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Ricar
Society for the Preservation of Professors
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:06:00 -
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Good evening. I have a very intresting task on hand. I want to make a custom fit ship for pvp sniping. The problem is I never flew amarr. Price is not a question, since this is a gift. I'm willing to spend 1 - 1.5 bil on a nice sniper setup (pvp).
Could you help me out? Here are setups, I've sticked together in EFT. Could you provide some feedback or good ideas?
[Apocalypse Navy Issue, New Setup 1] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II Fourier Transform I Tracking Program
100MN MicroWarpdrive I Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Energy Locus Coordinator II
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[Paladin, New Setup 1] Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range 100MN MicroWarpdrive I
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
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Vireti
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:09:00 -
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Get a nightmare m8. It's far, far superior now. Should fit in your price range too but tbh anything other than jita sniping would be insane in it.
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Ricar
Society for the Preservation of Professors
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ricar on 18/12/2007 23:18:03 Thanks for reply!
There is one addition: nightmare is not an option since it requires Matari BSes (meh). Besides it's comparable with Paladin.
As for insanity - well, it's fun sniping stuff in your faction ship :)
P.S. One more remark. DD is not estimated. So tank can be rather thin.
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Centurion Redux
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ricar Edited by: Ricar on 18/12/2007 23:18:03 Thanks for reply!
There is one addition: nightmare is not an option since it requires Matari BSes (meh). Besides it's comparable with Paladin.
As for insanity - well, it's fun sniping stuff in your faction ship :)
P.S. One more remark. DD is not estimated. So tank can be rather thin.
Bhaalgorn needs mini bs not nightmare, nightmare needs caldari bs
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Ricar
Society for the Preservation of Professors
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:44:00 -
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Me bad, bhaalgorn is out Nightmare is in :)
Any ideas on Nightmare setup?
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.19 00:29:00 -
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same as paladin, really...
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.19 00:36:00 -
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4x tachs II
2x sb II, 2x tc II, 100mn mwd II, 2x invuls II
2x dc II, 3x heat sinks, 1x pdu
or something =/
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port22
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2007.12.19 02:20:00 -
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Nightmare as above setup.
Originally by: Venetian Tar port, your mum hates you, and your dads shagging your sister
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The Djego
Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP. Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.19 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Exiled One 4x tachs II
2x sb II, 2x tc II, 100mn mwd II, 2x invuls II
2x dc II, 3x heat sinks, 1x pdu
or something =/
2 Damage Controlls are silly. Mayby a CPR or a Tracking Enhancer would be usefull. You can use also one Med with a TC to fit a Sensordampner with a Range Script to avoid Damage from other Sniping Ships. Nerf Tank, boost Gank! XD
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.19 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: The Djego Edited by: The Djego on 19/12/2007 02:28:37
Originally by: Exiled One 4x tachs II
2x sb II, 2x tc II, 100mn mwd II, 2x invuls II
2x dc II, 3x heat sinks, 1x pdu
or something =/
2 Damage Controlls are silly. Mayby a CPR or a Tracking Enhancer would be usefull. You can use also one Med with a TC to fit a Sensordampner with a Range Script to avoid Damage from other Sniping Ships. Or a Tracking Disruptor with a Range Script. Sentry Drones or ECM Drones if you want to go for self Defence or maximum Damage.
was a typo =/ nightmare has only 5 slots
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Hans Angry
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.19 04:02:00 -
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1 word, abaddon, best sniper in the game, over 500 dps, and 170km optimal Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. And it was ten times too big :p If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
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Willy Joe
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Posted - 2007.12.19 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Angry 1 word, abaddon, best sniper in the game, over 500 dps, and 170km optimal
For 30 seconds , the time it takes you to cap out...
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Don Juanito
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Posted - 2007.12.19 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Willy Joe
Originally by: Hans Angry 1 word, abaddon, best sniper in the game, over 500 dps, and 170km optimal
For 30 seconds , the time it takes you to cap out...
still the highest dps sniping platform. the nightmare does the same, but doesnt exceed it(except in cap sustainability, but thats debatable due to the extra cap used in shield tanking), same story with the paladin.
if you want a really expensive laser sniper than the nightmare or paladin are the way to go. nightmare for pimp factor though.
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Hans Angry
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.19 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Willy Joe
Originally by: Hans Angry 1 word, abaddon, best sniper in the game, over 500 dps, and 170km optimal
For 30 seconds , the time it takes you to cap out...
http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abaddonsd0.jpg 4 minutes, in most sniper battles you shouldnt need cap longer then that Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. And it was ten times too big :p If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
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Don Juanito
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Posted - 2007.12.19 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Angry
Originally by: Willy Joe
Originally by: Hans Angry 1 word, abaddon, best sniper in the game, over 500 dps, and 170km optimal
For 30 seconds , the time it takes you to cap out...
http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abaddonsd0.jpg 4 minutes, in most sniper battles you shouldnt need cap longer then that
needs a mwd, which means it then needs a cap booster.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 06:45:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 19/12/2007 06:46:01
Originally by: Hans Angry
http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abaddonsd0.jpg 4 minutes, in most sniper battles you shouldnt need cap longer then that
And the nightmare does that with an MWD, and a plate, and fires longer.
The nightmare is the best Amarr battleship in the game.
If i had enough isk to be flying amarr battleships, and wanted to fly them, i would be training caldari battleship right now.
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Ricar
Society for the Preservation of Professors
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Posted - 2007.12.19 08:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ricar on 19/12/2007 08:15:29 Thank you for replies!
Few questions remain: 1) Do I need capobooster for sniper setup? 2) Is Paladin really worse then Nightmare? 3) If I want to spend 200-300m on heatsinks alone (3 of em) what should I choose? also which officer/faction fit should I throw in? Rigs? t2 Rigs?
Thanks in advance. Sadly my expertise lies only in gallentean technology
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Kyle Frost
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.19 09:55:00 -
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Nightmare
High slots: 4 x Tachyon Beam Laser II / Aurora L 1 x Best named large energy destabilizer 1 free slot
Medium slots: 2 x Tracking Computer II / Tracking Speed 5 x Best named sensor booster / 3 x Targeting speed , 1 x Targeting range , 1 without a script
Low Slots : 3 x Heat Sink II 2 x Tracking Enhancer II
Rigs: 1 x Energy Locus Coordinator I ( optimal range rig ) 2 x Semiconductor Memory Cell I ( + max cap rig )
Additional modules required : 1 x Valium pill 1 x Glass of water
This setup is for high and lowsec empire sniping. Taking it to 0.0 or fleetbattles will probably get you killed. The ship has - Damage , Range , Tracking , Locking speed - everything that defines a good sniper. You need - Brains , Preparation - in order not to lose it. Now in case you do lose it - take valium pill , drink water. IMPORTANT : Do NOT mix with alcohol !
To answer your questions :
1. No , you don't need cap booster . With this setup you can fire for over 6 minutes before you run out of cap. If you haven't killed your target by then - warp out. 2. Yes , Paladin is worse than a Nightmare for sniping. The Nightmare simply has better bonuses and better slot positioning. With the Trinity changes you need more sensor boosters and tracking computers. The Paladin only has 4 med slots. 3. If you have the money , go ahead and buy the best faction/officer modules you can find ( no faction guns though - you need tech II ) . Just make sure you can fit them and add an extra valium pill. Atm the cheapest Nightmare on the market costs 1,2 bil.
Best of luck, Kyle Frost |
Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.19 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Shadowsword on 19/12/2007 10:03:59 A tracking enhancer is now better than a tracking computer. Thus a Paladin is better than a Nighmare.
It also overheat a bit longer. ------------------------------------------
What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs. |
Kyle Frost
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.19 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword Edited by: Shadowsword on 19/12/2007 10:03:59 A tracking enhancer is now better than a tracking computer. Thus a Paladin is better than a Nighmare.
It also overheat a bit longer.
*Shakes head* 3 tracking enhancers give you less than 20% tracking. 2 tracking computers get you over 50% tracking. On the Nightmare you use 2 tracking enhancers and a rig to get enough range on your guns. Any additional optimal range modules are close to useless. The Paladin can be a killer short range boat , but a sniper - i don't think so. |
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Dheorl
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.19 13:57:00 -
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WTS abaddon for 1.5bil... problem solved.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.19 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Frost
Originally by: Shadowsword Edited by: Shadowsword on 19/12/2007 10:03:59 A tracking enhancer is now better than a tracking computer. Thus a Paladin is better than a Nighmare.
It also overheat a bit longer.
*Shakes head* 3 tracking enhancers give you less than 20% tracking. 2 tracking computers get you over 50% tracking. On the Nightmare you use 2 tracking enhancers and a rig to get enough range on your guns. Any additional optimal range modules are close to useless. The Paladin can be a killer short range boat , but a sniper - i don't think so.
*sigh*
Snipers, espescially laser users, don't care much for tracking, they fit tracking mods for the optimal bonus. For sniping, tracking enhancers are better than tracking computers. ------------------------------------------
What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs. |
Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.19 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 19/12/2007 15:55:48
Originally by: Dheorl WTS abaddon for 1.5bil... problem solved.
You know, the first Abaddon sold for 1.5bil.
Anyhow, as someone who flys Nightmares in pvp, these things are actually damm good. They really are balanced with other races and do not suffer from the crap that is usually associated with Amarr laser ships (just check my stats on bob killboard if you need to confirm if I am a competent laser user)
I set mine up for pvp, so I carry two setups. A megapulse setup in cargo, which i can switch to if need be, and also a sniper.
FOr the sniper, I use 4 tach, 2 utility slots free for whatever (smartbombs etc)
Mids are 100mn MWD, 3 Tracking comps (2 with optimal Range), 2 Sensor booster(1 with range), heavy cap booster (Dont really need the 3rd Tracking comp, eccm may be an option, but laser tracking and range is crap so 161km Optimal for me with 3 comps)
Low's, I use DCII, PDU II, 2 Heatsink/Plate or 3rd Heatsink
Of course, such a setup does 1024dps with Amarr navy multi's theoretically if someone has max skills, and most Amarr pilots like myself usually have Max Skills :) --
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Ricar
Society for the Preservation of Professors
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Posted - 2007.12.19 23:20:00 -
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Thanks everyone for replying. Seems like it's gonna be Nightmare :)
The setup I have in mind is very similar to the last one posted. So be it.
1.5b for a ship-fit-rigs :) seems fun.
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