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omiNATION
Gallente Vanguard of the Ouroboros Nation
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Posted - 2007.12.21 21:59:00 -
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Here's hypothetical.
All other covert ops gets 3 high slots
Can fit: Covert Ops Cloak Covert Cyno Generator Recon Probe Launcher
Your setup is completely gimped, possible support with best named/faction gear, but honestly, you're running point recon, who cares.
Is this setup useful enough that I should care or just STFU and train Caldari lvl 5 anyways since it's only 10 days plus the entire Gallente recon line is fubared anyway?
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.21 22:00:00 -
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CCP Zulupark said (in the live devblog) that the Helios can fit all three at the same time. He even went so far as to say there wasn't a problem.
You aren't calling him a liar are you? ;-)
-Liang -- I give up (Make me say whatever you want!): Price Check: Liang Nuren
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.12.21 22:02:00 -
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Helios gets a drone. Seen folks kill many an industrial in helios. Not all ships in a specified class perform identical secondary roles.
Originally by: Death Kill Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.21 22:02:00 -
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Well, that just means you have to choose one role - are you there to scan people out or are you there to create covert cyno fields? Or do both and forgo the cloak.
But I'll be happy to take that Helios off your hands. ---------------- Tarminic - 30 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.76.2 |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.12.21 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren CCP Zulupark said (in the live devblog) that the Helios can fit all three at the same time. He even went so far as to say there wasn't a problem.
You aren't calling him a liar are you? ;-)
-Liang
If you actually listened to the Dev Blog....
At first they thought the question was "The Helios can't fit a Probe Launcher and a Cloak".....which of course, it can. Then they found out the question was it can't fit a Cloak, Cyno, and Probe Launcher. Which they said, they will look at.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Malken
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.21 22:26:00 -
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well.... if they get 3 highslots then shouldnt the others get dronebays on their coverts then?
its the helios drawback that it only has 2 highs live with it and plan accordingly or train something else tbh.
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.12.21 22:34:00 -
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helios drone bay is totally uber nerf the helios *whine*
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Brixer
Dai Dai Hai
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Posted - 2007.12.21 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: Brixer on 21/12/2007 23:16:41 This have been brought to their attention 2 months ago, waaay before the new ships was finalized: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=621977&page=6
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.22 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 22/12/2007 00:05:19
Originally by: Malken well.... if they get 3 highslots then shouldnt the others get dronebays on their coverts then?
its the helios drawback that it only has 2 highs live with it and plan accordingly or train something else tbh.
actually, comparing to the caldari cov ops, wich is the one that has almost the same configuration in terms of slots, the helios trades a high slot for a low slot.
"looking into it" might be basically moving that low to a high, or moving one of the 5 meds to a high.
oh and wtf at the drone bay. a ship that gets a drone damage bonus and can only field ONE LIGHT drone.
not saying that it's imba or anything like that. it's just that... it feels wrong somehow ---
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Franga
NQX Innovations Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.22 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: omiNATION Is this setup useful enough that I should care or just STFU and train Caldari lvl 5 anyways since it's only 10 days plus the entire Gallente recon line is fubared anyway?
Cleverly disguised rant and yes, do the part I've made bold. Your words, not mine. _____________________________
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.22 00:19:00 -
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Even though this issue ****es me off I still think it is better that ships of different races are different, than that they are all the same... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
DJ P
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Posted - 2007.12.22 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus Even though this issue ****es me off I still think it is better that ships of different races are different, than that they are all the same...
Amen.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.12.22 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus Even though this issue ****es me off I still think it is better that ships of different races are different, than that they are all the same...
Indeed.
Although I agree with Grimmy that a ship with a drone bonus of one single drone is a little... disturbing.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Xaen
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.22 06:18:00 -
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The helios is unique in that it cannot physically use all of it's bonuses at once.
Do you often need all of them in one outing? No.
Would it be nice to have access to all of them? Yes.
And to hell with the drone bonus. I'd trade the done bay for a high slot.
Until then, I'll fly a different covops. -- Support fixing the EVE UI | Suggest Jita fixes
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.22 07:27:00 -
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I thought the Amarr were the ones who were responsible for maintaining the 'not as good but at least its not the same as everything else' ship lineup? -
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.12.22 07:33:00 -
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WTF I want to know is why the hell do cov ops get weapon bonuses?!
Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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Shadow Ballet
OffBeat Creations The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.22 14:05:00 -
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At least the Helios doesn't have such atrocious fitting troubles as, if not all cov-ops, at least the Cheetah.
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Karma
Gallente Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.22 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn I thought the Amarr were the ones who were responsible for maintaining the 'not as good but at least its not the same as everything else' ship lineup?
they certainly do! but... isn't that phrase rather redundant? it'd be kind of hard to be not as good, and the same as everything else, at the same time ;)
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Morrigu Storm
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.12.22 16:07:00 -
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I'd like to see a mid-slot taken and replaced with the missing hi-slot.
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Doppler Shift
Red 42
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:37:00 -
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Quit complaining - Helios is a fine ship, there are 3 other covops available if what you want is 3 high slots. Helios offers a drone and nifty EW potential to go with its 2 highs. There's no rule against training multiple races' ships if you want different capability options.
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Kernite Girl
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Posted - 2007.12.23 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Doppler Shift Quit complaining - Helios is a fine ship, there are 3 other covops available if what you want is 3 high slots. Helios offers a drone and nifty EW potential to go with its 2 highs. There's no rule against training multiple races' ships if you want different capability options.
There is a personal rule you cannot crosstrain if you want to specialise in only 1 race.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.24 00:41:00 -
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Seeeeesh you guys can have my helios dronebay anyday...
I want a third highslot for 2 reasons;
1. PVP Covert Ops Cloak Covert Cyno Generator Recon Probe Launcher
2. Exploration Covert Ops Cloak Scan Probe Launcher Salvager (for arcsal sites) - - -
Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.24 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: LUH 3471 helios drone bay is totally uber nerf the helios *whine*
/signed That small drone makes all the difference. --
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.12.24 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: LUH 3471 helios drone bay is totally uber nerf the helios *whine*
/signed That small drone makes all the difference.
You forgot the [sarcasm] tag..
Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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Phyrr
Minmatar The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.12.24 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Phyrr on 24/12/2007 08:45:35
Originally by: DrAtomic Seeeeesh you guys can have my helios dronebay anyday...
I (CCP is not in the habit of meeting the demands of the individual) want a third highslot for 2 reasons;
1. PVP Covert Ops Cloak Covert Cyno Generator Recon Probe Launcher
2. Exploration Covert Ops Cloak Scan Probe Launcher Salvager (for arcsal sites)
Erm, being a veteran explorer I gotta ask how you manage to tank the rats in covert ops while salvaging arch sites.......I guess you'd need that drone for those high sec rats eh? Any site lower than a 0.6 should not have a covert ops in it unless it's to make a bookmark. If you disagree come ask my channel Explorations the name.
Helios has 2 high slots, deal with it.
The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty. |
Nova Fox
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Posted - 2007.12.24 08:52:00 -
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Screw the high slot I want moar drones! Remove the gun bonus, give it another drone one and at least secondary waves cmon cerondon where is your drone pride? Eos needs a drone buff and gun nerf as well.
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Phyrr
Minmatar The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.12.24 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox Screw the high slot I want moar drones! Remove the gun bonus, give it another drone one and at least secondary waves cmon cerondon where is your drone pride? Eos needs a drone buff and gun nerf as well.
I support this.
The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty. |
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