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Mara Mrtyu
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Posted - 2007.12.23 07:03:00 -
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I lit my first cyno today, and killed a carrier. Sort of.
IÆve been playing eve for about two-and-a-half months. I started mining, but that was boring. I ran some level 1 missions, until I was targeting the rats by memory from the last time I ran the mission. I tried salvaging after other players (with their blessing). I even anchored a moon mining POS, using GTC-bought ISK.
Then, I learned about piracy, and realized eve could be fun. I started flying a tackling myrm in front of the sentries.
Earlier this week, I bought a character. I wanted to use bigger ships, and use them well. I noticed he had Electronics V, and IÆve always dreamed of being a cap-ship pilot, so I trained him in cyno field theory. I figure opening a cyno is as close as IÆll get to flying a titan for a while. Little did I know how handy my choice to train a useless (to me, right now) skill would be today.
I was hanging out in Decon, with Death of Virtue, and some guy came into local. He was asking if anyone could light a cyno for him. After checking with my mates, to see if there was a way that could be fun, I volunteered. Within minutes, I was ganged.
The guy left the system, to go get his ship.
I continued to chat him up, finding out about what he wanted to jump. I learned it was a carrier. I shared my (genuine) desire to fly something like that one day.
I asked what kind of carrier it was. Making conversation. It was Caldari.
Damage types were selected and loadouts completed.
I asked if he could pay for the fuel cost of the cyno, and whatever he felt it was worth. He agreed.
While he was still flying to get his carrier, I setup a safespot to open the field in and a cheap frigate to do it with. I also told all of my friends.
By the time he was ready for me to open the field, my friends had a fleet of several battleships and a dreadnaught equally ready.
I opened the cyno, and called it on vent, not that a cyno needs any calling. Everyone warped in on top of it. The carrier arrived moments later.
I can only imagine what the pilot thought when he saw he was 4AU from the station, in a safespot, and surrounded by all those blinking red ships. He cloaked pretty fast.
We began to sweep the area, uncloaked him, and tackled. The battleships got neutralizers and scrams on him. One of them scanned to make sure he didnÆt have a cyno before we brought out the dread. I left the gang so no other ships could jump in behind him.
Before long, there was a sieged dread on top of him, not to mention our battleship fleet.
He didnÆt field any fighters, so I brought out the tackling myrm, put another point of scram on him, and sicced Vespa I drones on him. It was more of a gesture than combat, but I wanted a few damage points for myself on the killmail. My new character was still sitting in a frig, waiting for the cyno to expire, so I couldnÆt fly anything bigger.
The carrier pilot knew we were going to win. We offered to ransom. He refused. He ôdoes not negotiate with pirates.ö
We would have honored a ransom if he had payed it. We always honor ransoms, though we rarely offer them on anything bigger than a pod. We like killmails.
I donÆt know why he didnÆt pay. Principal, I guess. I mean, maybe he didnÆt trust us to honor the ransom. After all, we were kind enough to light the cyno that got him into the mess in the first place.
Instead of paying the ransom, he did something rather unimaginable. He enabled self-destruct on his ship. A carrier.
My cyno expired, and I raced to get my raven and send a few dozen torps at him before the 120 seconds passed and his ship destroyed itself. We wanted the killmail very badly.
I made it back in time to see a carrier explode.
In the end, he died and we looted his wreck. We did kill him, in that we forced his suicide, and we had secured victory with a good plan before the battle began. (I canÆt take credit for that. It wasnÆt my plan.)
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Mara Mrtyu
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Posted - 2007.12.23 07:03:00 -
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We did not, however, get that carrier killmail we all wanted. We would have killed him, and he knew it. We had him beat.
My mates were annoyed he blew his own ship up. They thought he should have held on, clinging to a futile hope he could get away. They wanted the satisfaction of the kill.
I rather respect him for scuttling his own ship. It strikes me as an honorable act. Like the samurai, he chose to perform seppuku in the face of defeat. Besides, the kill was the one thing he could take from an opponent that had otherwise won.
After he saved his pod (I did try to lock it), he sent me 1m ISK for the cyno, and wished me good hunting. He paid me. For the cyno.
I guess it was his way to keep his honor intact. I respect him for that, even if I donÆt understand why he sent payment for getting creamed.
I also rejoice for taking part in my first cap ship kill as a pirate. It was fun.
Now, IÆm off to try to find something worth suicide ganking in a t2 fitted torp raven. Because it sounded like a good idea at the time.
Peace, Mara Mrtyu
P.S. Sorry this thread became so long. I figured it was a story worth telling, though.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.23 07:08:00 -
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Overly trusting carrier pilots? I wish I could find one ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :) |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.23 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
Overly trusting carrier pilots? I wish I could find one
seriously
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6Bagheera9
Slacker Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.23 08:24:00 -
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Never underestimate the extend of human stupidity. For every genius there is always some moron who works tireless to bring down the average.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.23 08:25:00 -
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Wow, nice kill.... ;-)
-Liang -- I give up (Make me say whatever you want!): Price Check: Liang Nuren
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.12.23 08:32:00 -
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Bastard self destructed. Had a few officer neuts and stuff fitted (again, ship scanned for cynos heh). Self destruct should just be banned from cap ships.
Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I |
franny
Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.23 08:41:00 -
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Albert Einstein: Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.
that about sums it up... letting a stranger who you just asked in local to open a cyno!
self destructing too
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.23 08:50:00 -
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Well written chronicle of a worthy subject, for a young pilot that's really lucky that you got involved with not only the right people but also found a carrier pilot stupid enough to jump his capital to a stranger. Good stuff. ------------------------------------------ I see all the Young Believers, your target audience... And I see all the Old Deceivers...We all just sing their song! |
animal man
Gallente Cursed Souls Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.23 09:13:00 -
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I miss Decon :( Hanging with bell and the boys! Last carriers i remember in there is when the Moon Rabbit Council jumped a few in on us along with a few support ships (and strangely 2 obelisks ) Although largely outnumbered, we still gave them a big whack in the face with a wet fish :D
Shame on the self destruct
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angient
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.12.23 09:16:00 -
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I was there. But no officer neuts survived :(
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Durzel
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Posted - 2007.12.23 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Mrtyu We did not, however, get that carrier killmail we all wanted. We would have killed him, and he knew it. We had him beat.
My mates were annoyed he blew his own ship up. They thought he should have held on, clinging to a futile hope he could get away. They wanted the satisfaction of the kill.
I don't understand the logic of wanting someone to "hang onto a futile hope", maybe someone can explain it to me. Surely the whole purpose of self-destruct is to be a last act of defiance against aggressors, sounds to me like the guy wanted the last laugh and got it.
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Tzar'rim
Minmatar Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2007.12.23 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel
Originally by: Mara Mrtyu We did not, however, get that carrier killmail we all wanted. We would have killed him, and he knew it. We had him beat.
My mates were annoyed he blew his own ship up. They thought he should have held on, clinging to a futile hope he could get away. They wanted the satisfaction of the kill.
I don't understand the logic of wanting someone to "hang onto a futile hope", maybe someone can explain it to me. Surely the whole purpose of self-destruct is to be a last act of defiance against aggressors, sounds to me like the guy wanted the last laugh and got it.
Exactly, but killmail hungry people will come up with any reasoning not to, just like young kids trying to persuade their mommy to get another cookie. It's like they want to impose THEIR ways of playing onto others.. you know, like carebears.
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Apirates Lifeforme
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.23 10:01:00 -
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well first off congrats on trapping down a carrier and killing / making the guy blow it up.
second, i'll stick around and fight in a ship till i see a pretty effect weather be my own or not. Mostly to find out what the ship is capable of taking out before popping itself. Just recently I went head to head against a Demios in a rifter (yes i went into the fight knowing i was going to pop) but I didn't all of a sudden go "oh no I can't win this, blow the ship up :P no kill for you" No I stuck around till the very end and truthfully I think I did good to get him down to 10% shields left before he popped my poor lil rifter. ------------------------------------------
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We pillage, we plunder, we rifle, and loot, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. We kidnap and ravage and don't gi |
Blade Slinger
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Posted - 2007.12.23 10:12:00 -
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Foolish carrier pilot to trust blindly. It's like he was tired of the ship and was looking for an interesting way to lose it.
Silly carrier pilot to pay for something he did not, in fact, receive. He agreed to pay for a particular cyno and was given a cyno to someplace else.
Smart carrier pilot to pay no ransom when there's no guarantee of results. Besides, pirates should not be paid on general principal. Pirates should get a job.
Proper carrier pilot to destroy ship himself rather than let her fall to others for their kill thrill. I wish the self destruct was faster, instant would be good, and that it completely destroyed everything leaving the pirates with nothing. I'm vindictive that way.
Excellent pirate to set up an interesting trap.
Good story. A cut above the regular.
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sneakybustard
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Posted - 2007.12.23 10:54:00 -
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i see carrier pilot had good sportsmanship and also honour. that honour i cant say backstabbing pirates to have..
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Vrabac
Amarr BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2007.12.23 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Apirates Lifeforme Just recently I went head to head against a Demios in a rifter (yes i went into the fight knowing i was going to pop) but I didn't all of a sudden go "oh no I can't win this, blow the ship up :P no kill for you" No I stuck around till the very end and truthfully I think I did good to get him down to 10% shields left before he popped my poor lil rifter.
You cant compare slow dying carrier costing billions to your little t1 frig that instapops and doesnt allow you do consider selfdestruct as an option at all. That was the only smart thing the guy in this story did.
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Apirates Lifeforme
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.23 11:32:00 -
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getting a T2 cruiser down to 10% shields LEFT, with a T1 fitted Rifter. I don't call that insta popping. so i'm pretty sure i had plenty of time to self destruct if i had wanted too. but I didn't.
If you don't like that example i'll switch to my mission***** setup which was ganked. An apoc with mostly T2 fit with deadspace armor hardeners. (don't remember exact number) but around 5 people on gate camp locked me down. I had the choice of trying to run back to gate and jump back to high sec and wait for the campers to leave or just try and take as many down as i could. I stood and fought to the end. Once again I could have hit the self destruct button and kept them from having a kill mail but that thought never crossed my mind.
Another example would have to be my ratter setup abaddon which i'll admit didn't take long for two gank setup battleships to take down, I saw them jump into local (0.0 at time) and I knew I was too far out and not lined up for warp to safe spots (my mistake again which I learned from) yet once they entered local and I knew I was misaligned I could have started the counter than but did I, no, once again thought never crossed my mind.
Simple solution here, stand and fight, it'll be better in the long run and you might just learn something useful for the next time around.
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Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We pillage, we plunder, we rifle, and loot, We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot. |
Jean Douvoir
Gallente Deviously Cunning and Sly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.23 11:32:00 -
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This
Quote: I was hanging out in Decon, with Death of Virtue, and some guy came into local. He was asking if anyone could light a cyno for him.
Hahaha. That is all.
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Elias West
KULT Production Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.23 11:39:00 -
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selfdestruct is so unsportsmanlike and lame. if one is stupid enough to get caught in a trap then at least he should be so sporty as to grant his oponents the killmail.
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Death4free
Caldari R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.23 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: Death4free on 23/12/2007 11:48:01 hahah great job you strange little man
try and play eve like the rest of us and plz for gods sake dont buy isk and characters learn how to play eve like the rest of us did
edit: no im not the carriers alt so stfu i just rly hate ppl that buy their way into eve
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Vrabac
Amarr BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2007.12.23 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Vrabac on 23/12/2007 12:01:02
Originally by: Apirates Lifeforme getting a T2 cruiser down to 10% shields LEFT, with a T1 fitted Rifter. I don't call that insta popping. so i'm pretty sure i had plenty of time to self destruct if i had wanted too. but I didn't.
If you don't like that example i'll switch to my mission***** setup which was ganked. An apoc with mostly T2 fit with deadspace armor hardeners. (don't remember exact number) but around 5 people on gate camp locked me down. I had the choice of trying to run back to gate and jump back to high sec and wait for the campers to leave or just try and take as many down as i could. I stood and fought to the end. Once again I could have hit the self destruct button and kept them from having a kill mail but that thought never crossed my mind.
Another example would have to be my ratter setup abaddon which i'll admit didn't take long for two gank setup battleships to take down, I saw them jump into local (0.0 at time) and I knew I was too far out and not lined up for warp to safe spots (my mistake again which I learned from) yet once they entered local and I knew I was misaligned I could have started the counter than but did I, no, once again thought never crossed my mind.
Simple solution here, stand and fight, it'll be better in the long run and you might just learn something useful for the next time around.
Ok so you flying a rifter in first example, apoc with deadspace hardeners and from your own words choice what do to and FIGHTING to the end (you werent jammed and damped to hell were you?) or abaddon in which you simply got caught ratting in the belt have what to do with carrier? What do you think rest of us press self destruct in every BS we get caught in in desparate conditions?
Yeah I was once caught in a safespot by a recon/dictor/inti gang, total 5 of them, took them some 10 minutes to kill my em/thermal tanked abaddon, but it's still just an abaddon... Later it occured to me I could have self destructed (they really dont deserve the killmail tbh, shooting explosive and kinetic into em/thermal tanked ship for so long with no effect was pretty sad) but it never occured to me during the fight because when you fight you fight and think of fighting.
The guy was, judging by the story, being killed for a long time. He didnt activate self destruct at the start from what OP said. He did it when he figured there is no more hope of winning (and it seems he actually waited with this conclusion despite the fact he obviously had no chance from the start), and it's his right to do. Why give someone your loot if you can avoid it? What, did he owe something to any of them? You have a choice, get killed normally and give them random part of your as it seems very expensive fit, or use perfectly legitimate way of denying the victors as much as you can.
Oh, and reduce the amount of e-honor and e-bushido pls.
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Durzel
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Posted - 2007.12.23 12:31:00 -
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I'm confused, am I supposed to admire people who stand and fight in battles they have no hope of winning - just because they figure they're obliged to? I don't buy into that at all - I don't see someone self-destructing as a last act of defiance any different than docking, warping out or doing anything else to prevent the inevitable (or at least mitigate the disaster).
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Rellik B00n
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.23 14:02:00 -
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nicely written little story
as far as it goes i would have hit the self-destruct too. Not least because you can also cancel it, giving you 90-105 seconds to decide if u can win or not.
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BigDave
Saturdays Sundays and Nights
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Posted - 2007.12.23 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Apirates Lifeforme getting a T2 cruiser down to 10% shields LEFT, with a T1 fitted Rifter. I don't call that insta popping. so i'm pretty sure i had plenty of time to self destruct if i had wanted too. but I didn't.
If you don't like that example i'll switch to my mission***** setup which was ganked. An apoc with mostly T2 fit with deadspace armor hardeners. (don't remember exact number) but around 5 people on gate camp locked me down. I had the choice of trying to run back to gate and jump back to high sec and wait for the campers to leave or just try and take as many down as i could. I stood and fought to the end. Once again I could have hit the self destruct button and kept them from having a kill mail but that thought never crossed my mind.
Another example would have to be my ratter setup abaddon which i'll admit didn't take long for two gank setup battleships to take down, I saw them jump into local (0.0 at time) and I knew I was too far out and not lined up for warp to safe spots (my mistake again which I learned from) yet once they entered local and I knew I was misaligned I could have started the counter than but did I, no, once again thought never crossed my mind.
Simple solution here, stand and fight, it'll be better in the long run and you might just learn something useful for the next time around.
I never noticed shields on my Deimos before tbqfh... nothing impressive in ALMOST reaching the armor tank.
Props to all involved in the OP, nicely contrived trap and class behavior on everyone's part. That's the stuff that makes Eve fun.
----- Dang, signatures keep getting smaller and smaller, unless you count the bits where ISD colors outside the lines... |
ori16
Black Lotus Foundation Alpha Tauri
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Posted - 2007.12.23 19:12:00 -
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What a moron just asking for hes carrier to die. dosn't even now the dude and thats what happens when u don't have a cyno alt. MORON OF A CARRIER PILOT THERE FOLKS
BTW every1 have a every marry X-Mass ori16 |
Mara Mrtyu
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Posted - 2007.12.23 19:37:00 -
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On buying characters.
Originally by: Death4free try and play eve like the rest of us and plz for gods sake dont buy isk and characters learn how to play eve like the rest of us did
I think I'm learning eve pretty well. You can't buy what happend yesterday.
I can only ask you to judge my play based on my actions and on how well I play the game with the choices I make. SP has little to do with those choices, other than offering a vast array of additional options.
To play well as a noob with 34m SP is actually a lot harder than to play well 2m SP. There is a lot more to be confused about. One can make much more expensive mistakes.
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Ishido Hideyori
No Fear Buccaneers
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Posted - 2007.12.23 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Mrtyu On buying characters.
Originally by: Death4free try and play eve like the rest of us and plz for gods sake dont buy isk and characters learn how to play eve like the rest of us did
I think I'm learning eve pretty well. You can't buy what happend yesterday.
I can only ask you to judge my play based on my actions and on how well I play the game with the choices I make. SP has little to do with those choices, other than offering a vast array of additional options.
To play well as a noob with 34m SP is actually a lot harder than to play well 2m SP. There is a lot more to be confused about. One can make much more expensive mistakes.
Right, except those expensive mistakes don't mean anything because you just sold 10b worth of gtcs.
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Mara Mrtyu
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Posted - 2007.12.23 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ishido Hideyori Right, except those expensive mistakes don't mean anything because you just sold 10b worth of gtcs.
I think 10b worth of GTC comes out to more than $750.00 real-world dollars. That means a lot, to almost anyone.
Anyhow, I have started a thread about buying characters, so as to not side-track this thread.
It is a worthy discussion: Linkage
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Lithalnas
Amarr Headcrabs
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Posted - 2007.12.23 20:19:00 -
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no matter ow you slice it, forcing a cap ship to self destruct is a kill, just without the killmail. -------------
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