that instead of paying 15e per month for subscription, they can just buy a GTC for 10e, if not for ISK.
Not to mention more newbies would realize that the 'activation fee' with the new account, 20e, could be done just the same with 10e GTC.
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.18 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Shuan Jedai It would promote the general awareness of GTCs. Even more people would realize that instead of paying 15e per month for subscription, they can just buy a GTC for 10e, if not for ISK.
Not to mention more newbies would realize that the 'activation fee' with the new account, 20e, could be done just the same with 10e GTC.
Right now they got an entire subforum titled "Character and Timecode Bazaar" that anyone visiting the forums can see. If they would replace that with a button leading to some kind of GTC trade system where you could go and easily see who is selling how many codes and for what price, it will not increase awareness of GTCs in any way. People who don't read the forums still won't ever show there and the newbs will continue being just as clueless (btw they got a sticky post in newbie section that talks about GTCs so clearly they are not trying to hide this info from them).
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.18 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Shuan Jedai Edited by: Shuan Jedai on 17/12/2007 19:10:31
Originally by: Shadarle
I don't see how CCP loses a revenue stream if they add the ability to sell GTC's through the market in game.
It would promote the general awareness of GTCs. Even more people would realize that instead of paying 15e per month for subscription, they can just buy a GTC for 10e, if not for ISK.
Not to mention more newbies would realize that the 'activation fee' with the new account, 20e, could be done just the same with 10e GTC.
I think this is a rather weak argument. If they don't like GTC's they can stop selling them. If they are worried GTC's cost less than subscriptions then they can raise the price. Neither is a valid reason why they wouldn't make the system more robust imo.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.12.18 01:50:00 -
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Well GTC's are prepayments. No company is against getting pre-paid for product!
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.18 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Well GTC's are prepayments. No company is against getting pre-paid for product!
Which is why I'm a bit surprised they don't offer more longer term GTC's, including 180 day and 365 cards. If I could get 365 day cards I'd snap up 2-3 for each of my characters so I'd never have to worry about it again. I may not end up playing that long... who knows... but that is what CCP hopes for in a sense. They love people who are going to quit to have already payed for another 6+ months. They get the money for that time and don't have to use up server space on them.
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Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.18 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle They love people who are going to quit to have already payed for another 6+ months. They get the money for that time and don't have to use up server space on them.
The more active players the better for all involved. This kind of thinking sounds a litle like paranoi to me :) - but your entitled to it.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.18 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Astorothe
Originally by: Shadarle They love people who are going to quit to have already payed for another 6+ months. They get the money for that time and don't have to use up server space on them.
The more active players the better for all involved. This kind of thinking sounds a litle like paranoi to me :) - but your entitled to it.
I'm not saying they'd rather everyone quit. I'm saying they'd rather that someone who is quiting already payed for 6+ months of time that will go unused.
This is one of the reasons so many companies offer long term contracts and why mmorpgs offer 3-6-12 month plans. If someone quits before the time is up they are basically getting money and not having to provide the service to that person. Or another way to look at it is that the person payed more money per day of playtime previously.
Obviously they'd rather no one ever quit the game.
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eosfun
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.18 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Razz XXX I bought one last week for 450m and now there only 325m to 350m.
Take a look:
Latest 90 day GTC Sales on Average
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.18 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: eosfun
Originally by: Razz XXX I bought one last week for 450m and now there only 325m to 350m.
Take a look: Latest 90 day GTC Sales on Average
looking at that graph more interesting question would be why did they spike mid-November - peeps preparing for Trinity's coming perhaps?
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eosfun
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.18 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sicil Fioet
Originally by: eosfun
Originally by: Razz XXX I bought one last week for 450m and now there only 325m to 350m.
Take a look: Latest 90 day GTC Sales on Average
looking at that graph more interesting question would be why did they spike mid-November - peeps preparing for Trinity's coming perhaps?
Yes, but what were eve players expecting? The termination of 30day GTC? - Nope, didn't happen. Or was it the fact that people wouldn't have enough time to put in there new 30 day time codes because they were petitioning to get the f**k out of Jita?
The universe may never know...
Anyways, I have no idea. I wish someone could elaborate.
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.18 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: Sicil Fioet on 18/12/2007 04:25:01
Originally by: eosfun Yes, but what were eve players expecting? The termination of 30day GTC? - Nope, didn't happen. Or was it the fact that people wouldn't have enough time to put in there new 30 day time codes because they were petitioning to get the f**k out of Jita?
The universe may never know...
Anyways, I have no idea. I wish someone could elaborate.
If 30 day codes followed the same pricing pattern it would indicate overall increase in demand for game time or decrease in demand for ISK or both. If this pattern is only exhibited by 90 day codes then it is just random spike. May be a few bulk code sellers were off vacationing for Thanksgiving mid-November instead of playing, blowing up ships and selling codes to afford stuff (USA peeps do make up about 40% of EVE's total population). Another thing that comes to mind is that some non-active players came back to EVE to check out the new Trinity expansion, with new graphics and all it did sound quite alluring, and they bought up more codes than usual to reactivate their accounts. Those would be two of mine wild guesses if 30 day codes indeed followed the same pattern.
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Virtuozzo
IRON Tech Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:14:00 -
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I wonder where you're buying, I see people pick em up frequently at around 350M in various alliance and trade channels.
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SencneS
Amarr Balsarferskratchin Inc Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:05:00 -
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I think I can answer the "Why not 365 day GTCs?"
Put simply they can't, the main reason is you're paying for a service not a product. When you offer a service in time like this you have to guarantee that operation, for that time. Imagine if they sold 1 year time codes. Then 3 months later everything died and they needed to stop everything. They'd have to repay everyone 9 months worth of time. Where as a 90day, at most they only need to shell out 89 days worth.
When the game "Earth and Beyond" ended they stopped selling time and let the game run out until everyones time was up. Imagine having the keep/maintain/support the hardware up to a year longer without any fresh income.
Just like IPOs, MMOs have an exit strategy. Ever notice why you can only buy 90 day GTC's but you have a 1 year option with Credit Card?. It's because they can pay the Credit Card back in seconds. GTC's they can't, there is no history there or record of where the money should go if they fail.
Make no bones about it, if CCP failed they would stop all new GTC's being entered, whoever has the longest GTC time left will be their complete shutdown date. Any Credit Card time beyond that point will be paid back. Of course we need CCP is not going to fail but you never know, they are simply keeping their exit strategy active.
People will be ****ed off no doubt about it, but they legally have to guarantee service and game operation for the length of time they can control. It's in their EULA and no legal department would let their company open themselves up to such litigation if they didn't have something to that effect.
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