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Lazuran
Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.17 18:16:00 -
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The Vargur will probably stay above 500m cost. Now compare it to other options for the Minmatar mission runner / ratter:
- The Maelstrom has the same DPS (or more if you use 4 Heavy T2 Drones), nearly the same tank and is much easier to fit (esp. Artillery) - The Tempest has nearly the same DPS and is easier to fit (Artillery) - The Typhoon can be armor tanked and has higher DPS even with a fully tanked setup without damage mods
All those ships are of course much cheaper and can be fitted for much faster mission running / ratting with the same cost as the base cost of the Vargur (e.g. with Faction mods). Also, they can all fit 3 Rigs (the Vargur only 2).
The only advantages of the Vargur: - half the ammo use (so if you are into Faction ammo, you only pay a 10x instead of a 20x premium on large projectile ammo) - large cargo bay and easier salvaging/tractoring (but does anyone who values his ISK/hour not use an alt for that?)
Frankly, I don't see what the point is ... I considered the Vargur for a bit for mission running, but then chose a Maelstrom since it fits a decent tank and 1200mm Artillery without a sweat and looting/salvaging takes too long anyway. With the current price difference to the Vargur I could buy 2 x DG Invul fields ...
Is anyone using it other than for kicks? If so, why?
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
dust monkey
Minmatar Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.12.17 18:55:00 -
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thoes are exactly the reasons why i'll never buy one. all the t1 BS do the job better.
also you cant even fit a full rack of 800MM and xlarge booster + injector tank with out a RCU due to its crappy 7900 base PG.
if it had a 5th gun or something, going along with brutors philosophy "fit as much fire power as humanily possible"
its a rather disapointing T2 bs for minmatar that had a lot of protential.
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:04:00 -
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my take is that it's for E-PEEN purposes before it goes KABLOOIE to a local pirate in blasterthron ---
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Odium47
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:08:00 -
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Vargur is there just to fill the segment, nothing more.
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Prevelance
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:09:00 -
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Umm, can we say falloff and tracking bonus? Uber.
I would give several body parts to fly one for PVP. I'll be training up for it. It's basicaly a tempest with a bunch more damage due to being able to fit damage mods in lows, the sheild tank of a maelstrom, but better resists, a tracking bonus like the mega, a falloff bonus for total uberness, i mean come on.
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Prevelance
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:11:00 -
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i think you underestimate the falloff and tracking.
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Denton Frost
Amarr KSI
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:11:00 -
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It looks pretty.
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Niffetin
Gallente CONsordium Infinate
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Prevelance i think you underestimate the falloff and tracking.
I think you are overestimating this useless ship by a lot.
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Lazuran
Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Prevelance Umm, can we say falloff and tracking bonus? Uber.
I would give several body parts to fly one for PVP. I'll be training up for it. It's basicaly a tempest with a bunch more damage due to being able to fit damage mods in lows, the sheild tank of a maelstrom, but better resists, a tracking bonus like the mega, a falloff bonus for total uberness, i mean come on.
Do you fly Faction BS in PVP now? What's the point when 3 T1 cruisers will kill you? Better buy 5 Tempests for the same price.
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Lazuran
Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Prevelance i think you underestimate the falloff and tracking.
It's useless. With ACs even at optimal + falloff the DPS is lower than with 1200m Artillery at the same distance. The tracking doesn't matter much when you're shooting rats at 40km.
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:36:00 -
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The point of this ship, is to make a great big hole.
In your wallet.
Oh yes. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? GMP and TNP |
slothe
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:41:00 -
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heh i agree with james lyrus.
it sounds as disappointing as a republic fleet tempest is tbh. looks nice, but not that great - especially when compared to other faction ships.
however, i think the republic fleet pest > vargur tbh.
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Odium47
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Prevelance i think you underestimate the falloff and tracking.
What falloff ? What tracking ?
Nonsense.
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Prevelance
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:52:00 -
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I dont know, maby it's just cause I am totally PVP focused.
I think about the fact that If I'm sitting on a gate and somthing is sitting in the middle of my old falloff getting hit some of the the time with decent damage, with the vargur, now that ship will be in the beginning of my fallof and he will take alot more damage with less misses because of both those bonuses. You might not think about it like I do, but fallof plus tracking means damage. Its just as good as a damage bonus, if not better.
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.17 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Shevar on 17/12/2007 20:24:29 Use 4 autocannons and a fall off rig, gives you decent damage at max tracking beam range (40km).
Quite frankly the vargur is the fastest lvl4 mission runner for minmatar if you take looting time into consideration.
That being said I wouldn't use it since I don't run a lot of high sec level 4's. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Ariel Dawn
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.17 20:58:00 -
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Maelstrom + Falloff Rigs = Vargur
Maelstrom has more drone space and happens to cost 7x less and can be insured.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.12.17 21:34:00 -
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It has better range, better tracking, is substantially faster, and has a better tank than the Maelstrom. (T2 resists)
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Aeaus
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.12.17 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal It has better range, better tracking, is substantially faster, and has a better tank than the Maelstrom. (T2 resists)
Yes, incredible T2 Resists.
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Enkilil
Minmatar Carbon Moon Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lazuran
- large cargo bay and easier salvaging/tractoring (but does anyone who values his ISK/hour not use an alt for that?)
.. which you'll absolutely have to have to even rat or mission run any more, now that the nerf bat has been rigorously applied to the Volume of all your loot.
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Swiftness
Caldari VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:17:00 -
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Hi devs : can't fit artillery = sux for missions . If barrage L was 50 times cheaper now maybe it would be an interesting missionning ship. Atm its only use is speed running angel extravaganza lvl 4 isnt it
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Raaki
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:18:00 -
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I did notice tho that all these t2 BS's have a bigger cap, that recharges faster then T1 battleships.
Vargur has 32% faster cap recharge compared to a tempest, 28% compared to maelstrom
Dunno if that means much.
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