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Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2007.12.21 15:43:00 - [61] New Torps = win Ravens were hardly ever good solo pwn machines, now they can perfectly do what they are supposed to do. Warp in at 22km and shoot the hell out of your enemy, while tanking like there is no tomorrow Public Noobism
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.12.21 16:03:00 - [62] Originally by: Hanover Fists why have torpedos been nerfed so bad?? 6sec flight time with 1500m/s flight time b4 skills? for those who cant add thats only 9000m try using blasters, then come and ***** about how bad torps are. At least the new torps can hit out past 15km. You now have the highest DPS of all the BS's. Oh wait, pvp isnt what you're after, nvm. HINT CRUISE MISSILES ARE STILL IN EXISTENCE!
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.12.21 16:40:00 - [63] Originally by: Yer Buddy Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Yer Buddy it is a torpedo NERF, people! you realistically can't take the raven into 0.0 ratting anymore. for pvp, you have to sacrifice all the 5 low slots (and your tank!) to nano it in order to get into range. even if you are within range, another tanked battleship will whipe you out before you can break his tank. you will need BS 5 and bombardment 5 to even have a chance with torps. that exlcudes, oh, i dont know, 95% of the raven pilots! and lets see what happens when you engage something within range. at 5 seconds RoF it will look silly to have all these huge explosions and not being able to hit an interceptor, for example. Makes me wonder how those blastermega pilots survive,,, because they have 7 low slots and a better tank to begin with so you can nano them and armor tank them as well while the 4 mid slots have your mwd, cap recharger, web and scrambler. BWaahhahahahaahha!... You win the forums today buddy. ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.12.21 17:01:00 - [64] Originally by: Yer Buddy Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Yer Buddy um, no, it's a nerf....what are you supposed to do with a raven and a 15km torpedo range. nano it and mwd toward your target? this nerf was intended to hinder ratting and mission running and complexes by lowering the isk-per hour. it sucks. so much for 0.0 ratting tripple 1.85 battleship spawns with a trusty torpedo raven. Whine whine whine. I hit L4's just after the supposed 'nerf' where Ravens have been deemed useless now and I built a cruiseboat. I have 84km range and my missiles do just fine tanking down battleships. Hasn't slowed down my mission running one bit. what? whine? son, don't tell me it has not slowed you down because doing level 2, 3, and 4 missions is chump change compared to chain ratting tripple 1.85m battleship spawns...especially in isk per hour. Hey buddy, you said it yourself. Lets get a replay shall we. Originally by: Yer Buddy this nerf was intended to hinder ratting and mission running Yessir he did say that missiion running was hindered due to the torp nerf. And I'm telling you bull****. Using a cruiseboat has not slowed me down one bit. And don't even think about trying to say that 1.85 ships area different league cause I tank those with my drake and all they carry are heavies. How bout that Jack?
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.12.21 17:04:00 - [65] Originally by: Qui Shon Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Yer Buddy um, no, it's a nerf....what are you supposed to do with a raven and a 15km torpedo range. nano it and mwd toward your target? this nerf was intended to hinder ratting and mission running and complexes by lowering the isk-per hour. it sucks. so much for 0.0 ratting tripple 1.85 battleship spawns with a trusty torpedo raven. Whine whine whine. I hit L4's just after the supposed 'nerf' where Ravens have been deemed useless now and I built a cruiseboat. I have 84km range and my missiles do just fine tanking down battleships. Hasn't slowed down my mission running one bit. That's because you never got up to speed. Or maybe I know how to fly my bird.
Xroxor Minmatar Marines	Posted - 2007.12.21 18:04:00 - [66] It just mind boggling as to why a cruise missile can fly within earthÆs gravity for 2414.016 kilometers and within the EvE vacuum of space can only reach approx 100km. It appears that future engineers are IDIOTS!
Taloic Caldari Black Watch Regiment New Eden Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.21 18:22:00 - [67] Or do like some of us who have the skills do. Fly a Nighthawk with T2, Caldari Navy and Dread Gurista fittings. Pros. Better Tank then a Golum and its passive. 85km range on heavy missles 75 km lockrange. 4.77 sec refire rate very comperable DPS missle wise against the Golums cruise launchers because of commandship bonuses. Though Med drones on a BS give it an edge there; of course in a Nighthawk you can pop frigs and cruisers without needing drones or a target painter to do it for you. Best yet the ship and modules cost just 300 mil more then a CNR or Golum and less then the high isk modules like the Gist C-type XL I have on my CNR. Con very skill intensive.
SheriffFruitfly Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.12.21 18:31:00 - [68] (shrug) All it means to me is that ccp wanted to take torps out of the game. Which they have - I fly an all-cruise cnr now. It's kinda ****ish for ccp to do that, imo, but whatever - it's their game. Me & my friends just won't use torps.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.21 20:23:00 - [69] Originally by: Xroxor It just mind boggling as to why a cruise missile can fly within earthÆs gravity for 2414.016 kilometers and within the EvE vacuum of space can only reach approx 100km. It appears that future engineers are IDIOTS! Taking around 1 hour, using wings and rudder to steer instead of needing to accelerate in a different direction, going against a stationary target, ecc. ecc. Instead of moder cruise missile you should look the air to air missiles. Those are the equivalent of EVE missiles. Our missiles are build to accelerate fast and tun on a dime, not to fly for an extended time.
Sexy Offender Slaves on Dope	Posted - 2007.12.21 20:27:00 - [70] Originally by: Yer Buddy um, no, it's a nerf....what are you supposed to do with a raven and a 15km torpedo range. nano it and mwd toward your target? this nerf was intended to hinder ratting and mission running and complexes by lowering the isk-per hour. it sucks. so much for 0.0 ratting tripple 1.85 battleship spawns with a trusty torpedo raven. Kinda what I thought at first. Switch to Cruise and you're good...
Westly Synpa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.21 20:31:00 - [71] ITs very very very annoying to have torps be totally useless for pos shooting now a raven is totally useless for these events cruise missiles just dont have enough firepower to warrant the use.
coldplasma Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.21 21:43:00 - [72] Anyone who can't figure out how to use cruise missiles for ratting instead of torps doesn't deserve to be in a Raven. _________________
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.22 02:59:00 - [73] Originally by: Westly Synpa ITs very very very annoying to have torps be totally useless for pos shooting now a raven is totally useless for these events cruise missiles just dont have enough firepower to warrant the use. Well I'd imagine that you would have to bring some Dreads along to pop a pos shield then.. Oh wait your the Goons so no capitol fleet for you.. nvm Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Union Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.22 03:04:00 - [74] They've been made less effective for PVE b/c of their newly limited range, however they've been boosted dramaticly for close range PVP. -- Talking in Circles is more dizzying than walking in them... Tralala
Thicky McThick	Posted - 2007.12.22 04:11:00 - [75] Edited by: Thicky McThick on 22/12/2007 04:12:12 Well spare head 2 , did they nerf the torps, why yes indeed they did spare head 3 , how did you know? Might have been this thread, smeg head. Post with your Alt and not your Main, 'cos I don't care about your Name.
F90OEX	Posted - 2007.12.22 05:15:00 - [76] ( in Red) Torps are useless Don't waste your time training for them
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.22 07:15:00 - [77] Actually your right.. Torps are Teh Suxxorz.. Nothing to see here.. Move along.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2007.12.22 09:22:00 - [78] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Yer Buddy um, no, it's a nerf....what are you supposed to do with a raven and a 15km torpedo range. nano it and mwd toward your target? What are you supposed to do with a Megathron with Blaster range, Nano it and mwd toward your target? Try adapting instead of whining. Yet, even the Megathron moves faster than the Raven. When we Caldari Build ships the Engine is the last thing we put it...We Know it is supposed to be in there somewhere, but it is alright if we use something we found from an Industrail scrapheap right? I mean...How important is speed when it really comes down to it anyway? +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o
Altterra	Posted - 2007.12.22 12:15:00 - [79] Torps are crap, don't use them, especially not in close-range PvP! They are severely underpowered! If you use them you are a noob! that should make sure i never meet a torpraven up close... because DAMN the thing will outtank and outgank anything but the best of ships.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.22 13:13:00 - [80] omg teh nurfd zte trops!
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.22 13:14:00 - [81] and: can i have your torps?
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.22 13:19:00 - [82] Originally by: ZerKar Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Yer Buddy um, no, it's a nerf....what are you supposed to do with a raven and a 15km torpedo range. nano it and mwd toward your target? What are you supposed to do with a Megathron with Blaster range, Nano it and mwd toward your target? Try adapting instead of whining. Yet, even the Megathron moves faster than the Raven. When we Caldari Build ships the Engine is the last thing we put it...We Know it is supposed to be in there somewhere, but it is alright if we use something we found from an Industrail scrapheap right? I mean...How important is speed when it really comes down to it anyway? Yeah I mean what Megathron fits armor plates? We just fit speed mods in our lows. --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.12.22 13:52:00 - [83] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 22/12/2007 13:52:08 Originally by: Caligulus True, but all Caldari ships are gimped at PvP thanks to MWDs, disruptors, webifiers being mid slot dependent. An armor tanker can still fit a full tank while a Caldari Raven will have to forgo 75% of a tank to compete. Armour tanker has to forego Gyrostabs / Magstabs if he's going full tank. Raven can fit a ton of BCUs and a DC II and just gank the living hell out of anything. Ever flown a four-magstab neutron II thorax? Well, something along those lines ;) Rifters!
Taloic Caldari Black Watch Regiment New Eden Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.22 17:22:00 - [84] Torps are still viable for PvE just at a 60km range and you need a Painter. So cruise are superiour now in PvE. PvP fit torps warp your Raven in and let them feel the pain at 30KM * 45 with riggings *. That is anything but a nerf. I have fit my CNR with 7 Seige 2's fireing Javs and the damage is equal to preboost trop damage. But the new explosion velocity on torps means you need a Painter to make them effective on a cruiser or battlecruiser. But even with insane upgrade skills like adv weapons upgrade 5 its a tight fit and dropping a mid slot for a Painter drops my tank alot. So I went to the Nighthawk still a tight fit for 6 caldari heavys, full tank, and rigs I have .5 pwr grid left but its a beast with the 3 BCU's. 407dps with standard heavies and 466 dps with Faction heavies. My CNR with Caldari Cruise and Faction cruise has a 507 DPS With 7 Seiges and Javs IS 636 DPS but then again you need a painter with torps now for anything with a lower hull then a BS. Golums 495 Faction Cruise and 631 Javs but you get your Painter and it has a bonus.
NAFnist Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.12.22 17:42:00 - [85] Torpedoes are permanerfed untill the day ccp make them launch out of the front of the ship as they did in the old days. -
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.24 20:58:00 - [86] Originally by: Hanover Fists why have torpedos been nerfed so bad?? 6sec flight time with 1500m/s flight time b4 skills? for those who cant add thats only 9000m have you seen their damage when they do hit? think t2 rockets Trashed sig, Shark was here
IHaveTenFingers Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.12.24 21:22:00 - [87] Originally by: Hanover Fists ok, so I must be dense, /me agrees! -TF
Alexis Machine Minmatar Ceraphite Technologies	Posted - 2007.12.24 21:28:00 - [88] Take it easy Charlie. I've got an angle.
HawkeyePierced	Posted - 2007.12.25 03:51:00 - [89] If this is a torpedo change... why do the torpedoes of the enemy still have the higher range?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.25 04:02:00 - [90] Originally by: HawkeyePierced If this is a torpedo change... why do the torpedoes of the enemy still have the higher range? The new siege launchers have to compensate for the higher refire rate with torps that have a smaller and 'cooler' running engine to keep the bays from melting.. The Pirate factions prefered to keep the long range version hence the current diffrerence.. Solution for players wanting the long range but lower dps torps: Make siege launchers able to use scripts that let a player choose long or short range.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.

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